malvisguy212:

The God in the Old Testament seems to have many personalities; cruel, unjust, kind, loving, etc." There
are, however, two major areas which we humans have a difficult time reconciling - God's love vs. God's righteousness. God is loving, but God's love requires God's justice. As I discipline my three children when they disobey, God disciplines us if we don't meet His requirements. The problem for us is that we cannot keep all of God's laws because of our selfishness and self-centeredness. God would have been completely just and loving in destroying all of us for our disobedience to Him. It is only through His extraordinary love and grace that we are allowed into His presence.

malvisguy212:

.... "You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. ( Deuteronomy 12:31)

Exoduse 32: 27He said to them, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, “Put your sword on your side, each of you! Go back and forth from gate to gate throughout the camp, and each of you kill your brother, your friend, and your neighbour.” ’ 28The sons of Levi did as Moses commanded, and about three thousand of the people fell on that day. 29Moses said, ‘Today you have ordained yourselves* for the service of the Lord, each one at the cost of a son or a brother, and so have brought a blessing on yourselves this day.’

malvisguy212:

....... in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. ( Deuteronomy 9:5)

malvisguy212:

The wickedness of these people is confirmed in other verses of the Bible. So we see that these people are not quite as innocent as the atheists would like you to believe. The fact that these people practiced child sacrifice is also confirmed in the secular writings of the Greeks.

2 Kings:
So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.

Deuteronomy 28: 33 And you shall eat the fruit of your womb, the flesh of your sons and daughters, whom the Lord your God has given you, in the siege and in the distress with which your enemies shall distress you. 54 The man who is the most tender and refined among you will begrudge food to his brother, to the wife he embraces,4 and to the last of the children whom he has left,

herald9:
Firstly...how would these people have known the God of the Jews when this same God forbids them from interacting with them...calling them 'Gentiles' .Yet when these people did what seem right to them...he got angry and destroyed them with vengeance...What kind of a God is that?

Secondly,why would a god who claimed to have created everyone in his own image,favour some and discriminate against others...if you were the one will you still worship a god who doesn't care about you? Wouldn't you find solace in another place?

I don't know what kinda mentality the O.T god had...seems he was truly 'the most high'

malvisguy212:

God's judgment of people groups found in the Old Testament actually pales in comparison to the judgment He will render at the end of time. According to the New Testament Book of Revelation, God will judge and kill billions of people who reject Him when Jesus returns, including 200 million killed in a single battle. Such large armies have never existed in the history of mankind until the last 100 years, suggesting the this judgment could come at any time.

1 Corinthians 13:
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[b] 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.8 Love never ends.

malvisguy212:

THE CHILDREN.
In some instances, God ordered the killing of entire populations, presumably including the killing of babies and children. Isn't God unrighteous in killing these innocent little ones? First of all, the Bible indicates that all people are sinners, including
babies, and worthy of judgment. However, the Bible also indicates that children are incapable of making moral choices, so that they are automatically rewarded with heaven. So, in having babies killed, God is actually doing them a favor,

malvisguy212:

If God let everyone into heaven, then He would have to allow in people such as Stalin and Hitler. Obviously, heaven would not be a good place to be with the likes of those people there.

musKeeto:

The GOD you refer to in the Old Testament is/was the God of Israel. He revealed himself to the Israelites through Abraham, and marked them as His. They were his responsibility, thus if he wanted all of them dead for such heinous acts like [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+35%3A2&version=ESV]working on the Sabbath[/url] or [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2025:11-12]hitting a man's privates while trying to protect your husband[/url], it was within his rights to do that. No one would care.

The issue here is he didn't reveal himself to the other tribes. Just as he was a God to the Israelites, the Ammonites and other tribes had their own Gods whom they worshiped and served. I loved the parent-child analogy you used in the OP. How would you feel if your neighbor walked into your home, and smacked your kid and raped your daughters because they do not acknowledge him as their Father? As different fathers have different relationships and rules by which they guide their kids, so also the different Gods have their own rules and regulations. Wouldn't it be insane for a father to be jealous that other kids do not refer to him as Father?

I also detect hypocrisy in one of the verses...


Isn't this the same God that sanctioned this?


Of course, all this was done.....

malvisguy212:
The God in the Old Testament seems to have many
personalities; cruel, unjust, kind, loving, etc." There
are, however, two major areas which we humans
have a difficult time reconciling - God's love vs. God's righteousness. God is loving, but God's love requires God's justice. As I discipline my three children when they disobey, God disciplines us if we don't meet His requirements. The problem for us is that we cannot keep all of God's laws because of our selfishness and self-centeredness. God would have been completely just and loving in destroying all of us for our disobedience to Him. It is only through His extraordinary love and grace that we are allowed into His presence.


If you were to read atheist's websites, you will often find complaints that the God of the Bible arbitrarily ordered the destruction of entire cities, such as
Jericho, just to allow the Jews to have a homeland in the Middle East. How could a loving God command the destruction of all those "innocent" people? The
argument sounds good, but it is utterly
false. The unstated assumption is that the people
who God ordered destroyed were morally equivalent to the Jews, who replaced them. However, this is what the Bible says about the people who were destroyed:

"It is not for your righteousness or for the
uprightness of your heart that you are going to
possess their land, but it is because of the
wickedness of these nations that the LORD your
God is driving them out before you, in order to
confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your
fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
( Deuteronomy 9:5)

Okay, how "wicked" could those people have been?
How about killing their own sons and daughters by
burning them in sacrifices to their gods:

"You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your
God, for every abominable act which the LORD
hates they have done for their gods; for they even
burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their
gods. ( Deuteronomy 12:31)

The wickedness of these people is confirmed in other verses of the Bible. So we see that these people are not quite as innocent as the atheists would like you to believe. The fact that these people practiced child sacrifice is also confirmed in the secular writings of the Greeks. Then again, maybe those atheists believe that killing your children is not all bad. After all, killing viable pre-born babies is legal in this country (it's called a choice, a.k.a. abortion). For these reasons (and others), God ordered the destruction of the peoples whom the Israelites dispossessed. Did God kill any innocent people along with the evil ones? When God was about to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked God if He would destroy the cities if there were 50 righteous people in them. God said no. Then Abraham asked the same question if there were 45 righteous people. Every time he dropped the number and got the same answer. The fact is that God would not have destroyed those cities if there were any righteous people in them. The few righteous who were in those cities He warned ahead of time to get out. So, God does not destroy the righteous along with the evil. God's judgment of people groups found in the Old Testament actually pales in comparison to the judgment He will render at the end of time. According to the New Testament Book of Revelation, God will judge and kill billions of people who reject Him when Jesus returns, including 200 million killed in a single battle. Such large armies have never existed in the history of mankind until the last 100 years, suggesting the this judgment could come at any time.

THE CHILDREN.
In some instances, God ordered the killing of entire
populations, presumably including the killing of
babies and children. Isn't God unrighteous in killing
these innocent little ones? [b]

First of all, the Bible
indicates that all people are sinners, including
babies, and worthy of judgment. However, the
Bible also indicates that children are incapable of
making moral choices, so that they are automatically
rewarded with heaven. So, in having babies killed,
God is actually doing them a favor, since, if they had
grown up opposed to God, they would have gone to
hell. If God were to have spared some of the
children, it would have been difficult to determine
the cutoff age.

A one-year old is probably still
[/b]relatively uncorrupted by his parents, but what about a two-year old? I have personally seen a number of spoiled two-year olds who had already been corrupted by their parents. In a society where moral corruption abounds, the corruption of the children would be early and severe. God was very clear that he did not want the sons and daughters of the corrupted peoples to marry the sons and daughters of the Israelites to lead them astray through false worship. Even so, there are many examples of the Israelites being polluted in their worship by the surrounding peoples.

CONCLUSION;
In order to maintain His righteousness, God must
judge sin - everything that goes against His character. If God let everyone into heaven, then He would have to allow in people such as Stalin and Hitler. Obviously, heaven would not be a good place to be with the likes of those people there. Therefore, God's righteousness requires the judgment of all sin. Only those people who agree with God and are willing to allow themselves to be changed into sinless beings can enter into heaven.

musKeeto:

hahaha, so why are you against abortion? We would the kids a favor afterall.


Christian guy rapes innocent Muslim girl to death. Muslim girl goes to hell because she didn't believe Jesus is the son of God. Christian guy ask for forgiveness. Makes heaven. Checkmate atheists.

Anomnity:
@OP. Malvisguy212 God bless and reward you with wisdom and excellence.I've always seen these ungodly wicked atheists and even so called christians accusing God of wickedness and It pained me a lot that there's none among the faithful on this forum that can prove to them that those people and nations were extremely evil in their ways despite Gods warnings.

You'll always see in the bible where God still gave them a lot of time while in their extreme wickedness and bloodshed saying their cup is not yet full or their time is not yet come.Yet the evil people on this forum are quick to label God as wicked.

malvisguy212:
The God in the Old Testament seems to have many
personalities; cruel, unjust, kind, loving, etc." There
are, however, two major areas which we humans
have a difficult time reconciling - God's love vs. God's righteousness. God is loving, but God's love requires God's justice. As I discipline my three children when they disobey, God disciplines us if we don't meet His requirements. The problem for us is that we cannot keep all of God's laws because of our selfishness and self-centeredness. God would have been completely just and loving in destroying all of us for our disobedience to Him. It is only through His extraordinary love and grace that we are allowed into His presence.


If you were to read atheist's websites, you will often find complaints that the God of the Bible arbitrarily ordered the destruction of entire cities, such as
Jericho, just to allow the Jews to have a homeland in the Middle East. How could a loving God command the destruction of all those "innocent" people? The
argument sounds good, but it is utterly
false. The unstated assumption is that the people
who God ordered destroyed were morally equivalent to the Jews, who replaced them. However, this is what the Bible says about the people who were destroyed:

"It is not for your righteousness or for the
uprightness of your heart that you are going to
possess their land, but it is because of the
wickedness of these nations that the LORD your
God is driving them out before you, in order to
confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your
fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
( Deuteronomy 9:5)

Okay, how "wicked" could those people have been?
How about killing their own sons and daughters by
burning them in sacrifices to their gods:

"You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your
God, for every abominable act which the LORD
hates they have done for their gods; for they even
burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their
gods. ( Deuteronomy 12:31)

The wickedness of these people is confirmed in other verses of the Bible. So we see that these people are not quite as innocent as the atheists would like you to believe. The fact that these people practiced child sacrifice is also confirmed in the secular writings of the Greeks. Then again, maybe those atheists believe that killing your children is not all bad. After all, killing viable pre-born babies is legal in this country (it's called a choice, a.k.a. abortion). For these reasons (and others), God ordered the destruction of the peoples whom the Israelites dispossessed. Did God kill any innocent people along with the evil ones? When God was about to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked God if He would destroy the cities if there were 50 righteous people in them. God said no. Then Abraham asked the same question if there were 45 righteous people. Every time he dropped the number and got the same answer. The fact is that God would not have destroyed those cities if there were any righteous people in them. The few righteous who were in those cities He warned ahead of time to get out. So, God does not destroy the righteous along with the evil. God's judgment of people groups found in the Old Testament actually pales in comparison to the judgment He will render at the end of time. According to the New Testament Book of Revelation, God will judge and kill billions of people who reject Him when Jesus returns, including 200 million killed in a single battle. Such large armies have never existed in the history of mankind until the last 100 years, suggesting the this judgment could come at any time.

THE CHILDREN.
In some instances, God ordered the killing of entire
populations, presumably including the killing of
babies and children. Isn't God unrighteous in killing
these innocent little ones? First of all, the Bible
indicates that all people are sinners, including
babies, and worthy of judgment. However, the
Bible also indicates that children are incapable of
making moral choices, so that they are automatically
rewarded with heaven. So, in having babies killed,
God is actually doing them a favor, since, if they had
grown up opposed to God, they would have gone to
hell. If God were to have spared some of the
children, it would have been difficult to determine
the cutoff age. A one-year old is probably still
relatively uncorrupted by his parents, but what about a two-year old? I have personally seen a number of spoiled two-year olds who had already been corrupted by their parents. In a society where moral corruption abounds, the corruption of the children would be early and severe. God was very clear that he did not want the sons and daughters of the corrupted peoples to marry the sons and daughters of the Israelites to lead them astray through false worship. Even so, there are many examples of the Israelites being polluted in their worship by the surrounding peoples.

CONCLUSION;
In order to maintain His righteousness, God must
judge sin - everything that goes against His character. If God let everyone into heaven, then He would have to allow in people such as Stalin and Hitler. Obviously, heaven would not be a good place to be with the likes of those people there. Therefore, God's righteousness requires the judgment of all sin. Only those people who agree with God and are willing to allow themselves to be changed into sinless beings can enter into heaven.

malvisguy212:
they knows the God there forefathers worship yet they choose there own way because of freewill ,you choose to love God or Hate him,it your choice.

God did not favour anybody ,we are told how the isrealite turn back on God on many occasion and God punish them ,infact they suffer more .I have had a number of skeptics complain that it is
unfair for God to choose the Jews as His people over
all others. Although it would be unfair for God to
show partiality to one people group, this is not what
was meant when the Bible said that God chose the
Jewish people. The Bible indicates that God chose the
Jewish people as the people through whom He would
send the Messiah. Being chosen did not always bring
great blessings, since the Jews were held to a higher
level of accountability, and were judged for their
failures. The Bible makes it clear that God does not
show partiality, since He created all people. He
commands His people to behave likewise.

Blah blah blah

I would've loved you to explain to us how the Jews and amonites are related cause the entire bible focuses on the Jews ..but let me skip it..

But tell me...are you still worshipping the gods of your forefathers?
Lolz

You yourself is guilty of the same thing you're accusing these people of...You should be ashamed of yourself ...Hehehe

If God had really wanted these people..he could've just tried to reachout to them...But he forgot them..when they fell apart..he got angry and attack them without provocation .

It seems this O.T god was not only myopic...he acted too unintelligent for a god that created this vast universe..and the complex living things within.

You don't spread religion by discrimination..you infect them by interacting with them...and he failed to know this simple fact...

Fancy an omniscient God

dalaman:
malvisguy212 is trying to justify pure barbarism written by uncivilized men long ago because he happens to indoctrinated with their stories, the same man is always at the neck of the muslims and calling the Koran an evil book. The OT is worse than the Koran when it comes to violence and evil deeds. If he claims its God's judgement, why not accept that the injunctions in the Koran which are actually a milder are also judgement from Allah?

malvisguy212:
the evil the men deed you overlooked it but when God judge them you are crying why God , well,50years to come when God kill the boko haram guys am very sure you will be crying God is evil,right?

malvisguy212:
the evil the men deed you overlooked it but when God judge them you are crying why God , well,50years to come when God kill the boko haram guys am very sure you will be crying God is evil,right?

Weah96:


So God could potentially wipe out BH in 50 years? SMH.

malvisguy212:
When you see atheist all over a thread screeming and complaining why the op is defending God,it mean they know the truth that God is good but don't want to admit it.

musKeeto:
The story of the African man. Their gods were evil, Abraham's gods were good.

malvisguy212:
that was an example I made.

Weah96:


Which kain non sequitur is dis one again? A real God wouldn't commit fallacies in a language he created out of anger.