Bless you too Maylisa.
Thanks the Lord, had helped me write these end days events, because Christians are not watching.
We are about to see strange things un-fold before our eye's, listen and watch, when we walk through the shadow of death, fear no evil.
The worlds technology are so much advanced, big brother is watching you.
Jesus Christ is lord.

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hahn:
What 666 mark?

Smile, so u actually know nothing about what u claim to be defending?

PastorOluT:


Smile, so u actually know nothing about what u claim to be defending?

I'm actually yet to see the 666 mark on anyone

hahn:


I'm actually yet to see the 666 mark on anyone

All ur time online u mean u have never seen openly people tatooing the number on themselves? Even a self claimed messiah in Brazil, enough said I guess.

PastorOluT:


All ur time online u mean u have never seen openly people tatooing the number on themselves? Even a self claimed messiah in Brazil, enough said I guess.

Lol. You'd have to blame that on religion. It has nothing to do with "end time"

hahn:


Lol. You'd have to blame that on religion. It has nothing to do with "end time"

Don't even blame it on religion blame it on misinterpretation of religion.

The people of Biblical times (even the lesser educated ones) understood allegory and metaphor as well as we do today (probably much better given the number of pedantic literalists about! ).

A picture needed to be painted of Satan and suitable embellishments were needed.

Now why would 666 be 'magical' and not 665 or 667 or 999 or 101 etc.

How can any true Christian allow their faith to be polluted by such superstition. The MESSAGE is of Satan and his struggle to destroy us and how the Lord has given us Salvation. The magic/juju numbers and all this nonsense were useful embellishments only.

Sadly many uneducated people define their religion as a set of taboo's and strange (almost) cultist beliefs.

hahn:


Lol. You'd have to blame that on religion. It has nothing to do with "end time"

Smile, what are u saying, are we not talking about prophecies manifesting? Dont worry when all those nos sss, health no etc fused into one to fulfill the prophecy proper.

PastorOluT:


Smile, what are u saying, are we not talking about prophecies manifesting? Dont worry when all those nos sss, health no etc fused into one to fulfill the prophecy proper.

You remind me of when I was in primary school

PastorOluT:


Smile, what are u saying, are we not talking about prophecies manifesting? Dont worry when all those nos sss, health no etc fused into one to fulfill the prophecy proper.

Please do not degrade Christianity with all this 'numerology' nonsense!

KoloOyinbo:


WOW! A MASSIVE subject. You could research this for YEARS. (And it is fascinating!)

So I will mention a few points only not to necessarily agree or even disagree with them but as very interesting points.

The Bible is a COLLECTION of books. The chosen books are called the CANON of SCRIPTURE - CANON meaning Standard or Norm.
The original manuscripts were written in Aramaic and Hebrew and (primarily for the New Testament) Greek. These have been translated into the contemporary language of many different times and locations to reflect the fact that we speak different languages AND the fact that language and words change meanings over the years. Eg The King James Version was almost certainly the best translation for the English speaking world in the 1600's. It is now much more difficult to read without misunderstanding and there are much more relevant and recent translations available. (PERSONALLY I prefer the NIV although the ASV and ESV have much to recommend them).

There was MUCH more controversy over the New Testament than over the Old Testament for reasons that would complicate matters even further!
There was more controversy over what was included than over what was excluded.
2 Peter, Jude, John 1,2,3, Hebrews and Revelation caused considerable soul searching.

Over 2000 manuscripts were considered for the New Testament - obviously most of these failed the various criteria for acceptance!
(Many [most?] of these were easily dismissed and heretical from second century Gnostics)

Marcion introduced a Canon in the first century with ONLY 11 books! (This guy omitted the entire Old Testament with the argument that the Old Testament God was nasty and angry!!!)

Other Canons were proposed by Athanastius, Origen and Irenaeus. Mostly these differed by what they excluded, Irenaeus took exception to Hebrews, James, John 2 & 3 (but NOT 1) and Jude.

Today there are two primary Canon

The Catholic from the Council of Trent (1545-1563)
The 'Protestant' (for want of a better term) from the Council of Carthage (397)

These differ mainly by the Catholic acceptance of the Apocrypha books from the intertestamental period.
Most 'Protestant' groups regard the Apocrypha as NOT divinely inspired BUT enlightened i.e. Useful reading and generally correct but not inspired by God.

As an interesting sub point Martin Luther originally did not accept the Book of James but later changed his mind!

To decide if a book was divinely inspired and should therefore be accepted the following criteria were applied:
1) Was the author an apostle or have a close connection with an apostle?
2) Is the book being accepted by the body of Christ at large?
3) Did the book contain consistency of doctrine and orthodox teaching?
4) Did the book bear evidence of high moral and spiritual values that would reflect a work of the Holy Spirit?

From a purely Personal point of view number two is the one I find most difficulty with but that's just me!

Anyways that is my contribution but if you come up with any more interesting facts/data etc I would love to hear! Let me know directly ot add to this thread or even perhaps open a thread (I am sure such a vast and interesting topic deserves a thread all of its own)!

Wow. Very interesting.

I think the number one criteria is more reasonable to me.

i'll do more research on it when am less busy to satisfy my curiosity cos there's virtually no problem with answers in life that it's not in the bible.
No matter what we are facing, there's always that verse to give comfort and advice, so the absence of the excluded books might not be such a big deal.


And I think You're in a better position to open the thread.


Am sorry for the last reply.

The end of the world simply mean the end of the rule of the Caucasian on the planet, it is the end of his world.

Horus:
The end of the world simply mean the end of the rule of the Caucasian on the planet, it is the end of his world.

I doubt any single ethnic group has ever ruled the planet at any time!

It is now becoming even less likely than any ever can!

Don't be to hard on yourself, not knowing any scriptures, these are end-time signs, this is a warning for God's people to get ready.

From past history all these changes came from some where and this is how it went.

As time had past it was the Catholic Church, that would make all the final decisions, everybody and everything "we ourselves" or our forefathers had' in our every-day life's, for those who were running business, and for those who weren't.

The human race were hard working survivors, their goals in life were to live, bringing up families, discipline and teaching their own following God's laws how to survive.
Children grew up as strong men and women, carrying that same discipline they received from their own, teaching God's discipline laws to the next generation.

Our Governments came under the authority of a book written called "The Acts" a law book from bible scriptures written under "God" for every Church in every nation to follow.

Television's were presented without the corruption-no swearing, no sexual scene's, very little violence, and scary movies were showing late at night.
Back then, It was a rare find to have any child sitting in-front of a Television.

It was the Church that stopped abortions.
It was the Church under one culture one religion to protect the land.

In either our cities, towns, to even meet somebody from an different country, we either had learned about their cultures, are they so much advanced, or so much behind.
It was a rare site to see any freon neighbour living next door.

We wonder why our world's changing, we have mixed cultures, and with these different cultures mixing, we have a growing technology, we have new religions.
Even back then the Catholic Church have accepted all religions to come under the one nation.
A new world order had began.

Remember it was our fathers and their fathers fought against these freon new neighbours.

The Roman Catholic Church had used scripture, such as this.
1 John 4:7-beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God: and if every one who loves is born of God, and knows God.

And Governments used technology to bring in our new arrivals.

Easy said: but living next door to the enemy that shot and killed your loved one didn't go down to well in the neighbourhoods.

It was not long after the war, when solders not yet on the raise to heal, the Church and Government leaders had allowed the enemy from different cultures into our countries, living as neighbours soon after the war.

Not giving our warriors a chance to heal, fighting a blood shed war that didn't belong to them, many were killed in action, their love ones they left behind are suffering, from the forgiven nature they were taught as a child, will soon be gone.

Until this day, every year our soldiers are reminded, that fought for their life's in a blood shed battle watching their closers friends and love-ones being murdered, by these new neighbours now living next door.
An old war memorial saying>Lest we forget.

The Roman Catholic and the Catholic Church and the Governments brought the war back home, and this changed the world.

From the love of God they served, had changed.

The soldiers and their love-ones are carrying the nightmares they all fought for, until death do we part.
While the Church and Governments leaders have never looked back.

Nation against nation a war without the love of the Lord was over money and power.
You can't worship Mammon and God at the same time.

Those who fought received medals and a pat on the back, with a pension that says well done good and faithful servant.

Now using that advanced technology our men and women are fighting a war for that very same reason.

What better way to fight a war in our own countries, our soldiers>men and women are murdering their own, technology is training all ages, the damages that the Roman Catholic Church and Governments have caused, our fathers and their fathers, once believed their was a God, no-longer exist.

Satan's plans under the illuminati using his followers, the Church of all religions is to murder 95% of the world population, over money and power.

Hitler once said: to run a country you must disarm it first.

And who follows after the beast.

Technology.

5minsmadness:
I'm not a bible quoting christian, have never been good at it, but I'm sure my friends here can supply me with the scripture that says 'in the end times people will be lovers of themselves and not of God, selfish etc etc.'
Someone said the best trick the devil ever pulled was to convince man that he doesn't exist. He has done a pretty good job of that so much so that when things are happening in favour of evil around us we barely even notice it anymore.

Its easy to recognise wars and murders, rapes and outright violence. Its easy to recognise corruption on a large scale and the downfall of great leaders and economies. The thing that is more dangerous however is the subtle ways we are being 'preached to' into accepting evil and thinking there is nothing wrong with it. I have outlined below a set of things that have slowly and surreptitiously been placed into our daily lives that we don't even realise we are being brainwashed into believing such things are normal when they shouldn't be. By the time they are done when the mark of the beast is introduced and the antichrist announces himself, even christians will accept him whole heartedly.


1. The breaking of the church into denominations. Some people think this was good so as to make the gospel spread farther. I say a house divided on itself cannot stand.

2. Materialism in the church. Constant seeking of miracles instead of salvation, praying for a brand new car this year instead of purity of spirit, praying for your enemies to die instead of praying for them to find salvation. Tithing to make your pastors wealthy instead of tithing to help the people of God that are needy. Seeking positions in church for worldly recognition instead of looking for people who have a genuine thirst for the conversion and reaping of souls for the harvest.

3. The sexual revolution. Sex is suddenly nothing to be 'ashamed of'. Sex was never meant to be something to be ashamed of, but it wasn't meant to be public either. Sex is designed to be a private affair. The private parts are hidden by pubic hair and clothing because they are private. Now the more sexually perverse a person is the more he/she is considered to be exhibiting his/her 'freedom' . Pornography is everywhere, in our books, magazines, the internet, movies, even our kids are being corrupted with lewd images in their 'innocent' cartoons. Have you ever wondered why p0rn is so easily available? Its virtually free to browse and download millions of megabytes of porn movies now, not even clips. So much so that many of us cannot even recognise indecent behaviour when we see it in real life.

4. Cartoons corrupting our kids. This might sound laughable to you but keep an open mind for a moment. Look at the cartoons our children are being shown. Cartoons like 'adventure time' for example. Have you ever watched it? Of course not, you say; its for kids. I advice you to take ten minutes of your time to watch one episode and your will realise it is downright demonic. How about 'the adventures of bill and mandy'? Innocent right? Have you seen the recent episodes? In an episode of SpongeBob squarepants worms are seen coming out of his eyes! What's funny about that?


5. Evil is now good while good is evil.
There are new cartoons now that paint heroes in a bad light. Jack and the beanstalk---jack is now the thief while th giant was a friendly giant. Cinderella was actually full of pride and the evil stepmother was simply 'misunderstood'. Here's one that will touch you Disney watchers...remember frozen? That wonderfully inspirational movie that got every girl crying and chanting for female empowerment? The original story os from 'The snow queen'. And Elsa was no 'misunderstood' ice princess. She was a villain, a queen who would freeze little boys hearts and remove all love from them. 'Hans' represents the boy whose heart was frozen but now suddenly in this movie he is the scheming bad prince. Hmn.

There's a movie where angels are depicted as evil overlords and humans are supposed to rise up against them. Hmnn.

Same example can be seen in maleficient, Dracula untold etc etc. They are making it look like evil must have had a good reason for becoming evil. They are making a case subliminally and people don't even know it.


6. Identification numbers. Yeah, if we really need them why do they keep changing them? We have social security number, credit card numbers, bank account numbers; and now suddenly the idea that the numbers are too many is beginning to spring up. Why not one universal number for banks e.g BVN number? Have you done yours? Why not a number that will identify you uniquely as an individual and will help you transact business, receive medical care on emergency, help you get a job...it sounds reasonable right? I mean, its not as of some illiterate shepherds from 2000 years ago wrote a fairytale book predicting this exact same thing happening as a sign of the end times...any of these beginning to sound familiar?


There are more examples, you can add yours.

When the end comes most of us won't know it because we would be too used to it. For those few who notice the changing times and recognise it for what it really means, there is a question for you: Will You Be Ready?

brocab:



And who follows after the beast.

Technology.

You should have used stones and sticks to post this message na. Leave the technology to us.

Weah96:


You should have used stones and sticks to post this message na. Leave the technology to us.

The master was asked what he thought of the achievements of modern technology. This was his reply;

An absent-minded professor was late for his lecture. He jumped into the cab and shouted, "Hurry! At top speed!"

As the cab sped along he realised he hadn't told the driver where to go, so he shouted, "Do you know where I want to go?"

"No,sir," said the cabbie, "but I'm driving as fast as I can."

hahn:


You remind me of when I was in primary school

Smile, and u remind me of when I was still in the world n sensual.

KoloOyinbo:


Please do not degrade Christianity with all this 'numerology' nonsense!

What do u know, degrading christianity?

5minsmadness:

The master was asked what he thought of the achievements of modern technology. This was his reply;

An absent-minded professor was late for his lecture. He jumped into the cab and shouted, "Hurry! At top speed!"

As the cab sped along he realised he hadn't told the driver where to go, so he shouted, "Do you know where I want to go?"

"No,sir," said the cabbie, "but I'm driving as fast as I can."

Are you a Luddite, sir? I agree with your analogy on technology, but for a reason not related to God business.

PastorOluT:


What do u know, degrading christianity?

Don't understand your comment. I thought things were clear - reducing Christianity to silly uneducated superstitious nonsense is clearly degrading!

666 is evil but 667 is ok. What about 666.00001. See how daft it all is. Look at the message not just a few word taken out of context. It is excellent that Christianity is growing so fast in the developing world but we all need to ensure that is does so without all the ignorant superstitions that some people ascribe to it.

Sticks and stones may break my bones.

The first lesson about technology is this.

You need to learn how to walk, the second is this, you need to learn how to talk.
And the lucky third is this, once you have done that.
You have leant nothing.
If technology is taking people away from the lord, then you can have it.

Weah96:


You should have used stones and sticks to post this message na. Leave the technology to us.

So you follow the Mosaic laws.
Jesus came here to take away the sins of the world.
Sacrificing tithing and offerings, were one together under the Mosaic law, that Jesus had demolish, paid in full a price carrying the burdens and died for our sins.
Tithing's shouldn't be mentioned in any Church, Giving yes, but not tithing.

The scriptures tells us to Seek the Kingdom of God, not seek the tithes.
If you followed the scriptures as the Lord tells us to do your Church would grow, with offerings alone.

But it seems like yourself the Churches worry more on the tithing side if things, counting numbers in Church other than worrying for the needy.
if you want me to stop writing the truth, then seek the truth, as the Lord say's all things shall be added to you.

asuustrike2009:

please stop misleading people about tithe because every believer including the pastor mist pay it. tithe is meant to maintain the church. that some preachers are abusing the privileges doesn't mean we as believers should ignore it. Every other things hightled are 100% correct

KoloOyinbo:



Don't understand your comment. I thought things were clear - reducing Christianity to silly uneducated superstitious nonsense is clearly degrading!

666 is evil but 667 is ok. What about 666.00001. See how daft it all is. Look at the message not just a few word taken out of context. It is excellent that Christianity is growing so fast in the developing world but we all need to ensure that is does so without all the ignorant superstitions that some people ascribe to it.

Smile, clearly u dont get my stance. Who is ttalking about no per se, may be this would help u. What actually does the no stand for?

PastorOluT:


Smile, clearly u dont get my stance. Who is ttalking about no per se, may be this would help u. What actually does the no stand for?

By no do you mean numbers?

I am not sure of your stance but merely commenting that those who take small excerpts literally where allegory and metaphor have been use to make a point actually miss the point and introduce a stupid superstition instead of the message. Hence this ridiculous idea of '666' actually having some evil or satanic connotation or the even more moronic idea that barcodes/social security numbers/bank account numbers are all some juju of the antichrist. How a true Christian would even listen to such patent superstitious nonsense is beyond me.

KoloOyinbo:


By no do you mean numbers?

I am not sure of your stance but merely commenting that those who take small excerpts literally where allegory and metaphor have been use to make a point actually miss the point and introduce a stupid superstition instead of the message. Hence this ridiculous idea of '666' actually having some evil or satanic connotation or the even more moronic idea that barcodes/social security numbers/bank account numbers are all some juju of the antichrist. How a true Christian would even listen to such patent superstitious nonsense is beyond me.

So sir what is your interpretation of the significance of the number 666? Even in the book of revelations the author says it has a hidden meaning and required wisdom to decipher its true connotation. I initially subscribed to the thought that is was the literal number 666 that ws going to be used and even now certain secret societies use it in their symbols. But now I have come to think of it more as a sign for a common commodity we will not be able to do without. Something that indeed will be specific for each individual and would require a certain level of freedom to be sacrificed for its use.

What's your take on it?

5minsmadness:

So sir what is your interpretation of the significance of the number 666? Even in the book of revelations the author says it has a hidden meaning and required wisdom to decipher its true connotation. I initially subscribed to the thought that is was the literal number 666 that ws going to be used and even now certain secret societies use it in their symbols. But now I have come to think of it more as a sign for a common commodity we will not be able to do without. Something that indeed will be specific for each individual and would require a certain level of freedom to be sacrificed for its use.

What's your take on it?

It is no more significant than 667 or 665! In fact pi is MUCH more significant!

KoloOyinbo:


It is no more significant than 667 or 665! In fact pi is MUCH more significant!

3.1415? Looool, now I know you're just trying to catch some fun!

The number 666 was specifically mentioned in the bible. Not 665 or 667 or 3.14156272....

It was mentioned for a reason.

5minsmadness:

3.1415? Looool, now I know you're just trying to catch some fun!

The number 666 was specifically mentioned in the bible. Not 665 or 667 or 3.14156272....

It was mentioned for a reason.

Yes a metaphorical and allegorical reason. NOT a LITERAL reason (obviously).

Do you think God cares about this arrant primitive nonsense!

Merely paint a picture of evil that was commensurate with the times. A little like the silly image of Satan as red with horns and tail etc.

I say AGAIN what sort of foolish Christian is so uneducated (both temporally and spiritually) to actually believe that a mere number is significant in any manner to God, Satan or salvation?

KoloOyinbo:



Don't understand your comment. I thought things were clear - reducing Christianity to silly uneducated superstitious nonsense is clearly degrading!

666 is evil but 667 is ok. What about 666.00001. See how daft it all is. Look at the message not just a few word taken out of context. It is excellent that Christianity is growing so fast in the developing world but we all need to ensure that is does so without all the ignorant superstitions that some people ascribe to it.

Yes I meant numbers, so whats the bible saying and leave all the superstition u have been claiming?

PastorOluT:


Yes I meant numbers, so whats the bible saying and leave all the superstition u have been claiming?

Do you understand allegory and metaphor? The people of biblical times did. Its merely painting a picture of evil/satan. Please don't take it literally when it mentions 666 etc.

I mean why ever would superstitious nonsense like that be relevant to our God or even to Satan? Leave that rubbish to the juju believing babalawos.

(Probably spelt babalawos wrong but you get the idea).

Christianity is about out relationship with God and our Salvation NOT a set of primitive taboo's and magic numbers fit only for the uneducated.

I say AGAIN and AGAIN what sort of foolish Christian is so uneducated (both temporally and spiritually) to actually believe that a mere number is significant in any manner to God, Satan or salvation?

KoloOyinbo:


Do you understand allegory and metaphor? The people of biblical times did. Its merely painting a picture of evil/satan. Please don't take it literally when it mentions 666 etc.

I mean why ever would superstitious nonsense like that be relevant to our God or even to Satan? Leave that rubbish to the juju believing babalawos.

(Probably spelt babalawos wrong but you get the idea).

Christianity is about out relationship with God and our Salvation NOT a set of primitive taboo's and magic numbers fit only for the uneducated.

I say AGAIN and AGAIN what sort of foolish Christian is so uneducated (both temporally and spiritually) to actually believe that a mere number is significant in any manner to God, Satan or salvation?

Well if it was so insignificant then why use the number in the first place?

KoloOyinbo:


Yes a metaphorical and allegorical reason. NOT a LITERAL reason (obviously).

And what metaphorical/allegorical reason would that be?

Meanwhile the red devil with horns didn't come up until medieval times...but that's by the way.

5minsmadness:

Well if it was so insignificant then why use the number in the first place?

Is it not obvious?

Metaphor and allegory!! To illustrate a point/message.

Did you not read ANY of my posts? Did they almost all not refer to this?

The Bible should be studied for the meaning not just a pedantic and blind literal interpretation.

For example:- Jesus told a PARABLE of the good Samaritan!

This illustrated a point!!! Did the good Samaritan actually exist? Probably not. That is irrelevant, the story was illustrating a message in a manner relevant to the people of that day.

I have tried hard to explain this as simply as I can! It should not be too difficult if a little thought it applied. Really, the Bible deserves much ore than a cursory reading. Try to understand the MESSAGE!