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Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by BlackPeni5: 9:46am On Nov 21, 2014
Looking back at calls by the Katsina State Governor, Mr. Shema on his supporters to kill and crush the opposition (Cockroaches). Not forgetting our brother Bola Tinubu who also asked his supporters to enforce the rig and roast policy, or Buhari who promised that the blood of dogs and baboons will flow. One thing is clear, politicians are inciting their supporters to violence if there is rigging.

We all know that rigging is part of PDP's political strategy right from the time the party was formed. Obasanjo was rigged into power in 1999 and 2003 while Yaradua was rigged into power in 2007. The same can be said of President Goodluck Jonathan in 2011 although rigging during his term was the lowest compared to his predecessors. Notwithstanding, rigging is not limited to PDP politics as all parties rig, just that PDP is better.

APC desperately wants power by all means in 2015 and are ready to fight for it with all their might. These comments are just to put their supporters in the fighting mood in anticipation of 2015.

PDP will surely rig in 2015 and APC will surely fight. But the only question is how far the fight go and how long it will last. Let's not forget that Governor Rotimi Ameachi promised that APC will form an alternate government in 2015 if APC loses. All these things are a recipe for a civil war.

People from the South South and South East do not want Northern rule while Northerners do not want a Sourtherner as president. The worst case scenario is that, after GEJ rigs himself into power in 2015, there will be civil disturbances in the North and killings of "Cockroaches" will start another genocide. A parallel government will also be formed by the APC. The Southerners will use the opportunity to declare an independent country again which will lead to another civil war.

Alternatively, people may just continue to complain over the internet and nothing will happen.

However, I've started saving some small money so I can run to Madagascar if the worst case scenario occurs.

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Descartes: 9:52am On Nov 21, 2014
I think it is INEVITABLE angry
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by gede7744(f): 9:58am On Nov 21, 2014
abi now op. get ur passport in order for emergency exile
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Abagworo(m): 9:59am On Nov 21, 2014
Dont worry there will not be long term war but revolution. Young officers will take over and conduct our 1st real election. There will be clear rigging with evidence and APC will form a parallel Government. They will be declared wanted for treason like the case of Abiola but the army will be divided just like we the citizens. It will not be North-South thing but a free for all as inter and intra tribal wars will start in Niger Delta and North forcing the military to seize power.
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Ngwakwe: 10:12am On Nov 21, 2014
Abagworo:
Dont worry there will not be long term war but revolution. Young officers will take over and conduct our 1st real election.

You mean white collar civil servants in Military uniform who attended NDA and others who enrolled in the military to escape unemployment?

The possibility of MASSOB overthrowing South East States is higher than your so-called young officers in military uniform who have no passion nor capacity for war or revolution.

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Descartes: 10:19am On Nov 21, 2014
Ngwakwe:


You mean white collar civil servants in Military uniform who attended NDA and others who enrolled in the military to escape unemployment?

The possibility of MASSOB overthrowing South East States is higher than your so-called young officers in military uniform who have no passion nor capacity for war or revolution.

Very apt cool

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Abagworo(m): 10:19am On Nov 21, 2014
Ngwakwe:


You mean white collar civil servants in Military uniform who attended NDA and others who enrolled in the military to escape unemployment?

The possibility of MASSOB overthrowing South East States is higher than your so-called young officers in military uniform who have no passion nor capacity for war or revolution.

I have indepth knowledge of what I wrote. If the army had full support of FG and Nigerians did not politicise it, this Boko Haram issue would have been solved. Defeating terrorists is extremely difficult because they are fighting for their faith. History shows that no faith based war has ever been won except through compromise because the fighters believe in mattyrdom which makes death the least of their worries.

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by 9jii(m): 10:20am On Nov 21, 2014
SADLY THE MASSES WILL SUFFER THE MOST. KILL THEMSELVES FOR THIEVES POLITICIANS
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by PointB: 10:22am On Nov 21, 2014
BlackPeni5:
Looking back at calls by the Katsina State Governor, Mr. Shema on his supporters to kill and crush the opposition (Cockroaches). Not forgetting our brother Bola Tinubu who also asked his supporters to enforce the rig and roast policy, or Buhari who promised that the blood of dogs and baboons will flow. One thing is clear, politicians are inciting their supporters to violence if there is rigging.

We all know that rigging is part of PDP's political strategy right from the time the party was formed. Obasanjo was rigged into power in 1999 and 2003 while Yaradua was rigged into power in 2007. The same can be said of President Goodluck Jonathan in 2011 although rigging during his term was the lowest compared to his predecessors. Notwithstanding, rigging is not limited to PDP politics as all parties rig, just that PDP is better.

APC desperately wants power by all means in 2015 and are ready to fight for it with all their might. These comments are just to put their supporters in the fighting mood in anticipation of 2015.

PDP will surely rig in 2015 and APC will surely fight. But the only question is how far the fight go and how long it will last. Let's not forget that Governor Rotimi Ameachi promised that APC will form an alternate government in 2015 if APC loses. All these things are a recipe for a civil war.

People from the South South and South East do not want Northern rule while Northerners do not want a Sourtherner as president. The worst case scenario is that, after GEJ rigs himself into power in 2015, there will be civil disturbances in the North and killings of "Cockroaches" will start another genocide. A parallel government will also be formed by the APC. The Southerners will use the opportunity to declare an independent country again which will lead to another civil war.

Alternatively, people may just continue to complain over the internet and nothing will happen.

However, I've started saving some small money so I can run to Madagascar if the worst case scenario occurs.

A sad end to an incisive analysis?

Who will protect your family if you turn tail and run? I know life is sacred, and self preservation is first principle of existence, but common, turning tail and running is not a solution. A man stands and fight!

Anyway, knowing Nigerians very well, there would be know fight if PDP wins. They will only renew their mandate to be forcefully crush Boko Haram. Let's see it done.
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by 1025: 10:25am On Nov 21, 2014
is this the first time somebody is making such statement under this administration?
what has asari dokubo been saying about Jonathan if he fails to win?
we are just sentimental and bias about all these statements and when mr.a makes his statements get away with it, mr.b is at ease to make his.
whatever happened to asari dokubo when he made his must happen to this man now.

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Orunto: 10:28am On Nov 21, 2014
Your prognosis are sound. Don't you think that the IGP should arrest these people making all these inciting speeches capable of causing not only civil wars but also invasion of Nigeria by unscrupulous foreign agents?
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by kettykin: 11:10am On Nov 21, 2014
The possibility and likelihood of a war should not be limited to the on goings in the political circles as we are talking here there exist large caches of ammunition in the hands of private armies like the Boko Haram for the North east, Fulani herdsmen for the North west ,Mend for the Niger Delta, OPC for the south west (who by the way displayed their weapons in the most brazen manner some months ago against Boko haram but has never fired a shot even after boko haram bombed Apapa ) .

The only people who i don't really know how prepared they are , the middle belt and the war weary igbo people in south east and Niger delta.
Any body postulating that the army will take over should remember how the army has been cut to size by boko haram in the North east and fulani herdsmen.

Personally i think the confusion and chaos that might greet the announcements of the 2015 Election will result will first trigger incisive careless statements from APC chieftains who would urge their people to go on mass action .

The mass action will be quelled by soldiers which will make the APC followers to go the Egyptian mass action and occupation model in Lagos and Kano crippling economic activities and businesses. This is where i urge my igbo brothers in Lagos and Kano to take utmost caution and avoid getting into direct confrontation with frustrated APC fans and area boys.

Resulting Attacks by APC fans will trigger brutal counter attacks by soldiers and policemen which would lead to outcries , public outburst and a possible state of Emergency with arrest of key opposition figures that would be opposed by the mass of APC fans who would be openly calling for the military to step in and restore order like the did in Egypt.

2 things might likely follow.

The president stepping aside as a result of the pressure by world powers (EU, US etc) and handing over to the senate president
The military body announcing a temporary assumption of office to enforce peace

When the above 2 happens then what follows can best be described and not experienced.
it would be simply turning the country over to be governed by a combination of supporter of APC militia, boko haram, fulani herdsmen ,OPC with massive oil bunkerings going on uncontrolled by asari , tompolo and their boys , this would be the beginning of reallignment of powers and the start of the second Nigerian Civil war.

let him that has ears hear and take utmost caution , this is for the igbo business men in the volatile cities of the North and in Lagos

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by tinkinjow: 12:21pm On Nov 21, 2014
When the dust settles, northerners will virtually be begging for a niger delta president.
This isn't 1969. Justice beckons. Oil blocks about to find it rightful owners.
The funny part is that the yorubas are waiting for those who will initiate the process.
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Nobody: 12:26pm On Nov 21, 2014
Abagworo:
Dont worry there will not be long term war but revolution. Young officers will take over and conduct our 1st real election. There will be clear rigging with evidence and APC will form a parallel Government. They will be declared wanted for treason like the case of Abiola but the army will be divided just like we the citizens. It will not be North-South thing but a free for all as inter and intra tribal wars will start in Niger Delta and North forcing the military to seize power.

The issue is not a military takeover but the ethnic group the military leader wil come from.If you think your APC janja.weed will be happy if gen minimah takes over you are in for a rude shoock.All the gambaris want is for power to be returned to the and whether it is through a coup,war or election.The present composition of the army will not allow for a successful coup as the army will be divided along ethnic and religious lines in event of a coup

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by BlackPeni5: 12:39pm On Nov 21, 2014
kettykin:
The possibility and likelihood of a war should not be limited to the on goings in the political circles as we are talking here there exist large caches of ammunition in the hands of private armies like the Boko Haram for the North east, Fulani herdsmen for the North west ,Mend for the Niger Delta, OPC for the south west (who by the way displayed their weapons in the most brazen manner some months ago against Boko haram but has never fired a shot even after boko haram bombed Apapa ) .

The only people who i don't really know how prepared they are , the middle belt and the war weary igbo people in south east and Niger delta.
Any body postulating that the army will take over should remember how the army has been cut to size by boko haram in the North east and fulani herdsmen.

Personally i think the confusion and chaos that might greet the announcements of the 2015 Election will result will first trigger incisive careless statements from APC chieftains who would urge their people to go on mass action .

The mass action will be quelled by soldiers which will make the APC followers to go the Egyptian mass action and occupation model in Lagos and Kano crippling economic activities and businesses. This is where i urge my igbo brothers in Lagos and Kano to take utmost caution and avoid getting into direct confrontation with frustrated APC fans and area boys.

Resulting Attacks by APC fans will trigger brutal counter attacks by soldiers and policemen which would lead to outcries , public outburst and a possible state of Emergency with arrest of key opposition figures that would be opposed by the mass of APC fans who would be openly calling for the military to step in and restore order like the did in Egypt.

2 things might likely follow.

The president stepping aside as a result of the pressure by world powers (EU, US etc) and handing over to the senate president
The military body announcing a temporary assumption of office to enforce peace

When the above 2 happens then what follows can best be described and not experienced.
it would be simply turning the country over to be governed by a combination of supporter of APC militia, boko haram, fulani herdsmen ,OPC with massive oil bunkerings going on uncontrolled by asari , tompolo and their boys , this would be the beginning of reallignment of powers and the start of the second Nigerian Civil war.

let him that has ears hear and take utmost caution , this is for the igbo business men in the volatile cities of the North and in Lagos

This is actually a very possible scenario as well.
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by OreMI22: 12:44pm On Nov 21, 2014
A war is necessary to address the born to rule mentality of the north.It's either Nigeria is a fair country or it should break up.
In 1995, Abacha wanted a system of power rotation among the 6 regions, but the north said NO!

Now they are threatening war if they don't get power. So be it.

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Ngwakwe: 12:47pm On Nov 21, 2014
Abagworo:


I have indepth knowledge of what I wrote. If the army had full support of FG and Nigerians did not politicise it, this Boko Haram issue would have been solved. Defeating terrorists is extremely difficult because they are fighting for their faith. History shows that no faith based war has ever been won except through compromise because the fighters believe in mattyrdom which makes death the least of their worries.

You have zero knowledge of anything pertaining this subject. The FG has given our Military and Defence establishment 100% support and has zero blame whatsoever.

Stop the sycophancy and brace up for the reality.


Babangida Regime Disarmed Nigeria Military After Okah Coup To Safeguard Regime - Sen. SALEH

ABUJA – AS the Boko Haram insurgents continue to have upper hand in the North East, the Chief of Defence Staff, Air Marshal Alex Badeh has revealed that for the country to win the war against terrorism, there was the need for diplomatic lobbying for foreign assistance in areas of equipment.



But the Senator representing Kaduna Central, Senator Mohammed Saleh said it was impossible for the military to win the terrorism war with the present obsolete equipment and the alleged fraud in Ministry of Defence and the Military Service.

Meanwhile, Senator Saleh has said that after the Gideon Okar coup of 1990 during the regime of General Ibrahim Babangida, the military was systematically and comprehensively disarmed which now makes it impossible for the army to effectively confront any external aggression.Soldier

Speaking at the National Assembly Joint Committee on Defence Thursday, the Chief of Defence Staff said that since the declaration of state of emergency in the three North East states of Borno, Adamawa and Yobe, the Armed Forces had been engaged in a sustained operations against the terrorists.

According to Air Marshal Badeh, “In the last one month, troops have sustained on-going offensive operations both in and outside seven division areas of operation to shape the theatre, establish fighting positions and limiting Boko Haram freedom of movement within the area of operation.

“Significantly, troupes are currently carrying out unlimited offensive operations aimed at denying Boko haram freedom of action and from achieving its aim to isolate and control areas around Maiduguri.

“Additionally, the involvement of the international community which led to the establishment of the joint planning committee on the 12 of May, 2014, the initial mandate of the joint coordination and planning committee which is championed by America and Britain was the fusion of intelligence for the rescue of abducted Chibok girls.

“But this gradually is being extended to other aspects of the operations. I want to state here that the military is highly engaged in operations in view of achieving favourable outcomes.

“Moreover, the continued attacks by the terrorists justify the imposition and extension of state of emergency because there is no alternative. Let me just say that Nigerians need not lose hope in the military but continue to support her in a bid to defeat the terrorists.

“Secondly, all other elements of national power should contribute more in support of military operations. Right now, the element of national power we are using is the military. Other elements of national power are not being engaged sufficiently.

“There is also the need for diplomatic lobbying for our foreign partners to provide more assistance in areas of equipment and whatever they can give us.”

Security situation is deteriorating—Sen. Saleh

But a member of the Senate Joint National Assembly Committee on Defence and an All Progressives Congress Senator from Kaduna Central, Senator Ahmed Saleh appeared to have dashed the hope of the military winning the war against terrorism even as he said that the situation was getting worse on daily basis.

[b]Senators Saleh, a retired army general said, “What I am going to say is based on my experience as an insider. Our duty here as senators of the federal republic transcends the extension of state of emergency. Our duty of oversight should ensure that high standards must be maintained in addition to acquiring all necessary equipment required to maintain a strong force.

“When the Chief of Defense Staff was appointed in January this year, the service chiefs made a categorical statement that within three months they will crush Boko haram. But unfortunately, what we are seeing is a complete deterioration of the situation, so it is incumbent on us to find out why that deterioration. We have heard about our soldiers’ mutiny, it is also our responsibility to find out why that is happening.

“For us to understand why that is happening, we need to go back to the Babangida (Gen. Ibrahim Babangida) era. After the 1990 Okar coup, the Federal Government of Nigeria systematically and comprehensively disarmed the military.

“All the tanks, all the artillery guns were disarmed and locked up. All the aircraft were parked in Ilorin and other places, flying stopped, training stopped to ensure regime security not national security.

“All the good officers of the Nigerian army were hounded out of the military. And there was over concentration of power at the centre which was the army headquarters. Prior to that, General Officers Commanding used to have training and maneuver grants.

“They had the power and responsibility to train their troops and battalions and to ensure an efficient logistics and service support system. All that stopped. Everything was from Army headquarters, everything was from Air Force headquarters, everything was from Naval headquarters.

“The attendant result was decay. Training was no longer going on at the battalion level, soldiers lost their skills and since then, no additional military equipment was purchased for the Nigerian Army. Even things as little as machine guns were in short supply, ammunition was in short supply.

“An individual soldier’s professional skill was to be a matchman, to shoot and hit his target but can he do that if he has no ammunition? We have a duty to rebuild this army, to rebuild this armed forces, and unless we understand these basic facts, we are not going anywhere.

“Also, after some time the fighting doctrine of the Nigerian Army was changed. We were essentially British brought up. That means we knew how much materials we had, the tasks before us and so on. But along the line during the Obasanjo (Chief Olusegun Obasanjo) regime, General Obasanjo brought Americans here and our doctrine approach was change to warfare.

“I make bold to tell you that up till today nobody understands that. I know it is a strategic concept of warfare but in Nigeria we are applying it to the operational and tactical level. It has created a lot of confusion within our army.

“Apart from that, our involvement in foreign operations and the kind of training we give to our soldiers for operations was a kind of defensive posture. You don’t kill until you are killed, you don’t attack until you are attacked.

“That also helped to change the orientation of some of our soldiers. Then again, I must mention here fraud within the ministry of defense, fraud within the military service systems themselves has contributed a lot to diminishing our fighting capability.

“Further to that again, we have the issue of our combat service support. Because of fraudulent activities, we monetized everything. Out supply services, our medical services are completely inefficient and are unable to support the fighting in the North East now. Right now I stand to question how our soldiers are being fed.”
[/b]
Speaking earlier, Chairman Senate Committee on Defence, Senator George Thompson Sekibo said that the essence of the meeting was to know why the issue of insurgence persists in the country and the conflicting reports on the fight against Boko Haram in Borno, Adamawa and Yobe states.

Senator Sekibo said, “Nigerians are worried over the security station. Rather than abate its worsening. The spokesperson of the military and the press are contradicting each other. We want to find out the true situation of the attacks.

“You will observe that the joint committee of the National Assembly on Defence met here with the Chief of Defence staff and other security chiefs from 10am to 3pm to get situation reports on insurgency problem in the three affected north eastern states as part of follow up to the approval of state of emergency in the affected state in May this year.

“We have heard several stories from the media on alleged upper hand of the insurgents against the military and the military telling us here that such stories were speculative, making it difficult for us to know which of the stories to believe.

“The military In fact debunked stories of major cities being taken over by the insurgents in the three states , though admitted that the insurgents had one of the towns as stronghold which according to them would be taken over from them in a matter of time from now.

“We have also been informed by them that presidency is doing more for them in terms of procurement of new war ammunition and improve in welfare packages and other things being done to boost the morale of those at the war front.

“But the committee has resolved to reach out to Mr President for direct interaction on the national problem with a view to knowing what and what are being done to fight the war to its logical conclusion which will definitely afford us the opportunity to put in our own pieces of advice.

“We also resolved to submit all our findings at this meeting today to the respective chambers on resumption about 12 days to come”.

Senator Sekibo said the Joint Committee wanted to know, “Who has captured where. We are worried about the contradictions. We want to know, is the military still equipped or not, what is the state of our equipment, are you having difficulties accessing funds, if there are funds to buy the equipment the moral of the soldiers will raise.

“State of emergency is in the third stage and things are worse. Do we evacuate people there and go for full scale war, were the funds released to you? We should know the problem. We at National Assembly will not rest on our oars. Some of our people at the National Assembly can’t go back to our states,” he stated


www.freedomafric.com/politics/babangida-regime-disarmed-nigeria-military-after-okah-coup-safeguard-regime-sen-saleh-t1609.html





I need to remind you Nigeria is under indirect diplomatic sanction from some superpowers thereby hindering our assess to required military hardware required to effectively prosecute this guerrilla warfare imposed on it unprepared.

The Nigerian Military you referred to in 1983 and before it has undergone serious systematic retrogression in terms of equipment, training facilities, man power and international collaboration needed to combat terrorists in 21st century unconventional warfare where rules of engagement must take into consideration the rights of terrorist and rules of war according to Geneva convention.

This administration has provided the military with adequate funding to get back to its lost glory where people who are recruited into the armed forces are men and women with passion for war/defence of their fatherland like my father and not because they are trying to escape employment as we have now.
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by BlackPeni5: 12:49pm On Nov 21, 2014
PointB:


A sad end to an incisive analysis?

Who will protect your family if you turn tail and run? I know life is sacred, and self preservation is first principle of existence, but common, turning tail and running is not a solution. A man stands and fight!

Anyway, knowing Nigerians very well, there would be know fight if PDP wins. They will only renew their mandate to be forcefully crush Boko Haram. Let's see it done.


Fight is good only when it is for a just cause. I will fight to protect my family but I will not fight for any politically motivated conflict that I know will not benefit my family or future generations. If the conflict is about fighting corruption, I'm in but If its APC vs PDP, I'm totally out.

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Arch1: 1:00pm On Nov 21, 2014
OreMI22:

In 1995, Abacha wanted a system of power rotation among the 6 regions, but the north said NO!
Why do you guys love twisting and revising history?

Goodluck Jonathan was the one that renege on the zoning arrangement of the PDP in selecting the president.

It was the turn of the Northerners in PDP to have the presidency zoned to them after Olusegun Obsanjo, a southerner had already completed eight years in office.

Yaradua who assumed the presidency after Obsanjo's tenure died and it was expected that another Northener ought to complete the eighty year presidency in line with PDP's zoning arrangement.

Jonatahn did not only renege on the PDP zoning arrangement, he also failed to keep to the promise he made to contest only once.

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by kettykin: 1:16pm On Nov 21, 2014
Arch1:
Why do you guys love twisting and revising history?

Goodluck Jonathan was the one that renege on the zoning arrangement of the PDP in selecting the president.

It was the turn of the Northerners in PDP to have the presidency zoned to them after Olusegun Obsanjo, a southerner had already completed eight years in office.

Yaradua who assumed the presidency after Obsanjo's tenure died and it was expected that another Northener ought to complete the eighty year presidency in line with PDP's zoning arrangement.

Jonatahn did not only renege on the PDP zoning arrangement, he also failed to keep to the promise he made to contest only once.


was it Goodluck Jonathan that reneged on the principle of rotation of presidency or the proponents of operation totality

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Arch1: 1:29pm On Nov 21, 2014
kettykin:



was it Goodluck Jonathan that reneged on the principle of rotation of presidency or the proponents of operation totality
It was Goodluck that reneged on the zoning agreement of the PDP. He wasnt meant to assume the presidency after Yaradua's demise in line with the PDP zoning formular

With the help of Obasanjo who was then the PDP BOT chairman and the support of the Northern delegates at the PDP primaries, Jonathan got the presidential slot in 2011 with the promise not to recontest again

Currently, there are about 14 PDP governors in the North. There are more PDP Governors in the North than they are in the south, why is this so?

The Northerner PDP Governors: Aliyu, Dankwanmbo, Yuguda, Lamido etc worked against Atiku & Sarah Jubril -(both are Northerner)at the 2011 primaries in support of Jonathan . Thats one

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by OreMI22: 1:36pm On Nov 21, 2014
Arch1:
Why do you guys love twisting and revising history?

Goodluck Jonathan was the one that renege on the zoning arrangement of the PDP in selecting the president.

It was the turn of the Northerners in PDP to have the presidency zoned to them after Olusegun Obsanjo, a southerner had already completed eight years in office.

Yaradua who assumed the presidency after Obsanjo's tenure died and it was expected that another Northener ought to complete the eighty year presidency in line with PDP's zoning arrangement.

Jonatahn did not only renege on the PDP zoning arrangement, he also failed to keep to the promise he made to contest only once.

Say what you like and keep lying to yourself.
I am not talking about any PDP arrangement which Atiku had said did not exist when he was in the party.

The 1995 Constitutional conference proposed the rotation of power amongst the 6 political zones enshrined in our constitution. Abacha liked the idea, but northerners said NO! Abacha even wanted to have it rotate just between the north and south for 30 years, the northerners still said NO!

This country will not allow those that see other peoples land as slave territories to reign over us again. Let Nigeria breakup! Violently if it must!

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Arch1: 1:48pm On Nov 21, 2014
OreMI22:

The 1995 Constitutional conference proposed the rotation of power amongst the 6 political zones enshrined in our constitution. Abacha liked the idea, but northerners said NO! Abacha even wanted to have it rotate just between the north and south for 30 years, the northerners still said NO!
Why are you bringing General Sani Abacha's military Junta to the discuss?

We are in the fourth republic and it is on record that Goodluck Jonathan was the one that reneged on the Zoning agreement of his party when he assumed the presidency after the demise of Umar Yar'adua; a position that had been exclusivley zoned to the North giving the fact that Obasanjo, a southerner previuosly served for eight years.

If you want to talk about the past and Abacha's regime, i can also help you stretch it further and talk about how igbo coup plotters truncated our democracy in the first republic by killing leaders from other regions whilst sparing theirs

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Malawian(m): 2:14pm On Nov 21, 2014
kettykin:
The possibility and likelihood of a war should not be limited to the on goings in the political circles as we are talking here there exist large caches of ammunition in the hands of private armies like the Boko Haram for the North east, Fulani herdsmen for the North west ,Mend for the Niger Delta, OPC for the south west (who by the way displayed their weapons in the most brazen manner some months ago against Boko haram but has never fired a shot even after boko haram bombed Apapa ) .

The only people who i don't really know how prepared they are , the middle belt and the war weary igbo people in south east and Niger delta.
Any body postulating that the army will take over should remember how the army has been cut to size by boko haram in the North east and fulani herdsmen.

Personally i think the confusion and chaos that might greet the announcements of the 2015 Election will result will first trigger incisive careless statements from APC chieftains who would urge their people to go on mass action .

The mass action will be quelled by soldiers which will make the APC followers to go the Egyptian mass action and occupation model in Lagos and Kano crippling economic activities and businesses. This is where i urge my igbo brothers in Lagos and Kano to take utmost caution and avoid getting into direct confrontation with frustrated APC fans and area boys.

Resulting Attacks by APC fans will trigger brutal counter attacks by soldiers and policemen which would lead to outcries , public outburst and a possible state of Emergency with arrest of key opposition figures that would be opposed by the mass of APC fans who would be openly calling for the military to step in and restore order like the did in Egypt.

2 things might likely follow.

The president stepping aside as a result of the pressure by world powers (EU, US etc) and handing over to the senate president
The military body announcing a temporary assumption of office to enforce peace

When the above 2 happens then what follows can best be described and not experienced.
it would be simply turning the country over to be governed by a combination of supporter of APC militia, boko haram, fulani herdsmen ,OPC with massive oil bunkerings going on uncontrolled by asari , tompolo and their boys , this would be the beginning of reallignment of powers and the start of the second Nigerian Civil war.

let him that has ears hear and take utmost caution , this is for the igbo business men in the volatile cities of the North and in Lagos
bros, forget all these your long points. 2015 elections will come and go. any occupation in lagos will be quelled by just 2 armoured tanks at freedom square. whatever they wish to do in kano does not concern anyone.

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by kettykin: 2:20pm On Nov 21, 2014
Malawian:

bros, forget all these your long points. 2015 elections will come and go. any occupation in lagos will be quelled by just 2 armoured tanks at freedom square. whatever they wish to do in kano does not concern anyone.

The occupation like i rightly pointed out will not change things but will trigger things that would be a game change see below

2 things might likely follow.

The president stepping aside as a result of the pressure by world powers (EU, US etc) and handing over to the senate president
The military body announcing a temporary assumption of office to enforce peace


if by commission or omission Jonathan steps aside that would be the beginning of new beginnings
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by FFKfuckedBIANCA: 2:29pm On Nov 21, 2014
Malawian:

whatever they wish to do in kano does not concern anyone.
Why?
Is Kano not still part of Nigeria?

When Nigeria divides, its gonna be TO YOUR TENT O ISREAL

you better start telling your governors to build sufficent refugee camps for you all. You are going back to Biafra

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Malawian(m): 2:33pm On Nov 21, 2014
FFKfuckedBIANCA:
Why?
Is Kano not still part of Nigeria?

When Nigeria divides, its gonna be TO YOUR TENT O ISREAL

you better start telling your governors to build sufficent refugee camps for you all. You are going back to Biafra
borno, yobe and adamawa are still part of nigeria, i does not stop me from meeting my yoruba chic on sunday. tongue tongue

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by OrlandoOwoh(m): 2:38pm On Nov 21, 2014
Descartes:


Very apt cool
I laugh. Was Biafran Zionist Movement, a group like MASSOB in the South East, able to take an ordinary radio station?

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by Descartes: 2:43pm On Nov 21, 2014
OrlandoOwoh:

I laugh. Was Biafran Zionist Movement, a group like MASSOB in the South East, able to take an ordinary radio station?

And so? undecided
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by cjrane: 3:14pm On Nov 21, 2014
kettykin:


The occupation like i rightly pointed out will not change things but will trigger things that would be a game change see below

2 things might likely follow.

The president stepping aside as a result of the pressure by world powers (EU, US etc) and handing over to the senate president
The military body announcing a temporary assumption of office to enforce peace


if by commission or omission Jonathan steps aside that would be the beginning of new beginnings

If a northern army officer illegally takes over power, no matter how temporary he says it will be, it will be over quickly for Nigeria. He cannot even quell the rebellion in the army, talk more around the country.
Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by cjrane: 3:20pm On Nov 21, 2014
FFKfuckedBIANCA:
Why?
Is Kano not still part of Nigeria?

When Nigeria divides, its gonna be TO YOUR TENT O ISREAL

you better start telling your governors to build sufficent refugee camps for you all. You are going back to Biafra


That won't be a bad idea as long as you will get zero oil money which is the cornerstone idea of dividing Nigeria grin. You better start planting groundnuts and millet now. Lets see how you can sustain your London being as lazy as you are. Thoughtless folks. grin

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Re: Are We Headed For Another Civil War In 2015? by 1025: 3:28pm On Nov 21, 2014
Orunto:
Your prognosis are sound. Don't you think that the IGP should arrest these people making all these inciting speeches capable of causing not only civil wars but also invasion of Nigeria by unscrupulous foreign agents?

u are right sir. the pempembility of tresmandatofasis will be tantamount to the constramatopology BUT let the igp start from the first person before this last man now. Asari Dokubo has said it to the hearing of the deaf and dumb that if jonathan no win, there will be no nigeria. is that a patriotic statement? did u call for his arrest? did they arrest him? hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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