heykims:

Medical students rotate through ophthalmology too in their clinical years in school nd it is even imbibed in their professional MBBS exam..
And here, it isnt just about examining for refractive errors nd prescribing glasses, u ve got to be equipped wt all eye diseases nd their management, surgical modalities inclusive..

heykims:

Medical students rotate through ophthalmology too in their clinical years in school nd it is even imbibed in their professional MBBS exam..
And here, it isnt just about examining for refractive errors nd prescribing glasses, u ve got to be equipped wt all eye diseases nd their management, surgical modalities inclusive..

InyinyaAgbaOku:

optometry is 6 years?
Optometry is not hard like medicine. simple
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Every aspect of optometry is well covered in ophthalmology. Eye care was cumbersome for the doctor and optometry was carved out to take care of the lens part, though basic eye stuff are still taught to optometrist students too.
how is it among the 6hardest courses when there is a course /specialty that swallowed it?

InyinyaAgbaOku:

optometry is 6 years?
Optometry is not hard like medicine. simple
.
Every aspect of optometry is well covered in ophthalmology. Eye care was cumbersome for the doctor and optometry was carved out to take care of the lens part, though basic eye stuff are still taught to optometrist students too.
how is it among the 6hardest courses when there is a course /specialty that swallowed it?

originbm:
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Optometry is much more harder than medicine and i will tell u y...
Mbbs has width without depth.U guys just rotate within the periperals of specialties and come out to answer doctors...
Let me use eye care as a reference....
With all your brags on this forum a medical graduate cannot handle even a simple ocular case without referral...Even a thing as simple as anisometropia or accomodative esotropia they cant do it.
What they do is give analgesics for every headache and Saids with antibiotics for every red eye.Thats hw a gp was pumping a px with dexamethasone when the problem was simple hyperopia...
What then is the need for ur oohthalmology rotation when u guys know nothing....
In ur part 1 residency u start learning geometric and physical optics that an optometry student finished in 200 level.
Optometry is easy.....y is it that most of ur residents spend 6yrs instead of the stipulated 4 yrs studying it...or are u so ignorant that u dont know it...and they dont go into physiological optics at all...which is one of the most dense part of vision care...This is not withstanding the fact that being graduates and medicine being "difficult" as u said it should be a cakewalk for them.
OPTOMETRY IS WAY MUCH MORE DEEPER THAN MEDICINE...
In my 400 level many guys that failed out of our depts wrote jamb again went into medicine and are doing excellent...Go to uniben and ask...When we see ourselves they shrug and shudder at what they passed through....
Medicine is more visible than optometry and therefore more competitive...It is way more harder to gain admission into medicine than optometry...but that is where it ends...
In uniben optometry has the highest failure rate....
I rate pharmacy ahead of medicine in toughness...Sorry thats the truth.

InyinyaAgbaOku:

An opthalmologist knows more than an optometrist, are you gonna debate that one?

InyinyaAgbaOku:

An opthalmologist knows more than an optometrist, are you gonna debate that one?

originbm:


In Nigeria here they know more surgery...And that is only Nigeria because American optometrists perform full opthalmic chirugeries.
But in optics they know nothing...In clinical refraction they know nothing compared with an optometrist....And like i said they perform only few proceedures like ce,tplasty and pterygium excision
All these proceedures we deal with them didactically....everything about them so that we can counsel a px on wat to expect....afterall we refer the pxts to them and they refer them back to us for post mangt...the only thing is we dont do them cause its illegal ...not because they are difficult..Some optonetrists may do them....but like i said,for now in nigeria,its illegal.
My guy u dont know who an optometrist is....so dont argue what u dont know....

originbm:


You are speaking nonesense...the 2 months u spend learning penlight examination is y u want to come here and speak thrash...even a general medical practitioner of 10 yrs practice cannot make ocular diagnosis and u r spewing nonsense.
U r talking abt opthalmic surgery as if u know anything ....even ophthalmologists are quacks when it comes to complex refractive proceedures.....
Go and take the ophthalmology residency habdbook,then take the uniben optometry dept prospectus and compare both of them....
Ur residents spend two yrs studying things a 200 level student in optometry already knows...If they are not afraid let them let optometry graduates write their primary exams with them and then see if any of them will get a residency slot....
A good 500 level student of optometry will easily teach ur senior part 2 resident everythibg in their handbook with the exception of microsurgery....

U r talking abt surgical modalities....minus CE and pterygium ecxcision which other proceedures do ophthalmologists in nigeria perform?
U r very ignorant...i wish u will take me up on this so that i will disabuse ur mind for good....
Speaking as if u can even interprete the simplest of ophthalmic prescriptions....u think ocular diagnosis is gynaecology....as if u can even identify the simplest form of optic disc anomaly...

originbm:


You are speaking nonesense...the 2 months u spend learning penlight examination is y u want to come here and speak thrash...even a general medical practitioner of 10 yrs practice cannot make ocular diagnosis and u r spewing nonsense.
U r talking abt opthalmic surgery as if u know anything ....even ophthalmologists are quacks when it comes to complex refractive proceedures.....
Go and take the ophthalmology residency habdbook,then take the uniben optometry dept prospectus and compare both of them....
Ur residents spend two yrs studying things a 200 level student in optometry already knows...If they are not afraid let them let optometry graduates write their primary exams with them and then see if any of them will get a residency slot....
A good 500 level student of optometry will easily teach ur senior part 2 resident everythibg in their handbook with the exception of microsurgery....

U r talking abt surgical modalities....minus CE and pterygium ecxcision which other proceedures do ophthalmologists in nigeria perform?
U r very ignorant...i wish u will take me up on this so that i will disabuse ur mind for good....
Speaking as if u can even interprete the simplest of ophthalmic prescriptions....u think ocular diagnosis is gynaecology....as if u can even identify the simplest form of optic disc anomaly...

InyinyaAgbaOku:


Of course, there is a reason they are licensed to do that while you are not.
They have both medical knowledge plus eye stuff, yours is eye centered only. Deal with it.

I was telling you that optometry job was done by the doctors in the past but just to save time while dealing with patients, optometry aspect was carved out so that after seeing sb with refractive errors for eg, the doctor makes the diagnosis n the treatment plan, the optometrist sorts out the glasses or sth, instead of the doctor doing that and you are here yapping.
Or is the study of optometry not younger than medicine?
Who is referring a PX to you outside of glass issue? In a teaching hospital?

heykims:

Why this pained? I understand though.
If u can't beat them, u join them. U feel so dejected coz joining isn't even an option.

InyinyaAgbaOku:


Of course, there is a reason they are licensed to do that while you are not.
They have both medical knowledge plus eye stuff, yours is eye centered only. Deal with it.

I was telling you that optometry job was done by the doctors in the past but just to save time while dealing with patients, optometry aspect was carved out so that after seeing sb with refractive errors for eg, the doctor makes the diagnosis n the treatment plan, the optometrist sorts out the glasses or sth, instead of the doctor doing that and you are here yapping.
Or is the study of optometry not younger than medicine?
Who is referring a PX to you outside of glass issue? In a teaching hospital?

originbm:


This guy which medical school did u attend?
Who told that optometry was carved out from ophthalmology...who taught u dat...
Optometry is an independent eye care profession along different developmental line from medicines....
Is optometry in the faculty of medicine?
An optometrist is a doctor ,u deal with.they are awarded OD not a bachelors degree.
Optometry have theiir own postgraduate colkege so what are u talking abt.
Optometrist treat eye dissases ,prescribe drugs and perform all preceedures including foreign bodyremoval in their capacity as doctors....contact lens work up and low vision care....
Wat do u mean by just to save time?
Between treating accomodative infacility and treating glaucoma which is easier....u funny o
Eye care has lots of proceecures....surgical is only about 5%
From different kinds of tonometry,biomicroscopy,perimetry,direct and indirect ophthalmoscopy,different forms of retinoscopic techniques from mohindra to cycloplegic to static to dynamic,geriatric and paediatriic techniques in external ocular examination,confrontation,accomodation and convergence measurement proceedures,gonioscopy,fundoscopy,von graffe,maddox wing and rod,Blur and push up amplitude,...and this only for general clinical exam...
In the field of orthoptics there are hosts from ac rock,to red lens to bagollini tests,to worth 4 dot test,to stereoacuity,to a host of others....then low vision and contact less assessment and treatment proceedures...
Surgery is a minor field in vision care.The only restorative ocular surgery is cataract.I was at the inaugural lecture a prof. of ophthalmology from ubth ,the only surgical proceedure she could boast of is cataract surgery.
See eye care has 4 components...optics,ocular health,surgical and orthoptics-low vision.
Optometry in usa is a provider of all.
In Nigeria they can provide all excepting surgery....
And just in case u are doubting...refraction is the money spinning proceedure...

InyinyaAgbaOku:


But the doctors do all these things? And they also have their stories of optometrists mismanaging PX before coming to them.

On a lighter note, Why exactly do u quote me twice?

originbm:


Pls when u use the term 'doctors' specify.In the field of eye care we have only two doctors-The optometrist and the ophthalmologist.They are the ones qualified to run eye centres.An ordinary medical practitioner is not an eye doctor.
As a general practitioner u are not legally qualified to run an eye clinic.
That said,the ophthalmologist leans on the optometrist for complex optical proceedures while the optometrist in Nigeria does same for surgery.Both of them provide medical care.
In some optometrist eye clinics the optometrists use ophthalmologist like a technician.They just come, remove cataract and leave.Cataract removal is finished within an hour and the patient can leave immediately.The optometrist does the follow up.
Which stories do they hv?If they had everyone would hv heard abt it because many of them are just like u guys here-jealous and vindictive,even when u dont hv to be.
Have any optometrist been sued for px mismanagement?
In eye care one misdiagnosis can be fatal...i hope u know that...missing the presence of a comorbidity is deadly...
If optometrists make misdiagnosis many ophthalmologidts would hv been singing it to the media given medicine's penchant to pull down other professions.And Hmos would hv been running away from them....
I sincerely wish u would get into eye care...then u would know who is who and what is what.
In the mean time visit eye clinics and get firsthand knowledge...

On a lighter note ...my ipad has loves sending things twice...dont know y.

originbm:
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Optometry is much more harder than medicine and i will tell u y...
Mbbs has width without depth.U guys just rotate within the periperals of specialties and come out to answer doctors...
Let me use eye care as a reference....
With all your brags on this forum a medical graduate cannot handle even a simple ocular case without referral...Even a thing as simple as anisometropia or accomodative esotropia they cant do it.
What they do is give analgesics for every headache and Saids with antibiotics for every red eye.Thats hw a gp was pumping a px with dexamethasone when the problem was simple hyperopia...
What then is the need for ur oohthalmology rotation when u guys know nothing....
In ur part 1 residency u start learning geometric and physical optics that an optometry student finished in 200 level...

Fabzgrace:

Sorry but have you ever been to an eye clinic?

Fabzgrace:

Hi, are you an optometrist or a 100l law student

Come out clean please cause the last time i checked, you claimed you just got admitted into law.

originbm:


Are both mutually exclusive?
Didnt you go for the inaugural lecture of Prof. Osime-a prof of surgery and also a Barrister -at-Law which held on Dec 17?The guy is an academic general...definitely one of the men i look up to...

originbm:



Yes,i hv....or wait....actually,i hv friends who own some...is there something i need to know?

Fabzgrace:

Ok then.
So,are you trying to say the doctors that patients consult to complain about their eyes and those that treat diseases are optometrists?
Pls tell me ooo,i need to know.

originbm:


No general practitioner can practice as an eye doctor.
Which clinic have u gone to and an ordinary gp is treating ocular diseases...
Na wao...Have u seen anyone?
Only ophthalmologists and optometrists run eye clinic...
U r in Benin...Go to Faith and other eye centres and find out....
A general medical practitioner does not have the training to handle eye cases...
Its that simple....they can only refer...

If you go to a health care center and complain of eye issues,they refer u to their eyecare dept.
In that dept,only two kinds of doctors can practice their-an ophthalmologist or an optometrist.

originbm:


That said,the ophthalmologist leans on the optometrist for complex optical proceedures while the optometrist in Nigeria does same for surgery.Both of them provide medical care.
In some optometrist eye clinics the optometrists use ophthalmologist like a technician.They just come, remove cataract and leave.