freecocoa:
The hypocrisy in this country is downright annoying to say the least.

We have fully clothed thieves everywhere and you are here talking of morals cos you saw n1pples, mschew.

cococandy:
No one is supporting immodesty.
Only saying it's unfair to blame it on the west

5minsmadness:

Where did you see me saying I saw nippIes , madam I'm not interested in oggling anybody's nippIes OK, I've seen enough to last me a lifetime.
Girls think their privates as so damn important.

5minsmadness:


I mentally gawk in amazement.

Its a gym workout suit. You know, the kind new-yorkers wear, extremely fitted and very tough but light fabric that leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination. Absolutely nothing. Her buttcrack is very visible and her gluteus is covered in celulite as evidenced by the subtle bumps on her posterior. The front...OK I tried really hard not to look but curiosity got the better of me and yep; the cameltoe was on easy display for all to see. The top was better off, or maybe because I'm used to seeing skimpy tops I don't really know.

EfemenaXY:




What was/were your point(s) again?

Fkforyou:
Describing the hijab as an oversized tent......it`s downgrading

EfemenaXY:
I can pick flaws with almost every line of your argument here, 5minsmadness.



Okay then. So you do agree that it's been our culture to roam go about our business, either in the nu.de or near-nu.de? So why then do you blame it on Western Influence, seeing as this is how things were, way before the white man stepped foot on our soil?

Our culture is our culture and there's no shame in that. Like someone pointed out earlier, cultures and trends do evolve over time. Even the foreign influences you mention have had cultural changes and are still changing. They too have nud.is.ts camps, beaches, and even towns in both Europe and the USA and they are proud to flaunt what they've got without embarassment. So who determines the shamefulness you mention?

What other alternatives were there to communal bathing? Even the Roman did it too.

That aside, my guess is that communal bathing was down to practicality and convenience. Additionally, they must have felt there was safety in numbers as per it was better for them to go as a crowd at certain times of the day rather than individually, as and when they pleased. The men being there would have provided that extra protection to their women folk and children from opportunistic raiders / kidnappers.

You still don't get it. There is nothing Western about an African lady going about her business in the hot tropical sun have undressed. It was happening long before the foreigners arrived. And there was nothing indecent about it. What's indecent are your lustful thoughts towards women dressed in what you perceive to be "inappropriate" attire.

And when you and your future sons decide to take a ppiss up your nearby tree in full public glare, isn't exhibiting your privates? Isn't that indecent too? Or is it just being liberated?

5minsmadness:

The famous cote d'ivore sex dance and the origin of the now popular 'twerking'.


Wikipedia.
Mapouka (also macouka) is a traditional dance from the Dabou area of southeast Côte d'Ivoire that originated with the Aizi, Alladian and Avikam people.[1] It is also known as "la danse du fessier" or "the dance of the behind".

The dance is mostly performed by women,[2] shaking their rear end side to side, facing away from their audience, often while bent over.

In the 1980s, artists of the Ivory Coast tried without much success to popularize it. One of the most well known groups is Tueuses de Mapouka. In 1998, the government of Côte d'Ivoire prohibited its performance in public.[3] Following the prohibition, the dance enjoyed very fast-growing global following, especially in the sub-Saharan countries and western nations with large Francophone communities.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJeUmuh2lLY

If , according to you, everyone needs to change their orientation then you are indirectly saying everyone sees it as abnormal.

There is appropriate dressing for every occasion. I wear swimming trunks when I go to the pool and nobody bats an eye. I won't because of that wear swimming trunks to work on a Monday or to travel to Lagos in a bus for that matter. What that lady was wearing was wrong, period, no matter how hot the weather was or is and the only reason she wore it without fear is because she was being 'modern' as far as I'm concerned. It was a disgusting thing for a 30something year old lady who should have had the wisdom to know better to wear.

Even when the weather is hot there are light cotton materials that are very airy and decent to wear. Also exposing your skin to direct sunlight can lead to sunburn and skin cancers especially if you are white. So saying the weather is hot or whatever is a moot point.

maybe I am.

ladygogo:

I don't live in Toronto o. I live in Winnipeg,Manitoba but i figure the weather is still pretty nice in Tdot now. That November go cold o because that week in November is when Winter officially starts. Although Tdot isnt as cold as were I am, at least they dont have to plug their cars, but I wager it will be extreme for a Londoner like you.
Yes you have to bundle up like an eskimo.

EfemenaXY:


Did I mention the word hijab in any of my posts? And before you take that post of mine out of context, can you remind us all what post it was in response to?

SAMBARRY:
you dey mind am . In fact if I wore such outfit and some angry looking women hissed at me just for them to let me know they are angry with my dressing, I will happily hiss back. After all yorubas say nkan to wunmi o wun e.meaning one man's food is another man's poison. You no like my dressing and you're angry and frowning your face like that frown will remove the dress from my body.my dear you are on a very long tin


that's how me my friends and my daughter went for one owanmbe and I decided to wear show me what your mama gave you outfit (monostrap micro mini gown) and then an older lady came from behind and tapped me saying my dear I want to talk to you hope you won't feel offended. I obliged and then she said this your dress is not decent . If you are wearing this what are you teaching this little girl pointing at wura. I didn't even allow her to finish before I and my friends pounced on her.

damiso:
OP Gym suit like this ? Me I even think except the park was air conditioned she must have been hot believe me gym suits are not the go to outfits to exude se.xiness.more like comfort wear on the days you just can't be bothered.

Chic probably wanted to be comfortable on her journey.

ladygogo:
@ coogar

oh really? thats cool.
Stay warm and dont let the frostbite bite.

coogar:


it won't bite....
if it attempts to bite, few canadian chics would suffer for it.

SAMBARRY:
You dey mind am.oniraru okunrin.gbeborun.if the place he was going to was really important, he won't have time noticing what a lady was wearing let alone scrutinise the outfit. Na their type dey strip woman nakid for mind.jeez!



what a perv

ladygogo:


yeah. lol ashewo. i was going to suggest that but it skipped my mind.

EfemenaXY:
^^ There's nothing hypocritical about what we've been saying all along.




Well, given the choice, I know which I'll prefer when presented with either of these clothes as worn by the The Dahoman Captive Egbado Omoba (from the Yewa clan of the Yoruba tribe) renamed: Sarah Forbes Bonetta - Queen Victoria's black goddaughter (1851):

***Sorry I won't be pasting the link here as the spambot has a nasty habit of banning unceremoniously - but a google search of the names will pull up the relevant pages...***

My choice? 1^st pic. It's a no contest hands-down win!

EfemenaXY:




Gathering ammunition, more like.

@carefreewannabe

Yes, the OP.

He claimed that Westerners corrupt African culture by making African women expose too much of their bodies when it was his culture that was more tolerant of na*kedness for a much longer period of time

Hypocrisy
behaviour in which somebody pretends to have moral standards or opinions that they do not actually have

Fkforyou:
. Ok,what is the mode of dressing for muslim ladies or better still what did they use to wrap themselves from head to toe?,or you don't know its called burqa\hijab and you just decided to call it an oversized tent.....I think my discuss is with you and not everybody,by the way it`s in response to haftob`s post.

5minsmadness:

We as a people are gradually losing our identity and morality. Soon we will have serialrapists aand killers, soon we will have increased incidences of teenage suicide and morbid obesity. Porn0graphy is already fully embedded in the activities of our youths. All these things that were previously alien to our culture. As if the horrors we have are not enough.

haftob:
And wen ppl see any woman who choose to be covered very well, they say she's archaic or she's boko haram or she's a religious slave, I honestly don't knw how we think! To the extent dat some secondary skul students are clamouring to have hijab as part of dia skul uniforms to cover dia hair and dia chest region(cos the skul uniforms are worn to be tight so thereby revealing the shapes of students bossoms) and some ppl are saying it's nt possible, smtin dat it's optional nt compulsory o!

EfemenaXY:


Does being wrapped from head to toe in an oversized tent provide 100% protection to women, from being rr.aped, so.do.mi.zed, or even getting killed?

EfemenaXY:
^^ There's nothing hypocritical about what we've been saying all along.




Well, given the choice, I know which I'll prefer when presented with either of these clothes as worn by the The Dahoman Captive Egbado Omoba (from the Yewa clan of the Yoruba tribe) renamed: Sarah Forbes Bonetta - Queen Victoria's black goddaughter (1851):

***Sorry I won't be pasting the link here as the spambot has a nasty habit of banning unceremoniously - but a google search of the names will pull up the relevant pages...***

My choice? 1^st pic. It's a no contest hands-down win!

EfemenaXY:


Er...you were og.li.ng all the same.

Its a gym workout suit. You know, the kind new-yorkers wear, extremely fitted and very tough but light fabric that leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination. Absolutely nothing. Her buttcrack is [size=15pt]very[/size] visible and her gluteus is covered in celulite as evidenced by the subtle bumps on her posterior. The front...OK I tried really hard not to look but curiosity got the better of me and yep; the cameltoe was on easy display for all to see. The top was better off, or maybe because I'm used to seeing skimpy tops I don't really know

Seems pretty obvious that you had a proper eyeful, and in quite a rude, lewid, way too.

You obviously have little or no respect for women. None at all. Not with the way you blatantly lusted after her the way you did. Probably turned you on too...

5minsmadness:

WAS being the active verb here. It is no longer the norm for Africans to go about naked. Do that and you risk being seen as a lunatic(like the lady of this morning). There was no way I was being hypocritical there.

Yes I have moral standards and opinions. No pretense there. And I will not be made to shut up because it is not 'modern' to speak up. What is bad is bad. The west has brought bad moral influences and it needs to stop.

5minsmadness:

But its no longer the norm now is it? You don't see ladies wearing leaves for skirts and exposing their naked puppies for men to check if they are of age now do you? Why do you like to argue so much sef? We all know what decency entails. And we all know the whites are at the forefront of promoting indecency and p0rnography and the objectification of the female body as seen in thier movies, music videos, adverts(car adverts, sports adverts, even perfume adverts! Perfume oh!) So why all this back and forth? Abegi!

5minsmadness:
Oh no they aren't. That's why the nudist caps are not open to every tom dick and Harry. That's why they have special nudist camps and special nudist beaches away from the normal camps and beaches because they know not everyone accepts their way of life.

5minsmadness:

Even in my grandpapi's clay house they had private bathrooms. It wasn't compulsory to go for communal bathing It was done more out of convenience than anything else.
What has communal bathing got to do with the topic?

5minsmadness:
Oh but of course! Please blame me for thinking 'lustful thoughts' after an indecently dressed lady waltzed perpetually before our eyes, exposing her wrinkled body for us to see. I mean, its got to be our sex starved minds that couldn't just let her be to express her freedom! Rubbish!

5minsmadness:
You have mentioned this thing before. Do you find men peeing in public particularly arousing ? Anyway I don't do such. Its not gentlemanly.

5minsmadness:

So you are saying as you are fully grown you will choose to wear the first picture that exposes your left braest? Efemena! Pics or you are talking dust!

5minsmadness:


I think it turns you on to imagine men turned on by staring at women. You've used this line of attack before, when accusing a guy of lusting after a lactating mother who opened her breaasts in the full glare of the church all in the name of breastfeeding.

Tough luck. Won't work on me.

carefreewannabe:


You are a hypocrite to claim that Nigerians have higher moral standards than other nations.

Do you wear Adidas, Nike, Vuitton, Dolce&Gabana, Hilfiger, Diesel & co?

5minsmadness:

Dafuq? When did I say that?

Bahahahahahaahahha. In this case your trap caught nothing because NO I DONT! I have never been a fashion person.

Having said that, what has that got to do with anything for goodness sake? So I should watch p0rn and walk nakid because I use things westerners invented? What kind of illogical reasoning is that? Why don't you post unclad pictures of yourself online or make a sextape since you use a phone, an invention of the white man? After all, western ladies do it all the time.

EfemenaXY:


Who said so? Do they not still dress like that for special ceremonies? Even in your village? Afterall, you did state in your earlier post that it still happens in the [size=15pt]remote[/size] parts of your village, yes?

You seem to have some fixation with whites. Does the Nigerian entertainment industry not do exactly the same? Are they forced to do so with a gun held to their heads? If people like you stop buying papers like the PUNCH to browse at the top.le.ss page 3 ladies on display, wouldn't that discourage the industry from indulging in "indecency" as you so eloquently put it? And what has this got to do with the poor woman you couldn't take your eyes off, at the bus stop?

But they're still in existence all the same - just like the naked nub.ile girls in your village.

You brought up the example of male and females bathing together at your village stream - not me. Does both sexes bathing together not constitute communal bathing? If not, then kindly educate me pls. [quote]
I brought up communal bathing to explain that in the past men could view fully grown women naked and see it as normal but westernization changed all that. It is no longer normal to see a grown woman nakeeed and so anyone giving an example of it being how we used to be in the past is giving a moot point.





[quote]Your opinion means nothing to her. It didn't stop her from going about her business, neither did it make her lose a wink of sleep that night, did it? So you obviously are the one with the problem and you therefore need to address your se.xu.a.l frustrations, rather than lash out at unsuspecting women, 5minsmadness.

Sure, I've mentioned this thing before because it's something men like you did in the past, still do, and would most likely continue to do. I don't see anyone critizing you lot for whipping and shaking your third leg in public for all to see. You lot proudly show your na.kedn.ess when you sight a tree by the roadside, and yet, you have the boldness to come down heavy on a lady that was completely covered up with her vitals all under wraps.

So who's being hypocritical here?

And for what it's worth, I find the act of a man shaking out his Will.y absolutely disgusting, contrary to what you think.

carefreewannabe:

Saying that the West corrodes our morality means that our moral standards are higher.
It is not about fashion. The brands were just examples. Do you wear Western fashion or not?
It is your logic.
You are saying that wearing a made in the West track suit corrodes our morality.

EfemenaXY:


Good point.

When the colonial masters and missionaries came back (again) after the slavery era, they (especially the women) came ashore swapped in layers upon layers of hot clothing - as per their Victorian ways of dressings.

A quick look at some of the late 19th century pictures snapped with their pin-hole cameras reveals the Africans in the villages were running around bu.tt n.aked.

Even more n.a.ke.d than the poor lady 5minmadness couldn't stop og.ling at, at the bus stop.

red101:
foolish thread created by a boko haram member. funny how anytime a thread like this is created, the first example they will use is to bash women.




don't mind the fool. He wears western clothing but hates when women wear it.
All they want to do is control women.

carefreewannabe:


It is your logic.
You are saying that wearing a made in the West track suit corrodes our morality.

carefreewannabe:


... or like this ...




Either way it is about taste and elegance and not about cultural differences.