I will like to find out why Arochukwu stopped bringing gifts and paying homages to EZE NRI,like they use to. All the proud Aro sons should come here and explain this to me.
Not just Aro but all the other major towns in Igboland. To me this is a complete disobedience to a sacred institution.

**Following this thread keenly**

Lilimax:
**Following this thread keenly**

Thats good but you better be ready for third world war...lol

OdenigboAroli:


Thats good but you better be ready for third world war...lol

Currently sharpening my anti-ballistic missile

I hope that when an Aro man finally turns up, he will ask you why the Nri people stopped sending the annual tributes to the head of the Adama community. That is a far more reasonable question that the one you're asking.

RadoilloII:
I hope that when an Aro man finally turns up, he will ask you why the Nri people stopped sending the annual tributes to the head of the Adama community. That is a far more reasonable question that the one you're asking.

Aro defender,why dont you let Adama worry about that. And do you think its easy for someone to migrate into your land and rule over you ?

I thought you opened a thread to talk about who was paying tribute to who? What, now? Does the fact that the Nri people were paying tribute to the Adama up to the early 1900s make you uncomfortable?

You know very well Aros never paid tribute to Nri. You opened this thread in jest . As a matter of fact, Eze Nri Enwelana in the 19th century sent delegates to try and persuade the Aro chief Okoli Ijoma to stop sending his Abam raiders into the Nri-Awka area. The attempts at diplomacy failed. It was Awka that finally organized the Amakom league with its neighbouring towns that stood up militarily to the Aro-hired raiders.

Go ahead now and call me hater and revisionist. Wherever I can i'll continue to throw facts into your face.

RadoilloII:


I thought you opened a thread to talk about who was paying tribute to who? What, now? Does the fact that the Nri people were paying tribute to the Adama up to the early 1900s make you uncomfortable?

You know very well Aros never paid tribute to Nri. You opened this thread in jest . As a matter of fact, Eze Nri Enwelana in the 19th century sent delegates to try and persuade the Aro chief Okoli Ijoma to stop sending his Abam raiders into the Nri-Awka area. The attempts at diplomacy failed. It was Awka that finally organized the Amakom league with its neighbouring towns that stood up militarily to the Aro-hired raiders.

Go ahead now and call me hater and revisionist. Wherever I can i'll continue to throw facts into your face.

Do you need proof ?
By the way Nri never ,Nri never operated military body.

OdenigboAroli:


By the way Nri never ,Nri never operated military body.

Exactly my point. Which is why when the Awka-Nri axis was threatened by the Aro and their raiders, the Nri could only send embassies to plead and cajole....until Awka stepped in.

You want to bring proof that the Aro sent tribute to Nri? Sure. Go ahead. Present your proof.

RadoilloII:


Exactly my point. Which is why when the Awka-Nri axis was threatened by the Aro and their raiders, the Nri could only send embassies to plead and cajole....until Awka stepped in.

You want to bring proof that the Aro sent tribute to Nri? Sure. Go ahead. Present your proof.

Dont worry,you will get your proof.....My phone is failing me. By the way,raiders are criminals....At least,we can agree with that.

OdenigboAroli:
Not just Aro but all the other major towns in Igboland. To me this is a complete disobedience to a sacred institution.

Who are these "all the other major towns in Igboland" that you're referring to?

ChinenyeN:


Who are these "all the other major towns in Igboland" that you're referring to?

We will find out. Won't we ?

OdenigboAroli:


Dont worry,you will get your proof.....My phone is failing me. By the way,raiders are criminals....At least,we can agree with that.

Criminal or not, that's entirely subjective. Were there laws in 19th-century Igbo society against enslaving people?

There is really nothing to prove. Why do i see only one Nri man jumping all over nairaland? Na wa!
Aro did not pay tributes to Nri. Are you on a mission to claim Aro too? This is getting crazy!
Am only blaming the Umudianas and other subgroups for not stopping this nonesense on time.

Hang in there. He's still going to bring proof...as soon as his phone stops 'failing' him.

Don't worry you will have it.
There is no law against enslaving people but there is against kidnapping people. If not ,why do they have to raid peoples farm , kidnap and go sell. Rodoillo,dont tell me you are that foolish.

This is unnecessary and pointless digression. Pre-colonial Aro and its colonies were sovereign political entities. Raiding other communities was permitted by the laws that governed their societies. (Other non-Aro communities, by the way, did minor raids and didn't think it was wrong as long as the people being raided are non-kin). That by definition means it is not criminal from their point of view. It is only unacceptable from the point of view of the community being raided. That's why I used the word 'subjective.'

Are we going to discuss the fine print of pre-colonial Igbo legal systems or are we going to talk about Aro's tributary status with respect to Nri, which is the purpose for which you started this thread?

So,Aro people are lawless bunch with no human conscience?
Anyway,I opened the thread and you will wait as long as I want you to wait or you get out. After all,nobody invited you here. Like I said,wait or bounce off.

*smh*

Flipping troll.
You're now graduating into 'get out' and 'bounce off' because you have nothing constructive to say. Okwa inugo nwanyi, Odenigbo? Keduzi ka I ga-esi na akpa agba ka umu aka. Opening pointless threads like bored and idle college boys.

And do you think its easy for someone to migrate into your land and rule over you ?

I purposely ignored this part of your remark. But one day soon i'll get into the details of the relationship between the Nri and Adama. And i'll back up my statements with hard facts that anybody can check out for themselves. Then we'll know who was lording it over the other - the immigrants or the owners of the land.

OdenigboAroli:
I will like to find out why Arochukwu stopped bringing gifts and paying homages to EZE NRI,like they use to. All the proud Aro sons should come here and explain this to me.
Not just Aro but all the other major towns in Igboland. To me this is a complete disobedience to a sacred institution.

odenjinji, i bia kwa ozo.

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In the words of your people: Ino nkiti ajoka. Odenaalinri Odenigbo, gaa kpaa uka ichosa isi uwa gi. Hapu aka ali a inyi na-akpa nwa.

odumchi:
In the words of your people: Ino nkiti ajoka. Odenaalinri Odenigbo, gaa kpaa uka ichosa isi uwa gi. Hapu aka ali a inyi na-akpa nwa.

Odogwu Aro,kelu ki mee?...Nnaa,onwee ajo ife m' mee gi ?
I thought you were a gentle,like Alangwa used to be until the Awka revisionist corrupted his mind. Where is the old Odumchi? This is very painful!
By the way,can you address the board about the disobedience of Aro ?

Odenjinji...I bia kwa ozo!

RadoilloII:


I thought you opened a thread to talk about who was paying tribute to who? What, now? Does the fact that the Nri people were paying tribute to the Adama up to the early 1900s make you uncomfortable?

You know very well Aros never paid tribute to Nri. You opened this thread in jest . As a matter of fact, Eze Nri Enwelana in the 19th century sent delegates to try and persuade the Aro chief Okoli Ijoma to stop sending his Abam raiders into the Nri-Awka area. The attempts at diplomacy failed. It was Awka that finally organized the Amakom league with its neighbouring towns that stood up militarily to the Aro-hired raiders.

Go ahead now and call me hater and revisionist. Wherever I can i'll continue to throw facts into your face.

@Bold...Okoli/Okolie/Okoye is a surname more commonly found in the northern axis of Igboland and it's other version, Okorie, commonly found in the southern axis (Abia/Imo etc). Is there any explanation you might have for this observation?

Okoli is a popular Abia and Arondizuogu surname. Arochukwu people are not fools, they have their history and place of origin intact.

bigfrancis21:


@Bold...Okoli/Okolie/Okoye is a surname more commonly found in the northern axis of Igboland and it's other version, Okorie, commonly found in the southern axis (Abia/Imo etc). Is there any explanation you might have for this observation?

Okoli Ijoma was the leader of Ndikelionwu, an Aro colony in present-day Anambra State. The Aros of Anambra (Ndiowu, Ndiokpalaeze, Ajalli, Ndikelionwu, etc) speak like their neighbours in Anambra, and their names also reflect the so-called Anambra speech. Although typical Aro names like Oti are also common among them.

I might add that there were no direct contacts between Nri and the 'mother town' of Arochukwu, i.e, the Nri did not journey as far as Arochukwu (at least, there are no accounts that they did). The only contacts were with the colonies in the Northern Igbo area.

Radoillo:


Okoli Ijoma was the leader of Ndikelionwu, an Aro colony in present-day Anambra State. The Aros of Anambra (Ndiowu, Ndiokpalaeze, Ajalli, Ndikelionwu, etc) speak like their neighbours in Anambra, and their names also reflect the so-called Anambra speech. Although typical Aro names like Oti are also common among them.

I might add that there were no direct contact between Nri and the 'mother town' of Arochukwu, i.e, the Nri did not journey as far as Arochukwu (at least, there are no accounts that they did). The only contacts were with the colonies in the Northern Igbo area.

Spot on! There is an Aro settlement in my villa and they adopted our dialect and culture. They are regarded as sons and daughters of my area but that does not stop them from acknowledging their Aro heritage too.

Radoillo:


Okoli Ijoma was the leader of Ndikelionwu, an Aro colony in present-day Anambra State. The Aros of Anambra (Ndiowu, Ndiokpalaeze, Ajalli, Ndikelionwu, etc) speak like their neighbours in Anambra, and their names also reflect the so-called Anambra speech. Although typical Aro names like Oti are also common among them.

I might add that there were no direct contacts between Nri and the 'mother town' of Arochukwu, i.e, the Nri did not journey as far as Arochukwu (at least, there are no accounts that they did). The only contacts were with the colonies in the Northern Igbo area.

So in essence you're saying Okoli Ijeoma had already been naturalized in Anambra (as his name tells) but might have still maintained contacts with his Aro brothers down south to be able to mediate between Nri and Aro raiders?

RadoilloII:


I thought you opened a thread to talk about who was paying tribute to who? What, now? Does the fact that the Nri people were paying tribute to the Adama up to the early 1900s make you uncomfortable?

You know very well Aros never paid tribute to Nri. You opened this thread in jest . As a matter of fact, Eze Nri Enwelana in the 19th century sent delegates to try and persuade the Aro chief Okoli Ijoma to stop sending his Abam raiders into the Nri-Awka area. The attempts at diplomacy failed. It was Awka that finally organized the Amakom league with its neighbouring towns that stood up militarily to the Aro-hired raiders.

Go ahead now and call me hater and revisionist. Wherever I can i'll continue to throw facts into your face.

Those slave raiders(aro/abam/edda/ohafia) nearly made their Nri habitat devoid of habitants.

OdenigboAroli:
So,Aro people are lawless bunch with no human conscience?
Anyway,I opened the thread and you will wait as long as I want you to wait or you get out. After all,nobody invited you here. Like I said,wait or bounce off.

Why sounding emotional?

Radoillo:


Okoli Ijoma was the leader of Ndikelionwu, an Aro colony in present-day Anambra State. The Aros of Anambra (Ndiowu, Ndiokpalaeze, Ajalli, Ndikelionwu, etc) speak like their neighbours in Anambra, and their names also reflect the so-called Anambra speech. Although typical Aro names like Oti are also common among them.

I might add that there were no direct contacts between Nri and the 'mother town' of Arochukwu, i.e, the Nri did not journey as far as Arochukwu (at least, there are no accounts that they did). The only contacts were with the colonies in the Northern Igbo area.

It might be interesting to add that Oti is not common only to Arochukwu. During my stay in Nsukka, I met Nsukka natives who bore 'Oti' as surname of which one of them was my lecturer in 3rd year. See his profile below:

http://www.unn.edu.ng/profile/engr-se-oti

Interestingly, Nsukka people believe they are from Nshi(Nri), with inputs here and there from Igala and Idoma.

My maternal cousins from Enugu have their surname as 'Okoli', and it is quite a popular one in Enugu.

The creation of Abia state has been interesting in that it initially contained Afikpo (one of the 4 areas that make up the acronym - Abia ie Aba, Bende, Isiukwuato and Afikpo) a NI area and surrounding villages and much later during the creation of Ebonyi state in 1996, Afikpo was shifted to this newly created state. Abia state today isn't homogeneous linguistically as several unrelated dialects exist in that state(from NI and SI alike). It is not surprising if some people bear Okoli are from that state (my guess would be they are from those areas up north close to Ebonyi state which were not moved to Ebonyi state). Another reason Aba, originally Ngwaland, is the melting pot of many people and dialects today. My question specifically is, is Okoli a name borne by Arochukwu people today?

Don't get me wrong or think I'm having underlying assumptions. I'm just curious because the moment I saw the name, it was striking to me.