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I welcome you in the name of the Lord.
Dont be ignorant of satan devices, lest he get an advantage of you.
In the bible, there is nothing like sex before marriage.
Although christ didnt tell us more about Marriage but I think Paul advised.
What is Marriage? Marriage makes you and ur partner been twain should become one flesh.
Now, before you marry, "Are U one flesh?".
The answer is obviously no.
Since you are not, anything done outside marriage is considered to be adultary and fonication.
Have you not heared when the Lord said; "All they are expert in is how to find lovers arround the corner of the street and have sex with each other. Lovers of pleasures."
The fact is that you cant survive pleasure.
Dont be deceived, sex before marriage is lust and the huge to have pleasure. Dont enjoy sin.
Even in marriage dont defile your bed. Because as a Christain where U are even going to, there is no Marriage there.
Grace be to you all.
AMEN!

Goshen360:


First, I have always said you are the most confused fellow I ever know on this forum. The reason being the same as I have always said - you copy too many articles contradicting one another online and you can't stand questions when asked. Listen to yourself here: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. But with the other side of your mouth, you're here arguing premarital means is an act of fornication.

Are you also saying that because the word Grandfather is not written in the Bible there is no such thing called Grandfather?

Goshen360:


Yes, fornication can mean sex before marriage is one is whor.ing, prostitu.ting and sleeping around but the basic point here is, if one has one partner he\she is committed to in love and they planned to marry, will it be considered fornication? There's nowhere the bible said such thing. The ACTS involved in the sin of fornication are clearly stated in scriptures and YOU CLEARLY AGREE.....premarital sex WASN'T PRECISELY MENTIONED. Or is it that you don't know what pre-marital sex is or what?

Folks in the UK who live in sin are committed to one sin partner at a time, most of them don't sleep around. Are you saying Christians should do the same?

Goshen360:


True and yes, scriptures condemn adultery and fornication.....mostly translated sexual immorality. Question, what then is FORNICATION? You can consider fornication as sexually immoral IF ONE IS WHOR.ING, PROSTI.TUTING, GAY, LESBIANISM, BESTIALITY, INCEST, IDOLATRY ETC but with someone i'm in love with, committed to, in relationship\courtship with and want to marry? No where the bible mentioned such AS PART OF FORNICATION.

Premarital sex is also fornication. If you are not lawfully married why partake of the fringe benefits of those who are legally married. Are you allowed to drive if you have not passed your driving test? or are you saying because you intend to pass the test you are therefore permitted to drive a car unsupervised?

Goshen360:


Now, on the other hand, If AFTER I'm married and GO OUTSIDE my existing marriage.....that is what the sex OUTSIDE MARRIAGE means, then I commit fornication. Where did I get this from Goshen? Off course from the Master Himself....listen to your Master, not man-made traditions:

New International Version
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

New Living Translation
And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery--unless his wife has been unfaithful."

English Standard Version
And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

New American Standard Bible
"And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

King James Bible
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

A MARRIED woman going OUTSIDE of her marriage is what Christ called fornication. That's what sex OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE MEANS. So, can a married woman\man commit fornication.....scripturally YES!!! Can a unmarried person commit fornication? Scripturally YES!!! How? If he\she is committing any acts I mentioned above not if he\she stays with one partner. Sex BEFORE marriage is considered FORNICATION or SEXUAL IMMORALITY if one is WHOR.ING, PROSTI.TUTING, GAY, LESBIANISM, BESTIALITY, INCEST, IDOLATRY as stated in scriptures and that's what I stand by NOT EXPANDING OR ADDING TO IT.

TBC

Let me bring to your attention what our Lord Jesus Christ said if He is your Master indeed:

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart" (Matthew 5:27-28).

Just as the tithes of Abraham God expects a higher standard from Christians from those operating under the Law. He goes to the fountain top and not just the acts. Jesus pushes His scrutinies into the heart of man thereby purifying the waters at the fountain head. So if you think because the word "premarital sex" is not written that you are exempted then you got something else coming.

Goshen360:


Let's find out what was happening in Corinthian church that caused this statement of 1 Corinthians 7:2.

The Corinthian church practised all KINDS OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY INCLUDING SLEEPING WITH ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE AND HUSBAND TO THE POINT THAT, SOME WHERE SLEEPING WITH THEIR STEPMOTHER AND SOME SLEEPING WITH PROSTI.TUTES\WHO.RES. All these acts and many more was going on in the church then as it were.

Paul, the Apostle continued to write until he got to 1 Corinthians 7:2. and said,

New International Version
But since sexual immorality [b]is occurring[/b], each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.

New Living Translation
But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.

English Standard Version
But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

New American Standard Bible
But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.

King James Bible
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

The fornication (sexual immorality) OCCURING....whereby women sleeping with another man wife and man sleeping with another woman's husband and man sleeping with his step mother etc. Paul said, let each man have HIS OWN (a possessive term)......this is a clear indication of the context that some are sleeping with men\woman THAT ARE NOT THEIR SPOUSE......instead of sleeping with your father's wife, why not get your own wife. Instead of sleeping with another woman's husband, go and have YOUR OWN husband. This verse says nothing about premarital sex, as a matter of fact, people committing this fornication in Corinth, both parties or one is married.

I know all the scriptures in the NT you want to come up with concerning fornication and I can assure you, bring them up and we will look at the context together. You can even say.....Paul said you should not touch your VIRGIN..... until you're married but hey, VIRGIN as Paul the Apostle taught doesn't MEAN someone who had not had sex but someone who had not married.

If you are have not paid the bride price you have no business having sex to quench your lust with her. Deal with the lust in your heart first and then get married if you are yet to be married.

Goshen360:


You lied on your logical interpretation of 1 Corinthians 7:2. It doesn't INCLUDE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE.....(in my biblical understanding....as with one partner) IN THE DEFINITION OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY. It specifically mentioned the ACTS that was going on in Corinth then before he condemned such ACTS as sinful. Off course it will be sinful and immoral to be sleeping with one's stepmother or another man\woman spouse or sleeping with prostitu.tes and whor.es and animals and one's son\daughter. That's what is considered and said to be sexually immoral.

Why do you have to marry if you can begin to enjoy the benefits of marriage before then?

Goshen360:


I took my time to check every single scripture your quoted up there. None talked about sexual immorality as premarital sex....that is, sex with one partner one is in love with, committed to and wants to\willing to marry. Religion is making you add to, expand and use traditions of men to interpret what scripture says. If there's any verse among what you quoted you want to discuss, feel free to bring it up.

Don't let the devil blind you from seeing what you are supposed to see. Scriptures abound that forbids premarital sex even if it is not called as such. Here is what Jesus said confirming the institution of marriage from the beginning.

"And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?" (Matthew 19:5).

Therefore, if there's no "leaving and cleaving" there should be no sex before marriage.

Goshen360:


Listen to what you said yourself not up to 48 hours.....



^^^ From you, the most confused one. Again, I asked....if the bible doesn't give us premarital sex as fornication. WHY do you and your religious fellows say premarital sex is included in the sin of fornication....GREEK, porneia

I ask again, Is the word "grandfather" written in the Bible? If not should we jettison the word altogether?

ifeness:


You are best at picking and choosing from the bible. Can you talk about stoning of lil kids to death from the bible? Thanks

Can you also show me from the Bible where little kids were stoned to death?

Image123:


You sabi that guy very well, even his pin code.

I realise that Goshen has gone into hiding again.

OLAADEGBU:
I realise that Goshen has gone into hiding again.

Gone into hiding for what? Your reading into text or traditions of men teaching? Because I don't respond to these your fallacies mean I went hiding? If I have time for your religious fanatism, I will still respond. Until then, stop accusing the guiltless.

OLAADEGBU:


I ask again, Is the word "grandfather" written in the Bible? If not should we jettison the word altogether?

Until I show it to you, start looking for where the word "Trinity" written in the bible also. It's difficult to discuss with religious people like you because you will always talk out of context.

Goshen360:


Gone into hiding for what? Your reading into text or traditions of men teaching? Because I don't respond to these your fallacies mean I went hiding? If I have time for your religious fanatism, I will still respond. Until then, stop accusing the guiltless.

If you have not gone into hiding then respond to objections don't obfuscate the issue by appealing to people's emotions. Answer the questions posed to you and stop prevaricating.

Goshen360:


Until I show it to you, start looking for where the word "Trinity" written in the bible also. It's difficult to discuss with religious people like you because you will always talk out of context.

I am the one saying that you cannot find the word "Grandfather" written in the Bible just as you cannot find the word "Trinity" especially in the authorised version of the Bible. If your reasoning is because these words do not exist in the bible therefore concepts like these don't exist then your case must be worse than I thought.

OLAADEGBU:


I am the one saying that you cannot find the word "Grandfather" written in the Bible just as you cannot find the word "Trinity" especially in the authorised version of the Bible. If your reasoning is because these words do not exist in the bible therefore concepts like these don't exist then your case must be worse than I thought.

First, you yourself agree that "pre-marital" sex doesn't appear in the bible BUT on the other hand, you define it within the context of fornication. So, what we're doing here is, is pre marital sex included in the sin of fornication? BUT it doesn't fall with the sin of fornication. THAT IS THE CRUX OF OUR ARGUMENT OR DISCUSSION HERE. What's I'm saying through scripture is, fornication is a sin BUT pre-marital sex is in nowhere included in the sin of fornication and nowhere in scripture does scripture mentioned pre-marital sex as sin or mentioned as sin of fornication.

I will respond to your previous comment after this.....typing now

Goshen360:


First, you yourself agree that "pre-marital" sex doesn't appear in the bible BUT on the other hand, you define it within the context of fornication. So, what we're doing here is, is pre marital sex included in the sin of fornication? BUT it doesn't fall with the sin of fornication. THAT IS THE CRUX OF OUR ARGUMENT OR DISCUSSION HERE. What's I'm saying through scripture is, fornication is a sin BUT pre-marital sex is in nowhere included in the sin of fornication and nowhere in scripture does scripture mentioned pre-marital sex as sin or mentioned as sin of fornication.

I will respond to your previous comment after this.....typing now

Don't twist my words the way you often twist the Scriptures. I conceded that the "word" premarital sex does not appear in the Bible not that the concept is absent.

Now a question for you. How do you avoid lusting after this girl that you are not married to when you are engaging in premarital sex?

OLAADEGBU:


Are you also saying that because the word Grandfather is not written in the Bible there is no such thing called Grandfather?

OLAADEGBU:

I am the one saying that you cannot find the word "Grandfather" written in the Bible just as you cannot find the word "Trinity" especially in the authorised version of the Bible. If your reasoning is because these words do not exist in the bible therefore concepts like these don't exist then your case must be worse than I thought.

You kept ranting about grandfather nonsense as if it's not in the bible. Is this you that wants to talk this topic intensively? I do not mean to insult you but religion had eaten deep into you and make you dey think at least before you say somethings on the world wide web. Here are scriptures mentioning grandfather.....dumb Ola.... . Too much of KJV is killing you....

New International Version
All my grandfather's descendants deserved nothing but death from my lord the king, but you gave your servant a place among those who eat at your table. So what right do I have to make any more appeals to the king?"

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For my grandfather's entire family deserves death from my lord the king, but you set your servant among those who eat at your table. So what further right do I have to keep on making appeals to the king?"

International Standard Version
Everyone from my grandfather's household deserved nothing but death from your majesty the king, but you provided a place for your servant among those who have been eating from your table. So what right do I have to ask for anything more from the king?"

NET Bible
After all, there was no one in the entire house of my grandfather who did not deserve death from my lord the king. But instead you allowed me to eat at your own table! What further claim do I have to ask the king for anything?"

2 Samuel 19:28

New Living Translation
At the top of the stairway stood the LORD, and he said, "I am the LORD, the God of your grandfather Abraham, and the God of your father, Isaac. The ground you are lying on belongs to you. I am giving it to you and your descendants.

New Living Translation
The neighbor women said, "Now at last Naomi has a son again!" And they named him Obed. He became the father of Jesse and the grandfather of David.

Lemme stop here for that...I have lots of things to do today but just wanna respond to you, since you're thinking I'm dodging. BUT, I have more scriptures o, if you want.....

Goshen360:




You kept ranting about grandfather nonsense as if it's not in the bible. Is this you that wants to talk this topic intensively? I do not mean to insult you but religion had eaten deep into you and make you dey think at least before you say somethings on the world wide web. Here are scriptures mentioning grandfather.....dumb Ola.... . Too much of KJV is killing you....

Snip....

See how folks fail exams without difficulties. Read properly before jumping to conclusions. I asked you to show me the word grandfather from the authorised version and not from some copyrighted versions. I can understand that infidels often resort to ad hominems when their backs are up against the wall.

@ Ola,

I'm looking for a reply you lifted the definition of "fornication" as "unlawful sex" and WITHOUT scriptures, you termed\insinuated it to mean "pre-marital" sex. Can you give me the link to that reply. I want to GIVE YOU SCRIPTURES of what the bible called "UNLAWFUL" sex. Please, that's the only meaningful thing I want to respond to, not some circle going you doing here without substance and you're not saying anything either.

OLAADEGBU:


See how folks fail exams without difficulties. Read properly before jumping to conclusions. I asked you to show me the word grandfather from the authorised version and not from some copyrighted versions. I can understand that infidels often resort to ad hominems when their backs are against the walls.

Again, you are asking a dumb question. All you have to do is go back to same KJV and see how fathers are used IN THE SAME VERSE? Can you have TWO earthly biological father as the same time?

A is the father of B and B is the the father of C. So if the KJV says A is the father of C. Does it mean A gave birth to C? . If father is used for A as to B, is A still a father to C even though same father used? People are reading how you playing dumb now.....

If you have nothing sensible to say, stop wasting people's time. I don't have time making up pages to your thread if you have nothing meaningful to say.

Goshen360:


Again, you are asking a dumb question. All you have to do is go back to same KJV and see how fathers are used IN THE SAME VERSE? Can you have TWO earthly biological father as the same time?

A is the father of B and B is the the father of C. So if the KJV says A is the father of C. Does it mean A gave birth to C? . If father is used for A as to B, is A still a father to C even though same father used? People are reading how you playing dumb now.....

If you have nothing sensible to say, stop wasting people's time. I don't have time making up pages to your thread if you have nothing meaningful to say.

That is the truth am trying to make you see and yet you don't get it. You can see the concept of grandfathers but you cannot find the Word Grandfather in the authorised version. Any sensible person should be able to see that the fact that the absence of a word does not imply that the concept is lost. I wonder how some folks read.

Goshen360:


First, you yourself agree that "pre-marital" sex doesn't appear in the bible BUT on the other hand, you define it within the context of fornication. So, what we're doing here is, is pre marital sex included in the sin of fornication? BUT it doesn't fall with the sin of fornication. THAT IS THE CRUX OF OUR ARGUMENT OR DISCUSSION HERE. What's I'm saying through scripture is, fornication is a sin BUT pre-marital sex is in nowhere included in the sin of fornication and nowhere in scripture does scripture mentioned pre-marital sex as sin or mentioned as sin of fornication.

I will respond to your previous comment after this.....typing now

SMH for false teachers like you. All ur teachings in times past dat i was beliving i now reject. Your signature perfectly defines you

oyeludef:
SMH for false teachers like you. All ur teachings in times past dat i was beliving i now reject. Your signature perfectly defines you

It's okay. You don't have to agree BUT my advice is, do not take what I said because I said it; even my past and present teachings. I have always said, you should proof and search by yourself anything I say. We know in part and we prophesy in part.

OLAADEGBU:


That is the truth am trying to make you see and yet you don't get it. You can see the concept of grandfathers but you cannot find the Word Grandfather in the authorised version. Any sensible person should be able to see that the fact that the absence of a word does not imply that the concept is lost. I wonder how some folks read.

I understand what you are saying. YOU are the one not listening to what I'm saying. It's not a conversation, it's more of you want to hold to what you believe traditionally. Take to understand what I've saying. The concept you're referring to is what I'm saying is missing in the whole picture. We should stop adding to the word of God by our own traditions.

oyeludef:


SMH for false teachers like you. All ur teachings in times past dat i was beliving i now reject. Your signature perfectly defines you

I thank God that folks are beginning to see behind the mask. Goshen has been unmasked.

Goshen360:


It's okay. You don't have to agree BUT my advice is, do not take what I said because I said it; even my past and present teachings. I have always said, you should proof and search by yourself anything I say. We know in part and we prophesy in part.

People are talking and the pauper says he has an idea. Why not keep your advise to yourself and learn before you come to the public forum to spread half truth and lies from the pit of hell?

Goshen360:
@ Ola,

I'm looking for a reply you lifted the definition of "fornication" as "unlawful sex" and WITHOUT scriptures, you termed\insinuated it to mean "pre-marital" sex. Can you give me the link to that reply. I want to GIVE YOU SCRIPTURES of what the bible called "UNLAWFUL" sex. Please, that's the only meaningful thing I want to respond to, not some circle going you doing here without substance and you're not saying anything either.

How far about your "investigation?" Are you still looking for my post on how fornication can be termed as unlawful sex?

OLAADEGBU:


Question: "What does the Bible say about sex before marriage?"

Answer: There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.

Since 1 Corinthians 7:2 clearly includes sex before marriage in the definition of sexual immorality, all of the Bible verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage as sinful. Sex before marriage is included in the biblical definition of sexual immorality. There are numerous Scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).

Far too often we focus on the “recreation” aspect of sex without recognizing that there is another aspect—procreation. Sex within marriage is pleasurable, and God designed it that way. God wants men and women to enjoy sexual activity within the confines of marriage. Song of Solomon and several other Bible passages (such as Proverbs 5:19) clearly describe the pleasure of sex. However, the couple must understand that God’s intent for sex includes producing children. Thus, for a couple to engage in sex before marriage is doubly wrong—they are enjoying pleasures not intended for them, and they are taking a chance of creating a human life outside of the family structure God intended for every child.

While practicality does not determine right from wrong, if the Bible's message on sex before marriage were obeyed, there would be far fewer sexually transmitted diseases, far fewer abortions, far fewer unwed mothers and unwanted pregnancies, and far fewer children growing up without both parents in their lives. Abstinence is God’s only policy when it comes to sex before marriage. Abstinence saves lives, protects babies, gives sexual relations the proper value, and, most importantly, honours God.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-marriage.html#ixzz3Ghobo6pP

Objections?