AmunRaOlodumare:
Allow me to repost what I said above about the subject of this thread:


Israel were not black. Even Ancient Egyptians depicted the Aamu (Palestine and West Asian people) as pale/white Semitic people.

Even if Ancient Egyptians were black, as I believe. It doesn't really matter. Zulu are blacks and it doesn't mean people in Nigeria must adopt Zulu religions or customs.

Same for Jesus. Even if Jesus was black, it doesn't mean we need to adopt his religion. Each people in Africa have their own spiritual beliefs.

@bold...that's what you have been brainwashed to believe. Why was Jesus, his mother and father asked to run and hide in farway Egypt in Africa, the land of Ham (Ham means brown or sunburnt in Hebrew even till today), to take refuge from the persecuting Pharoah? Why not Libya or the land of Aamu, if he were light-skinned? Where is your common sense?

Afroconnect:

Ok,this is the link ignoramus,the name is Horus-Yeshua is the real native name Jesus before the translation.

This is the link that talks about the Egyptian Horus,the similiarities and such...the reasons people think it is a copied story from the Egyptians by the Europeans.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread290806/pg1

sadly for you I know more about the Horus story than you can imagine.
And the link you provided said nothing about Horus being called yeshua.
Pls review your sources

bigfrancis21:


@bold...that's what you have been brainwashed to believe. Why was Jesus, his mother and father asked to run and hide in farway Egypt in Africa, the land of Ham (Ham means brown or sunburnt in Hebrew even till today), to take refuge from the persecuting Pharoah? Why not Libya or the land of Aamu, if he were light-skinned? Where is your common sense?

By that time period (and even earlier in the Delta), Egypt was already inhabited by people of foreign origins from various foreign conquest of Egypt (Hyksos, Assyrians, Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, etc). Massive migrations from Western Asia and Europe, as well as subsequent demographic expansion, changed the ethnic composition of Ancient Egypt to what it is today. Diluting the proportion of African ancestry we can see in modern Egypt.

You can read some reference about it here:

CHANGE IN THE ETHNIC COMPOSITION OF MODERN EGYPT:

We all know in terms of ethnic composition, modern Egypt, is much different from Ancient Egypt.

Contemporary Egypt, is mostly an ethnic admixture between foreign invaders and conquerors and indigenous African people. Autosomally, as a whole, they tend to cluster more with Eurasian especially the Middle East. In the south, populations like Nubians probably cluster more with Africans. All this is because of massive immigration from Europe and western Asia which started already in dynastic time, culminating in the Hyksos (Aamu) foreign rule during the second intermediate period, as well as during the late periods up to now (Assyrians, Arab conquest, British colonization, etc).

As a consequence the many invasions of ancient Egypt, the population has changed over the years. There were Hyksos (Heka Khasut) from Asia, who melted into the Delta Region around 1500 B.C.E., and then a series of invasions by the Assyrians, Persians and Greeks. With the arrival of large groups of Arabians in the seventh century C.E., the racial character of Egypt began to change.

The resultant mixtures of Africans, Arabs, Greeks and Persians were to be jointed with Turks, Russians, Albanians, British, and French to create a different population that there had been during the ancient times.

One cannot say that today's Egypt is the same as the Egypt of antiquity anymore than one can say that today's North America is the same as it was 5000 years ago.

- From The Oxford Encyclopedia of African Thought, Volume 1 (2010)

With the passage of time, each wave of new immigrants has assimilated into the local mix of peoples , making modern Egypt a combination of Libyans, Nubians, Syrians, Persians, Macedonians, Romans, Arabs, Turks, Circassians, Greeks, Italians, and Armenians, along with the descendants of the people of ancient Egypt.

- From A Brief History of Egypt by Jr. Goldschmidt Arthur (2007)

- Alexander the Great’s conquest of Egypt, in 332 BCE, precipitated a period of mass immigration .

from Ethnicity (Riggs, 2012)

The Late Period is often singled out as the time when mass immigration into Egypt altered the character of the country

from A Companion to Ancient History Edited by Andrew Erskine (2009)

The Muslim conquerors did not attempt a mass conversion of Christianity to Islam, if only because that would have reduced the taxes non-Muslims were compelled to pay, but a number of other factors were at work. Arab men could marry Christian women and their children would become Muslim. Large-scale Arab immigration into Egypt began during the eighth century.

from A History of Egypt: From Earliest Times to the Present by Jason Thompson (2009)

gatiano:
To understand this fully. what caused tribalism in Africa? why do one tribe despises the other?

Which tribe despises another
Tribalism isn't about hatred for another tribe, it's about commitment to your tribe and ethnicity

@bigfrancis you say upper Egyptians claimed to have migrated from the land of Punt. Pls wats ur source?

bigfrancis21:
Why was Jesus, his mother and father asked to run and hide in farway Egypt in Africa, the land of Ham (Ham means brown or sunburnt in Hebrew even till today), to take refuge from the persecuting Pharoah?

Persecuting Pharaoh Or u mean Herod

AmunRaOlodumare:

That's true, but anyway I don't see why those poor Christianized and brainwashed Africans would want to claim Ancient Egypt. Ancient Egypt was a great PAGAN nation like Ancient Greece for example (also known as the Cradle of Western Civilization). They developed the science and knowledge Christianity tried to put down during the dark ages. Even in the Bible Ancient Egypt is treated like the enemy. The bad people who enslaved innocent, we are made to believe maybe actually prisoners of war, Hebrew people.

As I said above, Ancient Egyptians themselves depicted the people from the Levant called Aamu/Hyksos as pale/white Semitic people.

Just wat I was thinking about too. Why is the Egyptian evil and demonic civilization now so important to Christians?

AmunRaOlodumare:

By that time period (and even earlier in the Delta), Egypt was already inhabited by people of foreign origins from various foreign conquest of Egypt (Hyksos, Assyrians, Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, etc). Massive migrations from Western Asia and Europe, as well as subsequent demographic expansion, changed the ethnic composition of Ancient Egypt to what it is today. Diluting the proportion of African ancestry we can see in modern Egypt.

You can read some reference about it here:

CHANGE IN THE ETHNIC COMPOSITION OF MODERN EGYPT:

We all know in terms of ethnic composition, modern Egypt, is much different from Ancient Egypt.

Contemporary Egypt, is mostly an ethnic admixture between foreign invaders and conquerors and indigenous African people. Autosomally, as a whole, they tend to cluster more with Eurasian especially the Middle East. In the south, populations like Nubians probably cluster more with Africans. All this is because of massive immigration from Europe and western Asia which started already in dynastic time, culminating in the Hyksos (Aamu) foreign rule during the second intermediate period, as well as during the late periods up to now (Assyrians, Arab conquest, British colonization, etc).



- From The Oxford Encyclopedia of African Thought, Volume 1 (2010)


- From A Brief History of Egypt by Jr. Goldschmidt Arthur (2007)




from Ethnicity (Riggs, 2012)
from A Companion to Ancient History Edited by Andrew Erskine (2009)



from A History of Egypt: From Earliest Times to the Present by Jason Thompson (2009)

You are quoting excerpts from a Eurocentric book that seeks to perpetrate the claim that ancient egyptians were a mixed race people and could not have been black to have built the pyramids, just to prove your point? The book lies because Herodotusand Aristotle at some point in 300BC when they wrote their book about the Egyptians mentioned that they were black with wooly hair. If your Eurocentric book you quoted from claims Egypt had begun to be invaded as at early as 1500BC, how come Egypt was still a black country as of 300BC? Mind you, Egypt first fell to an outside influence at a point in 300BC. Before then and hundreds of years after, ancient Egyptians abhorred inter-marriage with foreigners, preferring to marry between themselves, as Horus pointed earlier.

The bible tells us that much later after Jesus died and St. Paul, a Hebrew, went to foreign lands to preach, he was frequently mistaken to be Egyptian. 'Are you not that Egyptian' as they would fondly ask him, 'how is it that you are able to speak Greek, e.t.c?'

As Paul was about to be brought into the barracks, he said to the commander, "May I say something to you?" And he said, "Do you know Greek? 38"Then are you not the Egyptian who some time ago stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness?" 39But Paul said, "I am a Hebrew of Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no insignificant city; and I beg you, allow me to speak to the people."…

Acts 21:38

In as much as I don't want to sound religious, the bible is an accurate historical book that should be relied on, and not Eurocentric books written with some racist agenda to discredit black africans of their history.

Paul was often mistaken to be an Egyptian, one from the land of Ham (black people), and each time he was confused for an egyptian he had to assert his Hebrewness. Mind you, this was happening around 30 - 35AD, some 350 years after Egypt fell to its first foreign inquisition and yet at that time the Hebrews were still mistaken to be Egyptians. Which tells you that at that time, ancient Hebrews were racially similar to the Egyptians and their blood lines were still intact. During the Roman empire, the Egyptians were known to be a black people. Herodotus and Aristotle confirmed this in their books. The racial similarities between Egyptians, Ethiopians and Hebrews were always been noted in the bible way back to the old testament. For example, Moses, a hebrew, living and growing up peacefully among the ancient Egyptians in the house of Pharoah for 40 years without the Pharoah knowing that he wasn't his flesh and blood. When Joseph's brothers came to Egypt, they could barely recognize him from the rest of the Egyptians as their brother because they were all racially the same at that time.

Ancient Egyptians:

macof:

Persecuting Pharaoh Or u mean Herod

You find it difficult to assimilate allegory?

Under roman occupation, the roman emperors were known to address themselves as 'pharoahs' but not to the extent that the greeks did.

macof:

Just wat I was thinking about too. Why is the Egyptian evil and demonic civilization now so important to Christians?

This is not a religious matter nor christian vs ATR matter. This is an african issue on a wider scale, setting aside religious differences. There is an on-going war to discredit africans of their history. For hundred of years, africans have been made to believe they have no place in the civilization of man, neither have they any notable inventions or achievement and Egypt being a thoroughly african civilization is trying to be discredited of Africans and attributed to some other 'superior' race despite overwhelming evidence that points to an african origin. Accepting that Egyptians were an ancient black people would mean blacks originally invented mathematics, science, medicine, philosophy which they taught the ancient greeks and romans - a fact that they would rather not admit to.

Do you call all those nairaland bashing one another commitment to ourselves? Tribalism is about pure hatred and contempt for one another between tribes all over black Africa.
How does this relate to the topic? it has everything to do with the topic and to prove that some black people are purely indiginous to sub-sahara Africa while some black migrated from into Sub-sahara Africa. Where then did this immigrants come from?

Immigration into Africa has begun for about 34,000 years.
The original indiginous African had their own specific religion(it was always monotheist)
34,000 years ago, Lemuria sank into the pacific, A lot moved into Africa with a new type of religion, while others remained in the pacific islands and australia as we have them today.
THE INDIGINOUS PEOPLE OF AFRICA DIDN'T LIKE THIS NEW RELIGION, HOWEVER, THEY ACCOMODATED THEM.

22,000 years ago, Atlantis too also sank into the atlantic, a lot moved into Africa with another strange religion, while some of them moved into the america continent (later the mongolians who crossed the baring straits, those who reached the southern part of americas intermixed with the blacks there to make red indians, some who could not, camped along the way, these were the eskimoes).

THE INDIGINOUS PEOPLE OF AFRICA AGAIN DIDN'T LIKE THIS RELIGION, WHILE THE ONES FROM LEMURIA DIDN'T LIKE BOTH OF THE RELIGIONS, BUT THEY ALL ACCOMODADTED ONE ANOTHER.

They lived peacefully together, from the top of Africa down till the tip, which at the time included the middle-east (there was no suez canal at the time, one could go on land from sudan to Yemen).

Now to the part where people hate, but i will write it all the same. After delibrate breeding of brown skin black person into another brown dark skin person, they produced a lighter brown skin person and after 7 generations of selective breeding, they produced the first set of new people (the greeks, spanish, latinoes etc, this people features are not really white with black eyes and black hair).
7 generations of mixing this new race for another 7 generations, the phoenicians were produced,(this included the persians, arabs, middle eastern etc). Mongolians were produced after that, and from them the caucasians. (i know you all hate this).

During all this breeding process, Some blacks were born along side these new people. This blacks were the one called HEBREWS. Children of YAHWEH. Because it was Yahweh who was the head of the selective breeding.
They started having problems with the light skinned people there in Pelan, so they migrated to the middle-east where they made a home in Palestine and Jerusalem, they brought with them their Hebrew religion that Yahweh gave them.

soon after wards, these light skinned people moved to the middle east, they adopted the black people religion because it was superior to what they practiced, the same people also moved to the arabian places. Islam and this Hebrew religion was infact the same thing similar to those of north african where blacks were living.

Light skinned people caused troubles again, divided the religion into two seperated entities and fought amongst themselves, while the blacks in paletines and arabs (most) migrated into Africa(egypt). sooner the light skinned came there too causing troubles. The hebrews moved down, some deviated the hebrew into Islam, anyways they all moved into Africa(sub-sahara)
WITH THEM CAME SEVERAL RELIGION; INDIGINOUS SUB-SAHARANS DIDN'T LIKE THIS, BUT THEY ACCOMODATED THEM. THERE WAS A LITTLE COMTEMPT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN RELIGION BUT THERE WAS PEACE. NO TRIBALISM AT THIS TIME.

Tribalism started with the slave trade, that already started with the blacks in arabian peninsular, syria, yemen, morocco, egypt, palestines(the blacks that remained) these were the first batches of slaves to be taken by the caucasians trading with their arab brothers.
Later they came into sub-sahara. This is the point where and when tribalism was ignited. Racism brought forth and ignited that differences in our religions. the indiginous in order to save themselves started capturing the hebrews and selling them, only for them to fall into the same pridicament later on. the mozafockers white people came back again after they improved slavery into colonization (slavery abroad into slavery in our home), with them, they brought christianity. Christianity is the only religion that ain't ours. The same thing that happened to us in Africa was the same that happened to the blacks on the indian sub-continent.

Now you may all begin to call me crazy, instead of picking up books to read to make research and deduce the truth by yourselves.

macof:


Which tribe despises another
Tribalism isn't about hatred for another tribe, it's about commitment to your tribe and ethnicity

kobonaire:
yup yup

You're right tho. I do have another NL account. had issues with my email so I opted for another NL ID. Thanks hun..

They brought the wooden cross, with nicely edited bible. christianity. they took away the true hebrew religion, took away the true Islam, took away the true African Traditional Religion systematically and replaced it with their own filth paganism. and they gave us christianity and muhammadianism and paganism thus the condition of poverty we are in right now. shouting in our churches, mosques and shrines wasting our time.

macof:


Pls what's the bible passage about Simon being Jesus's brother?

Simon (brother of Jesus) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_%28brother_of_Jesus%29

bigfrancis21:


You are quoting excerpts from a Eurocentric book that seeks to perpetrate the claim that ancient egyptians were a mixed race people and could not have been black to have built the pyramids, just to prove your point? The book lies because Herodotusand Aristotle at some point in 300BC when they wrote their book about the Egyptians mentioned that they were black with wooly hair. If your Eurocentric book you quoted from claims Egypt had begun to be invaded as at early as 1500BC, how come Egypt was still a black country as of 300BC? Mind you, Egypt first fell to an outside influence at a point in 300BC. Before then and hundreds of years after, ancient Egyptians abhorred inter-marriage with foreigners, preferring to marry between themselves, as Horus pointed earlier.

The bible tells us that much later after Jesus died and St. Paul, a Hebrew, went to foreign lands to preach, he was frequently mistaken to be Egyptian. 'Are you not that Egyptian' as they would fondly ask him, 'how is it that you are able to speak Greek, e.t.c?'

Acts 21:38

In as much as I don't want to sound religious, the bible is an accurate historical book that should be relied on, and not Eurocentric books written with some racist agenda to discredit black africans of their history.

Paul was often mistaken to be an Egyptian, one from the land of Ham (black people), and each time he was confused for an egyptian he had to assert his Hebrewness. Mind you, this was happening around 30 - 35AD, some 350 years after Egypt fell to its first foreign inquisition and yet at that time the Hebrews were still mistaken to be Egyptians. Which tells you that at that time, ancient Hebrews were racially similar to the Egyptians and their blood lines were still intact. During the Roman empire, the Egyptians were known to be a black people. Herodotus and Aristotle confirmed this in their books. The racial similarities between Egyptians, Ethiopians and Hebrews were always been noted in the bible way back to the old testament. For example, Moses, a hebrew, living and growing up peacefully among the ancient Egyptians in the house of Pharoah for 40 years without the Pharoah knowing that he wasn't his flesh and blood. When Joseph's brothers came to Egypt, they could barely recognize him from the rest of the Egyptians as their brother because they were all racially the same at that time.

[img]http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Egypros.jpg[/img]
Ancient Egyptians

this seem to be rather convincing.
ride on bro

macof:

Just wat I was thinking about too. Why is the Egyptian evil and demonic civilization now so important to Christians?

we hardly hear of any black man accomplishment when it comes to civilization. Even in African,most of us didn't even know they were good in mathematics,how they count,but we know Roman numerals
Whoever is fighting for 'Jesus was a black man' either a xtian or not are just trying to let the people know that black werenot inferior.
And yes white folks are worshiping a black man. If this true. How do u think people will feel
Some xtians(Africans xtian) won't agree Jesus is black because deep down in them they think black is inferior.
Xtainity had it root in Africa
Lemme ask u a question. Who and who throughout the bible do u think were black

@AmunRaOlodumare
I will ignore ur insults maybe you are in a bad mood today

The vast majority of Predynastic archaeological finds have been in Upper Egypt, because the silt of the Nile River was more heavily deposited at the Delta region, completely burying most Delta sites long before modern times :Wikipedia on "Prehistory of Egypt".

With this, more is known about upper Egypt than lower Egypt, as such nobody can say with assurance how the lower Egyptians got their culture either through trading with the levant or having common roots

Consider The utter difference between pre-dynastic lower Egypt and black Africa
1. The Merimde culture had no cemeteries, but buried their dead in their settlements while the black Africans take burial seriously and erect tombs for the high and rich and separate lands for burying the dead
2. Their Pottery had no designs
3. The Maadi culture did develop cemeteries but had no ceremonial funerals, very unlikely of a black African people
4. In lower Egypt servants weren't buried with kings, upper Egypt and most of black Africa...especially in West Africa did this
Relationships between lower and upper Egypt before 4000BC isn't known

Evidence of the earliest settlements in
Egypt where agriculture was practiced is in
the north (Fayum A and Merimda), where
the domesticates are thought to have been
introduced from SW Asia (Trigger 1983:
17)

It's left for people to wait for further information or throw opinions around, but you are NO AUTHORITY on ancient Egypt

bigfrancis21:


This is not a religious matter nor christian vs ATR matter. This is an african issue on a wider scale, setting aside religious differences. There is an on-going war to discredit africans of their history. For hundred of years, africans have been made to believe they have no place in the civilization of man, neither have they any notable inventions or achievement and Egypt being a thoroughly african civilization is trying to be discredited of Africans and attributed to some other 'superior' race despite overwhelming evidence that points to an african origin. Accepting that Egyptians were an ancient black people would mean blacks originally invented mathematics, science, medicine, philosophy which they taught the ancient greeks and romans - a fact that they would rather not admit to.

take my advice, there are beautiful civilizations in sub-Saharan Africa that beat Europe in probable exception of Rome. This hype on Egypt is too much and causing unnecessarily insults, lies and curses. There's Kush and Nubia which controlled Egypt for some time and gave the Egyptians much of their knowledge
There's Ife, Oyo and Benin of southern Nigeria which have some links with Nubians. There's Mali, Ghanian and Songhai empires, there's Kanem-Borno there's also the Numidian kingdom with vast black population in their Army

We need to go deep into African history, many of those tombs and groves need to be excavated, oral history should be taken seriously.
We lack historians.

Rennee:

You're right tho. I do have another NL account. had issues with my email so I opted for another NL ID. Thanks hun..

that's totally cool .... Renee is a lovely name ... in real life and on NL

uboma:




From your above comment, take a critical look at the 2nd and 3rd line, *if the god you worship doesnt look like you, then you are in bondage*.

What does this mean? You implied that your god looks like you which also means that you have seen your god. How on earth would you have known that your god looks like you if you havent seen him? Again i ask, do you have problems comprehending what you wrote down?

Oh my...

Let me break it down for you.

What is this thread about? It is about the image of Jesus, right? Now, pay attention...

If the God you worship does not look like you (white Jesus does not look like a black man), then you are in bondage.

How this translates into "I have seen my own God" is a mystery to me. The statement does not even suggest that I believe in any God that might look like me lol.

Basically, what you are saying I implied is the meaning YOU CHOSE to associate with my statement. It's all on you bro.

macof:


take my advice, there are beautiful civilizations in sub-Saharan Africa that beat Europe in probable exception of Rome. This hype on Egypt is too much and causing unnecessarily insults, lies and curses. There's Kush and Nubia which controlled Egypt for some time and gave the Egyptians much of their knowledge
There's Ife, Oyo and Benin of southern Nigeria which have some links with Nubians. There's Mali, Ghanian and Songhai empires, there's Kanem-Borno there's also the Numidian kingdom with vast black population in their Army

We need to go deep into African history, many of those tombs and groves need to be excavated, oral history should be taken seriously.
We lack historians.

There is no evidence to prove the links between the Nubians and South West Nigeria, either ancestrally or in contact physically. Ancestrally, DNA evidence proves no relationship whatsoever between the Nubians and the South West of Nigeria.

Paternal Y DNA Haplogroup:
The Y DNA is passed from father to son and can be used to trace paternally related tribes who share a common male ancestor.

Nubians: R1B (10.3%), J (43.6%), E1B1B(23.1%), B(7.7%).
Yoruba: B(8%), E1B1A(92%).
Igbo: E1B1A(89%). The remaining 11% ancestry is yet to be discovered.

Maternal L1(mtDNA)
The mitochondrial DNA is passed exclusively from mother to all of her children and is often used in genetic studies to determine peoples who share a common maternal ancestry.

In human mitochondrial genetics, Haplogroup L1 is a human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup common in Central and West Africa. It has two subgroups: L1b and L1c.

L1b: Haplogroup L1b is most frequent in West Africa. It is carried by 17-20% of the Senegalese population, and is common among Nigerian Igbo, Mauritanians, El Hierro, Gran Canarians, Akan people, Algerians, the Lemba, and Egyptians.

L1c: Haplogroup L1c reaches its highest frequencies in West and Central Africa, notably among the Mbenga Pygmy peoples. (see map).[5] Among the Mbenga, it is carried by 100% of Ba-Kola, 97% of Ba-Benzélé, and 77% of Biaka.[6] Other populations in which L1c is particularly prevalent include the Tikar (100%), Baka people from Gabon (97%) and Cameroon (90%),[7] the Bakoya (97%), and the Ba-Bongo (82%).[5] Common also in São Tomé (20%) and Angola (16-24%).
http://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2811%2900126-8/abstract#sec0085

From both paternal and maternal DNA testing for both tribes, if there's either of them that is, at least, distantly related to North Africans, it is Igbo. This relationship might explain the striking similarity in the Igbo pyramids and Step Pyramids of Egypt.

You have a point, there is need for more historians of African cultures and history. Africa needs to tell her story herself and not by an outsider.

kobonaire:
that's totally cool .... Renee is a lovely name ... in real life and on NL

lol of course it is... better than kobonaire too I guess.

Rennee:

lol of course it is... better than kobonaire too I guess.

kobonaire ® is original, I go charge you anytime you use am

Arcsniper:
we hardly hear of any black man accomplishment when it comes to civilization. Even in African,most of us didn't even know they were good in mathematics,how they count,but we know Roman numerals
Whoever is fighting for 'Jesus was a black man' either a xtian or not are just trying to let the people know that black werenot inferior.
And yes white folks are worshiping a black man. If this true. How do u think people will feel
Some xtians(Africans xtian) won't agree Jesus is black because deep down in them they think black is inferior.
Xtainity had it root in Africa
Lemme ask u a question. Who and who throughout the bible do u think were black

And this is the fault of the caucasians? How?

When blacks sit and wait for the white man to teach history, why won't they tell it to suit them?
How many black historians do we have? How many blacks are even interested in history? Even on Nairaland some morons say Africans were naked before colonialism, some say Africans had no knowledge of science, were dirty and all sorts irritating sounds coming from the mouths and words they type.
Don't blame white man blame ur brother and yourself for sitting and waiting for them to excavate and write books and make videos about your continent then claim what they wish

Upon all this it's however more disgusting that some Africans are so lazy that what they do is counter-claim upon information digged up by whites. Let's set things straight and learn to be truthful. Hebrews weren't black and it's not about whites, whites claiming middle eastern civilizations are honestly dumb
Let's see all evidence about the Hebrews nothing says they are black, all we have are manipulation tactics and Bible verses taken out of context, which make the blacks look even worse. So desperate for relevance that we resort to lies

macof:
@AmunRaOlodumare
I will ignore ur insults maybe you are in a bad mood today


With this, more is known about upper Egypt than lower Egypt, as such nobody can say with assurance how the lower Egyptians got their culture either through trading with the levant or having common roots

Consider The utter difference between pre-dynastic lower Egypt and black Africa
1. The Merimde culture had no cemeteries, but buried their dead in their settlements while the black Africans take burial seriously and erect tombs for the high and rich and separate lands for burying the dead
2. Their Pottery had no designs
3. The Maadi culture did develop cemeteries but had no ceremonial funerals, very unlikely of a black African people
4. In lower Egypt servants weren't buried with kings, upper Egypt and most of black Africa...especially in West Africa did this
Relationships between lower and upper Egypt before 4000BC isn't known

Evidence of the earliest settlements in
Egypt where agriculture was practiced is in
the north (Fayum A and Merimda), where
the domesticates are thought to have been
introduced from SW Asia (Trigger 1983:
17)

It's left for people to wait for further information or throw opinions around, but you are NO AUTHORITY on ancient Egypt

I'm sorry, I didn't mean my argumentative style to come out as insults. I intended to attack the ideas not the person which I respect.

You are right about the cultural influence of the Levant in the Merimbe culture. Upon verification, I was wrong earlier (I did use the iirc form) about the pottery which had Levantine influence. Let's recall that ultimately it's the Tasian/Badarian/Naqada, coming from the South (related to ancient pre-dynastic "Nubian" area cultures) which became the foundation of pre-dynastic and dynastic Ancient Egypt.

It's quite possible this cultural influence could have existed with limited instances of admixtures with the Levant. Although as any instances of interaction between people (trading, etc), there would undoubtedly exist instances of admixtures :

For this you must take this into account.
" Moving to the opposite geographical extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.73 The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. " - Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilization (Kemp, 2005, p.54)

If they are the same people, or highly admixed with them, how come the analysis of the human remains says the contrary?

Pre-dynastic Lower Egypt is notorious for the lack of archeological sites, which may simply reflect the lack of settlements in that area in that time period.

Ultimately it doesn't really matter because the foundation of the Ancient Egyptian state lays in continuity with the development of the Tasian/Badarian/Naqada culture.

And for the original topic of this thread, it doesn't really matter if Ancient Egyptians were black or not. Or even if Jesus was black or not (which he obviously wasn't.). Even if Zulu are blacks, it doesn't mean Nigerian people must adopt Zulu culture and customs more than those of Ancient Egyptians or any person/people deemed black. African people are made of various populations, each with their own history (which also include shared origins), religions, customs, cultures, etc. sharing both similarities and differences between each others.

At the end of it, each family can even pray and communicate with their own ancestors and grandfathers if they want to. That's African beliefs. It's also true for many traditional spirituality and non-Abrahamic religions around the world.

Jesus is truely a blackman. why? findout at -
https://www.nairaland.com/2163386/african-blackroots-science-religion-science

how come we can easily accept the fact that Mary, Joseph, Hitler, the 12 disciples of Jesus, and even Mohammed are white humans but we find it difficult to accept Jesus is a white Jewish man? these black racists sha.... smh

KoloOyinbo:


Actually the skin colour is irrelevant. He most certainly was not white. Middle eastern peoples are brownish.

My main issue here is the claim of a fictional Jesus. There is actually MORE documentary evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus than for the existence of (say for example) Julius Caesar. And we don't call Caesar fictional!

Why have they not found his remains? Or his families?

pashaun:


Why have they not found his remains? Or his families?

No more than Caesars but the documentary evidence is overwhelming! Count the number of contemporary references in Roman, Greek and Hebrew records.

holyokoto:



Fulanis are more of the Futa jalon races of Ancient Nubia, Now you got the joke. The black race we are emphasising, middle east type of Black

Not really, We the Fulani are from more towards Senegal/Mauritania originally (North West Africa) for which Fouta Toroo is named. Fouta Djallon/Jalon is named after the Jallonke people who are a mande group of people closely related to Bambara and other Mande groups. Toroo is named after the Toroobe also known as the Tukulor, a Fulani speaking people in Senegal/Mauritania.

With that said, my point is Afro-Asiatic languages came from Africa, and not the middle east. So it is highly probable and most likely the case that Ancient Arabs and Jews were both black. Most Afro-Asiatic speakers are black....not white. As aformentioned, the bulk of Afro-Asiatic languages are found in Africa, there are over 150 alone between Nigeria, Chad and Cameroon.

MrCork:



..dyammmm...u Muslim people shud stop creatin problems....gadeeemit... STOP THAT S***

Muslim? Like seriously? Does any of my post suggests that I'm a Muslim? I'm not a Muslim Chief! I'm a Messianic Hebrew Israelite...

It's time to wake up....The skin color of Jesus Christ when He lived and walked the Earth wasn't white or anything close to it! I see you have been brainwashed into bowing down in worship to the image of Cesare Borgia = White Jesus


Revelation 2:18

"To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.


Revelation 1:14-15

The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.


Daniel 10:6

His body was like beryl, his face flashed like lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and legs were like polished bronze, and his speech roared like that of a crowd.


Ezekiel 40:3

He took me there, and I saw a man whose appearance was like bronze; he was standing in the gateway with a linen cord and a measuring rod in his hand.


^^^^

What other biblical proof(s) do you need to be convinced that Jesus Christ had no resemblance whatsoever with Cesare Borgia? Smh!