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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by uchennamani(m): 9:41am On Jan 14|
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Mujtahida: 3:30pm On Jan 15|
joseph1013:If a man would follow today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane-Robert Green Ingersoll
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:07am On Jan 16|
Ingersoll! I so mocked him during my proselyting days.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:18am On Jan 16|
The first people to adopt Yahweh as their god were the 12 tribes of Israel around 1,000 BCE or before. Apparently, Yahweh spoke to prophets among these tribesmen and inspired them to write about how He created the universe, the Earth and all life on the planet. They also wrote how they were guided and helped by Yahweh and they documented the laws said to have come from Yahweh. These stories can be found in the Tanakh and are the foundation of the Jewish religion.
About 1,000 years later a Messiah, now known as Jesus, is said to have been born. He was sent by Yahweh and a second religion grew up around him--Christianity. Christians referred to the old stories as the Old Testament and wrote new stories about Jesus which they called the New testament. Together these testaments form the Bible.
So we have one god and two religions. Let's think about this. If the Israelites made up their stories about God, both religions must be made up. But, let's assume for now, the Israelites more or less faithfully recorded what they learned from God. If so, Judaism is a true religion worshipping a real god.
What about Christianity? If Judaism is true can Christianity also be true? I don't think it can.
Central to Christian theology is the idea of original sin. It is the reason Jesus was sent to us. If there was no original sin, there is no role for Jesus. However, Judaism rejects the notion of original sin.
Equally important to Christianity is the idea of salvation through Jesus. Only by accepting Jesus as your Lord and saviour can sin be forgiven so you may enter heaven. Judaism does not accept this. Judaism says atonement for sin is achieved by seeking forgiveness from God through prayer and repentance. Indeed, Judaism sets aside a day each year for repentance known as Yom Kippur.
In order to accomplish his mission to forgive sin, Christianity says Jesus is divine and a part of a triune God (God, Jesus & The Holy Spirit). Judaism does not accept that Jesus was divine nor that God has a triune nature.
There are many other differences between Judaism and Christianity but, these three fundamental theological differences alone are enough for us to conclude, if Judaism is true, Christianity cannot be.
This then is the quandary for Christians, if Judaism is made up, Christianity cannot be true but, if Judaism is true, Christianity still cannot be true. Where does this leave Christianity? Read that last sentence again. Take all the time you need.
I would say this is "Checkmate Christianity", wouldn't you?
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Mujtahida: 11:37am On Jan 16|
joseph1013:That guy is so eloquent- a gifted orator per excellence.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:24pm On Jan 20|
THE BIBLE'S BIG MISTAKE
If God created life on Earth, I think I know how he did it.
He started by making a simple, single-celled creature. His first shot at life were cells that didn't even have a nucleus but they could utilise external sources of energy and could replicate. God tinkered with these cells for the next two billion years making hundreds of tiny improvements. During this time, one of the important ideas he had was to provide a mechanism for photosynthesis (obtaining energy from sunlight).
Then he had a brainwave. Reproduction would be much more efficient if the genetic material was enclosed in a membrane within the cell--he invented the nucleus.
He tinkered again for over 500 million years. During that time he created many different versions of his creatures but they were all fundamentally similar. But one innovation would prove critical--he introduced sexual reproduction. This greatly increased diversity which made life more resilient and increased the rate at which life forms changed.
Four hundred million years later, he came up with the idea of combining several single-celled creatures to form one multi-celled creature. This was a very important idea--ultimately it allowed humans to exist. That's probably why God took 3.3 billion years to figure out how to do it--he didn't want to make any mistakes.
That innovation 800 million years ago was decisive. And it seemed to give God renewed creative energy. Diversity and complexity accelerated rapidly. He created animals with bi-lateral symmetry, legs, a central nervous system, a spine, a brain, eyes and more. This orgy of creation continued and just over a million years ago he came up with us, homo sapiens.
It all worked out in the end but it was a very inefficient process, probably more than 95% of the species God created were flops and became extinct. The process was a bit like a child with a chemistry set using trial and error to see what useful chemicals he could make.
It's a pity the Bible didn't describe the process like this. But it didn't, it said God made all species in a single day. It's hard to imagine how it could have been more wrong.
If the Bible had described it as I have, it would have been consistent with the mountain of evidence we've uncovered and we would probably all believe God is real by now. Instead, only the young, the undereducated and the delusional believe God is real, the rest of us rely on hard evidence to determine how life evolved.
And that shows the Bible to be a book of fiction and not of fact.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by kingmarv(m): 9:32pm On Jan 20|
Why can't some people understand by common sense that it is simply evil to be unforgiving. It is true that some people are actually hostile to others because of economic, ethnic, tribal and racial reasons and morality teaches them to maintain peace.
But my major worry is that some people claim to be worshipping a deity that teaches them through their religious doctrines to be violent and shed innocent blood to establish their territory or dominate others, without knowing that they are being brainwashed by Satan to carry out his wicked will.
If you know that you are walking on the right path and what you believe is superior to mine, then why must you use force on me to follow you? Can't common sense let you know that it is because you lack truth in what you believe that is why you are using force on me? What about dialogue? Can't you sell what you believe peacefully with me and allow me to make my choice whether to follow you or not based on my conviction? And if I don't do you have to kill me?
Wait a minute and answer the following salient questions;
Is the one you worship a creator of life? If no. Why do you worship him? If yes. Why do you take life that he created and still believe that you are pleasing him? Or do you want to tell us that the one you worship only created some few who are his original believers? If you believe he created all men then why can't common sense let you know that the creator is a lover of his creatures and that whoever destroys any of them commits capital sin against him? Imagine you watching your biological child being killed right in your presence.
It is because you want people to believe a deity you worship that you are fighting and killing them for him.. Can't common sense tell you that you have reduced him to less than a man that you are? I believe someone should be all powerful to be worshipped.
If only some people can think wisely and objectively they will do away with whatever they believe that will make them to promote crisis an terrorism like a man will drop a hot iron from his hand.
Refuse to be afraid of the persecution you might have to face by your relations when you say no to falsehood. The God of truth and peace will shield you from their attacks. The fear of persecution is the major thing that is keeping some people in falsehood.
Dump any religious, traditional, tribal, racial or ethnic teachings that promote unforgiveness, hatred, violence, war, which ultimately result in shedding of innocent blood and embrace the teaching of peace and justice.
I recommend to you such teaching of peace and justice under the umbrella of Christianity. I will not come after you even if you refuse to believe me because my Master told me to be at peace with you. He loves sinners and His eternal expectation is that they will one day come to Him before the end of time. He values His blood that He shed for the remission of the sin of the whole world.
Peace be still in Nigeria.
Jesus is Lord!
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:21am On Jan 21|
Why should you believe a God who killed his son would love you?
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:26am On Jan 21|
A man had an auto crash and loses both legs. One day, he comes across the following words from the Bible:
"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do." John 14:13-14
Then he fervently and humbly asks that God send him new pair of legs.
Two years later, still in his wheelchair, he keeps reminding God of His word.
One day, during a Bible study service, a Minister teaches from that same scripture.
"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do."
During the Q&A session, he raises his hand and asks if that scripture is really true. He tells the church God has failed to keep His word.
Immediately there are three school of thoughts as the church ministers interpret the Bible verse to him:
1. The Lord is testing your faith. For He cannot give you more than you can bear.
The Verdict: that scripture is 100% correct but you are going through a test.
2. That scripture says “according to your faith, if you ask anything in my name it shall be done.” Your faith is not enough.
The Verdict: it’s your fault. The Bible is 100% true. The error is with you.
3. Have you added fasting and effectual prayers? Some things demand special prayers. Extraordinary gift. Remember that there’s a gift of doing miracles.
The Verdict: find a higher spiritual power. You are not qualified. There are men and women of God anointed to carry out such special requests.
When all is said and done, the man rolls his wheelchair down the road with more questions in his head. Then, one more teacher walks up to him and says: you should give thanks to God that you can use a wheelchair. What if you had died during that fatal accident.
The man is angry and says: no, you should give thanks to the man who made this wheelchair. He doesn’t believe in God nor does he read all that stuff we read. Yet this sinner man made something that works. No promises. No long prayers. Just nuts and bolts, and common sense.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by kingmarv(m): 11:40am On Jan 21|
why do you answer the name Joseph without knowing that the death of Jesus was love motivated and substitutionary. And that He died to save many from eternal death. What do you think a farmer should stand to gain by burying a corn to the ground ?
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by kingmarv(m): 11:55am On Jan 21|
Joseph1013 what is faith?
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by kingmarv(m): 12:51pm On Jan 21|
You believe someone who said "I would rather go to hell
than to go to heaven and keep the society
of such an infamous tyrant. I make my
how did he know that hell exist for him to have made his choice to go there?
Has he drawn the truth about the existence of hell through reason, logic and experimentation ? Since something must pass through all those and many more to be accepted and believed.
Is he not practising faith now? The same he referred to unhappy mixture of insanity
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Elparaiso(m): 2:38pm On Jan 21|
Send him a PM please. Some of us are here to read and comment. Not argue.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 2:59pm On Jan 21|
Imagine that someone meets you on the way and drags you to one corner, accuses you of offences you have absolutely no idea of and declares that Shakamundi hit his foot against the rock of Askamandu for these strange offences.
You're still reeling from all these when he declares that for this reason, you must kneel to Shakamundi everyday at 6am and pay him 10% of all you earn every month. And you can only see Shakamundi when you die!
How would that sound to you?
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:09pm On Jan 21|
Because I joined Nairaland before I became an atheist. I was a Christian when I joined this forum, a proselytizing one at that and I see no need to change my moniker, Joseph1013, after I realize that my Christian beliefs were misguided.
To your other comments, well...what can I say...what convinces you that Jesus died?
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:26pm On Jan 21|
Webster's New World College Dictionary defines faith as "unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence; unquestioning belief in God, religious tenets."
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:30pm On Jan 21|
kingmarv:When atheists make this comment, they don't make it because they believe, they make it to taunt people who keep telling them they will not make heaven.
So don't get so worked up about it.
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