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Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Sanchez01: 6:43am On Feb 14, 2015
Some lawyers have cautioned President Goodluck Jonathan to stop differentiating between the acts of stealing and corruption.

The President had during the 8th presidential media chat on Wednesday maintained that there was a difference between the two acts. This came several months after he first made a similar statement.

“If somebody is a thief, he is a thief. We should not use the word ‘corruption’ to cover a case of stealing. Thieves should be called thieves,” the President had said.

However, a lawyer and human rights activist, Prof. Itse Sagay, said in a telephone conversation with Saturday PUNCH that there was no technical difference between the two acts and that persons involved in either should be made to face the wrath of the law.

He said, “In a broad legal sense, they are the same. Stealing is taking what belongs to another person without the consent of the owner with the intention of keeping it permanently.

“Corruption is using an office to acquire the resources of an organisation without working for it and without the organisation’s awareness. Looking at it, using an office as a political office holder to acquire what belongs to the state results to stealing.

“Ultimately, every act of corruption is an act of stealing. There is no question about it. There is no moral or ethical difference between them. Both are criminal, immoral and anti-social acts and nobody should attempt to make one look lighter than the other. People who commit either should be dealt with seriously.”

A civil rights lawyer, Fred Agbaje, said President Jonathan’s differentiation between the acts was clear evidence that the President’s government is corrupt.

He said that the President was only giving two terms for same offence.

He said, “Defence of stealing as different from corruption is indicative of the fact that President Jonathan’s administration is morally bankrupt.

“What the President has said is an admission of guilt and that his government is corrupt. It is a distinction without substance. It is calling one object two different names.

The nomenclature may differ, but the substance of both allegations is the same.

“Which of them is allowed in our law whether he calls them in different names? They are both punishable under our penal laws. Stealing is even worse than corruption. Both of them carry a legal element of deliberately taking what does not belong to someone with the intent of depriving the taxpayers.”
Source: http://www.punchng.com/news/stealing-same-as-corruption-lawyers-tell-jonathan/

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Crocz(m): 6:44am On Feb 14, 2015
I watched the President recently trying to manoeuvre the statement that he didn't mean that and that it was in response to a situation presented to him by the chief justice...the more he explained, the more I think less of him as a sane man. He drinks too much Odeku I think

Trying to justify a false claim is as stupid as using umbrella as a parachute

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by TrishaP(f): 6:45am On Feb 14, 2015
I wonder what GEJ was high on when he made such statement.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Sanchez01: 6:47am On Feb 14, 2015
I guess the reason why Mr President is trying so hard to justify why they're not the same is because he's practicing one of them. The ONLY president who goes about romanticizing stealing and corruption like Williams Shakespeare romanticized the sonnet. Crook!

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by JosephineM: 6:52am On Feb 14, 2015
coming from a doctorate degree holder, undecided
in the first chat where he made the statement, he even called it "mere stealing "
We've never had it so bad...

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Nobody: 6:55am On Feb 14, 2015
Corruption is not only stealing, forging of certificate is corruption, lying under oath is also corruption. So stop fooling yaselves.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by minister2015: 6:55am On Feb 14, 2015
GEJ has finally legalized corruption, stealing is not corruption. This guy is a disgrace to his forebears! utterly corrupt. PDP: Poverty & Death Party, better still Poverty Development Party!
PVC: Pertinent-to Vote-out Cluelessness!!!

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by ritababe(f): 6:56am On Feb 14, 2015
gbam

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by amakufrancis(m): 7:04am On Feb 14, 2015
I see, everyone has his or her brain of reasoning

Gej till 2019

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by yemmit90: 7:10am On Feb 14, 2015
Though 'stealing and corruption' are two different words and meaning in the english dictionary, but GEJ lacks wisdom to understand that it becomes a total corruption when it's doing by public office holders.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by adebayo201: 7:13am On Feb 14, 2015
amakufrancis:
I see, everyone has his or her brain of reasoning

Gej till 2019

Still looking for excuse for him?!

Don't waste your breath on a,rebel. He will despise the wisest advice

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by amakufrancis(m): 7:18am On Feb 14, 2015
adebayo201:


Still looking for excuse for him?!

guy you like it or not, Gej will win coming march

We need TRANSFORMATION

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by menesheh(m): 7:18am On Feb 14, 2015
Whats are they talking about, go to your Dictionary type corruption, paste your answer here and check out Stealing too


Stealing is part of corruption but is not actually the direct meaning of corruption.


One important thing to note in his exexplanation is that Nobody actually said that he said "stealing is good".

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Orunto: 7:18am On Feb 14, 2015
Are these lawyers or liars? These are mischief-makers trying to do the job of the President for him.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Nobody: 7:19am On Feb 14, 2015
Oga Jona, i dey fear u oo walahi. Coming from the horses mouth himself, it shows the absurdity and unquestionable like act of the presido.

Kick out Jonathan and Kick in Buhari.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by jorlons(m): 7:20am On Feb 14, 2015
Mehn this guy don collect from Nigerians sha.

Nobody they even hesitate small say na him still be presido. Dem just dey treat him 4kup openly.

Anyways na #GMB/PYO all the way.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Nobody: 7:21am On Feb 14, 2015
menesheh:
Whats are they talking about, go Dictionary type corruption, text your answer here and also stealing check ir out


Stealing is part of corruption but does

oga, u b olodo..beta go back to primary school and start from the scrath

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Nobody: 7:23am On Feb 14, 2015
amakufrancis:
guy you like it or not, Gej will win coming march

We need TRANSFORMATION

na how many times u go need transformation. So since 2011 u never see any transformation..nawa ooo.

Better seek for CHANGE instead of some non-existence transformation

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Sanchez01: 7:24am On Feb 14, 2015
amakufrancis:
guy you like it or not, Gej will win coming march

We need TRANSFORMATION
Funny! We've had this man preaching transformation with us for how many years He keeps preaching transformation when the only obvious thing being transformed is their local and foreign bank accounts. Transformation ko, transformer ni.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Nobody: 7:25am On Feb 14, 2015
amakufrancis:
I see, everyone has his or her brain of reasoning

Gej till 2019

and u have urs? I don't think so...better vote Buhari for change and be 'rest in peace'

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by sammyj: 7:26am On Feb 14, 2015
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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by dre11(m): 7:29am On Feb 14, 2015
Stealing is a subset of corruption...... Because corruption is a universal set that encompass all (dishonesty, unscrupulousness, double-dealing, fraud, fraudulence, misconduct, crime, criminality, wrongdoing; bribery, venality, extortion, profiteering, payola; informalgraft, stealing, grift, crookedness, sleaze)


So trying to separate the two is just like trying to cover for ones goof at a point in time

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by amakufrancis(m): 7:30am On Feb 14, 2015
2undexy:


na how many times u go need transformation. So since 2011 u never see any transformation..nawa ooo.

Better seek for CHANGE instead of some non-existence transformation

Change from what to what?
Pdp and apc are all corrupt, which kinda yeye change

We benefiting from the Transformation, big time down here in South South, and i know even you is benefiting from.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by PassingShot(m): 7:30am On Feb 14, 2015
I've said it before that trying to distinguish between stealing and corruption especially in the situation we find ourselves in Nigeria is a senseless thing to do. GEJ is not only corrupt but also a thief.

The worst of his utterances is the one on Nwobodo: "How much did Nwobodo stole that Buhari jailed him?".

And asking people openly during a presidential campaign if they like to go to jail is another evidence that our president is unapologetically and shamelessly corrupt.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Ngwakwe: 7:33am On Feb 14, 2015
Some so-called intellectuals are becoming mentally redundant.

1. The comment was a direct quote by the President in reference to a speech made by the Chief Justice of the federation.

2. Where I come from, a thief and a corrupt person is not the same so also is it in many parts of Nigeria.

We assume that Abomination is higher degree of Sin hence the Abominable needs to be ostracised.

3. In communication (syntax and semantics), the understanding of the recipient is/should be the target of the speaker to avoid defeating the purpose of the information delivered.

Let's stop flogging the dead horse. There is no mis-communication in the explanation of the President rather what we have are bunch of hate mongers who not only show their stupidity in attacking everything the President represents as a manifestations of the absolute resentment and antagonism.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by PassingShot(m): 7:36am On Feb 14, 2015
Ngwakwe:
Some so-called intellectuals are becoming mentally redundant.

1. The comment was a direct quote by the President in reference to a speech made by the Chief Justice of the federation.

2. Where I come from, a thief and a corrupt person is not the same so also is it in many parts of Nigeria.

We assume that Abomination is higher degree of Sin hence the Abominable needs to be ostracised.

3. In communication (syntax and semantics), the understanding of the recipient is/should be the target of the speaker to avoid defeating the purpose of the information delivered.

Let's stop flogging the dead horse. There is no mis-communication in the explanation of the President rather what we have are bunch of hate mongers who not only show their stupidity in attacking everything the President represents as a manifestations of the absolute resentment and antagonism.

All you have written here cannot justify a president saying "... mere stealing Nigerians say is corruption" Neither does it make any sense for a president tacitly supporting stealing by asking dumbly "How much did Nwobodo stole that Buhari jailed him?" as if the amount involved is what determines the graveness of the act.

Again, what sense is there in pardoning Alamaesuegha and Bode George who were convicted for stealing and corruption.

GEJ is corrupt and a thief. Simple as ABC.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Nobody: 7:36am On Feb 14, 2015
amakufrancis:

Change from what to what?
Pdp and apc are all corrupt, which kinda yeye change

We benefiting from the Transformation, big time down here in South South, and i know even you is benefiting from.



mention some of the things u have benefited from...electricity? Water? Tared road? Guaranteed jobs? Or what

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Micuilles: 7:37am On Feb 14, 2015
Ghost workers in institutions is also corruption, & stealing is involved but not directly. GEJ didn't say stealing is not corruption, he only painted a scenario where he quoted a judge who claimed that most of the case files he was handling were 80% stealing & not necessarily "corrupt" practices. Yes to steal is a crime committed by a corrupted mind, so it can be termed as a corrupt practice, but in a situation where under age gets involved with online crimes, or a couple commits adultery, indulging in indecency movies, etc, it is not stealing, but corruption.

As such, I opine that the word corruption is vague, & that's why it's better to call a thief a thief. There are punishments according to the law for stealing. But one thing is sure, GEJ's regime is far less corrupt than previous, so lets stop over heating the polity.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by PassingShot(m): 7:42am On Feb 14, 2015
Micuilles:
Ghost workers in institutions is also corruption, & stealing is involved but not directly. GEJ didn't say stealing is not corruption, he only painted a scenario where he quoted a judge who claimed that most of the case files he was handling were 80% stealing & not necessarily "corrupt" practices. Yes to steal is a crime committed by a corrupted mind, so it can be termed as a corrupt practice, but in a situation where under age gets involved with online crimes, or a couple commits adultery, indulging in indecency movies, etc, it is not stealing, but corruption.

As such, I opine that the word corruption is vague, & that's why it's better to call a thief a thief. There are punishments according to the law for stealing. But one thing is sure, GEJ's regime is far less corrupt than previous, so lets stop over heating the polity.

You're wrong. GEJ said it clearly. Stealing is involved in corruption and you cannot support or seen to be supporting stealing in any way or form.

In his presidential chat, he was trying too hard to explain it away but even ended up making us believe that stealing is not corruption by saying "people use corruption to cover stealing ..". This makes no sense at all.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by Nobody: 7:47am On Feb 14, 2015
Ngwakwe:
Some so-called intellectuals are becoming mentally redundant.

1. The comment was a direct quote by the President in reference to a speech made by the Chief Justice of the federation.

2. Where I come from, a thief and a corrupt person is not the same so also is it in many parts of Nigeria.

We assume that Abomination is higher degree of Sin hence the Abominable needs to be ostracised.

3. In communication (syntax and semantics), the understanding of the recipient is/should be the target of the speaker to avoid defeating the purpose of the information delivered.

Let's stop flogging the dead horse. There is no mis-communication in the explanation of the President rather what we have are bunch of hate mongers who not only show their stupidity in attacking everything the President represents as a manifestations of the absolute resentment and antagonism.
you sit in front of a laptop to call brilliant lawyers like fred agbaje a redundant fellow just cos he exposed the clueless one's lies. Are you anyway near them in brilliance? Men, they took your boss to the cleaners.

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by kay1one2(m): 7:48am On Feb 14, 2015
Jonathan is obviously corrupt that's why he's playing around with such a dangerous word! Buhari is an extremist! Gej should finish his second term, then we'll hope for a great deliverance because I don't think the apc is it!

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Re: Stealing Same As Corruption, Lawyers Tell Jonathan by dridowu: 7:49am On Feb 14, 2015
This GEJ government will be remember for saying "stealing is not corruption"

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