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| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by true2god: 9:37pm On Feb 25, 2015 |
MrOlai:Stop insulting and ponder over the comparison of your prophet to Jesus. 2 Likes |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by parisbookaddict(f): 10:11pm On Feb 25, 2015 |
MrOlai: I don't have brea.sts.. maybe I do ..who knows..I am a guy..maybe I am a girl who knows.. u Muslims are funny when u are mad. go on Mr devout Muslim. . what else 1 Like |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by MrOlai: 10:27pm On Feb 25, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: parisbookaddict:Don't use style to cover what I asked u! Swear with ur life if u've not slept with different men! Oloriburuku! And ur church members would think u're responsible! 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by 9jaforlife: 10:33pm On Feb 25, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: Ifeanyi aka Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female aka white woman aka proud black aka l*unatic and now aka p*rostitute... We love Muhammad (Salallahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wasallam)..... If you're not happy about it, Go AND DIE!!!  1 Like |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by 9jaforlife: 10:41pm On Feb 25, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: Ifeanyi aka Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female aka p*rostitute, God don dey expose you! You don't have b*reasts, maybe you do. Maybe you're a guy. Maybe you're a girl, or hamaphrodite!! Which normal person talks like this? What are you hiding?? Concentrate on your life of p*rostitution and use gospel to cover up by way of lies. God will explose you completely. L*unatic  |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by 9jaforlife: 10:52pm On Feb 25, 2015 |
true2god: We have compared them and we choose to remain with our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him), no matter how much lies they fabricate against him. Should there be any problem with that  RELIGION IS BY CHOICE! The impossible mission of bigots like Ifeann aka parisbookaddict to FORCE CHRISTIANITY on Muslims has failed from the beginning, and will fail till eternity!! 1 Like |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by MrOlai: 11:08pm On Feb 25, 2015 |
9jaforlife:Yuriiduuna liyuthfiu nuurallah biafwai im, wallah mutimu nuurihi walao karialikaafirun! 9jaforlife:Yuriiduuna liyuthfiu nuurallah biafwai im, wallah mutimu nuurihi walao karialikaafirun! 2 Likes |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by parisbookaddict(f): 12:01am On Feb 26, 2015 |
MrOlai: Please go on..what else can ur imagination come up with besides sex related topics..
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| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by parisbookaddict(f): 12:04am On Feb 26, 2015 |
9jaforlife: Ur love for Mohammed is ur business. .people loved and continue to love Hitler. . mooHARMmad won't be the frist nor last mass murderer to be loved... love him or hate him I am indifferent. .however Mohammed will be discussed and his deeds exposed. 3 Likes |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by 9jaforlife: 12:37am On Feb 26, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: You're indifferent and you've employed every d*emonic tool in your possession to paint him (peace be upon him) black? What would you do if you ACTUALLY cared? Did I ever ask you to stop the nonsense you were born to do? Ride on girl, or is it boy now ? If his honourable name has shone through for over 14 centuries, surviving every form of attack, what do you think your sorry a*ss can do?Ifeanyi aka Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female aka proud black aka white woman, why is it that you can't have enough of me ?? I don't deal with p*rostitutes abeg! Biko, don't infect me with your m*adness!  |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by true2god: 4:52am On Feb 26, 2015 |
9jaforlife:Can you tell me the lies fabricated against your prophet? The op quoted from the bible, the quran and the hadith. Whenever a critical issue is brought up against your prophet, it becomes insults and fabrication, even if the issues are contained in your Islamic source materials. 4 Likes |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Empiree: 5:06am On Feb 26, 2015 |
true2god:And these are from Qur'an, too? 9jaforlife: 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Empiree: 5:48am On Feb 26, 2015 |
[size=15pt]Are Christians more violent than Muslims?[/size] Are Christians more violent than Muslims? What does the record say? Murder rate: White America, like most Christian countries in the Americas, Africa and Eastern Europe, is markedly more violent than most of the Middle East (murders per 100,000 population): 0.6 Bahrain 0.7 Oman 0.8 United Arab Emirates 0.9 Qatar 1.0 Saudi Arabia 1.2 Egypt 1.7 Cyprus 1.8 Jordan 2.0 Iraq 2.1 Israel 2.2 Kuwait 2.2 Lebanon 2.3 Syria 3.0 Iran 3.3 Turkey 3.4 WHITE AMERICA 4.1 Palestine 4.2 Yemen Terrorist attacks: According to the FBI, only 6% of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were carried out by Muslim extremists. Even Jewish extremists carried out more (7%). War: Wars with at least a million dead: [size=15pt]Christian wars:[/size] years: name: conservative body count in millions *535-554: Gothic Wars: 5.0m *790-1300: Reconquista: 7.0m *1096-1272: Crusades: 2.0m *1337-1453: Hundred Years’ War: 3.0m *1562-1598: French Wars of Religion: 3.0m *1568-1648: Dutch Revolt: 1.0m *1618-1648: Thirty Years’ War: 3.0m *1655-1660: Second Northern War: 3.0m *1763-1864: Russian-Circassian War: 2.0m *1792-1802: French Revolutionary Wars: 2.0m *1803-1815: Napoleonic Wars: 3.5m *1830-1903: War in Venezuela: 1.0m *1882-1898: Conquests of Menelik II of Ethiopia: 5.0m *1910-1920: Mexican Revolution: 1.0m *1914-1918: First World War: 20.0m *1917-1922: Russian Civil War: 5.0m *1939-1945: Second World War: 41.5m (European deaths only) *1946-1954: First Indochina War: 1.0m *1950-1953: Korean War: 1.2m *1955-1975: Vietnam War: 1.1m *1998-2003: Second Congo War: 2.5m Muslim wars: 1370-1405: Conquests of Tamerlane: 7.0m 1681-1707: Conquests of Aurangzeb: 5.0m 1967-1970: Nigerian Civil War: 1.0m 1980-1988: Iran-Iraq War: 1.0m 1983-2005: Second Sudanese Civil War: 1.0m 1989-2001: Afghan Civil War: 1.4m Seven times more people have died in Christian wars: [size=15pt]113.8 million compared to the 16.4 million who died in Muslim wars.[/size] There are more Christians, but only about 50% more, nothing like seven times more. Western history is Eurocentric, so we know more about wars in Christian lands than in Muslim ones. But not for wars since 1900, and there the imbalance is even worse: 73.3 million compared to 4.4 millon – 17 times more dead in Christian wars. Some blame technology, yet the Muslim world has all the weapons the West had to kill over 100 million people. And yet it did not. Democide: counts those who died not through war or street crime but through the wilful in/action of government, like genocide or Mao’s Great Leap Forward. Christian democides of a million or more (does not count communist democides): 940-1917: Russia (tsarist): 2.1m 1095-1272: Crusades: 1.0m 1451-1870: European slave trade: 17.3m 1492-1900: Latin America: 13.8m Amerindians 1600-1900: Caribbean: 10.0m slaves worked to death 1618-1648; Thirty Years War: 5.8m 1651-1987: British Empire: 1.1m (not counting slavery) 1800-1900: Brazil: 1.5m Amazon rubber companies 1900-1920: Mexico: 1.4m 1933-1945: Germany (Nazis): 20.9m 1945-1948: Poland: 1.6m Muslim democides of a million or more: 400-1900: Iran: 2.0m 1110-1918: Ottoman Empire: 3.9m 1958-1987: Pakistan: 1.5m 1983-2005: Sudan: 1.9m Nuer, Dinka, Christians, Nuba, etc Christians have killed eight times more people in democides than Muslims: 76.5 million compared to 9.3 million. Almost the same rate as for war. The mistake here lies not in the numbers but in the words “Christian” and “Muslim”. Sometimes religion is a cause – or at least an excuse – like in the bombings by Christian extremist Eric Rudolph or the genocide in Sudan. But most often it is not. Calling, say, the 9/11 terrorists “Muslim” is like calling Hitler “Christian”: true yet misleading. It is Islamophobia, not a serious attempt to understand the world as it is. Sources: Wikipedia, R.J. Rummel, FBI, Loonwatch, U.S. Department of Justice, List of countries by intentional homicide rate. https://abagond./2013/04/24/are-christians-more-violent-than-muslims/ 2 Likes 2 Shares
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| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Empiree: 6:03am On Feb 26, 2015 |
[size=15pt]Bible and violence[/size] Ra'anan S. Boustan states that "violence can be found throughout the pages of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament." Philip Jenkins describes the Bible as overflowing with "texts of terror". Supersessionist Christians focus on violence in the Old Testament while ignoring or giving little attention to violence in the New Testament Christian violence Among common examples of violence in Christianity, J. Denny Weaver lists "(the) crusades, the multiple blessings of wars, warrior popes, support for capital punishment, corporal punishment under the guise of 'spare the rod and spoil the child,' justifications of slavery, world-wide colonialism in the name of conversion to Christianity, the systemic violence of women subjected to men". In the view of many historians, the Constantinian shift turned Christianity from a persecuted into a persecuting religion. Miroslav Volf has identified the intervention of a "new creation", as in the Second Coming, as a particular aspect of Christianity that generates violence. Writing about the latter, Volf says: "Beginning at least with Constantine's conversion, the followers of the Crucified have perpetrated gruesome acts of violence under the sign of the cross. Over the centuries, the seasons of Lent and Holy Week were, for the Jews, times of fear and trepidation; Christians have perpetrated some of the worst pogroms as they remembered the crucifixion of Christ, for which they blamed the Jews. Muslims also associate the cross with violence; crusaders' rampages were undertaken under the sign of the cross." The statement attributed to Jesus "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" has been interpreted by some as a call to arms for Christians.[20] Mark Juergensmeyer argues that "despite its central tenets of love and peace, Christianity—like most traditions—has always had a violent side. The bloody history of the tradition has provided images as disturbing as those provided by Islam or Sikhism, and violent conflict is vividly portrayed in the Bible. This history and these biblical images have provided the raw material for theologically justifying the violence of contemporary Christian groups. For example, attacks on abortion clinics have been viewed not only as assaults on a practice that Christians regard as immoral, but also as skirmishes in a grand confrontation between forces of evil and good that has social and political implications."[20]:19–20, sometimes referred to as Spiritual warfare. Historically, according to René Girard, Christianity embraced violence when it became the state religion of Rome: "Beginning with Constantine, Christianity triumphed at the level of the state and soon began to cloak with its authority persecutions similar to those in which the early Christians were victims." Holy war The Biblical account of Joshua and the Battle of Jericho has been used to justify genocidal Holy war, including war waged on one Christian sect by another.[22]:3 Chirot also interprets 1 Samuel 15:1-3 as "the sentiment, so clearly expressed, that because a historical wrong was committed, justice demands genocidal retribution."[22]:7–8 Just war theory, on the other hand, is a doctrine of military ethics of Roman philosophical and Catholic origin[23][24] studied by moral theologians, ethicists, and international policy makers, that holds that a conflict can and ought to meet the criteria of philosophical, religious or political justice, provided it follows certain conditions. Continue reading..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence [size=20pt]CHRISTIANITY IS A VIOLENT RELIGION[/size]......I tell you 1 Like 1 Share
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| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Empiree: 6:49am On Feb 26, 2015 |
[size=15pt]Why did Jesus and Paul not condemn slavery?[/size] I already asked why didnt Paul, Mathew , Mark, Luke and John abolish slavery on these threads: https://www.nairaland.com/2161012/lets-take-look-slavery-contained/3#down https://www.nairaland.com/2153126/top-ten-signs-youre-fundamentalist/5 Nowhere in the New Testament will you find a condemnation of slavery, nor an updating of the Mosaic slave code. Instead you have stuff like Ephesians 6 where slaves are told to be “obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling”; and Philemon, where Paul sends back a runaway slave to his Christian owner. Jesus does not raise a word against the practice. How can this be? If slavery is a human evil, how can the Master and his servants have had nothing to say against it? Therein lies the answer. For Jesus and Paul, the master-servant (= slave) relationship was both a fact of life (not dissimilar to employer-employee, father-son) and a sign of all our client relationships with God. Jesus uses this relationship in the parable of the faithful steward (Luke 12:43-48): Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing [acting faithfully]. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. Here the Christian becomes the vilicus, or houshold steward (still a slave; think of Joseph in Potiphar’s house); Christ is the absent paterfamilias who will return to reward or punish him according to his faithfulness. For Jesus and Paul then, because we all live in a client relationship (God-Man; or better, Christ-Christian), extending that relationship to human interactions is not morally problematic. As such, slavery requires no condemnation for we are all slaves. All that remains is for slaves to “fear” their masters; and for masters (who are not the real masters, only the stewards), to not beat their slaves and otherwise act like delinquents. Moral? Even Jesus’ words in the New Testament are wedded to their time. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Empiree: 7:05am On Feb 26, 2015 |
What’s a slave? Part of the problem is historical context. Most contemporary people think of slaves as people condemned to a lifetime of bondage, working on plantations and being whipped like oxen. That kind of slavery did exist during the lives of Moses, Jesus and the Prophet Mohammad. Many slaves were prisoners of war; concubines, gladiators, laborers in salt mines. They could be killed, raped and discarded at any moment. Yet there were layers of slavery in the ancient world. Many slaves would be seen today as indentured servants, or people trying to pay off debts; royal bodyguards and entrepreneurs, historians say. Sometimes the slaves became masters. In medieval Egypt, Muslim rulers trained and educated slaves to be their bodyguards. One group of slaves grew so powerful that they overthrew the rulers of Egypt and established their own dynasty, says Ali Asani, a professor of Indo-Muslim and Islamic Languages and Culture at Harvard University. “Slavery meant different things in different cultures,” Asani says. “There wasn’t always this sense of powerlessness and oppression. In certain forms, it became an access to power.” 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by MrOlai: 7:42am On Feb 26, 2015 |
^^@Empiree. This is, indeed, a truly scholarstic research! @true2god and Ifeann/parisbookaddictoloriburuku, can u compare now violence in Christianity & Islam? Facts are facts! Facts don't lie. 2 Likes |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by parisbookaddict(f): 7:50am On Feb 26, 2015 |
9jaforlife: I am a proud Japanese man ..maybe.. Look dude Mohammed or as I now call him mooHARMmad dirty name and the Qur'an have only survived because of apostasy law..u know? Chopin off the heads of people who renounce islam after they discover it for what it is. .. u were born into it and brainwashed into believing that vile nonsense. People are waking up now..go online..even muslims are now asking questions on pro Islam site.. The truth has been brought to u.. accept or reject ...that's ur cup of tea.. Peace..
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| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by parisbookaddict(f): 8:00am On Feb 26, 2015 |
MrOlai: Its copy and paste dummy.. it's also filled with lies.... al taqiyyah and the muslim is inseparable. .deciet is ur game..I know muslims well enough. No bible verse to back up his claims.. no new testament commands to fight or be violent. . On the contrary I have presented tons of the evil verses from ur hadiths. .and quran Empiree create a topic and paste that there let christains expose ur lies.. I alway create new topics..u on the other hand hide it in other people's topics..u are a Fajarah muslim. 3 Likes |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Empiree: 8:22am On Feb 26, 2015 |
parisbookaddict:TRASH!^ "Tariq Ramadan,Hamza Yusuf,Javed Ahmad Ghamidi,Maulana Wahududdin khan and many more scholar oppose apostasy...dont you find time to read about them..in nowhere Quran death for apostasy is mention. Quran says,only in two cases a life can be taken(provided he does not deserve any leniency,it offers lots of scope of law making less than death punishment),first-if a person kills a innocent person and second-if a person became threat for society." You chose "muslim scholar" that befits your thought. Above fella speaks for himself. You are the one who wants to kill yourself because of islam. I have no time creating threads mocking and attacking others religion. Help yourself , girl. 1 Like |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by true2god: 8:38am On Feb 26, 2015 |
@ Empire, if muslim countries are more PEACEFUL as you just portryed it, why are there chaos and wars in most muslim countries like afghanistan, pakistan, yemem, bharain, egypt, libya, syria, bangladesh, mali, sudan, lebanon, somalia etc. If muslim countries are so PEACEFUL and organized, where are the running aways from thier countries, in millions, to the land of the infidels like the UK, the US, Germany, France, Australia, Canada, Holland, Austria? Why are they running away from sharia to countries that are anti-sharia? Can you, in all honesty, settle down with your family (as a Nigerian) in saudi arabia, Iran, pakistan or any muslim country? The answer is that you can't, unless you want to lie as usual. Muslims are running away from Islamic countries (except liberal countries like qatar and uae with low population and excess oil money) because of poverty, illiteracy and chaos, to Europe and American. 2 Likes |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Empiree: 8:44am On Feb 26, 2015 |
true2god:Records I posted speak volume. Don't worry yourself about empire. There are bunch of non muslims especially White folks in Saudi Arabia; and are enjoying Saudi riyal and are even treated a lot better than their fellow arabs and muslims. And troubled countries you mentioned up there, the fact that you even asked that question shows that you have no clue about the essence of eschatology which i highlighted on Ifeann's silly thread weeks earlier. So go and study eschatology to be able to comprehend the world today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehOstTdH7uA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWKus-L_2iY |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by true2god: 9:58am On Feb 26, 2015 |
Empiree:Mr eschatology na u sabi. This is the third time muslims will be invading europe en-mass. The first two were on military expedition and were soundly beaten and expelled back to north africa and arab land. What makes you think they wont be deported en-mass when push comes to shove. Muslims' claim of escathology by invading foreign lands and conqurring and subjugating them can only work in weak africa and asia countries. In america and europe, they will soon be expelled as usual. Radical groups like PEGIDA, EDL, and other far-right groups are already voicing their concern on uncontrolled muslim immigrations into their country. With the right govt in place, the inlux will be pushed back into their islamic hell-holes. Austrialia had already started it, austria is regulating islamic activities now, Germans are not happy with muslims, native british are against muslims and new mosques, americans are against muslim migrations. No sane country trust muslims\Islam anymore. The usual mantra that 'only small % of muslims are radicals', 'Islam isthe religion of peace', 'you cant place 1.5billion muslims in one basket', 'they have hijacked our religion' and other excuses are no longer working. If muslims don't adjust, the will soon be expelled again. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Weah96: 2:17pm On Feb 26, 2015 |
Jesus was altruistic. Mohammed was a realist. |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Empiree: 2:20pm On Feb 26, 2015 |
true2god:
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| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by johnydon22(m): 2:43pm On Feb 26, 2015 |
Hhmmmmmm nawa oooo... You guys dont ever get tired of castigating your religions? |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by parisbookaddict(f): 4:39pm On Feb 26, 2015 |
Empiree: Mr eschatology Ur Mohammed and Allah are so unclear..why do Muslims keep misunderstanding and misinterpreting ur quran..u guys disagree on every issue despite Mohammed telling u his quran is clear over and over again.. Renounce that nonsense ideology. . 1 Like |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by 9jaforlife: 4:45pm On Feb 26, 2015 |
true2god: Yes she has quoted from those sources but do you know that you can make a sound and reasonable text seem ridiculous by a simple manipulation? Most of her posts are lifted from anti-Islamic websites that were created by open enemies of Islam. Meanwhile, there are even more ridiculous quotes from the bible but she NEVER addresses them, rather, she carefully selects attractive bible quotes and compares them with hadiths that even Muslims have disagreed upon. Who is she deceiving? The other time she called Muslims paganistic because they kiss the Black Stone in Mecca, I challenged her to also address the fact that Catholics also kiss the statue of Mary but of course, the hypocrite Ifeann aka parisbookaddict ignored me as usual. Morality is greater than religion, for morality is what religion seeks to achieve. It's the same morality that dictates fairness. Subject YOUR OWN RELIGION TO THE SAME SCRUTINY, stop accusing someone else of what yourself is ten times guilty of!! 1 Like |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by parisbookaddict(f): 4:55pm On Feb 26, 2015 |
9jaforlife: Which manipulation. .I quote straight from ur sources.. I borrow from both anti and pro islamic websites. .and i post references...atimes I write it entirely from ur hadiths and quran. ....what are u talking about Look.. Venerating, bowing and kissing any object in a religious manner is paganism. . Last I checked Jesus never did this or allowed this but Mohammed did it..kissing a pagan black dirty stone with his lieing arab mouth. . Only the false prophet of Islam can promote such nonsense. . Renounce paganism. .renounce islam. |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by Rendezvou: 5:25pm On Feb 26, 2015 |
I dedicated many years studying Islam after 9/11. I couldn't just reckon with the kind of life and about 90% of muhammad's teachings. I would love if muslims don't derail this thread but deal precisely on the comparison between Jesus and Muhammad as detailed in the op. |
| Re: Non-muslims Only: Jesus Or Mohammed by 9jaforlife: 5:27pm On Feb 26, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: There is NO place in the Quran, where death is prescribed for apostasy. The Quran is clear about choice and free will in religion. "There is no compulsion in religion" [2:256] "Whoever so wills may believe and whoever so wills may deny" [18:29] It is also established that Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) NEVER ordered the death penalty to be carried out on people known during his time to have apostatised. Of such people was a Bedouin man who came to Medina (during a time of political and military power for Muslims) to announce his Islam, but apostatised and left the city a short period later WITHOUT RECEIVING ANY PENALTY for his subsequent rejection. Apostasy: Religion or Politics? It is important to note that prior to entering Islam, the two biggest tribes in Medina were engaged in a lengthy civil war that only ended when their allegiances were redefined from the tribal to the religious. If these new allegiances were jeopardised, it was highly likely to lead to civil strife and loss of life again. Hence, the Hadith about the death penalty is not about apostasy in the strict sense of "no longer believing in Islam" per se. Rather, it is about what can be considered in modern terms political treason. Contemporary Muslim scholar Abdallah bin Bayyah previously commented on a problem in how modern Muslims approach scriptural sources where they "misunderstand the text, ignore the context, and thus misapply the ruling". It should be pointed out that the support for this penalty is not about a change in belief as much as it is about a change in political allegiances. On the contrary, Ifeann aka parisbookaddict should note that it is Infact, the bible, which prescribes death for apostasy. Deuteronomy 13:6-11 ESV “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. [/b]But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. ... [b] Hebrews 6:4-8 ESV For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, [/b] and its end is to be burned. [b] 1 Like 1 Share |
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