johnydon22:
Can you please be more clear and throw more light on what you really mean?

davien:
Well atheism does not address the value of anything so your question is faulty....
Next humans are/have been valued with money,well-being,size,weight,numbers,etc try to be more specific...

all4naija:
The value of human life is nothing special and it is within the confinement of nature. We are not so much different from other animals in importance to life only that we are fond of thinking too much of ourselves.

plaetton:

Exactly.
Question makes no sense.

vooks:
Let's look at your life in particular. Since value is all in the head and you damn well know this, would you hesitate crushing your baby's head and sucking its brains?

all4naija:
Some humans do that. You are bringing in psychological aspect to it and it doesn't make you more important to life than savages or brutes in the forest.

vooks:
Am aksin about YOU not some humans
What stops you from being a psychopath?

vooks:
Am aksin, in your materialistic/naturalistic world, from when do you derive morals,values?

plaetton:


This issue of morality has been thoroughly thrashed on this forum a dozens times.
Morality is product of social evolution.

And please , don't give us that God -centered morality crap.
That's the biggest lie ever sold.

God, or should I say, the Gods themselves, from Zeus, to Horus, to Yahweh, were themselves, the greatest personifications of the grossest forms of immorality.

vooks:

Well, do you think a fellow human is more important than say a dog? Where do you derive your values from?

davien:
important in what sense?
And I derive my values from evaluations of the facts of reality and of the situation....life is preferable to death....joy pleasurable to pain...and that my actions have an effect on myself and those around me....
So I value the preservation of life and the cease or reduction of overall unnecessary pain,to increase well being and happiness....

all4naija:
Doesn't it explain that I don't. Please, go f**k yourself, you punk!

vooks:
So human life is ONLY valuable as long as it increases 'well being and happiness'. And this depends entirely on your judgement

Hitler believed 'well being and happiness' would be achieved if he wiped ALL the Jews

davien:
Don't be stu.pid,learn the difference between "I value" and "it is valuable when",because I answered the question on where "I" get my values from...and hitler maximized pain and suffering to do that,thus is considered evil....so what you have no point there
You just ignored the bulk of my posts and jumped to a scripted response...
Did hitler follow the former "preservation of life and the cease or reduction of overall unnecessary pain"

vooks:
Calm down and don't get worked up yet.
Am examining where your 'I' leads us; hopeless subjectivity
But why should an atheistic, Darwinism student with majors in materialism be worried about VALUE? It's all survival for the fittest. Bleep VALUES.

Why would he be obligated to follow that script which is biologically manufactured and with zero bearing on his 'reality'?

vooks:
Am aksin, in your materialistic/naturalistic world, from when do you derive morals,values?

vooks:
Does it depend on your personal fantasies or is it independent of your mind?

johnydon22:


Morality is a product of empathy and the society.

In every animal their is always a basic sense of morality.

So morality is driven from humanity, Humanity is deeply moral and so every human on earth have an intense sense of morality.

Morality means doing what is right no matter what you are told, but religion on the other hands means doing what you are told no matter what is right.

Now next time you ask where our morality stems from, Look within yourself and see where yours stems from, you may think it religion but thats a lie.

Your basic sense of empathy and morality stems only from your humanity...

vooks:
Calm down and don't get worked up yet.
Am examining where your 'I' leads us; hopeless subjectivity
But why should an atheistic, Darwinism student with majors in materialism be worried about VALUE? It's all survival for the fittest. Bleep VALUES.

Why would he be obligated to follow that script which is biologically manufactured and with zero bearing on his 'reality'?

johnydon22:


Morality is a product of empathy and the society.

In every animal their is always a basic sense of morality.

So morality is driven from humanity, Humanity is deeply moral and so every human on earth have an intense sense of morality.

Morality means doing what is right no matter what you are told, but religion on the other hands means doing what you are told no matter what is right.

Now next time you ask where our morality stems from, Look within yourself and see where yours stems from, you may think it religion but thats a lie.

Your basic sense of empathy and morality stems only from your humanity...

davien:
johnydon he has a script to follow from answersingenesis...

johnydon22:


Now i guess you are telling us with someone threatening you with burning in hell, some one like you will never be moral.

That shows you are really mistaking what morality is all about.

[Humans are filled with intellect and are able to discern what is good through our empathy towards others and society.

Oh yes i do all the bad things i want, i steal, i rape and i kill as many as i want and the many i want is 0 (zero).

All this goes against empathy hence i dont engage in any of them.

Now for religious morality it is not really morality.

If you are good because you want to make heaven, it is not really goodness cus you are just doing it for your own gain at the end, we call it selfishness.

If you are good because you want to escape hell, it is not really goodness cus you are just doing it to save your own skin, so for your own good.. we call it selfiness.

Real goodness is doing good for goodness sake.

Being good because you know it is right to be good.

Being good because you want good to happen on earth. that is really goodness in other words morality

davien:
johnydon he has a script to follow from answersingenesis...

vooks:
Who/what is empathy and why does it matter?
Where does 'society'derive morality from?
Who/what determines 'right'?

vooks:
Hitler was filled with intellect, I hear his IQ was off the charts, who/what determined what 'is good' for him?

I doubt ISIL have the IQ of labradors

johnydon22:

@the bolded shows you really dont know your English, how can empathy be a who?....nawa ooooo.

Empathy is doing the things you do with consideration to the feelings of others so ask me again why it matters... next time search a word you dont know in the dictionary before asking such dumb question (i.e : Am not calling you dumb)

The society derives morality from empathy.

Right and wrong is encompassed in the dimension of empathy. . . as long as as anything you do hurts no one in anyway. e.g You kissing a girl do not hurt anybody in short in is pleasurable to both of you, so how can it be wrong?

vooks:
I know the definition of empathy,sympathy and all -athies you can conjure up.
Am aksin WHY do you, a mesh of cells, CARE about another mesh of cells' feelings?