Alexis86:

you want pastors to go out of business? na there my father take dey get money pay my school fees o

Alexis86:

lol..
i am looking for people to condemn

paxonel:
This is the mandate God gave to mankind in the beginning
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH THE EARTH , and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
So., our primary purpose on earth is to replenish this earth and God has not changed his mind about this.
How come churches are now saying that the reason why we are on earth is to win souls to prepare for rapture ?
That when rapture comes, God will take us to heaven and destroy this world?
Why will God create man in the beginning and ask him to replenish this world, only for him to come and destroy what man have put his effort to replenish over the years?
Is God that confused? (I'm speaking like a man )
I know winning soul is part of it, But it is not the main thing.

jdilight:


Rapture is not the reason for God to create man. Rapture came into place when man fail. If man trace his step back, which is unlikely. God will return to the master plan. Rapture is like plan B.

paxonel:

in other words, plan A which was to replenish this earth has been rejected by God simply because man fail and cannot trace his step back?

paxonel:

ahaahaahhahha!!!
your father na pastor?

paxonel:

they say Christ will come one day and very soon, to blow a trumpet from the cloud and gather believers to heaven, there after God will destroy this world, imagin.
i think this is a primitive concept from some ancient primitive theologians and Africa has been a victim of this misconception over the years

Iceflox:

i don't think that his father is a pastor, no pastors child behave that way

Alexis86:

how do you know that they behave well? is your father a pastor? let those who are pastors children tell you how pastors children behave

Image123:


i think you missed out the rest of what was said. Here it is.

Christ will come one day and very soon, to blow a trumpet from the cloud and gather believers to heaven. After this, there would be great tribulation and the antichrist's reign on earth for some time. After this, Jesus will come with the believers and reign on this earth for about 1000years, during which there will be peace and prosperity, and multiplying and replenishing and etcs. Then satan would again deceive some people and, there after God will destroy this world. And God would put all the righteous humans in the new/other world/earth and they will live happily ever after.

paxonel:


exactly!
this is the complete idea. but i have not seen any biblical stand that portray this story which looks like tales from Jewish mythology.
the question i am asking is, why will God want to put righteous people in a new world and destroy this world? is it not this same world he asked man to replenish in the beginning?
even we humans, we don't do anything without reason, we don't go about building houses only to later destroy our houses without any reason.
Adam commiting sin is never a good reason why God will want to destroy the world

jdilight:


No, but the men who don't live according to the world will have another place to stay after death. You need to understand that man was not meant to die.

Image123:


Everything i just told you is in the Bible.
God wants to destroy this world because He has found it irredemable and He wants to make something better. That is His reason.

paxonel:

where in the Bible?

Iceflox:

its either you are not a pastors child or you simply lark home training

Image123:


Aargh, Genesis to Revelation. Haba.
What do you want to know if it is in the Bible? If i show you, would you then accept it and believe it, or am i about to waste my time?

Image123:


Everything i just told you is in the Bible.
God wants to destroy this world because He has found it irredemable and He wants to make something better. That is His reason.

paxonel:

i have no reason to doubt you,

Christ will come one day and very soon, to blow a trumpet from the cloud and gather believers to heaven.

After this, there would be great tribulation and the antichrist's reign on earth for some time.

After this, Jesus will come with the believers and reign on this earth for about 1000years, during which there will be peace and prosperity, and multiplying and replenishing and etcs.

Then satan would again deceive some people and, there after God will destroy this world. And God would put all the righteous humans in the new/other world/earth and they will live happily ever after.

Alexis86:

I thought Christ died to redeem the world? how is the world then irredeemable?

Image123:

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1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.




Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.




Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,




Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Image123:


He died to redeem the world i.e humans, not the world i.e earth.

paxonel:

ok,
who is the Antichrist? is Antichrist the same thing as the beast?

Alexis86:

ok., what you are saying is, the creature is irredeemable, But man is redeemable?

Image123:

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1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.




Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.




Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,




Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Image123:

Yes.

Image123:


Earth planet earth.

paxonel:

ok,
who is the Antichrist? is Antichrist the same thing as the beast?

Alexis86:

i think image is making a point there

Image123:


He died to redeem the world i.e humans, not the world i.e earth.

Alexis86:

ok., what you are saying is, the creature is irredeemable, But man is redeemable?

Image123:

Earth planet earth.

Alexis86:

creature or planted earth, it's still the same thing, because the earth is God's creation

Alexis86:

and the image of the Antichrist or mark of the beast who will deceive people is a spirit, which is satan himself that was later cast into the lake of fire?

chinziaski:
On that day, many people will shed tears.

The foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of men.

You all have successfully misinterpreted the scriptures so that you can dwell in your weakness.

Brothers, strive for righteousness because the hour and time you may not know. For He said, I will come like a thief in the night.

The world will come to an end, because the world is not perfect and is filled with sin. Our Lord is the lord of Perfection. There will be a time when perfection will come and imperfection will disappear.

urheme:


noted




good question



confused




they can't be the same, image is confusing you, he just stated above that only humans is redeemable,

abeg mr image please come up with a more credible story



revelation is a prophecy or dream of event that was reveal to some one, it does not necessarily means that it will happen, when you have a bad dream as a Christian you use prayers and cancel it.

we human beings are the anti Christ and the beast is inside us, the people who said they should crucify Jesus, what do you call them because I call them anti Christ. they have actually multiplied in our present generation and are majorly found in churches, some pastors today are the beast with seven heads because that is how filthy their conscience is.

the reality of revelation is film trick. it stands abolished for me.

the good thing is that, Christian or not we will all be punished by death, and the legacy you leave behind is what matters and may likely live for ever.

so, let us create a good name for our selves and make the world a better place instead of hoping to see the end