kandiikane:

The only country I know of where the age of consent is 12 is angola and for the fact that I am educated about the female body, it is wrong and irresponsible regardless of what the age of consent says. What tjrn stops that 40year old sleeping with a 9 year old who looks like the 12 year old?
In your mind now, if you travel to angola you are ok to toast a 12/13 year old who probably hasn't started menstruating yet with one boob still yet to grow?
Anyhow, I am not surprised when in our part of the world, you can easily have sex with a 5 year old and nothing fit happen to you. But I can assure you no normal thinking educated father would want someone sleeping with his 12 year old regardless of what the age of consent is.

So, it's about biology then. What if the 13 year old has begun menstruating or is a menstrual veteran? What then?

If I travelled to Angola, I'd avail myself of well-developed women. . Sorry, I don't do below 18s.

In our part of the world, the only reason a pedophile would go free is if the crime was unknown. Don't insult my people, woman.

If I had a daughter I wouldn't even want her to be looked at at that age.

kandiikane:

The only country I know of where the age of consent is 12 is angola and for the fact that I am educated about the female body, it is wrong and irresponsible regardless of what the age of consent says. What tjrn stops that 40year old sleeping with a 9 year old who looks like the 12 year old?
In your mind now, if you travel to angola you are ok to toast a 12/13 year old who probably hasn't started menstruating yet with one boob still yet to grow?
Anyhow, I am not surprised when in our part of the world, you can easily have sex with a 5 year old and nothing fit happen to you. But I can assure you no normal thinking educated father would want someone sleeping with his 12 year old regardless of what the age of consent is.

I agree with your premise , but it's not true. There are Western liberal nations that wink - if not outright legally endorse - at intercourse with children. Even if it's with one another. But morally, how can you argue for a mature adult to not have intercourse with a juvenile, if another juvenile can?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2736517/Children-young-12-given-contraceptive-implants-making-vulnerable-abuse-sexual-exploitation.html


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obowunmi:


I asked Sophyrocks to define irresponsible and she couldnt?

Is not agreeing with someone's lifestyle and choices, make them irresponsible? If so, who made you the judge?

If you want the definition of irresponsible google is there to educate people.

I guess then there is no point in us having police and criminal or civil courts because who are we to make laws to judge people that kill, rape, steal, break contracts when we are not God. Let's scrap everything. People should be allowed to make choices that hurts and negatively impact the people around them or those they are in care of without fingers been pointed because who are we to judge! Nor be so?

carefreewannabe:


Not a wrong one but one that is inconvenient for you as it destroys one of your main arguments that marriages, in which women are inferior, help societies to flourish.

I have never claimed women are inferior in marriage. As a married man, I certainly don't consider my wife inferior.

And marriage does underpin a flourishing society. Show me a society that has rejected marriage and I will show you one where the seeds of anomie have already set in.

Or is it your nebulous "I'm in a relationship" concept that builds societies .


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TV01:

Finding the right type of woman is key. And mature men know what that is - even if they haven't got their frame fully worked out.

I long for a time when men marry the right type of women for the right reasons. And all those women who think their looks, education, wealth, family pedigree, ability to catwalk, grasp of liberal ideology etc. means they can overthrow norms, simply get left on the shelf.

Open hypergamy is so bad in the West now that it's practiced openly and men are becoming socialised accordingly.

We'll see how it al lpans out. But women will bear the brunt - and may well reverse and demand the change.


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Hmm. Hit close to home. Introduced my best buddy to awakening and the first thing he said upon taking the pill was, "Jesus Christ, I done die" . Anyway, we got talking recently, and our conversation centred around what you said above maturity picking the right woman. It was just instinctive, even the years before marriage and all. I guess you are what you are.

Amen to that, bruv.

Which is why I'm particular about stemming the tide of foolishness on nairaland. I reckon all I have to do is point people in the right direction and they should be able to take it from there. I read, though, that western mmen are waking up to the scam, albeit slowly, and are literally checking out of marriage accordingly.

I'm not too sure it's going to be an open revolution per se. I reckon, the tide will change underground precipitated by men before it becomes mainstream, apparently, the media is no longer neutral. It tends to pander to whichever side pays its bills. Sad.

TV01:

I have never claimed women are inferior in marriage. As a married man, I certainly don't consider my wife inferior.

Nice to hear.

And marriage does underpin a flourishiong society. SHow me a society that has rejected marriage and I will show you one where the seeds of anomie have already set in.

Show me a society without "anomies".

Or is it your nebulous "I'm in a relationship" concept that builds societies . TV

Why not?

Millions of people live in de-facto / informal marriages in Germany and the society is thriving and many more will in future.

kandiikane:

If you want the definition of irresponsible google is there to educate people.

I guess then there is no point in us having police and criminal or civil courts because who are we to make laws to judge people that kill, rape, steal, break contracts when we are not God. Let's scrap everything. People should be allowed to make choices that hurts and negatively impact the people around them or those they are in care of without fingers been pointed because who are we to judge! Nor be so?

When did polygamy become a crime that it is being equated with killing, rape, and robbery

Get a grip and get a life.

This thread is about a Tuface and his baby mamas, nothing else.

Stop stretching your imagination to what's not.

TV01:

I agree with your premise , but it's not true. There are Western liberal nations that wink - if not outright legally endorse - at intercourse with children. Even if it's with one another. But morally, how can you argue for a mature adult to not have intercourse with a juvenile, if another juvenile can?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2736517/Children-young-12-given-contraceptive-implants-making-vulnerable-abuse-sexual-exploitation.html


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Can you specify exactly what is not true in my post?

This is not the case of endorsing intercourse but protecting those who have actually started doing it. Obviously, in general sense it will look like they are pushing young kids to have sex but for one, young kids do not think they shouldn't have sex because they can get pregnant, there are loads of different factors and non-factors were either their brain is just not ready for them to start thinking about how it would feel for a man to be in them or if they have 'boyfriends' they are either scared or even just not ready.
Pregnancy has always been the least of a 12 year old's concern, if it was, they won't have the highest rate of teen pregnancies hence why the government is pushing contraception to those that have started at 12.

A case of prevention is better than cure. The government can only do so much, the rest lies in the hands of us ordinary people who must ensure that there shouldn't be any reason to be sleeping with a 12 year old or a 12year old having sex to even need the implants.

Timbuktou:
Christianity does not preclude polygamy. God doesn't frown at polygamy. By the way, happiness is selfish.

Now you're sounding like TV01, even he won't type that rubbish.

Timbuktou:
So, it's about biology then. What if the 13 year old has begun menstruating or is a menstrual veteran? What then?

If I travelled to Angola, I'd avail myself of well-developed women. . Sorry, I don't do below 18s.

In our part of the world, the only reason a pedophile would go free is if the crime was unknown. Don't insult my people, woman.

If I had a daughter I wouldn't even want her to be looked at at that age.

Don't be silly, at 13 even if both boobs are out plus consistent monthly flow, that does not mean their reproductive organs has finished growing.
Oh please, how many times have parents looked the other way when their kids have been raped or sexually abused because it's an embarrassed or it is something that must not be talked about.

Timbuktou:
The wisest man who ever existed.

Also the most foolish king ever.

Shirley07:

Now you're sounding like TV01, even he won't type that rubbish.

Shirley, you sound like a short person. That's by the way, anyway. How's work/school? What have you been up to?

Shirley07:

Also the most foolish king ever.

More foolish than Ahab or Rehoboam, abi na Jeroboam, Solomon's son? The bible is littered with imbeciile kings. Don't be sensationalist.

crackhaus:

Exactly, just as there are women who don't mind being the third wife...

And there are men willing to share the wives.. The keyword is consent.

kandiikane:


Don't be silly, at 13 even if both boobs are out plus consistent monthly flow, that does not mean their reproductive organs has finished growing.
Oh please, how many times have parents looked the other way when their kids have been raped or sexually abused because it's an embarrassed or it is something that must not be talked about.

Stop being deliberately stewpid. In ancient times, people married at that age. It didn't kill them, they bore healthy children and those women were stronger than the "fully-developed" wimmins we have now.

Oh, please. Maybe you speak for your own slice of earth, in my neck of the woods that person is dead. And you can take that to the bank.

Timbuktou:
More foolish than Ahab or Rehoboam, abi na Jeroboam, Solomon's son? The bible is littered with imbeciile kings. Don't be sensationalist.

Those men never stooped low to worship 1000 deities, forgetting the God that gave him wisdom.

Timbuktou:
Stop being deliberately stewpid. In ancient times, people married at that age. It didn't kill them, they bore healthy children and those women were stronger than the "fully-developed" wimmins we have now.

Oh, please. Maybe you speak for your own slice of earth, in my neck of the woods that person is dead. And you can take that to the bank.

You are ignorant and will forever remain one
You should have been an illiterate. Do you know how many "women" died during child birth back in the day? Do you know how many pregnant kids die during childbirth especially in a developing country? Do you know how many babies die at birth? Do you know how many suffer from obstetric fistula? Do you know how damaged their reproductive organs are because they are yet to be fully developed? How many of them have access to condoms or birth control in Africa?
You don't want to sleep with a kid or have someone sleeping with your kid yet you are defending the action? Are you okay?

kandiikane:

If you want the definition of irresponsible google is there to educate people.

I guess then there is no point in us having police and criminal or civil courts because who are we to make laws to judge people that kill, rape, steal, break contracts when we are not God. Let's scrap everything. People should be allowed to make choices that hurts and negatively impact the people around them or those they are in care of without fingers been pointed because who are we to judge! Nor be so?

Dnt mind this obowumi. How can someone ask who an irresponsible person is? Everyone was created by God to know what is right and wrong. we all have conscience but the difference in us all is how we make use of it, how strong and how weak it is in us. If as an adult you are still asking who an irresponsible person is, then i wonder if your moral compass still works at all. I asked him a simple question. will he be willing to give out his daughter to a man with 3 baby mamas and children especially when he proposes to his daughter while one of his baby mamas is pregnant? He refused to answer, beating around the bush because he knows that people judge issues better when chicken comes home to roost. I asked him that question for him to determine for himself who an irresponsible person is. I am sure a lady with kids for several men will be good for him as a wife, who knows, since he doesnt wanna judge.

kandiikane:


1. You are ignorant and will forever remain one
You should have been an illiterate.

2. Do you know how many "women" died during child birth back in the day? Do you know how many pregnant kids die during childbirth especially in a developing country? Do you know how many babies die at birth? Do you know how many suffer from obstetric fistula? Do you know how damaged their reproductive organs are because they are yet to be fully developed. How many of them have access to condoms or birth control in Africa?

3. You don't want to sleep with a kid or have someone sleeping with your kid yet you are defending the action? Are you okay?

First of all, it's not my fault you have tiny tittiies. Don't poir out your frustrations on me.

Secondly, I'm sorry I don't have the numbers.

I'd say I was ok. Can't say the same for you. You need to check your blood pressure or egg blood flow. I'm not the cause of your misery.

Shirley07:

Those men never stooped low to worship 1000 deities, forgetting the God that gave him wisdom.

It takes a wise man to seek other answers. Unfortunately, he got carried away. He was too wise for his own good

Timbuktou:

Babe, you apparently don't know where I stand on marriage. I am the lord of my home. Period. There is no gender equality in my home. Period. I don't request my wife's financial input, even though, she still chips in when she's in the mood. Even if I requested it, that is only one angle of my responsibilities she would feel honoured to be a part of.

The problem, like you have noted is in the different practices in our grandfathers days and ours and it's no fault of ours. We have been hoodwinked by the west into thinking their way is better, now divorce is rife over there, and is becoming so here. You see, that marriage model of theirs is not sustainable.

Per Dangote being able to pick and choose, I totally agree with you but why is it that majority of today's men are cuckolded with no means of redress? Because we have been lied to and made to practice unnatural forms of coupling/pairing. I'm nowhere near Dangote in terms of wealth but, I can hold my own and I improve daily.

Also, I can say there is no equality because I know how things should work. I have a very very sexy, submissive wife. However, if she's playing the field, good for her. If she gets caught, though, *shakes head, she knows to just move on from there. She will not be entering my house again, not to talk of leaving with her things, not to talk of touchonf any of my kids.

I don't play.

Your kids?
They will look for their mum in the end. To a child, a mother is worth more than a father. There's no equality afterall.

Sophyrocks:


Dnt mind this obowumi. How can someone ask who an irresponsible person is? Everyone was created by God to know what is right and wrong. we all have conscience but the difference in us all is how we make use of it, how strong and how weak it is in us. If as an adult you are still asking who an irresponsible person is, then i wonder if your moral compass still works at all. I asked him a simple question. will he be willing to give out his daughter to a man with 3 baby mamas and children especially when he proposes to his daughter while one of his baby mamas is pregnant? He refused to answer, beating around the bush because he knows that people judge issues better when chicken comes home to roost. I asked him that question for him to determine for himself who an irresponsible person is. I am sure a lady with kids for several men will be good for him as a wife, who knows, since he doesnt wanna judge.

lol leave them abeg, even if one was to get a wife who is ok with polygamy or cheating, the stress of it alone is not worth it. They think cheating or having a second wife is that easy to live with and do. I don't blame them, many of them are frustrated young men who cannot find a woman to dispense their fluids in hence the excitement for all that nonsense.

kandiikane:

lol leave them abeg, even if one was to get a wife who is ok with polygamy or cheating, the stress of it alone is not worth it. They think cheating or having a second wife is that easy to live with and do. I don't blame them, many of them are frustrated young men who cannot find a woman to dispense their fluids in hence the excitement for all that nonsense.

Buhahahahahahaha. Damn right on the bolded. The married ones know better. No wonder 2face no gree add weight since all these years. E easy to handle one woman not to talk of 3? He himself had to admit it that it has not been easy. He only enjoys distributing sperm.

carefreewannabe:
Show me a society without "anomies".

Show me one where it isn;t to a large degree attributable to the breakdown in the traditional family unit

carefreewannabe:

Why not?

Millions of people live in de-facto / informal marriages in Germany and the society is thriving and many more will in future.

Germany got to where it is - in recent history - on the back of de facto relationships?

As ever you miss historical causality, broader and longer-term implications and focus on the the immediate gratification. Germany flourished on the back of a strong "volk culture" which was underpinned by traditional marriage. You incorrectly overlook the benefits of this and then wrongly imply that weakening that or replacing it with a facsimile relationship will have no impact.


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kandiikane:

Can you specify exactly what is not true in my post?

This is not the case of endorsing intercourse but protecting those who have actually started doing it. Obviously, in general sense it will look like they are pushing young kids to have sex but for one, young kids do not think they shouldn't have sex because they can get pregnant, there are loads of different factors and non-factors were either their brain is just not ready for them to start thinking about how it would feel for a man to be in them or if they have 'boyfriends' they are either scared or even just not ready.
Pregnancy has always been the least of a 12 year old's concern, if it was, they won't have the highest rate of teen pregnancies hence why the government is pushing contraception to those that have started at 12.

A case of prevention is better than cure. The government can only do so much, the rest lies in the hands of us ordinary people who must ensure that there shouldn't be any reason to be sleeping with a 12 year old or a 12year old having sex to even need the implants.

Your pursue a point about the prevention of pregnancy, which correct in a sense, as it is what the State is concerned about. But the true issue is about the age/readiness for sex (and by impliction in some cultures the readiness for marriage).

The whole of Western culture predisposes children to sexual promiscuity and as I said the State winks/tacitly endoreses that. I don't see that as any better than a culture that practices teen marriage. In fact, I see it as worse. It's how you end up with issues like young children in Rotherham being used as sex slaves.

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Timbuktou:
Shirley, you sound like a short person. That's by the way, anyway. How's work/school? What have you been up to?

Not just short, but she also possesses a ballistic anger and a tongue like a drunken sailor.

We are praying hard for her to find a man to take her under authority .


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Sophyrocks:


Dnt mind this obowumi. How can someone ask who an irresponsible person is? Everyone was created by God to know what is right and wrong. we all have conscience but the difference in us all is how we make use of it, how strong and how weak it is in us. If as an adult you are still asking who an irresponsible person is, then i wonder if your moral compass still works at all. I asked him a simple question. will he be willing to give out his daughter to a man with 3 baby mamas and children especially when he proposes to his daughter while one of his baby mamas is pregnant? He refused to answer, beating around the bush because he knows that people judge issues better when chicken comes home to roost. I asked him that question for him to determine for himself who an irresponsible person is. I am sure a lady with kids for several men will be good for him as a wife, who knows, since he doesnt wanna judge.

I've told you repeatedily that you are missing my point.

Everyone has personal values and then there are societal norms.

Tuface doesn't value monogamy. Are you going to force him? The fact he doesn't, should not apply to me. Hence you trying to make the conversation about a daughter, doesn't make sense. I don't see why I should answer your questions about this applying to me.

I value monogamy and was only posing a question. Unlike you, i am not going to judge him and call him irresponsible. He made his choices. Hence, the consequences of his decisions.

Shirley07:

Your kids?
They will look for their mum in the end. To a child, a mother is worth more than a father. There's no equality afterall.

I get it, whilst away, you were growing your sense of delusion !

I hope the final solution for your case is not 7th wife !


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kandiikane:

lol leave them abeg, even if one was to get a wife who is ok with polygamy or cheating, the stress of it alone is not worth it. They think cheating or having a second wife is that easy to live with and do. I don't blame them, many of them are frustrated young men who cannot find a woman to dispense their fluids in hence the excitement for all that nonsense.

How childish of you. Make your points without throwing insults.

obowunmi:



How childish of you. Make your points without throwing insults.

oh, so it hurt you that I referred to you as a frustrated man who is only looking for a woman to dispense his fluids in? For that to have hurt your feelings, it must be true, yes? Abeg, go face your life and try to make yourself a better man and a good and faithful husband to your future wife.

obowunmi:


I've told you repeatedily that you are missing my point.

Everyone has personal values and then there are societal norms.

Tuface doesn't value monogamy. Are you going to force him? The fact he doesn't, should not apply to me. Hence you trying to make the conversation about a daughter, doesn't make sense. I don't see why I should answer your questions about this applying to me.

I value monogamy and was only posing a question. Unlike you, i am not going to judge him and call him irresponsible. He made his choices. Hence, the consequences of his decisions.

You asked me what an irresponsible person is and i asked you that question using your daughter for you to determine what it is for yourself. If 2face isnt irresponsible to you, he remains irresponsible to me. We must not agree on this. I said it before. Since we will never agree, drop the discussion and dnt make mentions of me as regards the issue.

You dnt sound like one who values monogamy. The manner in which you are going about the issue in the thread proves otherwise perhaps polygamy is part of your plans in the future afterall lots of fake 'monogamous' men running 'modern day polygamy' abound.

TV01:

I get it, whilst away, you were growing your sense of delusion !

I hope the final solution for your case is not 7th wife !


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At this stage of my life? Mba.