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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 8:17am On Jul 01, 2016
Missy89:


You mean the first mentally ill person? What if he decides to be a bird in 2 years? Should we pass laws that will permit nesting in bathrooms?

#makeliberalssaneagain
Please tell me this is sincere sarcasm and not what I think it is.

If it is,am disappointed Missy.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 10:01am On Jul 01, 2016
ValerianSteel:
Please tell me this is sincere sarcasm and not what I think it is.

If it is,am disappointed Missy.

Sorry but people dont get to choose their gender. You are either born as a man or a woman. Someone masqurading as a woman still have male genetics and most of them have hairy balls and d1cks hanging between their legs.

Liberals think that they are helping these people by fighting for their bathroom rights instead of investing in mental care for them to bring them back to reality so why are we decieving ourself and celebrating idiocy?

Some top psychiatrist think this is true.

A man in Canada in his 40s was dressing like a 6 yrs old and claimed he is now six and was adopted by a couple which he calls daddy and mommy. Please where do we draw the line and start putting this people in the lonney bin?

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 11:59am On Jul 01, 2016
ValerianSteel: You are trying to silence everyone on this forum for speaking out against hillary. Somehow in your twisted little mind you think we should all support hillary and that any one who doesn't support her is fooling him or herself. This is the narrative that the new generation liberals are trying so hard to push. If you do not agree with them you are either a racist, bigot, sexist, misogynist, Islamophobic, homophobic etc. It ain't working no more. If you do not have any thing to say just agree that you have lost the argument and move on to the next issue.

Grow up!!!

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by GuyFawkes: 1:25pm On Jul 01, 2016
Missy89:


Sorry but people dont get to choose their gender. You are either born as a man or a woman. Someone masqurading as a woman still have male genetics and most of them have hairy balls and d1cks hanging between their legs.

Liberals think that they are helping these people by fighting for their bathroom rights instead of investing in mental care for them to bring them back to reality so why are we decieving ourself and celebrating idiocy?

Some top psychiatrist think this is true.

A man in Canada in his 40s was dressing like a 6 yrs old and claimed he is now six and was adopted by a couple which he calls daddy and mommy
. Please where do we draw the line and start putting this people in the lonney bin?
shocked shocked shocked
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 3:59pm On Jul 01, 2016
GuyFawkes:

shocked shocked shocked

True story. Look for the vid on YouTube
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by RedCapChief(m): 4:46pm On Jul 01, 2016
Missy89:


Sorry but people dont get to choose their gender. You are either born as a man or a woman. Someone masqurading as a woman still have male genetics and most of them have hairy balls and d1cks hanging between their legs.

Liberals think that they are helping these people by fighting for their bathroom rights instead of investing in mental care for them to bring them back to reality so why are we decieving ourself and celebrating idiocy?

Some top psychiatrist think this is true.

A man in Canada in his 40s was dressing like a 6 yrs old and claimed he is now six and was adopted by a couple which he calls daddy and mommy. Please where do we draw the line and start putting this people in the lonney bin?

Great comment. The problem with liberalism is that it prevents any sane discussion. The world is becoming a huge social experiment and we keep on allowing a lot of things to slide because we want to be liberal. It is sad the way people keep pushing the limits of insanity everyday.
When a 7yr old boy says he wants to become an astronaut, everybody laughs and thinks it is cute, When an 7 yr old wants to undergo a sex change, society encourages him.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 5:11am On Jul 02, 2016
Missy89:


Sorry but people dont get to choose their gender. You are either born as a man or a woman. Someone masqurading as a woman still have male genetics and most of them have hairy balls and d1cks hanging between their legs.

Liberals think that they are helping these people by fighting for their bathroom rights instead of investing in mental care for them to bring them back to reality so why are we decieving ourself and celebrating idiocy?

Some top psychiatrist think this is true.

A man in Canada in his 40s was dressing like a 6 yrs old and claimed he is now six and was adopted by a couple which he calls daddy and mommy. Please where do we draw the line and start putting this people in the lonney bin?
Missy you are very misinformed and know nothing about transgenders.You using same republican talking points.Am dissapointed that you appear very shallow on this subject.

It is the body of the individual and it's not your business or my business what they do with it.Unlike you conservatives,liberals have a rule-Respect,tolerance,Acceptance and Love.

Until people like yourself and million others embrace this rule,you'll remain nothing but dogmatic sentimental know nothing.You've probably been sharing bathrooms with a transgender woman all these while and you have no idea cause unlike your presumption that most of them have balls and big joysticks,actually most of them have pretty looking vaginas that cannot be easily be differentiated from yours.

The liberal argument is protection,a transgender woman does not threaten your existence,wellbeing,a transgender woman poses no threat to you.Instead of enabling a society or hate and rejection where persons like that are pushed out of the communities they work hard to support and the nation they love.You need go understand that respect the non-life threatening choices of another is what keeps a sane society.

If you conservatives have your way,we wouldn't know who is transgender or not,then one day your son will come home to you with one and you flip over feeling cheated and disgraced whereas this could have been changed if you respect them and make them comfortable to come out and be themselves.That way at least your son will have an idea of who he's getting down with.

No one has the right to tell another,this is how you should live your life or this is what is wrong about you and needs to be corrected.We all live and exist at be mercy of others who one way or the other accept us for we are.You conservatives need to learn this and allow it stick to your f*cking brains.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 5:21am On Jul 02, 2016
stanech:
ValerianSteel: You are trying to silence everyone on this forum for speaking out against hillary. Somehow in your twisted little mind you think we should all support hillary and that any one who doesn't support her is fooling him or herself. This is the narrative that the new generation liberals are trying so hard to push. If you do not agree with them you are either a racist, bigot, sexist, misogynist, Islamophobic, homophobic etc. It ain't working no more. If you do not have any thing to say just agree that you have lost the argument and move on to the next issue.

Grow up!!!

What do you get out of supporting Trump and running all these post on his behalf-lemme guess,nothing.In fact if he were to win this election,what you get is a travel ban on your Nigerian passport and a global economic recession.

Unlike you,am affected by the outcome of this election and am doing everything I can to get Hillary elected and stop Trump cause I can't afford a disaster that will haunt my nation or my children for generations.

On the other hand,I'll keep rebuffing and refuting your misinformation,lies and shallowness whenever you post here.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 6:33am On Jul 02, 2016
ValerianSteel:
What do you get out of supporting Trump and running all these post on his behalf-lemme guess,nothing.In fact if he were to win this election,what you get is a travel ban on your Nigerian passport and a global economic recession.

Unlike you,am affected by the outcome of this election and am doing everything I can to get Hillary elected and stop Trump cause I can't afford a disaster that will haunt my nation or my children for generations.

On the other hand,I'll keep rebuffing and refuting your misinformation,lies and shallowness whenever you post here.

Hillary Clinton is a total disaster. She refused to label Boko Haram as a terrorist organization after receiving $$$ from some powerful people in Nigeria. The money was paid into her scam Clinton foundation. She is the puppet of wall street, defense military complex and Israeli lobby group. These powerful entities have the deleted Benghazi emails and other atrocities she committed. They will use her to run the United State.

Crooked Hillary
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 6:37am On Jul 02, 2016
According to a June report, Hillary Clinton spent nearly $900,000 per day on TV ads in battleground states, and Donald J. Trump spent $0.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 8:41am On Jul 02, 2016
ValerianSteel:
Missy you are very misinformed and know nothing about transgenders.You using same republican talking points.Am dissapointed that you appear very shallow on this subject.

It is the body of the individual and it's not your business or my business what they do with it.Unlike you conservatives,liberals have a rule-Respect,tolerance,Acceptance and Love.

Until people like yourself and million others embrace this rule,you'll remain nothing but dogmatic sentimental know nothing.You've probably been sharing bathrooms with a transgender woman all these while and you have no idea cause unlike your presumption that most of them have balls and big joysticks,actually most of them have pretty looking vaginas that cannot be easily be differentiated from yours.

The liberal argument is protection,a transgender woman does not threaten your existence,wellbeing,a transgender woman poses no threat to you.Instead of enabling a society or hate and rejection where persons like that are pushed out of the communities they work hard to support and the nation they love.You need go understand that respect the non-life threatening choices of another is what keeps a sane society.

If you conservatives have your way,we wouldn't know who is transgender or not,then one day your son will come home to you with one and you flip over feeling cheated and disgraced whereas this could have been changed if you respect them and make them comfortable to come out and be themselves.That way at least your son will have an idea of who he's getting down with.

No one has the right to tell another,this is how you should live your life or this is what is wrong about you and needs to be corrected.We all live and exist at be mercy of others who one way or the other accept us for we are.You conservatives need to learn this and allow it stick to your f*cking brains.

Please this is pure nonsense. If liberals are so tolerant, why have they been forcing innocent bakers to bake the wedding cakes of gay people even when they dont want to for religious reasons?

No we dont live to be at the mercy of others. We should all live our lives without someone forcing us to accept what is religiously untenable and denying religious freedom in the process. The lgbt community is always up in arms against american christains and conservatives but not muslims. Why is that? Is it because muslims will not debate them but throw them off a building instead?

You are either born a man or a woman. That is not an ingnorant statement. If you think you are something else you need help. Why is the suicide rate high among transgenders after they go thru a sex change? Explain that to me.

If you are a straight guy will you date Caitlyn Jenner? And do you think it is cool to tell kids it is okay if they want to swtich sex?

There might be a few people who totally oppose gays that are conservative. But no one is not out to get them . instead you can lose your job for saying you do not support gay marriage because the gaystapo are always roving online to see whos life they will ruin everyweek for exercising their first amendment rights

Your Clinton is cozy with the Saudis. How are they treating gays there? But you are trying to lecture conservatives? Smh

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 10:32am On Jul 02, 2016
Missy89:


Please this is pure nonsense. If liberals are so tolerant, why have they been forcing innocent bakers to bake the wedding cakes of gay people even when they dont want to for religious reasons?
Discrimination.As long as your services are open to the public and you get paid for it,there's no explanation to why you'd choose to serve many and reject select few cause of their sexual orientation or identity.This was how racism used to operate,enabling this kind of discrimination is enabling hate,marginalization,segregation,it is not just wrong,it is demeaning and if allowed would set an awful precedent of prejudice against a certain group of persons according to the business owner's discretion

Today it is refusing services to the gays,tomorrow it may well be refusing services to Christians,Muslims,Jews,native Americans,blacks,just name it.This is not the American society,causing baking a cake for a gay couple doesn't take away the credibility of you being able to bake good cakes,it doesn't affect your business,it in facts adds to it cause you make money for your job.It is inexcusable when conservatives think they have the right to deny a gay couple basic services like baking their wedding cakes.

A good example is this.90% of the Fashion industry is owned by gay individuals,the power house global fashion names are gay men.Straight people have been wearing outfits made by these individuals to their wedding.Imagine if it was the gay men who refused to make wedding dresses.You guys would scream the gays want special privileges.Then why do you think conservatives should have the special privilege to deny basic services to fellow humans.It is hypocritical and makes no sense whatsoever.

No we dont live to be at the mercy of others. We should all live our lives without someone forcing us to accept what is religiously untenable and denying religious freedom in the process. The lgbt community is always up in arms against american christains and conservatives but not muslims. Why is that? Is it because muslims will not debate them but throw them off a building instead?
You are wrong,peoplelive their lives at the mercy of others who accept them as they are and take no interest in their flaws or complications.Conservatives want people to live their lives based on their own moral and self-righteous standards and if this were to happen,gay men would be forced to enter sham marriages just to appeal to the heterosexual standard set for them by conservatives.This is the contrast with liberals,I have no right to dictate to you how you live your life,who your love or have sex with.Cause none of that should define the way I see you,which is-as another human being like myself.

FYI,it is the Christians that have been championing religious discrimination laws against gays.I haven't seen Muslims protest against the LGBT community in the United States like our Christians do.They are the ones fueling hate and discrimination in their churches against gays not Muslims.Imagine if a Muslim state legislator at the state or federal level tries to introduce sharia law cause he believes he wants to protect his religion and has a right to uphold his believes against gays,what would be your response to that.

You are either born a man or a woman. That is not an ingnorant statement. If you think you are something else you need help. Why is the suicide rate high among transgenders after they go thru a sex change? Explain that to me.
You are either born with a two inch waist and a four inch wide chest,if you think you are something else and should like Kim Kardashian then you need help.

If the logic is to have people remain the same way they are born and not alter their bodies.Then we should let people born with certain medical conditions remain that way since nature seems to be at work with that.We shouldn't help Siamese Twins when they are born.Most importantly people should stop enhancing their bodies through plastic surgeries cause they were not born that way rightundecided


If you are a straight guy will you date Caitlyn Jenner? And do you think it is cool to tell kids it is okay if they want to swtich sex?
I have no attractions or inclinations whatever to Cait,but who knows someone out there probably does.Which is why we must support a free and open society wher transgenders won't feel the need to hide who they are.Humans will always be humans,any straight guy would fall for a crazily sexy woman,he may be turned off when he knows she's transgender,but there are people who don't see it that way and have no problem having a thing with them.People should not be made to live a lie.Just as my signature reads-Fake happiness is the worst kind of sadness ever.

There might be a few people who totally oppose gays that are conservative. But no one is not out to get them . instead you can lose your job for saying you do not support gay marriage because the gaystapo are always roving online to see whos life they will ruin everyweek for exercising their first amendment rights.
Do some liberals take it overboard sometimes?Yes they do but what remains unsaid is-hate anywhere is hate everywhere,discrimination anywhere is discrimination everywhere,intolerance today is persecution tomorrow.

Your Clinton is cozy with the Saudis. How are they treating gays there? But you are trying to lecture conservatives? Smh
Right out of republican play books.

The United States is in diplomatic relationship with Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries that kill gays.The only thing the United States can do is to push and influence a change in such direction,we can't police or dictate to them to stop this.It is a systematic and diligent process,one which Hillary Clinton championed as Secretary of State.For the first time,the United States included LGBT advocacy in State Department policies.

You can google are famous "Gay rights are Human rights" Geneva speech.She has done more for the progression of LGBT rights and influenced countries like Uganda and Kenya from passing dangerous anti-LGBT 'kill the gays' law.

Russia passed their law,Nigeria did the same,A few other countries uphold the death penalty for same-sex acts but should we pull out from having stable relationships with theses countries just cause of that.No we won't achieve anything that way.Instead a steady and diplomatic approach is the goal.Secretary Clinton did just this and made LGBT right part of her foreign policy.





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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 11:09am On Jul 02, 2016
ValerianSteel:
Discrimination.As long as your services are open to the public and you get paid for it,there's no explanation to why you'd choose to serve many and reject select few cause of their sexual orientation or identity.This was how racism used to operate,enabling this kind of discrimination is enabling hate,marginalization,segregation,it is not just wrong,it is demeaning and if allowed would set an awful precedent of prejudice against a certain group of persons according to the business owner's discretion

Today it is refusing services to the gays,tomorrow it may well be refusing services to Christians,Muslims,Jews,native Americans,blacks,just name it.This is not the American society,causing baking a cake for a gay couple doesn't take away the credibility of you being able to bake good cakes,it doesn't affect your business,it in facts adds to it cause you make money for your job.It is inexcusable when conservatives think they have the right to deny a gay couple basic services like baking their wedding cakes.

A good example is this.90% of the Fashion industry is owned by gay individuals,the power house global fashion names are gay men.Straight people have been wearing outfits made by these individuals to their wedding.Imagine if it was the gay men who refused to make wedding dresses.You guys would scream the gays want special privileges.Then why do you think conservatives should have the special privilege to deny basic services to fellow humans.It is hypocritical and makes no sense whatsoever.

You are wrong,peoplelive their lives at the mercy of others who accept them as they are and take no interest in their flaws or complications.Conservatives want people to live their lives based on their own moral and self-righteous standards and if this were to happen,gay men would be forced to enter sham marriages just to appeal to the heterosexual standard set for them by conservatives.This is the contrast with liberals,I have no right to dictate to you how you live your life,who your love or have sex with.Cause none of that should define the way I see you,which is-as another human being like myself.

FYI,it is the Christians that have been championing religious discrimination laws against gays.I haven't seen Muslims protest against the LGBT community in the United States like our Christians do.They are the ones fueling hate and discrimination in their churches against gays not Muslims.Imagine if a Muslim state legislator at the state or federal level tries to introduce sharia law cause he believes he wants to protect his religion and has a right to uphold his believes against gays,what would be your response to that.

You are either born with a two inch waist and a four inch wide chest,if you think you are something else and should like Kim Kardashian then you need help.

If the logic is to have people remain the same way they are born and not alter their bodies.Then we should let people born with certain medical conditions remain that way since nature seems to be at work with that.We shouldn't help Siamese Twins when they are born.Most importantly people should stop enhancing their bodies through plastic surgeries cause they were not born that way rightundecided


I have no attractions or inclinations whatever to Cait,but who knows someone out there probably does.Which is why we must support a free and open society wher transgenders won't feel the need to hide who they are.Humans will always be humans,any straight guy would fall for a crazily sexy woman,he may be turned off when he knows she's transgender,but there are people who don't see it that way and have no problem having a thing with them.People should not be made to live a lie.Just as my signature reads-Fake happiness is the worst kind of sadness ever.

Do some liberals take it overboard sometimes?Yes they do but what remains unsaid is-hate anywhere is hate everywhere,discrimination anywhere is discrimination everywhere,intolerance today is persecution tomorrow.

Right out of republican play books.

The United States is in diplomatic relationship with Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries that kill gays.The only thing the United States can do is to push and influence a change in such direction,we can't police or dictate to them to stop this.It is a systematic and diligent process,one which Hillary Clinton championed as Secretary of State.For the first time,the United States included LGBT advocacy in State Department policies.

You can google are famous "Gay rights are Human rights" Geneva speech.She has done more for the progression of LGBT rights and influenced countries like Uganda and Kenya from passing dangerous anti-LGBT 'kill the gays' law.

Russia passed their law,Nigeria did the same,A few other countries uphold the death penalty for same-sex acts but should we pull out from having stable relationships with theses countries just cause of that.No we won't achieve anything that way.Instead a steady and diplomatic approach is the goal.Secretary Clinton did just this and made LGBT right part of her foreign policy.





kenya law on anti-gay has remained the same since the first time the constitution was introduced http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/africa/kenya-gay-anal-exams.html

but BTW kenya has never attempted to pass a law to kill gays.... infact since 1981 no one has ever been killed or hanged for any crime even those that the law says should be killed like muderes, child rapists.... the just end up life in prison, so it would be really ironic to kill gays and leave serial killers alive in jail

Uganda gays face one of the most stringent actions in Africa.....
how many people have actually been sentenced to death for bieng homos in Nigeria after the laws were passed? in reality these things are never really implimented...

im the history of the anti gay law in kenya since independence... there have only been like 4 cases in which people whent to court for bieng gay... and no outside influence led to that little arrest... in most of the times the police would arrest people then look for a reason to release themselves and sometime take bribes and release them because they see it as a waste of there time trying to investigate soomeone for bieng gay
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 1:11pm On Jul 02, 2016
denisfidha:
kenya law on anti-gay has remained the same since the first time the constitution was introduced http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/africa/kenya-gay-anal-exams.html

but BTW kenya has never attempted to pass a law to kill gays.... infact since 1981 no one has ever been killed or hanged for any crime even those that the law says should be killed like muderes, child rapists.... the just end up life in prison, so it would be really ironic to kill gays and leave serial killers alive in jail

Uganda gays face one of the most stringent actions in Africa.....
how many people have actually been sentenced to death for bieng homos in Nigeria after the laws were passed? in reality these things are never really implimented...

im the history of the anti gay law in kenya since independence... there have only been like 4 cases in which people whent to court for bieng gay... and no outside influence led to that little arrest... in most of the times the police would arrest people then look for a reason to release themselves and sometime take bribes and release them because they see it as a waste of there time trying to investigate soomeone for bieng gay
You clearly didn't comprehend well.Kenya made attempts to introduce a 'kill the gays' bills patterned after that of Uganda,it was quickly defeated through efforts from the United States and United Kingdom.

I read up on Nigerian news and For a fact I know homosexuals have been tried in court and the penal code stipulates a 14years sentence.The law passed by Jonathan stipulates same sentence for suspected gays.The law in Islamic northern Nigeria is the sharia law which is the death penalty for suspected homosexuals proven to be found in same-sex acts.

Every codified law is implemented.If law enforcement sometimes bypass the law doesn't equate that the law doesn't exist.That individual X circumvents the law today doesn't mean individual Y won't face it tomorrow.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 1:46pm On Jul 02, 2016
ValerianSteel:
You clearly didn't comprehend well.Kenya made attempts to introduce a 'kill the gays' bills patterned after that of Uganda,it was quickly defeated through efforts from the United States and United Kingdom.

I read up on Nigerian news and For a fact I know homosexuals have been tried in court and the penal code stipulates a 14years sentence.The law passed by Jonathan stipulates same sentence for suspected gays.The law in Islamic northern Nigeria is the sharia law which is the death penalty for suspected homosexuals proven to be found in same-sex acts.

Every codified law is implemented.If law enforcement sometimes bypass the law doesn't equate that the law doesn't exist.That individual X circumvents the law today doesn't mean individual Y won't face it tomorrow.
anyone can introduce a crazy bill in parliament, depending on the crazyness will determine how quick a bill can be turn down before it even reaches the discussion stage..and to credit that to US and britain is one big misinformation... infact if I were to recon, I would say outside influence from western countries is what has made africa countries to attempt to pass even more brutal laws, or have individual. citizens be violent on suspected gays....... infact if you look closely you will realise that most countries that changed their anti gay laws did so after an atept by western countries to influence them......



and if you think US and Brts have still have power to make people. change such fundental views just by exerting some pressure then you couldnt be more wrong.... US and Brit told kenya not to elect preaident kenyatta as there would be consiquences for kenya and some analyst say those comments are what gave kenyatta more votes as a results of citizens bieng defiant in resisting outside influence


this is what kenyan president told obama straight to his face after obama tried to lecture kenyatta on gays and lesbians


President Kenyatta was visibly uncomfortable throughout Obama’s comments.
However, after being pressed by a reporter, he remarked that President Obama’s comments highlight a difference between the United States and Africa.
“The fact of the matter is Kenya and the U.S. share so many values: common love for democracy, entrepreneurship, value for families–these are some things that we share,” he said. “But there are some things that we must admit we don’t share. Our culture, our societies don’t accept.”
He went on to argue that calling for tolerance of LGBT Africans is to impose one’s will on a foreign culture, and that, to most Kenyans, the recent liberalization of marriage laws across the globe is a non-issue.
He also said that Kenya has many more problems to focus on, and that the West should be helping them on issues related to equality for women, water sanitation, and economic growth before attacking laws many Kenyans view as an important safeguard of their culture.
President Kenyatta is not the only important Kenyan leader taking a stand for his country’s opposition to homosexuality. Much of the Kenyan clergy has been quick to strike back at President Obama’s assertions.
Cardinal John Onaiyekan, the Catholic Archbishop of the Abuja Diocese in Kenya,
said on Sunday:
Even if people don’t like us for it, our church has always said homosexuality is unnatural and marriage is between a man and a woman. There is no such thing as marriage between two men or marriage between two women, whatever they do among themselves should not be called marriage.
“There is no question of the Catholic Church changing its positions on this matter,” he boldly stated.
Before coming to Kenya, President Obama was warned by top Kenyan political figures not to mention homosexuality, gay rights, or other aspects of his socially liberal agenda on his visit.
“We are telling Mr. Obama when he comes to Kenya this month and he tries to bring the abortion agenda, the gay agenda, we shall tell him to shut up and go home,” Irungu Kangata, a national leader, told demonstrators outside Kenya’s Parliament earlier this month.
“Liberal thoughts are being tolerated in some countries under the guise of human rights,” Kenyan National Assembly Speaker Justin Muturi said. “We must be vigilant and guard against [gay marriage and abortion].”
“We must lead an upright society and not allow obnoxious behavior, as we have a responsibility to our children,” Muturi also said.





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in my opinon, a country like kenya could have talen it easy for LGBT community if it wasnt for the west trying to influence opinions and beliefs.... there is a tribe in kenya where they alow a sort of lesbian relationship if a the husband dies and was in a poligamous marriage with two wives, the community then accepta the two windowers to become head of the house and they are treated as couples, things like these were tolareted for generations, no one used to bother, but when western contries had a name for everything thats when people became aware of things... there people who are gay in lenya and people know, even some famouse radio presenters, but they dont face that much hate, thats until some envoy from aawestern country attempts to talk about gays then the cy le of hate starts
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 2:50pm On Jul 02, 2016
ValerianSteel:
What do you get out of supporting Trump and running all these post on his behalf-lemme guess,nothing.In fact if he were to win this election,what you get is a travel ban on your Nigerian passport and a global economic recession.

Unlike you,am affected by the outcome of this election and am doing everything I can to get Hillary elected and stop Trump cause I can't afford a disaster that will haunt my nation or my children for generations.

On the other hand,I'll keep rebuffing and refuting your misinformation,lies and shallowness whenever you post here.


You think I am shallow but your response to every Trump supporter so far on this thread is to "worry about Nigeria", if this election is not important to us why did someone create a topic for it on this forum.

PS The outcome of the election is important to me and for you to think or say otherwise shows how myopic and stupid you are.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 3:20pm On Jul 02, 2016
ValerianSteel:
Discrimination.As long as your services are open to the public and you get paid for it,there's no explanation to why you'd choose to serve many and reject select few cause of their sexual orientation or identity.This was how racism used to operate,enabling this kind of discrimination is enabling hate,marginalization,segregation,it is not just wrong,it is demeaning and if allowed would set an awful precedent of prejudice against a certain group of persons according to the business owner's discretion

Today it is refusing services to the gays,tomorrow it may well be refusing services to Christians,Muslims,Jews,native Americans,blacks,just name it.This is not the American society,causing baking a cake for a gay couple doesn't take away the credibility of you being able to bake good cakes,it doesn't affect your business,it in facts adds to it cause you make money for your job.It is inexcusable when conservatives think they have the right to deny a gay couple basic services like baking their wedding cakes.

A good example is this.90% of the Fashion industry is owned by gay individuals,the power house global fashion names are gay men.Straight people have been wearing outfits made by these individuals to their wedding.Imagine if it was the gay men who refused to make wedding dresses.You guys would scream the gays want special privileges.Then why do you think conservatives should have the special privilege to deny basic services to fellow humans.It is hypocritical and makes no sense whatsoever.

You are wrong,peoplelive their lives at the mercy of others who accept them as they are and take no interest in their flaws or complications.Conservatives want people to live their lives based on their own moral and self-righteous standards and if this were to happen,gay men would be forced to enter sham marriages just to appeal to the heterosexual standard set for them by conservatives.This is the contrast with liberals,I have no right to dictate to you how you live your life,who your love or have sex with.Cause none of that should define the way I see you,which is-as another human being like myself.

FYI,it is the Christians that have been championing religious discrimination laws against gays.I haven't seen Muslims protest against the LGBT community in the United States like our Christians do.They are the ones fueling hate and discrimination in their churches against gays not Muslims.Imagine if a Muslim state legislator at the state or federal level tries to introduce sharia law cause he believes he wants to protect his religion and has a right to uphold his believes against gays,what would be your response to that.

You are either born with a two inch waist and a four inch wide chest,if you think you are something else and should like Kim Kardashian then you need help.

If the logic is to have people remain the same way they are born and not alter their bodies.Then we should let people born with certain medical conditions remain that way since nature seems to be at work with that.We shouldn't help Siamese Twins when they are born.Most importantly people should stop enhancing their bodies through plastic surgeries cause they were not born that way rightundecided


I have no attractions or inclinations whatever to Cait,but who knows someone out there probably does.Which is why we must support a free and open society wher transgenders won't feel the need to hide who they are.Humans will always be humans,any straight guy would fall for a crazily sexy woman,he may be turned off when he knows she's transgender,but there are people who don't see it that way and have no problem having a thing with them.People should not be made to live a lie.Just as my signature reads-Fake happiness is the worst kind of sadness ever.

Do some liberals take it overboard sometimes?Yes they do but what remains unsaid is-hate anywhere is hate everywhere,discrimination anywhere is discrimination everywhere,intolerance today is persecution tomorrow.

Right out of republican play books.

The United States is in diplomatic relationship with Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries that kill gays.The only thing the United States can do is to push and influence a change in such direction,we can't police or dictate to them to stop this.It is a systematic and diligent process,one which Hillary Clinton championed as Secretary of State.For the first time,the United States included LGBT advocacy in State Department policies.

You can google are famous "Gay rights are Human rights" Geneva speech.She has done more for the progression of LGBT rights and influenced countries like Uganda and Kenya from passing dangerous anti-LGBT 'kill the gays' law.

Russia passed their law,Nigeria did the same,A few other countries uphold the death penalty for same-sex acts but should we pull out from having stable relationships with theses countries just cause of that.No we won't achieve anything that way.Instead a steady and diplomatic approach is the goal.Secretary Clinton did just this and made LGBT right part of her foreign policy.



This is the problem with liberals. Their way or the highway. If you dont want to bake a cake for religious reasons. That is not discrimination. You have religious reasons not to do so if you choose not to.

Comparing it to racism is not actually factual because a racist person has no legal reason not to work with you. Religious freedom is a protected under the constitution.

If i dont want to bake your cake, you can go somewhere else and i will loose the money. If an imam refuses to be your wedding officiant because you are a christian, for religious reasons, is that discrimination?

Why are you liberals hell bent on destroying the constitution?

Your kim kardashian example makes no sense. We are talking about genes here. It is either male or female. Nothing in between. If you think you are something else. You need medical help.

Muslims are a minority in the US but you can ask any muslim if they support gay marriges they will say NO. Every poll says this. A conservative guy Steven Crowder went to Dearborn Michigan ( muslim majority city) with a secret camera to ask bakers there to bake a gay cake. They all rejected it flat out. You wont see gays protesting there. The video is on youtube.

Giving speeches doesn't stop or change people's mind. The countries you mentioned are still very anti gay. When will the gaystapo go there to protest and leave poor bakers trying to practice their religion and live in peace alone?

I noticed you dont want to date Cait. Why are you not attracted to him?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 4:38pm On Jul 02, 2016
Both Bill Clinton and AG Loretta Lynch's conduct was improper. It's okay to say a quick 'hello, how is the family doing', and move on.

But no, the Attorney-general held a 30 minute conversation with the husband of a woman that is under FBI investigation. Although, their meeting wasn't technically illegal, it raises moral concerns as to whether the career DOJ officers wouldn't feel subtle pressure to not indict Hillary.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 4:43pm On Jul 02, 2016
CFCman:
Both Bill Clinton and AG Loretta Lynch's conduct was improper. It's okay to say a quick 'hello, how is the family doing', and move on.

But no, the Attorney-general held a 30 minute conversation with the husband of a woman that is under FBI investigation. Although, their meeting wasn't technically illegal, it raises moral concerns as to whether the career DOJ officers wouldn't feel subtle pressure to not indict Hillary.

Isnt that the person you are voting for?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 4:46pm On Jul 02, 2016
Missy89:


Isnt that the person you are voting for?


Yes. But I'll be among the first people to admit that that meeting was unethical. However, I'll take AG Lynch at her word that all they discussed were grand kids and golf..

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 5:16pm On Jul 02, 2016
CFCman:


Yes. But I'll be among the first people to admit that that meeting was unethical. However, I'll take AG Lynch at her word that all they discussed were grand kids and golf..
Yes you are right. I have problems with that meeting between Bill and Loretta Lynch knowing that Bill Clinton was the one who appointed her as US Attorney for the Southern District of New York. That doesn't stop my support for Hillary though. You can't go through a Presidential campaign without hitches.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 5:19pm On Jul 02, 2016
Missy89:


Isnt that the person you are voting for?

I guess CFCman should withdraw his support for Hillary because of that one single misstep ?. Just asking?. I dont agree with that meeting too and I thought it was a big mistake by Bill and the AG.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 7:57pm On Jul 02, 2016
Hillary has given a voluntary interview with the FBI.Lasted 3hours,I was expecting a 7hour interview seriously.

Most likely FBI would make a recommendation before Convention.Either case I want this wrapped up pretty soon so Republicans can go back to digging up a new scandal.

Let's remind ourselves this,Republicans ignored the 22million emails deleted by Bush,ignored Condi and Powell's use of private server which they never turned over a single email but wait Hillary is the witch and she has to go down to even when she turns over 33,000 emails.

#KnowTheRealDevils.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 8:15pm On Jul 02, 2016
ValerianSteel:
Hillary has given a voluntary interview with the FBI.Lasted 3hours,I was expecting a 7hour interview seriously.

Most likely FBI would make a recommendation before Convention.Either case I want this wrapped up pretty soon so Republicans can go back to digging up a new scandal.

Let's remind ourselves this,Republicans ignored the 22million emails deleted by Bush,ignored Condi and Powell's use of private server which they never turned over a single email but wait Hillary is the witch and she has to go down to even when she turns over 33,000 emails.

#KnowTheRealDevils.
The Google heads here foaming in the mouths don't know anything about the other Secretary of States doing the same thing Hillary did. They just come on nairaland and put out some junks they pulled out of Right Wing hate blogs that hates folks like them . Keep giving them hell like Harry Truman said.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 9:36pm On Jul 02, 2016
CFCman:


Yes. But I'll be among the first people to admit that that meeting was unethical. However, I'll take AG Lynch at her word that all they discussed were grand kids and golf..

Wow. Are you really that naive? Taking politicians at their word. Smh

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Nobody: 9:42pm On Jul 02, 2016
Missy89:


Wow. Are you really that naive? Taking politicians at their word. Smh
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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 9:55pm On Jul 02, 2016
Maybe he's going after Jews too,who goes next?

Trump tweeted a mocking graphic of Hillary with the Star of David earlier on.He deleted the tweet and remodified it.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 10:00pm On Jul 02, 2016
Lucasbalo:
I guess CFCman should withdraw his support for Hillary because of that one single misstep ?. Just asking?. I dont agree with that meeting too and I thought it was a big mistake by Bill and the AG.

Single mistep? When will you see the sign that she is dirty?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 10:52pm On Jul 02, 2016
Missy89:


Single mistep? When will you see the sign that she is dirty?
You don't want to go there Missy. Why don't you ask Hillary predecessors at State Department Condolezza Rice and General Powell the same question?.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 10:56pm On Jul 02, 2016
Missy89:


Wow. Are you really that naive? Taking politicians at their word. Smh
Sorry Missy, The AG is not a politician. She's the Numero Uno Law Enforcement officer in the country. Your problem with her is her being appointed AG by Obama.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 10:58pm On Jul 02, 2016
ValerianSteel:
Maybe he's going after Jews too,who goes next?

Trump tweeted a mocking graphic of Hillary with the Star of David earlier on.He deleted the tweet and remodified it.
What do you expect from the Bigoted Tramp. The avalanche of defeats that's awaiting the Republicon party will be historical.

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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 11:03pm On Jul 02, 2016
Lucasbalo:
Sorry Missy, The AG is not a politician. She's the Numero Uno Law Enforcement officer in the country. Your problem with her is her being appointed AG by Obama.

You should know better. She is a politician thru and thru

She even got an appointment from the clintons before. How do you think political appointments are made? Are you guys really that naive? Most judges and carrer prosecutors have been into politics all their life.

Smh

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