FrancisTony:

Yes! I'm more of a deist than a Christian.

I believe in God, Jesus, some bible verses etc but some of it don't add up, at all....

They contradicts common sense.

Evina:


My opinion, which was formed from the bible!
God made man and woman! Go figure!!!

FrancisTony:

Yes! I'm more of a deist than a Christian.

I believe in God, Jesus, some bible verses etc but some of it don't add up, at all....

They contradicts common sense.

“They said there were two things: their Judeo-Christian faith, and their strong families. Those were the things that had to be attacked, and those things have been systematically attacked.
“There’s a book called the Unclad Communist… it lays out the whole agenda of how to attack the family and the Judeo-Christian values, to weaken the structure of America… you can see all the things that are happening in America today.”

Sunglow:
Thank God u said common sense, for revelation knowledge is required. You can't figure out the scriptures by mere common sense

Pr0ton:


Oh I didn't see that. So some Bible verses might be written by primitive men?

FrancisTony:

I didn't say that, Sir...

Pr0ton:


So God also inspired some of the verses you don't believe?

“The moral systems of religion, I think, are super important. We've raised our kids in a religious way; they've gone to the Catholic church that Melinda goes to and I participate in,” Gates said in an interview with Rolling Stonefor the March 27 issue.

“I’ve been very lucky, and therefore I owe it to try and reduce the inequity in the world. And that's kind of a religious belief. I mean, it’s at least a moral belief.”

FrancisTony:


An excerpt from “Bill Gate“ interview.....


I share his thought even though he's an agnostic.

As for God inspiring them, I don't care and don't wanna know.

- I tell you, a house divided on itself shall not stand.

- All scriptures, I mean all scriptures are the inspiraton of God...

- and whosoever shall break least of this commandment shall be least in heaven

- you can't serve two masters...

- whosoever shall keep the all law but offend in one point is guilty of all

Logicalmind:
I'm not homophobic but there's something Dan Savage should understand.

Having gay or heterosexual sex is a choice but the feelings of attraction is inborn.

Just as a priest or anybody would choose to remain a celibate and in actual sense, it equates them as asexual but it's not so because the heterosexual and homosexual ones would still be nuturing the feelings.

Even if Ben carson decides to suck his dick, it still doesn't make Ben a gay because gayim is defined by attraction which is inborn but engaging in the act is a CHOICE.

sweetcocoa:
It's a choice it's a choice you all say.

The attraction is inborn according to you, what would you have these gay folks do? They are attracted to people of same sex which is how their body and brain works, should they remain celibate?

Logicalmind:

heck! I'm not discriminating. They can have sex for less I care.

Being gay is not a choice but having sex both heterosexual and homosexual is a choice.

I guess a gay man or woman is choosy about his partner and that makes it a CHOICE.

TV01:

Everyone is wired to be "straight" - it's by design. If you are otherwise "oriented", you are faulty - by default. Whether you argue the fault was from birth or acquired afterwards.

finofaya:


I don't even know who Dan Savage is.

I think the logic is persuasive. You couldn't say where your abhorrence for romantic intimacy with your gender comes from, if asked. You certainly did not choose to be repulsed by men, sexualy. You just know you have it and you do what it says. You can't even begin to consider acting contrary to it.

In the same vein you can't trace the source of your attraction to women. It's there and you like it, end of story. You don't remember choosing it.

Someone who wanted to be gay would not only have to choose to be attracted to others of the same sex, but also to be repulsed by the opposite sex. What could motivate such a choice? Why doesn't the person go for bisexual or asexual, which requires a smaller mental overhaul? Why doesn't anybody seem to remember choosing their sexual orientation? There are no satisfactory answers to these questions which are raised when you call sexual orientation a choice.

Being wired that way is a better explanation.

5minsmadness:
Or wait, how about serial rapists? By your logic, they can't help having forced sex, I mean, why swim against the mental norm of having consensual sex, knowing fully well that if they are caught they will be punished for their crime? They didn't choose to be that way, they just are. we should give rapists a break too. It's their sexual orientation. They are wired that way.

FrancisTony:
5minsmadness, you didn't make sense a tad bit.

Before we can continue, answer this question.

Is Paedophiles and rapist sex between two consenting adults like homosexuals?

5minsmadness:

Francis Tony, you hardly make any sense yourself.

OK I get it. It's about consent, right? I know of one and have read of several cases where the little 5yr old girls insisted they were in love with their pedophile partners. They consented to having sex and what is more they enjoyed it. So I guess it's okay then.

5minsmadness:
Or why stop at sexual orientation? What about serial killers? They can't trace their source of attraction to killing. It's just there and that's it. Why go against societal norm? They didn't choose to be attracted to killing just as I didn't choose to be attracted to women with large buttocks. So it's not a choice for them.

They are just wired that way.

5minsmadness:


You are so right. They are wired that way.
I mean, it's the same with pedophiles. Those men that are attracted to and have sex with babies and little children under 5yrs old. It must not be their fault that they are attracted to them since it's not the norm. They must be wired that way too. So let's stop punishing pedophiles and respect their desires and way of life too.

5minsmadness:
Or wait, how about serial rapists? By your logic, they can't help having forced sex, I mean, why swim against the mental norm of having consensual sex, knowing fully well that if they are caught they will be punished for their crime? They didn't choose to be that way, they just are. we should give rapists a break too. It's their sexual orientation. They are wired that way.

FrancisTony:

5minsmadness, you can lie sha.
Lemme allow you to exhibit your five minutes of madness.

A 5year old child will never demand for sex except having lured to the act. What does a 5year old child know about feelings and attractions. Oestrogen and Testosterone starts functioning at a certain age.
Homosexual and Heterosexual paedophilia is darn wrong because they take an advantage of a minor.

If your "yeye" story is to be true, then, it means the girl started enjoying after she has been molested a millions on time. She was addicted to it through several rounds not her choice to do it.

FrancisTony:

You are only exposing your stùpidity. Never knew you like this....

Tell me how sex between two man or woman hurts you? Abeg, park well jare.

finofaya:


I think 5 years is a rather low margin to set. Maybe 18?

Children are not consenting adults, and that's why pedophilia is not okay. Once you take away consent from any sexual activity, you have a problem. Try making love to a non consenting adult female and see what happens. Without consent, even our heterosexual love becomes an offence.

finofaya:


The question of which conduct we should permit and which we should proscribe is different from that of which behaviours are natural and which are acquired/the result of our environment. For example, adultery is common place, and most people would agree that men are polygamous by nature and so it is natural for, at least, the man, to cheat. However, this has not stopped some states from criminalizing adultery. Would you say adultery is unnatural because it has been made a crime in some parts of the world?

5minsmadness:


I'm simply trying to follow the logic you put forward sir.
Pedophiles can't help being pedophiles just as homosexuals can't help being homosexuals.
It's not up to 30yrs ago that homosexuality was viewed as a sexual illness and a crime even in the US. But that stand was overturned to accept the more sexual liberal way of life we see everywhere nowadays. So maybe they should do the same for pedophiles as well. Lower the age of consent to 5yrs or 10yrs if you prefer so they can carry out their desires uninhibited. Abi u want pedophiles to remain celibate? Are they not human beings too?