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Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by Trailblazer1(m): 12:29pm On Oct 21, 2014
The Nigerian government thinks homosexuality and lesbianism is insanity and offensive to the Nigerian society and subsequently, declared it illegal, with a jail term of 14 years imposed as punishment to culprits.

On the other hand, the catholic Vaticans thinks otherwise. They opine that gays has something to offer the church.

Is being a gay moral to you?
Who's right?

Please share your opinion
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by warripekin(m): 12:59pm On Oct 21, 2014
The Vatican never made any such statement. U and the media are reading a translation gone wrong on the churches synod on family. Google for the original report and translation or better still check Catholic sites like newadvent.org or zenith.com. If u like read what the report says about relatio and disordered relationship. Besides the Catholic church has a position about gays and it hasn't changed and it is not going to change now.

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Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by jokinexcel(m): 1:09pm On Oct 21, 2014
The catholic is not in support of gay marriage or. Relationship but the church only want to change her stand on gay issue. In the past the. Church views gays as sick people with "Animalistic instinct" and discriminated against them. But the modern church still maintain that homosexual act is a great sin before God. But we should not hate them (gays) and discriminate against them, we should love and welcome them thereby bringing them back to God. The church just like christ loves the sinners but hates sin. The op is. Making it sound as if the Holy Roman catholic church is now in support of gayism.

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Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by yungEX(m): 1:35pm On Oct 21, 2014
Gays are sinners not criminals! if the govt arrests gays they should also arrest fornicators!
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by Trailblazer1(m): 1:44pm On Oct 21, 2014
The point is should homosexuality be even mentioned at all in the church of Christ?

Gayism should be anathema
https://www.nairaland.com/1956516/catholic-church-bishops-drop-move
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by Nobody: 1:46pm On Oct 21, 2014
OP ARE YOU THAT JOBLESS OR WHAT? YOU CREATED A SIMILAR THREAD ON THE RELIGION SECTION AND NOW THIS
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by Nobody: 1:46pm On Oct 21, 2014
19 Oct 2014

Catholic Church Bishops Drop Historic Move To Accept Gays
Roman Catholic bishops on Saturday reversed a historic acceptance of gays, dropping parts of a controversial document that had talked more positively of homosexuals than ever before in Church history.


The document, issued at the end of a two-week assembly, or synod, of some 200 Roman Catholic bishops from around the world, pointed to deep divisions within the Church on issues such as reaching out to homosexuals and Catholics who have divorced and re-married in civil services.

After an initial draft was released on Monday, conservative bishops vowed to change the language on gays, cohabitation and re-marriage, saying it had created confusion among the faithful and threatened to undermine the traditional family.

Gay rights groups expressed deep disappointment with the final version, while the conservative Catholic blog Rorate Caeli hailed it as "a considerable setback for the revolutionaries".

The two-paragraph section of the final document dealing with homosexuals was titled "Pastoral attention towards persons with homosexual orientations". The previous, three-paragraph version had been called "Welcoming homosexuals."

The earlier version spoke of "accepting and valuing their (homosexuals') intimate orientations" and giving gays "a welcoming home". The final version eliminated those phrases and most of the other language that church progressives and gay rights groups had hailed as a breakthrough.

The new version used more vague, general language, repeating earlier church statements that gays "should be welcomed with respect and sensitivity" and that discrimination against gays "is to be avoided".

Gays disappointed

Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, a Catholic gay rights group in the States, said it was "very disappointing that the synod's final report did not retain the gracious welcome to lesbian and gay people that the draft of the report included".

"Instead, the bishops have taken a narrow view of pastoral care by defining it simply as opposition to marriage for same-gender couples," he said.

The final version stressed that "there is no foundation whatsoever" to compare homosexual marriage to heterosexual marriage, calling heterosexual marriage "God's plan for matrimony and the family".

The earlier version said the church should acknowledge that couples in same-sex relations offered "mutual aid" and "precious support" for each other in times of difficulty.

"People who found hope in the respectful, welcoming tone of the midterm report will be crushed by the removal of that language in the final document. It's just gone, replaced with the same off-putting phrases we've heard for decades," said Marianne Duddy-Burke of DignityUSA, a Catholic gay rights group.

Voting counts released by the Vatican showed that controversial articles, including the final version of one of the two on gays, failed to get the two-thirds majority needed for a consensus.

This indicated that progressive bishops may have voted against them because they felt the language had become too restrictive or watered down.

Vatican spokesman Lombardi said the entire document would now serve for further reflection among Catholics ahead of another, definitive synod next year.

In his final address to the gathering, Francis, who had called on the bishops to speak their minds frankly, said he would have been "worried and saddened" if there had not been such heated, honest discussion during the gathering.

The pope also warned against both "hostile rigidity" by traditionalists as well as "destructive good will" by progressives who wanted change at any cost.
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by Nobody: 1:47pm On Oct 21, 2014
yungEX:
Gays are sinners not criminals! if the govt arrests gays they should also arrest fornicators!

YOU DE MIND THE HYPOCRITES!!! MOST OF THE PROPONESNTS OF THE ANTI-GAY LAW ARE CHRONIC ADULTERERS AND FORNICATORS.IF YOU WANT TO JAIL GAYS THEN WAHT STOPS YOU FROM JAILING FORNICATORS AND ADULTERERS
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by Nobody: 1:48pm On Oct 21, 2014
Trailblazer1:
The point is should homosexuality be even mentioned at all in the church of Christ?

Gayism should be anathema
https://www.nairaland.com/1956516/catholic-church-bishops-drop-move

WAS HOMOSEXUALITY NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE?
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by RareDiamonds: 1:55pm On Oct 21, 2014
CATHOLIC CHURCH HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED AND WILL NEVER SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE. THE SUGGESTION WRITTEN BY A GAY SYMPATHIZING MONSIGNOR TO THE CATHOLIC BISHOP SYNOD THAT THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH SHOULD CHANGE IT'S VIEW ON GAYS AS "SICK PEOPLE WITH ANIMALISTIC INSTINCT" WHILE UPHOLDING THE FACT THAT MARRIAGE IS STRICTLY BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, WAS REJECTED BY THE CATHOLIC BISHOP SYNOD WHO INSISTED THAT THE STATUS QUE BE MAINTAINED AND RECOMMENDED THAT CATHOLIC COUPLES SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AND USED AS A MODEL OF CHRISTAIN MARRIAGE.
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by Trailblazer1(m): 2:48pm On Oct 21, 2014
chukwudi44:
OP ARE YOU THAT JOBLESS OR WHAT? YOU CREATED A SIMILAR THREAD ON THE RELIGION SECTION AND NOW THIS
Sorry for my joblessness. Both threads were created at d same time.
The object of the thread is to seek peoples opinions. Thanks.
So how's work ? Cos you've been following me about

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Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by teemy(m): 3:49pm On Oct 21, 2014
the concept of 'my sin is lesser than theirs' is why our people physically attack homos. the govt made homosexual marriages and public show of affection criminal not being gay or lesbian.
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by teemy(m): 3:54pm On Oct 21, 2014
though not catholic myself but it is easy to get the message spelt. the stand on adultery and fornication is the same as on homosexuality. practice is unacceptable but the characters are not to be demonized but winning them over by love and the Word.
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by Trailblazer1(m): 4:30pm On Oct 21, 2014
chukwudi44:


WAS HOMOSEXUALITY NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE?

And what did the Bible say about it?
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by teemy(m): 5:41pm On Oct 21, 2014
the bible which is the christian constitution outlaws same sex copulation in both the old (LEVITICUS) and new testament (CORINTHIANS) clearly enough to avoid confusion. if heaven is our goal we should avoid ALL forms of disobedience to God.
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by teemy(m): 5:48pm On Oct 21, 2014
it's unbrotherly to stand in line awaiting who casts the first stone when we should be looking forward to helping one another's weaknesses. it's a heavenly race we all run for. if i see you in danger line, i warn you and if i fall you pull me up. grin
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by onoja12: 7:19pm On Oct 21, 2014
Correction its not just the Nigerian Government but (95% of all Nigerians)do not want that sickness in our country. Nigeria is not america where even when the people have rejected it,a few people sneak it through the back door by using court judgement derived from courts that are headed by gays,i dare the gay people to call for a referendum on the issue in america let us see if this sick set of people can win

Trailblazer1:
The Nigerian government thinks homosexuality and lesbianism is insanity and offensive to the Nigerian society and subsequently, declared it illegal, with a jail term of 14 years imposed as punishment to culprits.

On the other hand, the catholic Vaticans thinks otherwise. They opine that gays has something to offer the church.

Is being a gay moral to you?
Who's right?

Please share your opinion
Re: Gay War: Nigerian Government VS The Catholic Vaticans by Nobody: 7:24pm On Oct 21, 2014
Trailblazer1:
The Nigerian government thinks homosexuality and lesbianism is insanity and offensive to the Nigerian society and subsequently, declared it illegal, with a jail term of 14 years imposed as punishment to culprits.

On the other hand, the catholic Vaticans thinks otherwise. They opine that gays has something to offer the church.

Is being a gay moral to you?
Who's right?

Please share your opinion
..

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