Timbuktou:
No such thing exists, whether in heaven or earth. No, I don't believe in it.

Timbuktou:
And you practise unconditional love? Seriously? As in, unconditional. You show this love irrespective of what your wife does. Note I didn't ask if you're working towards it o.

Timbuktou:
No such thing exists, whether in heaven or earth. No, I don't believe in it.

bukatyne:


You believe in unconditional submission?

Lateralmaths:
yes

mytime24:
@op, dis tittle 2ur thread is mis-leadin sha, i evn tink say na weapon of mass destructn........#fearcatchme

Timbuktou:
Hmm. Let me try to wriggle my way outta this.

When I say I don't believe in love, what I mean is, people don't love and expect nothing in return, which is unconditional love. So, if as a husband, I show/practise love to my wife I expect her to show me love/submission in return.

Also, her submission to me isn't out of a desire to submit for the sake of it or her love for me but, to have a happy home, a "loving", happy husband, etc.

The point at which we realise that our love/submission will not bring the desired results; a loving husband, a submissive wife, is when marriages tend to break down.

Even when the marriages do not break down, we tend to play our roles in a bid to experience a change of fortunes for the better/status quo. Perhaps, our spouses might see the error of their ways because I'm playing my part, blah blah blah. Gettest thou, I, sis?

Timbuktou:
Hmm. Let me try to wriggle my way outta this.

When I say I don't believe in love, what I mean is, people don't love and expect nothing in return, which is unconditional love. So, if as a husband, I show/practise love to my wife I expect her to show me love/submission in return.

Also, her submission to me isn't out of a desire to submit for the sake of it or her love for me but, to have a happy home, a "loving", happy husband, etc.

The point at which we realise that our love/submission will not bring the desired results; a loving husband, a submissive wife, is when marriages tend to break down.

Even when the marriages do not break down, we tend to play our roles in a bid to experience a change of fortunes for the better/status quo. Perhaps, our spouses might see the error of their ways because I'm playing my part, blah blah blah. Gettest thou, I, sis?

bukatyne:


Hmmm

Correct though a husband is to love first and wife submits.

However when they are in the flow, your post happens

And yet when a guy/lady says a wife/husband must play their part, it looks like blame shifting

Lol @ wriggling your way out

Lateralmaths:
a husband should love first before the wife submits?

bukatyne:


Hmmm

1. Correct though a husband is to love first and wife submits.

2. However when they are in the flow, your post happens

3. And yet when a guy/lady says a wife/husband must play their part, it looks like blame shifting

4. Lol @ wriggling your way out

Lateralmaths:
a husband should love first before the wife submits?

crackhaus:

Or sponsor her trip (first class) to Dubai once every year...

Now do you understand why unconditional love is a God-quality not easily possessed even by the best of us?
Everyone is in it to get something in return.

crackhaus:

Or sponsor her trip (first class) to Dubai once every year...

Now do you understand why unconditional love is a God-quality not easily possessed even by the best of us?
Everyone is in it to get something in return.

Lateralmaths:
We have God in us.

Timbuktou:


1. Nah, no first or second. Just play your role and stop looking about.

2. Thanks for being gracious.

3. So, it would seem

4. Hehehehe. Succeeded, eh?

bukatyne:


1. Let me mark your script first na

2. Husbands are to love their wives first... Men are called to be head of their wives as Christ was the head of the Church. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us (out of love.....)

3. In reality, I doubt a woman will wait 'let my husband love me and I will submit' because it will be difficult to have a demark point. However, I solely believe a man must approach a woman and must have genuine feelings (which will grow deeper) before approaching her and start exhibiting the love wifey responds to.

4. I am also a firm believer of love/submission in courtship because no magic on the wedding night turns a man/woman loving or submissive

5. That said, the love/submission thingy sef na same... Look at the characteristics of love in 1Cor 13: 4 - 8 and really is same...

6. Husbands are also expected to respect their wives and wives love their husbands.

@ your no 1, hmmm....

Timbuktou:


1.

2. When you say husbands are to love their wives first, you put conditions on the commandment to submit. However, we know that both are commanded to play a role. Wives are to submit whether or not they have loving husbands.

3. In agreement.

4. Oui, madame. Tu es on point.

5. I wouldn't say same, I'd say sides of the same coin.

6. In agreement.

How was work today?

EnlightenedSoul:
There is such a thing as unconditional love. It's the xtupidest form of love known to man, and consequently, the most abused.

mgbeketoto:
A man's greatest weapon IS TO RESPECT HIMSELF always!

EnlightenedSoul:
There is such a thing as unconditional love. It's the xtupidest form of love known to man, and consequently, the most abused.

Modesayo:
All i have to say is when a woman is loved unconditionally,she becomes ten times better than she used to be...the way God created women

jadelyn007:
Nice one lateralmaths, I am a very submissive wife to my husband that loves me unconditionally as christ loved the church.

Its very easy for a woman to submit to a man who loves her as christ loved the church even tho her heart is made of diamonds

On the other hand, the fact that a wife is very submissive doesn't mean that the husband will love her unconditionally. Our ancestral mothers were very submissive but what did they get in return apart from suffering inside and smiling outside, that's why you see bukatyne said the man should love first.

It takes the grace of God to find a man with the love of christ in this 21st century. Christ washed his disciples feet, how many men can even drop their ego to help out their wives in the kitchen.
Christ knew simeon peter would betray him but he prayed for him, christ knew that judas would betray him but he still feed him at the same table all the same, how many men can truly love their wives as christ loved the church?

Women used to be very submissive but they stopped because the men were not keeping their own sides of the bargain. That's why you notice divorce rates are soaring every day.

Lateralmaths:
just say that you have never experienced unconditional love.

EnlightenedSoul:


I certainly hope not. I wouldn't know as I've never willfully tested it's extremes. We've had challenges, yes, but that's only normal.

Lateralmaths:
isokay

mgbeketoto:
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