Let's compare V6 AND V4 Engines. I learnt V6 cars are difficult to maintain

adamawa:

Let's compare V6 AND V4 Engines. I learnt V6 cars are difficult to maintain

Which one be V4 again?

well. for my guy above, there are a number of ways for cylinder arrangements in an engine,

- inline arrangement, ( as the name suggests the cylinders are arranged in a straight line,  which is very common with most engines from way back when, )


- V arrangement ( cylinders in V arrangement,  try to picture each cylinder at an angle rather than being vertical


- boxer arrangement (cylinders are actually horizontal, although very rare, was made famous by the ferrari dino if i'm right)

now thats out of the way, 


three main points to compare them will be performance, economy and longetivity,

the V6 engine craps all over the I4 when it comes to performance,  and thats about it,

I4 will give you very good fuel economy and it generally out lives a V6









there is nothing wrong with V6 engines only the added fuel consumption of two extra cylinders

having said that, there are a couple of myths running around about V6 engines and gear box of babyboy,  the truth is the original design of that gear box is for the I4 engine,  so you have this V6 engine hammering down on the poor little gear box,  after a few years of use and poor driving skills (aka "reving" like crazy) the damn thing packs up,

@thanks for the clarifications, thats why i keep saying that this site is the best.
Deviation
A friend of mine that bought a Honda baby boy not too long was introduced to this site, after going through and running the VIN check ran mad and carried a war to the dealer for selling salvaged accidented car to him in the name of clean cha cha car.
We learn everyday sha and there are still more to explore.

@ Igwe, na wa for u sef!

@ poster, we have 4 cylinders, 6 cylinders (V6), 8 cylinders (V8) et al.

We, however, don't call the 4 cylinders V4.

The 4 cylinders are easier to maintain, more fuel efficient but the V6s are more powerful!

Oops,  Bros, I  thought as much but technology can change overnight.  ,  though hes argument is quite logical but not necessary the truth.
Do we assume; its like a case of a blind man leading another blind man.

Pls let's not mix it up.4 CYLINDERS & 6 CYLINDERS. I want to know if it is wise to use V6 in Nigeria considering the fact that some "BIG CARS" come only in V6. Is Toyota V6 better than Honda?

Why are Nigerians running away from V6? Is true that when V6 is faulty,the whole engine will be changed?

HONEST OPINION, My colleague just bought Toyota Avalon and people are condemning him

Ma$e:

@ Igwe, na wa for u sef!

@ poster, we have 4 cylinders, 6 cylinders (V6), 8 cylinders (V8) et al.

We, however, don't call the 4 cylinders V4.

The 4 cylinders are easier to maintain, more fuel efficient but the V6s are more powerful!

not quite true my friend,  the V has nothing to do with the number of cylinders but the cylinder orientation. like i explained earlier. they could be set in a V shape or an INline or boxer,  the number coming after the V tells you how many cylinders it has,  it is that simple,


can u see the "V" shape?


i hope this helps you out,

[img]http://imgs4.images.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hrdp_0611_20_z+1972_chevy_nova+inline_6_stocker.jpg[/img]
notice the straight line the engine takes,  example of Inline4


typical boxer 8, or Flat 8

there is however, another type of engine,  but it doenst use the piston and cylinder arrangement. its know as the rotary engine,  made famous by the mazda RX8


engine of a 2004 mazda RX8, observe clearly, u'll notice it has no piston and cylinder arrangement

v6 engines are more expensive 2 maintain plus they sip more fuel cos of their capacity. I will suggest a 4 cylinder engine if u do a lot of city driving. Also, a lot of Naija mechanics haven't got a hang of v6 engines!

v6 engines = 6 cylinders, they have 2 more cylinders than the 4 cylinders hence consume more fuel (dt explains a 4 cylinder nissan altima with a 2.5litre engine consuming less fuel than its 3.5 litre, v6 counterpart). I'll re-emphasize v6 engines are more complicated, sip more fuel and are more expensive 2 maintain.

@ area boy, tnx 4 ur contribution. I was trying 2 explain dt the v6 engines have 6 cylinders, we wer not talking abt d orientation but the number of cylinders. d more d cylinders, d more powerful d engine, and vthe complicated it gets 4 our mechanics here, plus more fuel too. abi? pls correct me if am wrong. Also do we have d v- orientation for 4 cylinder engines? thanx

adamawa:

please let's not mix it up.4 CYLINDERS & 6 CYLINDERS. I want to know if it is wise to use V6 in Nigeria considering the fact that some "BIG CARS" come only in V6. Is Toyota V6 better than Honda?

Why are Nigerians running away from V6? Is true that when V6 is faulty,the whole engine will be changed?

HONEST OPINION, My colleague just bought Toyota Avalon and people are condemning him

are nigerians running away from V6?,  i don't think so my good man,  that is only true with the babyboy V6,  and we all know the reason why the gearbox is so crappy,  but give me a toks babyboy V6 and i'll use it for  5 years with no problem at all,  it all falls down to driving style and regular maint,  don't stress your gearbox, all in the name of showing off your cars ability to accelerate,



back to V6 toyota and V6 honda,  which is better??  hmmm,  hard to choose,

new honda and toyota now come with i-vtec, vti vtec, and vvti

Vtec - valve timing electronically controlled,  or more accurately "Variable valve timing and electronic lift control"
Vvti - Variable valve timing inteligence,  or more accurately "Variable valve timing with Inteligence"

i-vtec  - Intelligent v-tec,

that behind us, let me give u a rule of thumb,

vtec -  power
vvti - fuel economy


in terms of power, the vtec craps all over the vvti,  however these days, people are more drawn to fuel economy,

your last question is pretty ambiguous. faulty V6 = total engine change

so if i have a bad piston/rings i have to change my entire engine??
or if i have a problem with my injector, i change entire engine

mbaa nu,  it is not like that *with a strong igbo accent* hehehe, 

anyway,  what year is the avalon? anything after 2004 should be great,  condem him for what,  the bastards are just hating,  becuase its not a popular car,  listen my good man,  which ever car you get it all comes down to

20% initial luck on getting a car in good condition
10% in driving style
5% road condition
65% regular maintenance,

so care for your car guys,  and your car will serve you until u want no more of it,

the first engine pic i put up is a V4, count the number of plugs 

@are_boy, what a nice illustration & vivid explanation of engine arraignment, u sound much more like student of( "engine size 101")good job my brother. lol
@adamawa, i think nigerians are ruining away from V6 vehicles because of the simple fact that most of our mechanics are self learning quacks, that can easy mess with 4cylinders vehicles, but always find it much more complexes to deal with huge sizes like v6, v8 , this big engines are something that one need to go to real classes to deal with not common roadside meco!

FLORIDACAR:

@are_boy, what a nice illustration & vivid explanation of engine arraignment, u sound much more like student of( "engine size 101"good job my brother. lol
@adamawa, i think nigerians are ruining away from V6 vehicles because of the simple fact that most of our mechanics are self learning quacks, that can easy mess with 4cylinders vehicles, but always find it much more complexes to deal with huge sizes like v6, v8 , this big engines are something that one need to go to real classes to deal with not common roadside meco!

lol, i did that in my first degree, now on engine size 201 in my masters

@ area boy, am proly doing course 101, lol.

How come its strange to hear people (like inspired, jenju, viperman, babeisme et al)
advertise cars as V4, they always say 4 cylinders but always refer to 6 cylinders as v6.

It's conventional to hear 4 cylinders and very odd to hear v4, and I have NEVR found v4 inscribed behind any car too!
Though its 4 cylinders.

Catch my drift?

@Ma$e Probably what was meant was I4 as in inline/straight 4. U are quite rite most 4 cyl cars will not carry a V config.

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Ma$e:

@ area boy, am proly doing course 101, lol.

How come its strange to hear people (like inspired, jenju, viperman, babeisme et al)
advertise cars as V4, they always say 4 cylinders but always refer to 6 cylinders as v6.

It's conventional to hear 4 cylinders and very odd to hear v4, and I have NEVR found v4 inscribed behind any car too!
Though its 4 cylinders.

Catch my drift?

- it is not a V4 but rather just an inline 4 like lord_reed rightly pointed out, an this is more likely the case


but the arguement was initially comparing V4 to V6 so i took the liberty to pour out my puny well of knowledge on my fav topic.

hey area boy bros,i m into the sales of cars (pre-order) iv been here for a some months and believe me no one has illustrated cars and there engine the way u just did,i think i have a lot to learn from you.
thanx bro people like you are highly appreciate by mi.
i think i need lessons from this bros

@ area boy bros, thanx, there's love in SHARING knowledge.

@ AREA BOY

THE AVALON IS 2000,

i'm pretty glad to be of help here,

so any questions on engines and gear boxex,  please lets hear them and i promise to sort it out for you,

and oh,  alongside my knowledge on engines, i'm also into car sound system love-vendor up's
that is with 10" - 15" subwoofers and amplifiers(dual channel, tri channel and even mono block amp) to make your neighbours and other drivers go "wtf,  that guy has a club on wheels"

mean while,  i'm not too familiar with the 2000 avalon,  i'll do my research and let you know

Area_boy:

i'm pretty glad to be of help here,

so any questions on engines and gear boxex,  please lets hear them and i promise to sort it out for you,

and oh,  alongside my knowledge on engines, i'm also into car sound system love-vendor up's
that is with 10" - 15" subwoofers and amplifiers(dual channel, tri channel and even mono block amp) to make your neighbours and other drivers go "wtf,  that guy has a club on wheels"

mean while,  i'm not too familiar with the 2000 avalon,  i'll do my research and let you know

Good to know we ave sumone like you to give us the 411. Hay do you know anything bout the ford mondeo? my frend got a used one 96 model saloon automatic transmission and aint even enjoyd it for 3 months when the gear box crapped out!! now he need to change it. what do you suggest? Then about sound systems i own a golf 3 96 model . what do you think you can hook it up with? I already ave an lg cd player with an i pod attachment. Can you give me a rundown of how much it will st me back and how posible it is for you to get them accross to me?

oblo:


Good to know we ave sumone like you to give us the 411. Hay do you know anything bout the ford mondeo? my frend got a used one 96 model saloon automatic transmission and aint even enjoyd it for 3 months when the gear box crapped out!! now he need to change it. what do you suggest? Then about sound systems i own a golf 3 96 model . what do you think you can hook it up with? I already ave an lg cd player with an i pod attachment. Can you give me a rundown of how much it will st me back and how posible it is for you to get them accross to me?

man,  thats the shitty thing about auto transmission,  when they wana act like a bitch, they really do,  after three months  and it packed up, previous owner wasn't being very upfront with you guys,  gear boxex normally give you warnings espesially auto gears,

some good signs you have to look out for an auto gearbox going bad

-  gear downshifts by itself when u going down a hill
-  gear acts funny when u try to put it in D,  or even gives u a hard time getting it in
-  gear takes time to up, when u are not reving hard (this can be quite tricky to notic)
-  takes longer than normal to pick when u put it from D to R and back again to D,  (really don't know how to explain this well)

anyway,  now that the deed has been done, lets find a solution, 
first of all, ford mondeo is a pretty good car,  it even got car of the year some years back or nominated or something like that if my mind serves me nice,  so its pretty good,  well,  he should just change it if he has a few extra quids to spare and get a trusted mechanic to do buying and installation. mechanics are always trying to cheat you wherever you are,  whether in Nigeria, Australia, USA or anywhere else, 

well,  thats the beauty of manual gear boxes,  the main problem u have to look at for will be clutch and its disks,


on the issue of pimping your car audio out,  your player sounds pretty damn good. hmm where you at?, u'll need an added amp and a 12"sub to feel the kick. thats about it,

there are some good low budget subs and amps out there,  like i said again,  your location will tell how easy u can get yourself tricked out ,
well in australia, 150-200 dollars will get you a very good system including cables to wire it up. then maybe u'll need an electrician to help u fix it up that is if u can't DIY because its very simple.

when i was in port harcourti checked out the electronics area at "ilabuchi" (pardon my spelling) and got a fairly ok amp,  with a make shift sub and then checked how much it will cost to build a box for the sub,  everything fell under 20k Naira,  small price to pay to have the baddest sound system in town,  hehehehe,  i believe i can get better deals in lagos but i havent tried checking out there yet,

below is a pic of what i have in mind when i say sub and amp system

the sub itself  aka magnet

the empty box,  better get a specialist to do it,  someone that deals with mdf and all that,

the amp

Area boy thanks a lot. you gave me a heads up for real. My frend has to plan geting a new gear box!! is it advisable to convert his mondeo to manual transmission? it can be done right?

Area_Bros, you are just great with all the enlightenment you have give on the topic at hand. Thank you so much.

You might also be of help to me as well. I am about choosing to buy a 2003 NISSAN Pathfinder or Toyota Camry from USA. I am particular about fuel economy, cost of maintenance and the durability of the car. This is my second car from Mec 190. Please can you advice on possible precautions if I have to go ahead to buy. You may also recommend other options you may want me to take up or explore in order to get the desire car.

Thanks again for the tutorial.

oblo:

Area boy thanks a lot. you gave me a heads up for real. My frend has to plan geting a new gear box!! is it advisable to convert his mondeo to manual transmission? it can be done right?

well it would be nice to know the mondeo model (glx, si, lx and what have you), that way i can tell the engine size and type of gearbox it has,

anyway, it can be done, if he doesnt mind the added stress manual gearbox brings , again, a good mechanic (trusted one) will be your savior on this one,

susuman:

Area_Bros, you are just great with all the enlightenment you have give on the topic at hand. Thank you so much.

You might also be of help to me as well. I am about choosing to buy a 2003 NISSAN Pathfinder or Toyota Camry from USA. I am particular about fuel economy, cost of maintenance and the durability of the car. This is my second car from Mec 190. Please can you advice on possible precautions if I have to go ahead to buy. You may also recommend other options you may want me to take up or explore in order to get the desire car.

Thanks again for the tutorial.

most car dealers will agree with me that the toyota will be a better buy, but then again we are comparing a 4x4 to a family sedan, they both have diff qualities,

but in terms of fuel econmy and cheap maint, go for the camry,

as for precautions, you would have noticed by now how important VIN numbers are, that way u can check the car out for any hidden stuff,
for auto transmission, just follow my guideline above,
but i can bet my grandma on a toyota, they have very sound gearbox, i will go for the camry, but thats just my preference,

well like i said, get two family sized sedans of your choice i can help you out easily,


talking about other options u might wana check out, it all comes down to your budget


Now after getting a good car, the durability lies in your hands, maint maint maint, i have to stress how important this is,
take care of your car, and it will sure take care of you,

Cheers, !!

@area boy

Abeg, explain that VIN check again for me because I no really sabi am.

most cars if not all after a certain year, i think 2000 or 1998(not so sure) have an identification number that enables u track the vehicles history. all you need do is copy the number and get to a website to check that number,

most website will require you to pay a premium of some sort before they release the details to u, but there are some other ways to get it, some say its hacking, so i'm not at liberty to disclose that here,

anyway, there are some guys on this website that can help u check it for free, u must have seen some posts( i think they are pinned to the first page) where folks offer to check a vehicle Identification number(VIN) for you.

try to use it all the time, it helps,

[table]but i can bet my grandma on a toyota, they have very sound gearbox, i will go for the camry, but thats just my preference,

well like i said, get two family sized sedans of your choice i can help you out easily, [/table]

Area_bros! Thanks for the insight again.

My challenge is that I am not conversant with the auto systems not to talk of the Toyota CAMRY Sedan models. Honestly I see lots of camry on the road of diffrent shapes, designs etc. Some with XLE, Some with LE, etc. If you dont mind, just recommend two family sized within 2000 and 2004 years models. Please let your choice be based on fuel economy, durability, space and performance. I will go for your kind recommendations.

Then what do you think about Toyota Highlander series and what model of between 2002 - 2005 is the boom. Thank you in anticipation.

susuman (milkman, as susu is milk in some language). hehehe,

well, that aside, the toyota kluger (hihglander) in my own opinion is a cheap spin off of the 4runner, toyota didnt know what else to do, so they remade their strongest 4x4 (besides the landcruiser) and gave it another name, sometimes i see a highlander on the road and i go "nice 4runner" but when the car passes i'm now like "wtf, its not a 4runner" .

Highlander is still a new car (just like avensis and the rest), they only have two generations of Highlander ,

- the 2001- 2007 look
- the 2008 - present ,

well, during the 7 years of the first generation, a few twicks have been made to make the car even better, so for you choice between 2002-2005, i'll say go for 2004 or even 2005 (they both use a very powerful 3.3L v6 engine), either of them will be just about the same thing, it is a very good car, given that its just a 4runner with a different name lol, i've driven a 4runner for so long and the only thing i've as much as fixed is my master cylinder and thats due to the dumb accident i had,

all in all, the highlander is a good car, if the cash won't limit you though i'll say go for the 4runner (God i love that car )


well, for nigeria now, its all about toyota's and honda's, and i wont advice you otherwise, the simple reason is cost of maint, its a lot cheaper to fix up a honda or toyota in nigeria than it is almost any other car,

why don't you consider a 2004-2007 toyota corolla or a honda civic, both cars will give you what u need, fuel economy, durability, space and performance, and the price of both cars are pretty resonable,

of the two, i'll go for the civic, its sexy, plus a little more gadgets in it than the coroller, my car dealer brothers help me out on this one,

Area_bros,
Ese gidi gooooooo! May your wife born twin! You will have more knowledge that will launch you into something great you never anticipated!

I have learnt so much so far and I am about deciding on what car to buy with so much knowlegde acquired so far. Coutessy of AREA_BROS. Thanks man.

The last huddle to decide on to choose between what would have bee my wife's choice (Your recommendation: Toyota Highlander 2004) and my perceived choice which is your recommendation (Hinda CIVIC 2004 0r 2005). If you are in my shoes which will you choose considering the following factors:

- Iam hoping to travel long journeys with the choice car (may be 3 or 4 times in a year)
- I intend to use as regular car for going to work in Lagos
- I should use it for family endeavours
- The air conditioner should work always and not affect it fuel consumption as much.

Then could you kindly suggest (if you have an idea) the cost of the Highlander and the Honda Civic (of 2004 and 2005).

Thank you so much.

I FIND YOU THIS SOMEWHERE IN NEWJERSEY @ $12,000 + $2100 SHIPMENT .