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Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:02pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
CANTICLES: In other words, you are not Jehovah true witnessess since you have saviours other than Jehovah God. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by CAPTIVATOR: 8:10pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
@ op .......... Pls explain 1cor 15:24-28 for this thread ooooo |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:21pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
CAPTIVATOR: Start answering the pertinent and imperative questions on page 1 of this thread. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by An2elect2(f): 10:32pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
MrPresident1: Sir, the scriptures no where ever defined God as a unity. Stop it! Its so clear that our God is one Lord from the old testament down to the new testament. What other stronger term could God have used in consistently describing Himself as one singular(Lord) Spirit? |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by An2elect2(f): 10:49pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Well,the Word of God is God himself John 1:1 Where does the trinity fit in Sir? |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by MrPresident1: 10:51pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
An2elect2: Sir, God is one. But in the kingdom of God, we will all be Gods. Ezekiel 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by An2elect2(f): 10:52pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Wait, do you agree that Jesus is also the Father? |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by An2elect2(f): 11:06pm On Nov 20, 2014 |
MrPresident1: Oh my! what blasphemy!!! you? you who was made out of dust? you who had a beginning? you who is like a worm? Did i just read this nonsense you just typed? That "we" will all be Gods? After reading the whole book of Isaiah you came to this? didn't Isaiah 43:10 even struck you. Haaaar liar. You quote scriptures like your father. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:08am On Nov 21, 2014 |
An2elect2: No. He is the Son.
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Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:31am On Nov 21, 2014 |
An2elect2: Let us consider this John 1:1 to find out: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The simple logic of this verse can be summed up as thus: THE WORD = GOD In John 1:14 it states: "The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us." From these verses we can deduce the following: JESUS = THE WORD Simple logic declares that if A = B and B = C then A = C. Therefore, since JESUS = THE WORD and THE WORD = GOD, then JESUS = GOD 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by CANTICLES: 1:42pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
CAPTIVATOR:Brother , I Really Enjoyed My Time With You !!! But The Truth Is the op will keep givin excuses, He will neva dare explain that scripture u gave him bcoz he will be EXPOSED ! |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by Yooguyz: 1:53pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
CANTICLES:CAPTIVATOR:Brother , |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:55pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
CANTICLES: If you don't understand John 1:1 what gives you the impression that you've got a clue on what 1 Cor. 15:24-28 is all about? "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction" (2 Peter 3:15-16). |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:00pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Yooguyz: The wind has blown... 1 Like |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by CANTICLES: 2:08pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
Yooguyz:lier ! Why d insertion of what is not mine .... Like father like son , " father d devil, is a lier" john 8:44 !!! u still ignorantly thought am Bernimoore ..... Go back to his thread as he clarifies himself , and i see d op absorbing ur lies hook and sinker bcoz he wants to divert the thread and avoid the question Captivator Gave Him |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by Yooguyz: 2:36pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by Yooguyz: 2:39pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
CANTICLES: Could please re-list the E1 to E5 allegations i am to debunk? I have my proof with me. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by An2elect2(f): 3:37pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Well am not doubting Christ's deity cos He is God. Clearly stated in the scriptures. What i want to know is if you belief Christ to be a separate person from the Father. Just be clear pls. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by An2elect2(f): 3:47pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Okay. Who is God in John:1:1? The Father or the 'Trinity'? "In the beginning was the Word(Son), the Word(Son) was with God(Father) and the Word(Son) was God(Father)" or "In the beginning was the Word(Son), the Word(Son) was with God(Trinity) and the Word(Son) was God(Trinity). Son=Father Son=Trinity. That's logic right there. 1 Like |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:49pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
An2elect2: You ask that question because you don't understand the doctrine of the Trinity. God is both personal and plural. The Father is God. The Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God and yet there is One God or rather One God in three Persons. Study the diagram I posted earlier for clarification. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:20pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
CANTICLES: Captivator being captivated. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by RikoduoSennin(m): 6:50pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Please tell me What kind of God is Jesus? Because; John 1:2 "He (Jesus) was in the beginning WITH GOD"--- How is that possible? Was the word with himself? Or was he with someone else called God? If the latter, was God (Jesus/word) with another God (Not Jesus/Word)? If so how many God are there? John 1:14 - Jesus was seen with his glory. What kind of Glory was that? The Glory of/belonging to a God? Or to a "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of THE FATHER", what does "Begotten" mean in English dictionary?. John 1:18 "No one has seen God: THE ONLY SON, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known". Compare John 6:46 "Not anyone has seen the Father except him who is FROM GOD (Jehovah); he has seen the Father. Many men saw Jesus, So which kind of God is Jesus again? What kind of God is Jesus if he clearly called Jehovah "THE ONLY TRUE GOD" @ John 17:3, surely there must other false God's if there is an only true one. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by MrPresident1: 9:38pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
An2elect2: Lol. you are too quick mouthed. A simple question for you... When God pours His spirit upon you, what do you become? |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by Nobody: 10:09pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: he was simply saying he was a hoax just like his acclaimed father. they both never existed. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:42pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
RikoduoSennin: What you should be asking is: what does it mean to call Jesus the Son of God? Does the title applied to Jesus, Son of God, imply that He is different than God? No. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), while Christians are adopted sons of God (Romans 8:15-17). Christians are called adopted sons of God because we are different from God and must become His children (hence, adopted, not begotten). Jesus is not called adopted because He never became God's Son, but has always been God's Son. Calling Jesus the only begotten Son of God means that He is of the same nature as God, not a different nature, as C.S. Lewis explains: "To beget is to become the father of: to create is to make. And the difference is this. When you beget, you beget something of the same kind as yourself. A man begets human babies, a beaver begets little beavers, But when you make, you make something of a different kind from yourself. A bird makes a nest, a beaver builds a dam . . . Now that is the first thing to get clear. What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man. What God creates is not God, just as what man makes is not man. That is why men are not Sons of God in the sense that Christ is. They may be like God in certain ways, but they are not things of the same kind." There is a clear distinction between making and begetting, that is, you cannot make what you beget. What you make is different from yourself, what you beget has your nature. Therefore to call Jesus the only begotten Son is to say that He has God's nature and was not made. Since He has God's nature, He is, by definition, God and therefore eternal. If Jesus was created by God, He could not have been begotten, and John 3:16; 1:18, 1 John 4:9, etc. are in error. Therefore, when the Bible says that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, it means that Jesus is equal to God, not less than God. QED. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 11:31am On Nov 22, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Please can you back this up with scripture or are you just forming this out of the top of your head. |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by An2elect2(f): 2:54pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
MrPresident1: There is only one God, and that is how it will continue to be. Even Satan knows that am surprised he has not informed you yet. Well... |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by An2elect2(f): 3:31pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Hehehehe you people never cease to amaze me. I asked you a question that if you had simply chosen any of the two options will expose your trinity doc for what it is. It is flawed, incoherent and unscriptural. Sir, the only thing you could do was to refer me back to a man made explanation of God. Common, they are suppose to be co-equal? so what is the Son with the holy spirit doing down there? Lets look at John 1:1 again. Most trinitarians will readily assert that God in that verse is the Father. If they say He is the first person of the trinity, let us replace God with the Father(like i tried showing you). What do we have finally and the Word was God(Father). Who is the Word here? Jesus Christ Jesus Christ is the Father! that Father! that Jehovah! How clear can Isaiah 9:6 be? " For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of peace." According to you trinitarians prophet Isaiah did not mean to call Jesus the Father. Why Father? why not everlasting Son? Oh his mistake. Nah! go ahead and tell me the Greek or Hebrew meaning of everlasting Father like every trinitarian does.lol |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by RikoduoSennin(m): 7:27am On Nov 23, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: Not Really, Luke 3:38 "Adam which is THE SON OF GOD". Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when THE SONS OF GOD ....". Rom 8:14 "....they are the SONS OF GOD". So, there are many persons called SON/SONS of God but only one called "ONLY BEGOTTEN" that should be the emphasis, e.g why is Jesus called that? OLAADEGBU: @Bolded, Psalm 2:1-8 "...You are MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU..." Compare Hebrew 1:5 Min-Oxford Dictionary defines beget/begot (old English use) as "to FATHER A CHILD or To CAUSE". Choose your pick. Mind you, "only begotten" is English. Except translators in the past and those of the present still haven't find a better English word to translate the original greek text into. OLAADEGBU: Col 1: 15 ..." Who is the IMAGE of THE INVISIBLE GOD.... " Jesus is the "image" of the God men can not see (meaning "invisible". Gen 1:26,27 "and God said, let us make man in OUR IMAGE....So God Created man in HIS OWN IMAGE, IN THE IMAGE OF GOD ....." Man too is GOD, if the "Image" is the same/equal to God. 1 cor 11:7 " For a man indeed ought not to cover his head foreasmuch as he is the IMAGE and GLORY of GOD..." Jesus is not the source of. GOD'S GLORY rather he REFLECTS JEHOVAH'S GLORY like all of God's son. Hebrew 1:3 "...he [Jesus] REFLECTS THE GLORY OF GOD [Jehovah]...." OLAADEGBU: Jesus in the bible says, "....I go to MY Father, for MY Father is GREATER than I ". ---John 14:28. I really don't know where you got the above from! NB: 1 cor 4:6 "...Do not go beyond what is written....". 1 Like |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by PastorAIO: 4:38pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
RikoduoSennin: Mennhhh! those were some killer scriptures you quoted for the guy. Dem be like combination. 2 left hooks swiftly followed by headbutt and finished off with flying drop kick. 1 Like |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by MrPresident1: 9:08pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
An2elect2: God is one. My question is, when God pours His spirit on you, what do you become? |
Re: What Did Jesus Mean When He Said, "I And The Father Are One" In John 10:30? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:11am On Nov 24, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Below is an article that answers your objections with Scriptures: Jesus And The Sons Of God |
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