Emusan:


Whether Abraham TITHE is voluntary or not is not the point I brought out from that scripture. Remember what I said before you and @koolking quoted my post was UNTIL YOU'RE ALSO ABLE TO SHOW US WHERE JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES CANCELLED TITHES and both of you pointed to Hebrew 7:18 which I went ahead to show you people this particular verse wasn't talking about disannulling of tithe.

@bolded-where did I twist anything on that passage?

So if there is no record of tithe in early Church is not my point here, my point is the statement I made before you people quoted my post.

So I'm still expecting you people to show me where TITHING was cancelled in the Bible.

As i said ealier your interpretation of that passage is twisted cause if you read it in proper context you would have seen that the commandment that was anulled is the commandment to collect tithes. The only commandment that was mentioned in that passage prior to the instruction to anull the commandment was the commandment to tithe mentioned in verse 5. That aside some tithe merchants have argued that it was the Law that was being anulled, my response is that if that's the case tithing was part of the law so that means tithing still stands anulled especially as it was stated as part of the law earlier in the passage. And please stop referring to the illogical argument that Abraham tithed before the law because that just doesn't hold any water as a reason why Christians should tithe today. That type of reasoning is at best manipulative as there is nowhere in scriptures christians are asked to emulate the example of Abraham and if you want to argue this i can list at least five uncomplimentary things said about Abraham in scriptures which you would condemn if a christian should emulate it today. So just don't go there.

My biblical interpretation is right and yours is wrong!

SOME SHOCKING TRUTHS ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN TITHING DOCTRINE

1] Abraham NEVER tithes on his own property or livestock .

2] Jacob wouldnt tithe until God blessed him first.

3] Only Levite priests could collect tithes, and THERE ARE NO Levite priests today .

4] ONLY Food products from the land were tithable.

5] MONEY WAS NEVER A Tithable commodity.

6] Christian converts were NEVER asked to tithe.

7] the Apostles finance themselves by WORKING WITH THEIR OWN HANDS TO EARN A LIVING NOT Through TITHING

Emusan:
What I see as the major point in you people’s post is the emphasis on verse 11, 12 & 18.
@Koolking says I should read from verse 11-18 and @Pastorkun says I should start from verse 5 so that I can understand the FULL CONTEXT of the passage but I will like us to start from verse 1 so that we can both understand the FULL CONTEXT of the passage. In fact I so much love how @koolking interpreted that verse 11 as quoted “begins to draw a contrast between levitical priesthood being imperfect and the need for another priesthood in the pattern or order of Melchizedek and no longer after the order of Aaron.” BUT I disagree with your concluded part “This means that, TITHING which was one of the LAWS governing levitical priesthood was also change.” The reason why I disagree with it is that, TITHING predated the LAW and the laws was ONLY a regulation on who have right to collect TITHE which was later placed at Levi TRIBE.

Now back to the analysis of Hebrew 7:1-18
NOTE: The Bible verse will appear in color

Verse 1-3, was about the attributes of Melchizedek and the blessing he placed upon Abraham before Abraham paid Tithe of all to him: “This Melchizedek was king of the city of Salem and also a priest of God Most High. When Abraham was returning home after winning a great battle against the kings, Melchizedek met him and blessed him. Then Abraham took a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek. The name Melchizedek means “king of justice,” and king of Salem means “king of peace.” There is no record of his father or mother or any of his ancestors—no beginning or end to his life. He remains a priest forever, resembling the Son of God.”

Verse 4, emphasized on how the great Abraham could RECOGNISE the greatness of Melchizedek the unknown priest: “Consider then how great this Melchizedek was. Even Abraham, the great patriarch of Israel, recognized this by giving him a tenth of what he had taken in battle.”

Verse 5, is about how the priesthood was placed in the tribe of Levi who are the descendant of Abraham to collect Tithe NOT that Tithe was established through them: “Now the law of Moses required that the priests, who are descendants of Levi, must collect a tithe from the rest of the people of Israel, who are also descendants of Abraham.”

Verse 6, emphasized on how Melchizedek who had not his ORIGIN in Abraham or his linage could collect TITHE from Abraham himself whom even the linage of PRIESTS who collected tithe was placed: ”But Melchizedek, who was not a descendant of Levi, collected a tenth from Abraham. And Melchizedek placed a blessing upon Abraham, the one who had already received the promises of God.”

Verse 7 -8, point out that, Melchizedek has POWER to bless as he blessed Abraham which means he is far greater than Abraham, and most importantly the Levitical priest are just human as they die and another priest is being raised to continue in collection of TITHE but Melchizedek LIVES forever which means his own collection of tithe continues: “And without question, the person who has the power to give a blessing is greater than the one who is blessed. The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on.”

Verse 9-10, these verses made it clear that even the CHOSEN Levite priests who collected tithe ALSO paying tithe indirectly to Melchizedek as a result of what Abraham did: “In addition, we might even say that these Levites—the ones who collect the tithe—paid a tithe to Melchizedek when their ancestor Abraham paid a tithe to him. For although Levi wasn’t born yet, the seed from which he came was in Abraham’s body when Melchizedek collected the tithe from him.”

Verse 11, though this verse needs an in-depth attention because without that, verse 12 couldn’t be understood. The main point here is that, the LAWS which is to govern who can collect Tithe, how Tithe should be collected and what to Tithe was based on the PRIESTHOOD of LEVI this is more evident since TITHING predated the govern laws and not that TITHING was established the very day the law was given: “So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron?” So here a new priesthood needs to be established in the ORDER of Melchizedek who LIVES forever.

Verse 12, with what we understood from verse 11 above on how the LAW was BASED on the PRIESTHOOD, so since the priesthood must be change; that is, changing from mortal men priests to immortal man priest, the law THAT BASED this PRIESTHOOD on LEVI TRIBE MUST also changes because this new immortal man priest won’t come from the tribe of Levi: [color=brown]“And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it.” This is more reinforced in verse 13.

Verse 13-14, since the law had placed PRIESTHOOD on Levi tribe and the new PRIEST who never comes from this tribe MUST replaced the mortal men priests then the law who established the Levitical PRIESTHOOD must also change: “For the priest we are talking about belongs to a different tribe, whose members have never served at the altar as priests. What I mean is, our Lord came from the tribe of Judah, and Moses never mentioned priests coming from that tribe.”

Verse 15, now that a new priest had arrived in the ORDER of Melchizedek.
1) The mortal Levitcal priests always chosen according to the law has been dissolved which means we’re no longer having a priest chosen in the law.

2) And since the new immortal priest in the ORDER of Melchizedek who collected Tithe and lives forever has appeared then TITHING continues: “This change has been made very clear since a different priest, who is like Melchizedek, has appeared.”

Verse 16, shows that Jesus as a new priest wasn’t qualified to be the priest if we should follow the requirement of the law as He did not come from Levi tribe: “Jesus became a priest, not by meeting the physical requirement of belonging to the tribe of Levi, but by the power of a life that cannot be destroyed.”

Verse 17, And the psalmist pointed this out when he prophesied, “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”

Verse 18, this is the crucial part. It was the REQUIREMENT of chosen the PRIESTHOOD that was set aside/disannulled not TITHING itself. “Yes, the old requirement about the priesthood was set aside because it was weak and useless.” This requirement must set aside since the NEW priest isn’t going to come from Levi TRIBE.

(Though I need not to read into the word of God here because it was not only REQUIREMENT about the priesthood that was set aside, as we later read from the scriptures that some other things were set aside as well which one also PREDATED the day the office of the priests were established i.e BURNT OFFERRING but according to this verse it is only “the requirement of chosen priest that disannulled” which is the main point the writer wants to bring out by considering the preceding verse 16.)

If you’re not being paying TITHE consider these:
1) The mortal men priests have been change to an immortal man priest in the ORDER of Melchizedek.
2) One of the rites performed by Melchizedek is that he collected TITHE from Abraham even when the Levitical priesthood has not been set up.
3) So TITHING never cancelled according to this chapter rather there's an immortal priest who had replaced the mortal men priest in the ORDER of Melchizedek.

All quotations are from New Living Translation (NLT)

Quite brilliant commentary you had up there, but you still did not convince me on the tenability of tithing in the new covenant.
The annulling of the Levitical priesthood cancelled tithing and other laws emanating from that imperfect priesthood.

If you are saying, it was the priestly order ONLY that was annulled and not the accompanying laws, my question is: why is burnt offering not in practice today but only the adulterated version of tithing? Why is modern day tithing a monthly monetary subscription and not yearly/ triennial tithing in crops and livestock commanded by the same law?

It is imperative to note that neither Jesus nor the Apostles collected or preached about tithe. Therefore, tithing is irrelevant in the Priestly order of our Lord Jesus Christ.

To help you understand better, you may wish to reference your Encyclopedia history – Tithes in Christendom – only then would you realize how tithe crept to the church after many centuries of non-existence.

Respect

brocab:
Don't forget the sacrificing?
Those three went together, you can't have one without the others.

which bible you read?

Koolking:


Hebrews 7:18. "For there is verily a DISANNULLING of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof". This is the verse that CANCELS tithing in the New Testament under the covenant of Grace of our Lord Jesus.

can you explain the weakness and unprofitableness in the context of the verse?
please read verse 17 first.

You being a JW I suppose we are reading different bibles?

shyna01:

which bible you read?

shyna01:

can you explain the weakness and unprofitableness in the context of the verse?
please read verse 17 first.

The imperfection of the law renders it useless.

Here in New American Standard version - For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness

PastorKun:


Paying tithes of money from income is also not reflected in scriptures.

can you explain Leviticus 27:30-32

Koolking:


The imperfection of the law renders it useless.

Here in New American Standard version - For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness

I'm sorry but please what is this imperfection of the law? it seems we have two interpretations to said verse.

brocab:
You being a JW I suppose we are reading different bibles?

who told you I'm a JW?........

Emusan:


Whether Abraham TITHE is voluntary or not is not the point I brought out from that scripture. Remember what I said before you and @koolking quoted my post was UNTIL YOU'RE ALSO ABLE TO SHOW US WHERE JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES CANCELLED TITHES and both of you pointed to Hebrew 7:18 which I went ahead to show you people this particular verse wasn't talking about disannulling of tithe.

@bolded-where did I twist anything on that passage?

So if there is no record of tithe in early Church is not my point here, my point is the statement I made before you people quoted my post.

So I'm still expecting you people to show me where TITHING was cancelled in the Bible.

If the tithe was commandment to the Levitical priesthood, and you said it was the priesthood that was disanulled, then does the tithe still remain?

Here's the thing, the Levi that the tithe commandment to be given were disanulled, it therefore means the tithe itself was disannulled along with. There is no legitimate explanation that the commandment to take tithe was disannulled but the tithe remains.

The priesthood and law by which perfection could not come, are done away. A new Priest is risen and a dispensation now set up, by which true believers may be made perfect. The law which made the Levitical priesthood, showed that the priests were imperfect, frail. The better covenant brought the church and every believer into clearer light, more perfect liberty, and more abundant privileges.

In the order of Aaron there was a multitude of priests, of high priests one after another; but in the priesthood of Christ there is only one and the same. This is the believer's safety and happiness that this everlasting High Priest is able to save to the uttermost in all cases. Surely then it becomes us to desire a spirituality and holiness, as much beyond those of the Old Testament believers, as our advantages exceed theirs in the New Covenant.

shyna01:

I'm sorry but please what is this imperfection of the law? it seems we have two interpretations to said verse.

Please refer to my explanation ^above (quoting Emusan), paragraph 2 & 3.

davien:
My biblical interpretation is right and yours is wrong!

And yet an Atheist is concerned about that?

Maamin:


And yet an Atheist is concerned about that?

Haha....even better when mockery is confused for concern....I guess some folks are too slow to get what some smileys mean.

davien:
Haha....even better when mockery is confused for concern....I guess some folks are too slow to get what some smileys mean.

And you followed the thread up to it second page..

Nice mockery..really nice

Maamin:


And you followed the thread up to it second page..

Nice mockery..really nice

So a response in the second page alone means I followed everything?
And it would seem that reading two pages is an extraordinary feet to you, no wonder you still believe in talking donkeys and snakes...lol

You did say we read different bibles-I read the KJV, which bible do you read, that don't read the sacrificing tithing and offerings went together in the old testament, so if you are choosing to tithe at least do it right the way God said to do it?
Don't separate tithing or offerings from sacrificing, those 3 came together every year-do it the way God said to do it.
And the JW''s bible don't follow after the truth.
So are you a JW?

shyna01:

who told you I'm a JW?........

davien:
So a response in the second page alone means I followed everything?
And it would seem that reading two pages is an extraordinary feet to you, no wonder you still believe in talking donkeys and snakes...lol

Should I take that as a mockery too?

Koolking:
Quite brilliant commentary you had up there, but you still did not convince me on the tenability of tithing in the new covenant.

Thanks for your compliment.

The annulling of the Levitical priesthood cancelled tithing and other laws emanating from that imperfect priesthood.

This part is still where confusion lies, but let me put it this way this time maybe you can get my point.

The LAW only recognized Levi tribe to be performing some tasks unto God which TITHE is among but this LAW that placed this AUTHORITY on Levi ONLY must be change since THE NEW PRIEST won't come from that tribe.

So it was the LAW that ALLOWED ONLY Levi to be PRIEST that was disannulled which means another PRIEST must arise and this priest must not come FROM Levi tribe.

If you are saying, [size=14pt]it was the priestly order ONLY that was annulled and not the accompanying laws,[/size] my question is: why is burnt offering not in practice today but only the adulterated version of tithing? Why is modern day tithing a monthly monetary subscription and not yearly/ triennial tithing in crops and livestock commanded by the same law?

@bolded-The LAW or REQUIREMENT is "ONLY Levi tribe can become PRIEST in Israel"
While the task to perform as a PRIEST are: 1) Collection of Tithes, 2) Burnt Offering, 3) Sacrifice for Atonement of sin both theirs and the Israelite.

Please don't confuse the LAW with the task to perform in the office.

Remember this from my earlier post "Though I need not to read into the word of God here because it was not only REQUIREMENT about the priesthood that was set aside, as we later read from the scriptures that some other things were set aside as well which one also PREDATED the day the office of the priests were established i.e BURNT OFFERRING..."

It is imperative to note that neither Jesus nor the Apostles collected or preached about tithe. Therefore, tithing is irrelevant in the Priestly order of our Lord Jesus Christ.

To help you understand better, you may wish to reference your Encyclopedia history – Tithes in Christendom – only then would you realize how tithe crept to the church after many centuries of non-existence.

Respect

At least Jesus had the opportunity to openly condemn Tithe but He didn't.

Of course, not only that Tithe crept to the church some centuries of non-existence, remember the 66 books you carry today was not arranged by Jesus nor the Apostles not after many centuries of non-compilation.

Emusan:


Thanks for your compliment.



This part is still where confusion lies, but let me put it this way this time maybe you can get my point.

The LAW only recognized Levi tribe to be performing some tasks unto God which TITHE is among but this LAW that placed this AUTHORITY on Levi ONLY must be change since THE NEW PRIEST won't come from that tribe.

So it was the LAW that ALLOWED ONLY Levi to be PRIEST that was disannulled which means another PRIEST must arise and this priest must not come FROM Levi tribe.



@bolded-The LAW or REQUIREMENT is "ONLY Levi tribe can become PRIEST in Israel"
While the task to perform as a PRIEST are: 1) Collection of Tithes, 2) Burnt Offering, 3) Sacrifice for Atonement of sin both theirs and the Israelite.

Please don't confuse the LAW with the task to perform in the office.

Remember this from my earlier post "Though I need not to read into the word of God here because it was not only REQUIREMENT about the priesthood that was set aside, as we later read from the scriptures that some other things were set aside as well which one also PREDATED the day the office of the priests were established i.e BURNT OFFERRING..."



At least Jesus had the opportunity to openly condemn Tithe but He didn't.

Of course, not only that Tithe crept to the church some centuries of non-existence, remember the 66 books you carry today was not arranged by Jesus nor the Apostles not after many centuries of non-compilation.

Methinks your mind is made up as a pro-tithe. We will go on and on without a valid statement from you to support tithing in the new covenant. It was a bit of a relief to note that you consciously conceded that "some things like burn offering was set aside. It will be out of place and rather illogical annulling an order due to its imperfection and uselessness and yet allow only one of the commandments or what you termed as tasks - tithe to continue.

With your argument, was considering how you would explain to a non-Christian Hebrews 7 vs 5, 11-13: “And those descendants of Levites who are priests are commanded by the law to collect one tenth from the people of Israel, that is from their own countrymen even though their countrymen are also descendants of Abraham.”

Let's jump to verses 11-13 : “It was on the basis of the Levitical priesthood that the law was given to the people of Israel. Now, if the work of the Levitical priests had been perfect there would be no need for a different kind of priest to appear, one who is in the priestly order of Melchizedek not of Aaron. For when the priesthood is changed, there also has to be a change in the law. And our Lord of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe of Judah and Moses did not mention his tribe when he spoke of priests.”

The above passage is self-explanatory and it states clearly the relationship between the Levitical priesthood and the law given to the priest. Note the bold statements above. In vs 5, we were told that one of the laws given to the Levi priests was to collect tithe. In vs 12, we were told that when the Levitical order was changed, the law also changed. Vs 13, went on to expunge us in the new covenant from the Leviticus laws of tithing as we belong to the order of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your comments. We are learning

Koolking:


Methinks your mind is made up as a pro-tithe. We will go on and on without a valid statement from you to support tithing in the new covenant. It was a bit of a relief to note that you consciously conceded that "some things like burn offering was set aside. It will be out of place and rather illogical annulling an order due to its imperfection and uselessness and yet allow only one of the commandments or what you termed as tasks - tithe to continue.

With your argument, was considering how you would explain to a non-Christian Hebrews 7 vs 5, 11-13: “And those descendants of Levites who are priests are commanded by the law to collect one tenth from the people of Israel, that is from their own countrymen even though their countrymen are also descendants of Abraham.”

Let's jump to verses 11-13 : “It was on the basis of the Levitical priesthood that the law was given to the people of Israel. Now, if the work of the Levitical priests had been perfect there would be no need for a different kind of priest to appear, one who is in the priestly order of Melchizedek not of Aaron. For when the priesthood is changed, there also has to be a change in the law. And our Lord of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe of Judah and Moses did not mention his tribe when he spoke of priests.”

The above passage is self-explanatory and it states clearly the relationship between the Levitical priesthood and the law given to the priest. Note the bold statements above. In vs 5, we were told that one of the laws given to the Levi priests was to collect tithe. In vs 12, we were told that when the Levitical order was changed, the law also changed. Vs 13, went on to expunge us in the new covenant from the Leviticus laws of tithing as we belong to the order of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your comments. We are learning

Absolutely brilliant submission. The bolded closes all arguments on the matter except one wants to deliberately rebel against scriptures.

brocab:
Listen to all who tithe.
Us non tithers are not against you because you tithe, our argument is "how you tithe".

Our argument is more on the fact, how it took one man to change bible history in seconds, and it took God 6 days to create the heavens & the earth and everything in it.

The bible took years to write, and it took that time for each verse to line up with scriptures, from Old testament to the New testament, in prefect order as the Lord had written it "Himself."

Everything God had written in the bible, was given to us so we could learn about Him and His Son, we have a choice to either believe in Him and obey His written word, or we don't believe.

This argument is not just about tithing-it's about how you believers are choosing to tithe, and your kind of tithing does not line up with the word of God.
It's not scriptural.

From the Pharisees to the pastors until this day, the tithing messages have been twisted & turned: far from the truth-this false doctrine has taken you further away from any truth the Lord has written.
You are working against the word of God.

It was the Lord who had giving us warning about changing any word written in the bible.

You are walking on a very fine line I must say:

Revelation 22:18-19, "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away-his part from the book of life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

If you aren't sure how the bible is written-Pray to the Lord, ask Him to guide your way to the truth and the life in Jesus name.
The truth will set you free.

If you insist on tithing the way God had commanded the Jews to do, then at least do it as it's written.
Malcahi 3:8-10, bring all your tithes into the store house that there may be food for my house, And prove Me now in this," Say's the Lord of host.

1 Timothy 5:22 The Lord say's don't share in other people's sins, keep yourself pure.
Stealing is a sin & twisting and changing the words of this book, for financial Gain, is another sin, you are robbing God, what you do to us, you do to Him.

1 Timothy 6: men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is the means of Gaining money.
From such withdraw yourselves.

Amen

Let me at this moment ask you about Malachi you just quoted. You know He said "bring all your tithes into the store house that there may be food for my house, and prove Me now in this". So how do you suggest that tithes be paid. Since God Himself has commanded that bring all your tithes into the store house.

Mod, move to FP

Koolking:
Mod, move to FP

Hmm .... TWO EDGE SWORD ! " for when the priesthood is changed , the law must also change" Heb 7:12



I love ur response

Koolking:
Methinks your mind is made up as a pro-tithe. We will go on and on without a valid statement from you to support tithing in the new covenant.

@bold-Likewise there is no valid statement from you in the New Covenant that against Tithe because initially I didn't explain your OP but only quote someone who claimed that Tithe has been cancelled.

It was a bit of a relief to note that you consciously conceded that "some things like burn offering was set aside. It will be out of place and rather illogical annulling an order due to its imperfection and uselessness and yet allow only one of the commandments or what you termed as tasks - tithe to continue.

The bolded part especially @underlined statement shows that you're not yet understood the point the writer of Hebrew was making.
Let me put it this way maybe you can grab it,

1) Tithe and burnt offering predated the establishment of Levitical priesthood.
2) Sacrifice for atonement of sins was FIRST established on Levitical priesthood.

You have to know the important of all these;
*Burnt offering was performed by people of old to seek God's face which is the ONLY way of drawing near to God and first performed by Noah Gen 8:20.
*Sacrifice for atonement of sins was met for FORGIVENESS of sins and first performed on the FIRST chosen PRIESTS Exo 29:14
*TITHE was not recorded concerning anything about man's IMPERFECTION rather God Himself claimed TITHE belong to Him not as a Burnt Offering for man to seek the face of God nor like Sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins BUT what is solely HOLY unto the Lord.

So it was those things that pertain unto man for entering the holy presence of God and forgiveness of sins which can't be attained through burnt offering and sacrifice for atonement THAT WAS IMPERFECT AND USELESS.

These two imperfections (Entering holy place of God with burnt offering and atonement for sins through sacrifice) were the major reason why Jesus came because God didn't want them or please with them. This was reinforced in Hebrew chapter 10:1-22

The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. 2 If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared. 3 But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year. 4 For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 That is why, when Christ came into the world, he said to God, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings. But you have given me a body to offer. 6 You were not pleased with burnt offerings or other offerings for sin. 7 Then I said, ‘Look, I have come to do your will, O God— as is written about me in the Scriptures.’” 8 First, Christ said, “You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them” [size=14pt](though they are required by the law of Moses).[/size] 9 Then he said, “Look, I have come to do your will.” [size=14pt]He cancels the first covenant in order to put the second into effect.[/size] 10 For God’s will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time. 11 Under the old covenant, the priest stands and ministers before the altar day after day, offering the same sacrifices again and again, which can never take away sins. 12 But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time..., 14 For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy. 15 And the Holy Spirit also testifies that this is so. For he says, 16 “This is the new covenant I will make with my people on that day, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” 17 Then he says, “I will never again remember their sins and lawless deeds.” 18 And when sins have been forgiven, there is no need to offer any more sacrifices. 19 And so, dear brothers and sisters, [size=14pt]we can boldly enter heaven’s Most Holy Place because of the blood of Jesus.[/size] 20 By his death, Jesus opened a new and life-giving way through the curtain into the Most Holy Place. 21 And since we have a great High Priest who rules over God’s house, 22 let us go right into the presence of God with sincere hearts fully trusting him. For our guilty consciences have been sprinkled with Christ’s blood to make us clean, and our bodies have been washed with pure water. (Bold & underline mine) NLT

With your argument, was considering how you would explain to a non-Christian Hebrews 7 vs 5, 11-13: “And those descendants of Levites who are priests are commanded by the law to collect one tenth from the people of Israel, that is from their own countrymen even though their countrymen are also descendants of Abraham.”

Let's jump to verses 11-13 : “It was on the basis of the Levitical priesthood that the law was given to the people of Israel. Now, if the work of the Levitical priests had been perfect there would be no need for a different kind of priest to appear, one who is in the priestly order of Melchizedek not of Aaron. For when the priesthood is changed, there also has to be a change in the law. And our Lord of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe of Judah and Moses did not mention his tribe when he spoke of priests.”

The above passage is self-explanatory and it states clearly the relationship between the Levitical priesthood and the law given to the priest. Note the bold statements above. In vs 5, we were told that one of the laws given to the Levi priests was to collect tithe. In vs 12, we were told that when the Levitical order was changed, the law also changed. Vs 13, went on to expunge us in the new covenant from the Leviticus laws of tithing as we belong to the order of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your comments. We are learning

I believe I've provided my view here but you couldn't grab my point still, but what I see here is a mix up of point.

Like I said earlier when verse 12 says For when the priesthood is changed, there also has to be a change in the law does not mean THEIR TASKS IN THE OFFICE but the requirement of choosing PRIEST ONLY in the tribe of Levi this is the point the writer is bringing into light which you couldn't grab even when reading along with verse 13 "And our Lord [size=14pt]of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe of Judah and Moses did not mention his tribe when he spoke of priests.”[/size] (from the translation you used)

So it's the requirement of choosing ANOTHER TRIBE instead of that of LEVI that was CHANGE since the LAW ONLY permitted Levi tribe to be PRIEST.

Please I can't repeat myself anymore over this.

Thanks for your understand.

(Please don't mind my TYPO because I was in haze while replying your post and I couldn't reconcile verse 5 with other part)

CAPTIVATOR:


Hmm .... TWO EDGE SWORD ! " for when the priesthood is changed , the law must also change" Heb 7:12

I love ur response

Thanks sir

Emusan:


Did he say he still sacrifices animal?



Where



UNTIL YOU'RE ALSO ABLE TO SHOW US WHERE JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES CANCELLED TITHES.

Follow koolking explanation and also the 7 points raised in Captivator's post , and stop givin people unnessesary burden ..... Just Wish u guys could adhere to the apostle pauls fine example found in 1thes 2:9

" surely you remember, brothers, our labor and toil. We were WORKING NIGHT AND DAY, so that we would not put an expensive burden on any of you"

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If you are hooked on tithing then do it the way God had told you to tithe-bring your tithes {food} into the storehouse.
Tithing had nothing to do with money, back than, and tithing was a law given to the Jews, not the Gentiles or the Christians

It's only those few who have taken on that role to tithe in a un-biblical manner/ but to be honest, theirs no honour in taken monies from people.

When I am involved in ministry, I have always ask the Lord to supply my needs; I don't ask for monies and I don't receive any either from anybody.

But the Lord supplies me, he opens those doors, and he directs my path where I can go and shop without paying for the merchandise, I end up having more then enough to help support the Homeless, the needy-the Lord supplies my needs and their needs-given them warm blankets and clothing and having food in their bellies-daily.

Ask and it shall be given.

So bring all your tithes into the house of God, bring in your crop, stocks and merchandise, feed the hungry the homeless.

So its up to you?

This is the way God wanted you to tithe.

blunderass01:


Let me at this moment ask you about Malachi you just quoted. You know He said "bring all your tithes into the store house that there may be food for my house, and prove Me now in this". So how do you suggest that tithes be paid. Since God Himself has commanded that bring all your tithes into the store house.

CANTICLES:
Follow koolking explanation and also the 7 points raised in Captivator's post , and stop givin people unnessesary burden ..... Just Wish u guys could adhere to the apostle pauls fine example found in 1thes 2:9

" surely you remember, brothers, our labor and toil. We were WORKING NIGHT AND DAY, so that we would not put an expensive burden on any of you" ""

You're very funny, I should follow koolking and go against scriptures.

SMH...

I repeat WHERE WAS TITHE CANCELLED IN THE BIBLE?

Emusan:


You're very funny, I should follow koolking and go against scriptures.

SMH...

I repeat WHERE WAS TITHE CANCELLED IN THE BIBLE?

I think the onus is on you to show us were christians were instructed to tithe in the bible and explain also why you and your ilk preach tithes of money contrary to God's tithing instruction to the israelites.

Emusan:


You're very funny, I should follow koolking and go against scriptures.

SMH...

I repeat WHERE WAS TITHE CANCELLED IN THE BIBLE?

Facts have been laid bare from the Bible for you to see, but you have refused to acknowledge. However, there is no crime in being opinionated and believing in what gives one personal fulfillment. The cool fact is, tithe or no tithe, your salvation will never be taken away provided you live a righteous life.

I respect your believe Sir.