Rawani:


If you read carefully through my response, you would see I mentioned that northern states (I'm sure of Kano & Sokoto) offer free basic education for all, it was an issue recently when it was claimed only indigenes benefited from the scheme, but it was discovered to be false.

Rawani:


Your observations are appreciated, I agree Pa Awolowo contributed immensely to the spread of education in the south, and I respect him a lot for that. What points were not clear to you particularly?

stebell:


When yu say Pa Awolowo contributed immensely to the spread of education in the South, I wonder wat tha f**k yu are talking about. Awolowo dis no such thing. He was sectional and a bigot.
Be specific next tym cos the South is not wat yu think it is.

Rawani:
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CyberWolf:
only Kano and sokoto, what about the remaining 17 northern states?..The issue is that parents up there takes this issue of religious classes more serious than basic education. I'm not saying that they should abandon religious classes because we still do it here( bible studies & cathecism classes) but their basic education should be say 90% & religious classes take 10% ..

I listed the two states I was sure of as I've not been in the country for a couple of years now, but I'm sure the other states offer free basic education as well. Its funny you said "the issue is" when its fairly evident you don't know the north, as they have different schools and different schedules for Islamic and western education, and the students (in urban areas) attend both, and more time, effort and resources are spent on the latter.

It might interest you to know I'm not a muslim, however I'm a core northerner that has lived harmoniously with muslims most of my life. Exposure to other cultures, is education on its own, as it crushes prejudices (like the one I had against Indians) and builds bridges. Cheers bro.

arewafederation:


I appreciate the in-depth analysis given in your write up which is enough to make the ill informed aware of the development of western education in the north. Kudos Rawani for this enlightening piece.

With the gradual decay of the al majiri system (which has been abused by some greedy mallams over the years), the north shall achieve great heights in the area of western education.

Allh ya jaa zamanin ka!

kmariko:
While Not holding brief for oduastates, I think that what he was get at (I might be wrong) is that there is a very dysfunctional relationship between the elite and the masses that's needs to be redefined before any headway can be made in tackling illiteracy in the region.

Having lived in Kaduna. My observation is that the beyond religion, the cultural impositions on the masses are/ is the greatest impediment to achieving literacy in the region....Which oduastates sees as a feudal system.

customized13:
Figures don't lie. You tried anyway, but the north is really dragging Nigeria backward in both literacy rate and welfare rate

stebell:


When yu say Pa Awolowo contributed immensely to the spread of education in the South, I wonder wat tha f**k yu are talking about. Awolowo dis no such thing. He was sectional and a bigot.
Be specific next tym cos the South is not wat yu think it is.

kmariko:
Though the abuse of the "almajiri system" is contributory it does so within a 10 percentile spread.
Op elucidated why the almajiri system came to being, its elimination while leaving the system that created it intact will merely be an exercise in rebranding.

I would like to see a system where educated men from the region through an NGO type setting reach out to these rural poor with incentives much better that the mallams use to entice them into "almajiri".

I would like to see a system where the powers of the Emir (or who ever lords) over the rural poor is severely curtailed so that both cultural and financial impediment are somewhat alleviated.

Its is only the educated from the region that can successfully do these as " outsiders" are viewed with suspicion.

kmariko:
Though the abuse of the "almajiri system" is contributory it does so within a 10 percentile spread.
Op elucidated why the almajiri system came to being, its elimination while leaving the system that created it intact will merely be an exercise in rebranding.

I would like to see a system where educated men from the region through an NGO type setting reach out to these rural poor with incentives much better that the mallams use to entice them into "almajiri".

I would like to see a system where the powers of the Emir (or who ever lords) over the rural poor is severely curtailed so that both cultural and financial impediment are somewhat alleviated.

Its is only the educated from the region that can successfully do these as " outsiders" are viewed with suspicion.

Rawani:


Could you kindly elaborate on this observation?

Rawani:



I listed the two [b]states I was sure of as I've not been in the country for a couple of years n[/b]ow, but I'm sure the other states offer free basic education as well. Its funny you said "the issue is" when its fairly evident you don't know the north, as they have different schools and different schedules for Islamic and western education, and the students (in urban areas) attend both, and more time, effort and resources are spent on the latter.

It might interest you to know I'm not a muslim, however I'm a core northerner that has lived harmoniously with muslims most of my life. Exposure to other cultures, is education on its own, as it crushes prejudices (like the one I had against Indians) and builds bridges. Cheers bro.

thev0ice1:


Comrade, this thread has been going on smoothly before your outburst.

Can you try and leave anger out of it? Rawani obviously made a mistake crediting Awolowo with educational advancement beyond the SW but could you take it as a honest mistake and sheath your sword?

Thanks

stebell:


No problems.
I've moved on

thev0ice1:


God bless you

arewafederation:


I appreciate the in-depth analysis given in your write up which is enough to make the ill informed aware of the development of western education in the north. Kudos Rawani for this enlightening piece.

With the gradual decay of the al majiri system (which has been abused by some greedy mallams over the years), the north shall achieve great heights in the area of western education.

Allh ya jaa zamanin ka!

Rawani:
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Rawani:


As it is, the almajiri system is almost erased by post-modernism, what remains are children of impoverished parents who send their children to get Islamic education from local scholars, who in turn send them out to beg for alms and food to sustain themselves and their 'school'. I can boldly state that less than 10% of the urban population of children in northern states practice almajiranchi, as basic western education is free in most (if not all) northern states. The bulk of the almajiri are in the rural areas which lack necessary educational infrastructure, which is being addressed.

Let me remind you that no parent wants their child to beg, it is mostly as a result of poverty. I know Sheikhs who have extra-moral lessons organized in their houses for their children, and sometimes neighbours as well. It is a complex issue, one which has to be handled carefully so that the rights of individuals to their religion will not be infringed upon.

Rich4god:
The earlier the northern elite as a state relagate religion to the background (making it an individual thing) and push western education forward, then the better for all of them.

thev0ice1:


Very good submission. The educated Northerners must rise up to the challenge to convince their people that there is no haram in western education.