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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 9:03pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Candour: Gombs: datsal... 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:05pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Size is no measure of effectiveness nor righteousness. Islam is probably the fastest growing religion and they don't look to no foundation for constructing mosques. And here is where you err. Nobody claimed that ministry runs on hot air and faith; it costs money. But you would be schizophrenic to imagine that the raw and creative overdrive to part you from your money is powered by passion for the lost. You can't have the ends justifying the means. Fake a miracle here like Joagbaje? Many are turning to Christ as a result! David ate shewbread. oyaks indiscretions are drowned in the sea of millions of Rhapsodies distributed so far..glooooooory Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 9:57pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
shdemidemi: And the solution to this is to compromise the word to meet the needs of the church. Splendid! 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 10:56pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
Gombs: Gombs, I hope you are not losing it. Notice I did not say the Mosaic law did not have in it practices that may have been before it. When the Mosaic law came it became the yardstick for the spiritual life of those under it. To that extent it superseded what was before it. Those under it did not need to RESORT to going back to pre-law institutions to live their spiritual lives. So the NT believer today needs to understand what the New Covenant is all about so as to know what is required of him or not. So, coming back to tithing and the New Covenant believer; if he claims he is tithing according to its mention in the OT, the question then is what is the OT prescription for tithing and is the NT believer following it as stipulated there? If so how? If not exactly so, why? 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:42am On Nov 21, 2014 |
trustman: Bobo, no time for petty leagues and dragging with you fellas... I am gonna raise an online army, by his Spirit...there's alot of ground to conquer online... I've got NL covered, you may want to know I raised LambanoPeace and vivydoxa.... it's time to lock down the media with the message of the spirit, this gospel must be taken round more voraciously. I have a purpose here, a vision, I was not sent here to drag tithing and such with you all... it's time to mobilize all those my folks on NL. We've gotta take facebook, wordpress and for Christ. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 10:57am On Nov 21, 2014 |
Gombs:Bro..that's guys fixation is not only tithes o but eve sleeping with the serpent ask babagnoni his friend if na lie i lie. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by SirJohn(m): 11:00am On Nov 21, 2014 |
Folie des grandeurs Gombs: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 11:37am On Nov 21, 2014 |
SirJohn: Appelez ça comme vous voulez .... Je marche par son Esprit. Me citer dans l'avenir |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 11:40am On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: No mind trustman who sold his honesty for a morsel of amala. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 11:58am On Nov 21, 2014 |
Gombs:Hehehehe, more like a cup of garri and kulikuli. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 12:05pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Gombs: So because these things you mentioned ought to be done, u now mandate it abi What happened to an appeal, a minister who list's these activities before the brethren & tells them to give for it as they propose in their heart will have those things done The reason most people tithe is because of the fear factor!! Take that away, no one will pay tithe Did Paul not have ministry needs? How did he meet them? In Pauline epistles, what we have are collections for the poor & free will giving's, none was commanded or mandated. I keep asking if tithe is as important as it is being preached, why can't you find a direct scripture telling Christians to tithe? After all Paul was very knowledgeable in the law Before you send me to the gallows, check my stand on tithes, I wrote it on this thread!!! 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by SirJohn(m): 12:17pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Gombs: Oh croyez-moi que je vais... Surveillez cet espace ! 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nannymcphee(f): 12:31pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Gombs post: You want to start again o!! what do you mean BLW is richer than some COUNTRIES? Based on what statistics? Do you know how many of the CE churches worldwide are in internal debt? Owing for rhapsody, owing for partnership, owing for even this past RON ? I don't want to wash any dirty linen outside!! If indeed what you said is true, how come you aren't doing what the early Christians did, they sold their possession & laid it on the apostle feet:not to build church or sponsor books but to share amongst everyone such that no one lacked how has that wealth affected the ordinary folks including those in the ministry? There is a lot you don't know about the ministry, you are just talking based on the little you know, I know staffs of virtually every arm of the minstry, some were my members in school or friends!! So I know what I'm talking about
GIDEON'S bible:free not to be sold has gone around the world more than any Christian book & the money used in doing that wasn't through tithing or mandated funds How many times have you heard them soliciting for funds? Rhapsody being the second book to the bible according to God or man? why should a book be compared to a bible? those 105millions copies if translated into Cash, do you know the good it will do amongst the Christian community & humanity how many do you think was really read? Go to some CE churches now, you will find TONS of cartons of rhapsody(October edition-reach Nigeria copies), not distributed You are here quoting figures 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 12:36pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
They would rather tie the obligatory tithe system originally instituted for the national Israel to a Christian's well being, knowing fully well that an average christian erroneously believe they have to do something to spark up a reaction from God. Did God forget to tell the christian nation how to pay their own form of tithe? Of course not. Romans 13 13 Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience. 6 [size=25pt]Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. [/size]7 Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 12:42pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Hmmmmm..... |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 12:48pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
shdemidemi:Why the folly? Are you going to be arrested if you do not attend church for the next 30yrs talk more of giving your offerings in church? Do you see God when you give your offerings in church? Why do you agree you give your offerings to God and not to man? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 12:55pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: And why should you be arrested For not attending church meetings? What's your point? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 12:59pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
shdemidemi:Will you be arrested for not paying govt tax? Why compare it with tithes? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 1:29pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: Isn't that the difference between a conditional tithing system and the Liberty in christ by Grace from God. The bible says there are government officials that have been set up by God to maintain order. When we break the rules even as christians we get punished by the authorities. Romans 13:5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment (from authorities), but also to keep a clear conscience. God is no more in the business of cause and effect in the present dispensation of grace. Everything we get or do not get is never by what we pay to church or do religiously. It is all by God's grace. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:42pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
shdemidemi:Can you quote a single verse where Moses says to punish Israel for non tithing? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 1:42pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
SirJohn: Je regarde cet espace. Vous serez là pour émerveiller. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Candour(m): 2:03pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 2:17pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Bidam: There was certainly a negative and adverse corollary effect from God if one refuses to tithe in the old testament. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:34pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
shdemidemi:I am interested in a verse of scripture not grammer. Am i to assume you cannot quote the verse i asked? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:38pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Did I not share this? What is the penalty for coveting? Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 2:39pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Do a little googling on countries in the carribean, then get back to me. 105million copies of ROR were distributed this year, by N130 or $0.77 it's $81, 000, 000. Leave Bibles, innercity mission, etc out. Do you know how many of the CE churches worldwide are in internal debt? Owing for rhapsody, owing for partnership, owing for even this past RON ? Ok, holla me when it's external debt. Shey those CE churches are in BLW? Did I say CE XYZ is richer than some countries, or BLW NATION? I don't want to wash any dirty linen outside!! It's your head ache, not mine. If indeed what you said is true, how come you aren't doing what the early Christians did, they sold their possession & laid it on the apostle feet:not to build church or sponsor books but to share amongst everyone such that no one lacked How many of your possessions have you sold and laid it on the feet of your Apostle? See how warped your thinking can get? Share so that no one lacked abi? Churches should not be built and books should not be sponsored shey? God help your reasoning. Amen how has that wealth affected the ordinary folks including those in the ministry? If you don’t like how things are ran in CE and know how it should be done...please go start your own the right way. Don’t forget to call WinsomeX along. Ordinary folks? So there are rich, average and ordinary in the Church of God? haven't you heard of HELPS dept? What of brethren empowerment initiatives? Your own better idea is to make everyone who is 'ordinary folks' queue, and share for them the monies from the possesion others sold, shey? Clap for yourself There is a lot you don't know about the ministry, you are just talking based on the little you know, I know Yeah right...the honest nannymcphee. I will have to re-learn how to take you very serious. NB: there is no such thing as staffs, in English language anyway. You don't pluralise staff. Thank you. GIDEON'S bible:free not to be sold has gone around the world more than any Christian book & the money used in doing that wasn't through tithing or mandated funds IF you could read, you'd have noticed I said "second only to the Bible". And yes, some folks paid for the Bibles to be shared free.... they are however not more than 120 different languages, are they? And yes "the union" were given responsibility/mandated for funding the Bibles. Read here to help your ignorance http://www.gideons.org/AboutUs/OurHistory.aspx How many times have you heard them soliciting for funds? God help your ignorance. GIDEONS go around to churches and speak, most Baptists churches have the Gideons there once a year or more and the churches make donations or pledges to help buy bibles for that purpose. Some private individuals give to them yearly as well...when a person donates they can determine where they want the bibles placed, they can be for soldiers (green testaments) or the Red testaments that they hand out at schools. I'm sure you think God hand it down to them, or they called some folks and asked them to donate or wrote some mega churches for donations. Anyways if they wrote mega churches (I know some who's written CE) for funds, it's not a bad idea.... some churches however has to be mega, no? Or like Candour and WinsomeX, the church should be small for the way is narrow, and only a few find it? Ok ma... Rhapsody being the second book to the bible according to God or man? why should a book be compared to a bible? Are you sure you are ok... is that what I wrote or what your smart mind could conjure? those 105millions copies if translated into Cash, do you know the good it will do amongst the Christian community & humanity That's the Spirit of Judas... [NLT] John 12:5 “That perfume was worth a year’s wages. It should have been sold and the money given to the poor.” [NLT] John 12:6 Not that he cared for the poor—he was a thief, and since he was in charge of the disciples’ money, he often stole some for himself. To change a man, you have to first change the way he thinks. The word changes anyone and anything, that's why we send the word. All the monies government has been sinking in the lives of humanity, how come there hasn't been a utopia? All the monies bill Gates has sent to Africa, what impact has it done to humanity? We csn give them 81million dollar and still come in 5 years time and meet them in the same poverty. We are smarter.,, we take the word to them, not cash. how many do you think was really read? None. Go to some CE churches now, you will find TONS of cartons of rhapsody(October edition-reach Nigeria copies), not distributed Ok You are here quoting figures Noted Don't blame me in future if I ignore posts you direct to me, especially the ones suffering from heavy deficiency of common sense. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:45pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
vooks:coveting what? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:51pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor. —Exodus 20:17 (NIV) Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:57pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
vooks:Ridiculous, God has now turned to your neighbor and a man? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 3:00pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
What is ridiculous sir? the commandment? Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 3:02pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
vooks:No your gross stupidity. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 3:03pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Why am i stupid? Bidam: |
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