Mondisweets:
definitely, like I said he had the right to retaliate but it had to be within reasonable and justifiable means.

Mondisweets:
but he was breaking the law by causing public disturbance.

I checked in the English dictionary and it is still defined as, " an offensive way of reffering to a woman, especially in an unpleasant way."

self defence and private defence are a ground of justification in hundreds of other countries all over the world too not just the state of New York. And in all these countries and states that have self defence and private defence as a ground of justification they come with limitations too

I'm sure you remember the other incident where a Cleveland bus driver sucker-punched a lady after she spit on his face. do tell me why he was charged with assault, even though he wasn't the one who started the attack? CCTV will not help you if you assault affects or hurts other people in the club who are not part of your fight, stop lying. Crimes deal with the public interests and not just individual interests.

let me give you another example if I pay you to kill someone and you succeed. we will both be charged with murder (despite the fact that I wasn't the one who actually killed the person) because I had influence on the commission of the crime. that's all it takes

Mondisweets:
definitely, like I said he had the right to retaliate but it had to be within reasonable and justifiable means.

kandiikane:


Stop bringing in irrelevant points into the case. We are speaking on what we see in the video. All the people who got hit were those who jumped on him. Those are the facts as we see them. This isn't about even getting damages/remedies but females being charged for assault.
I don't know where you live but here is the statement made by a judge(Lord morris) in the UK in the case of (palmer) 1971,

Again, He tried removing himself from the situation, The guy was not in her face or behaving in a threatening manner that required her to lash out. He did what would have been instinctively necessary in a moment like that.

BananaBender:


The fact that she hit him first, isn't justifiable enough??

He was ready to go about his business after that slap until the foolish white knight came out of no where to defend his ghetto friend.

coogar:


he retaliated in self defence. would the man have smacked the girl if she didn't hit him first? he was even walking away & she whacked his head after he turned his back on her. the man is the victim.



when was that dictionary published?
even the word "bad" these days means good.



not this time, my dear attorney.
the man stood his ground. he was retreating & he got whacked. you also seem to forget the babe slapped the camera out of someone's hand just because he made a passing comment

she verbally & physically abused this man. they dissed his 8-ball jacket before all other passengers on the train. what was he meant to do? if he didn't retaliate, the bïtch would have hit him the 2nd or the 3rd time.




i don't remember this incident - was this before SYG law or after? if it was before 2005 then it doesn't apply to this case. SYG law states you have a duty not to retreat & defend yourself in the face of imminent threat to life.



who doesn't know this before?
paying me to kill is even worse - it's become a conspiracy. it was well thought out, planned & strategised. of course, it's murder and its got nothing to do with a spontaneous reaction in a self defence situation.

freecocoa:
Yea she did,more than once, that girl is really crazy, it's just a small pity that captain-save-a-hoe(thanks BABE3) chop better beating pass her.

Lanister:


When it comes to insulting a man grown man, they are not termed fragile. But when they are beaten, they become fragile. As long as a single woman can give birth to 18 children, is than one fragility?, I'm sick of this feminist theorists (radical) talking nonsense

coogar:


the man videotaping it said "don’t nobody wear steve maddens no more" and he got his phone slapped from his hands & rushed by 4 hoodrats.

and it's true, those shoes are old school - less than $50 in most shops. she was dissing the man's jacket because she had archaic steve maddens' shoes?

only in america....

Mondisweets:
I still am. what degree do you have?

coogar:


he retaliated in self defence. would the man have smacked the girl if she didn't hit him first? he was even walking away & she whacked his head after he turned his back on her. the man is the victim.

when was that dictionary published?
even the word "bad" these days means good.

not this time, my dear attorney.
the man stood his ground. he was retreating & he got whacked. you also seem to forget the babe slapped the camera out of someone's hands just because he made a passing comment.

she verbally & physically abused this man. they dissed his 8-ball jacket before all other passengers on the train. what was he meant to do? if he didn't retaliate, the bïtch would have hit him the 2nd or the 3rd time.

i don't remember this incident - was this before SYG law or after? if it was before 2005 then it doesn't apply to this case. SYG law states you have a duty not to retreat & defend yourself in the face of imminent threat to life.

who doesn't know this before?
paying me to kill is even worse - it's become a conspiracy. it was well thought out, planned & strategised. of course, it's murder and its got nothing to do with a spontaneous reaction in a self defence situation.

freecocoa:


Yet she had the nerves to say his jacket was from the 90's, she was feeling like one superstar cos she had stup1d friends egging her on, she didn't want to disappoint them, Chai! I wonder what captain-save-a-hoe's face look like by now, that girl fit no see clearly for weeks .

kandiikane:

law
Stop copying your friends notes and actually read by yourself.
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kandiikane:

law

Stop copying your friends notes and actually read by yourself.
if you were being attacked by that many people I don't see how a reasonable man would be thinking about the person that didn't hit him.

The level of forced used was reasonable.
There is no evidence of death or serious injury
the force was applied the same way it was received. There were no use of weapons
He didn't premeditate the violence

These are all answers from questions that will be asked if public interest was to be considered.

Stop defending these women because I know you are doing so because they are women. They should be addressed as humans and their actions assessed as so.

SirShymex:
Cray!!

kandiikane:

law

Stop copying your friends notes and actually read by yourself.
if you were being attacked by that many people I don't see how a reasonable man would be thinking about the person that didn't hit him.

The level of forced used was reasonable.
There is no evidence of death or serious injury
the force was applied the same way it was received. There were no use of weapons
He didn't premeditate the violence

These are all answers from questions that will be asked if public interest was to be considered.

Stop defending these women because I know you are doing so because they are women. They should be addressed as humans and their actions assessed as so.

Mondisweets:
lets be frank with each other all you want to hear me say is "she is wrong, he is not" abi?

was his intention of using the word "b*tch" a good one?

well... he was taking a private video which she did not give him permission to do so, but I will agree you that slapping the phone/ camera was uncalled for. she could have requested him to stop politely.

okay I thought that was a little funny , but she also looked like she shops from a 99cent store anyway. Just to clarify this, he called her a b*tch before she physically attacked.

a slap is even not "life threatening" its just causing harm. life threatening would be something that can cause serious injury or death. Ummm even courts always use previous cases to give judgement in a case presently before them too

I put the most relevant part in bold, which has having influence in the commission of a crime

Mondisweets:
HOW MANY TIMES WILL I SAY SHE TOO WAS AT FAULT AND SHE COMMITTED A CRIME there is something called joint wrongdoers look it up! I really don't understand what your problem is sef

freecocoa:
He's justified na, did you see the video? He slapped her and then her friends came at him, what was he supposed to do?

BananaBender:


Dude, heard what Pierce Morgan had to say about the 'N word' dying? Twitter went ballistic yesterday.

Mondisweets:
I respect you as a woman and I don't understand why you have to make it personal, because I never wanted to take it there in the first place. lets stick to the purpose of the thread.

so was the harm caused on the other passengers "was applied as it was received"?

Mondisweets:
I respect you as a woman ...........

coogar:


he retaliated in self defence. would the man have smacked the girl if she didn't hit him first?


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SirShymex:


I saw it this morning.

Piers Morgan has always been a freaking bell, with the IQ of a panda.

I just hate when folks have no knowledge of history, nor understand the cultural experience and a struggle of a certain demographic, think they have an opinion on something that's deeper than they can ever understand. Well, it comes with white privilege, ignorance, and having a platform (though not deserved) to speak.

He did that nonsense for ratings, shiity mouth having weasel.

BananaBender:


aawww Mondi

Don't mind kandiikane, she's been inhaling too much salicylic acid.

coogar:


he's not wrong - he did what i would expect of any man.



yes....he wasn't threatening or jeering at her. he asked why she's behaving abnormally? did the guy with the camera call her a bïtch before he got his camera slapped off?

the train is a public transport. the use of camera in a public place isn't prohibited. he's well within his rights to use his phone as he deems please. there's nothing "private" in a public place.

she physically attacked the dude videotaping & he didn't call her a bïtch. it then shows this woman did by need to be provoked to act out wildly. she wanted drama & she got one

and getting whacked with a pair of shoes to the head cannot cause bodily harm? do you know where those shoes have stepped on? why did she do it when he turned his back? that's what made the retaliation spontaneous. if the dude had seen it coming, he would have blocked her and the matter would have ended there & then.

apples & oranges!
even the cleveland bus driver was another apples & oranges case. the bus driver didn't act out spontaneously thus cannot claim self defence.

when he got spat on.....he was driving & continued driving till he found somewhere to park and then sucker-punched his attacker. he could have called the police in that brief gap. attacking the girl later seems premeditated.

wonlasewonimi:


How can you have gender equality when one gender cannot piss into a bottle without spillage.

SirShymex:


I saw it this morning.

Piers Morgan has always been a freaking bell, with the IQ of a panda.

I just hate when folks have no knowledge of history, nor understand the cultural experience and a struggle of a certain demographic, think they have an opinion on something that's deeper than they can ever understand. Well, it comes with white privilege, ignorance, and having a platform (though not deserved) to speak.

He did that nonsense for ratings, shiity mouth having weasel.

kandiikane:

lol

@Mondisweets I apologise if you took offence to that statement but I use to get that a lot when I use to do group work, people failed to read and come to argue with irrelevant points.

Remember this is a criminal case and not a tortious one, don't confuse the two.

BananaBender:


You, like most ppl are just pissed "a white man is talking about the African American culture". A small percentage are the ones actually discussing the problem with his solution and how it probably doesn't solve anything.