thegoodjoehunt3:
Abi, you can not read for instance. If I knew the standard amount of magazines soldiers use, will I use for instance?

Duru1:


I suggest you stop insinuating.

Ikengawo:


So because you're losing the argument you think capital letters will convince me that Nigeria should stop enforcing it's laws? People that throw words like 'genocidal' and 'corruption' around anyhow are the ones that are killing Nigeria. They want to say Nigeria is corrupt because it doesn't favor them. So when someone loses (election, court case, business, politics) they will say it's because of corruption and not from their own lack of intelligence, ability and strength.

When someone knows they can't win they will start throwing the word genocide around to inflame the ever ready pool of sentiment that is Nigeria. We're tired of that. You can't run from your post because of your feelings. Police and custom officers at airports are armed. Even village vigilantes. Nigerians aren't stupid enough to believe soldiers on the front line aren't armed.

And again tell me what this solider and his facebook account thinks those villagers are armed with? If he's running because he has no arms he's at least lucky to have a military vehicle to run with. What do these people in the poorest part of Nigeria that were left to die have? You can tell me in lowercase or capital letters but I feel based on reading your posts the answer won't be sufficient.

thegoodjoehunt3:
We are talking about the lives of our young soldiers and you are here talking APC/PDP/Tinubu.

thegoodjoehunt3:
I do not care about winning an argument. I care about these young lives that want to be wasted when they were ready to serve this nation with their lives. They just wanted to be well equipped as they go into battle.

You won the argument. If that will make you feel better.

What will make me feel better is for these boys to be reinstated and allowed to do their job.

Research the Port Chicago incident. You will see it is similar and they were cleared of guilt.

thegoodjoehunt3:

Which one is insinuating? I was trying to paint a picture of what I'll equipped means. I created an analogy. That is no insinuation.

Ikengawo:


Because if you're going to use political gimmicks created by politicians you have opened the door to political debate. APC created the 'soliders aren't armed' story. I'm not on the ground to prove if they're armed or not but neither are the liars using this myth to justify cowardice and mutiny. village gate men are armed and somehow the federal government sent soldiers to the front line without guns?

This is an image from Borno

These guns are longer than your lifespan and we have one of the only armed forces in africa with bulletproof vests and modern fatigues. We have seen images of Boko haram attacking and not all of them even have guns in their hands based on a video of an invasion they posted. Some of them have 1 arm.



This is another image from Borno. So show me where they imply to you that they're unarmed outside of political media. Our politicians, including Falana have proven themselves to be lawless people with no understanding of due process, but you're trusting them to interpret the law for you over a judge's ruling, the constitution, the military code of ethics and international military convention.

Duru1:


I guess you should understood any military formation, be it USA, UK or Russia, runs into logistical problem. I am not surprised that such problem is endemic with Nigeria.

thegoodjoehunt3:
You got to be kidding me. Did you not here proper ammunition were supplied and another group went on the mission. If you photograph the second group, won't they look well equipped. Will that prove that the first group were well equipped before supply. Na wa.

Ikengawo:


Do you care about the young lives boko haram wasted because this man ran away when he was trusted to protect them? There is no image video or presentation of any nigerian solider in borno that isn't extremely well armed and up to date. I don't need to research the Port of Chicago incident to know what my country Nigeria has established as it's own laws. I am a Nigerian, these are our laws, they will be upheld and there's no backtracking because of a facebook post of femi falana's sentimental post.

Ikengawo:


You have proven nothing. You you came in here with sentiments and political opinions and realized that others have facts laws protocol and evidence so now you want to make it an argument about pictures. Without seeing a picture you have inferred that those soldiers that ran and let a village of innocent people that trusted them be massacred and r@ped had no weapons. But I have presented pictures of what our soldiers look like in real time and somehow you found a way to call that questionable?

This discussion is over. Just have the humility to bow out when you're not going to win. We're past the era of dictatorship, sentiments and lawlessness which requires Falana you and the rest of the 'opposition' in this country to change their strategy.

Ikengawo:


You have proven nothing. You you came in here with sentiments and political opinions and realized that others have facts laws protocol and evidence so now you want to make it an argument about pictures. Without seeing a picture you have inferred that those soldiers that ran and let a village of innocent people that trusted them be massacred and r@ped had no weapons. But I have presented pictures of what our soldiers look like in real time and somehow you found a way to call that questionable?

This discussion is over. Just have the humility to bow out when you're not going to win. We're past the era of dictatorship, sentiments and lawlessness which requires Falana you and the rest of the 'opposition' in this country to change their strategy.

Ikengawo:


You have not challenged my fundamental point, which is that the soldier broke the law and the court of law has issued it's punishment. There is no law in Nigeria that is negotiable because of secondary circumstances. I can not rob someone and tell the courts my wife didn't provide me with food. I can not r@pe someone and say by girlfriend is not sleeping with me. I can not defect my post because I feel that I don't have enough weapons to fight boko haram. Most important is you don't know as a fact that he didn't have ammunition. I don't know as a fact that he had ammunition, but I do know that the Nigerian law for desertion calls for execution, he deserted as a fact and will be executed.

If you desert post, you are killed. There's no secondary excuse or way around it.
We can't keep amending our laws when sentiment arises. Falana called this court order a genocide. To me it sounds like emotions and politics and not law and due process.

Ikengawo:


The law isn't about what you wish, it's about what's written. Your wishes, Jonathan's wishes, and that soldiers wishes aren't relevant and this is where the term 'the law is blind' comes from. That's the disconnect between what you're understanding is and what I'm trying to teach you. It doesn't matter what the judge, the military, GEJ, PDP, APC, Falana, and the soldier wishes. If you break the law you invoke the consequence and that's the way civilization works. The law must be like the sun. No matter how you feel about the heat it will be hot and it's up to the soldier and the citizens to do what they need to do to deal with the rule of law (heat), not up to the rule of law (sun) to change to accommodate our wishes.


Your argument is only rooted in sentiment and sympathy. I commend you for being a kind person, but that's why you're not a judge. The madness Nigeria must raise against is sentiment and emotions. We have been a country ruled by emotions and not laws for years and that's why it's lawless.


More importantly leave Jonathan out of this. Nigeria has been a dictatorship for ages so it's hard for use to adjust our thinking to suit the new reality but the current reality that even his enemies will attest to is that Jonathan is a democrat and follows the Yar'Adua school of 'rule of law' building.


Once those soldiers defected it was out of Jonathan's hands. GEJ doesn't control the law, he can only carry out initiatives sent to him by the senate. Those men broke the law, they went to court, the judge sentenced them to death, they are to be killed by and execution squad. Jonathan is not a part of that process at all. He's not God. In a dictatorship because of someone's emotions they can say 'I don't want this person punished for defecting' and that will happen. A President isn't a God. Obasanjo had the wrong idea and so did others before him and this is why our country is playing catch up. Enough is enough. You break the law you're punished. Citizens with issues about that need to go to their senators office in their local government and petition for him or her to start a motion on the floor of the senate.

These men deserted their post and allowed hundreds to be killed because of cowardice. The villagers that were slaughtered and r@ped by boko haram who much ammunition did the federal government give them? Your argument isn't holding up.

Ikengawo:


The law isn't about what you wish, it's about what's written. Your wishes, Jonathan's wishes, and that soldiers wishes aren't relevant and this is where the term 'the law is blind' comes from. That's the disconnect between what you're understanding is and what I'm trying to teach you. It doesn't matter what the judge, the military, GEJ, PDP, APC, Falana, and the soldier wishes. If you break the law you invoke the consequence and that's the way civilization works. The law must be like the sun. No matter how you feel about the heat it will be hot and it's up to the soldier and the citizens to do what they need to do to deal with the rule of law (heat), not up to the rule of law (sun) to change to accommodate our wishes.


Your argument is only rooted in sentiment and sympathy. I commend you for being a kind person, but that's why you're not a judge. The madness Nigeria must raise against is sentiment and emotions. We have been a country ruled by emotions and not laws for years and that's why it's lawless.


More importantly leave Jonathan out of this. Nigeria has been a dictatorship for ages so it's hard for use to adjust our thinking to suit the new reality but the current reality that even his enemies will attest to is that Jonathan is a democrat and follows the Yar'Adua school of 'rule of law' building.


Once those soldiers defected it was out of Jonathan's hands. GEJ doesn't control the law, he can only carry out initiatives sent to him by the senate. Those men broke the law, they went to court, the judge sentenced them to death, they are to be killed by and execution squad. Jonathan is not a part of that process at all. He's not God. In a dictatorship because of someone's emotions they can say 'I don't want this person punished for defecting' and that will happen. A President isn't a God. Obasanjo had the wrong idea and so did others before him and this is why our country is playing catch up. Enough is enough. You break the law you're punished. Citizens with issues about that need to go to their senators office in their local government and petition for him or her to start a motion on the floor of the senate.

These men deserted their post and allowed hundreds to be killed because of cowardice. The villagers that were slaughtered and r@ped by boko haram who much ammunition did the federal government give them? Your argument isn't holding up.

Ikengawo:
Military law says you are executed for abandoning post. Now that we have a court system that works there are people begging for an interruption of the national law because of their own sentiment and weak liver. Falana is a bastard. How many innocent people were raped and killed because these soldier ran away instead of protecting them.

Ikengawo:


Do you care about the young lives boko haram wasted because this man ran away when he was trusted to protect them? There is no image video or presentation of any nigerian solider in borno that isn't extremely well armed and up to date. I don't need to research the Port of Chicago incident to know what my country Nigeria has established as it's own laws. I am a Nigerian, these are our laws, they will be upheld and there's no backtracking because of a facebook post of femi falana's sentimental post.

BashBB:
Mr. Ikengawo I don't know if you have ever been to the troubled areas, but I can tell you this because I am from Michika in Adamawa state now in the control of Boko haram, soldiers in the fronts aren't given better weapons...they have just two magazines (60 rounds) given to them....most of the weapons are locked up in the armoury and they are not allowed to use them when BH atttacks, in some instances the GOCs often gives the order for the soldiers to withdraw (as was the case in mubi, michika, and gulak)......this are all my community.......I cannot give you detail account of whats happening here....but if interested you can contact me privately please