frank317:


What exactly was your God waiting for for 400 years to destroy d Canaanites knowing that they would change. Even an slowpoke would not t for for 400 years for a change that will never happen.

Besides.... Is destruction your Gods only remedy for the mankind he so created with so much love?

Ur English is really difficult to undertstand. Contain ur excitement and type properly.

Firstly I never said they changed after 400 years, they didn't. Have no idea why u said this;

frank317:


What exactly was your God waiting for for 400 years to destroy d Canaanites knowing that they would change....

If u have taken ur time to study the bible for an honest critic, u will see God is patient and Can be said to work with a timetable or a schedule.. Jesus was sent to humans at the exact time God wanted. The amorites were given enough time to change, my assumptions is that some amorites will get uncomfortable with the evil practises of their culture and migrate and hence get saved..just as millions of Muslims renounce Islam.

frank317:


Imagine.... So who are u to open threads and condemn islam .... Aint they entitled to their opinion, even if it is wrong?

I was refering to Johnny the atheist... He is entitled to say what ever he wishes, whether right or wrong...I believe he is wrong. It is left to the reader to also decide for him/herself.

I have every right to discuss Islam, Hinduism, atheism, socialism, capitalism etc , u have every right to discuss what u see in the bible, torah, quran, maxisim, communism etc


I also want to point out to u that I do more of discussing Islam than passing judgment on it. Islam condemns itself just fine.

Ifeann:


Ur English is really difficult to undertstand. Contain ur excitement and type properly.

Firstly I never said they changed after 400 years, they didn't. Have no idea why u said this;



If u have taken ur time to study the bible for an honest critic, u will see God is patient and Can be said to work with a timetable or a schedule.. Jesus was sent to humans at the exact time God wanted. The amorites were given enough time to change, my assumptions is that some amorites will get uncomfortable with the evil practises of their culture and migrate and hence get saved..just as millions of Muslims renounce Islam.

Wait a minute, i thought he already knows things before they happen?. . he must have known the ammorites will never change or is he not all knowing anymore?

And what exactly is the ammorites relationship with yahweh? Ammorites have their own deity..
Did yahweh reveal himself to the ammorites like he allegedly revealed to the jews?

Btw millions of christians turn atheistic too... imagine the irony...lol

Ifeann:


I was refering to Johnny the atheist... He is entitled to say what ever he wishes, whether right or wrong...I believe he is wrong. It is left to the reader to also decide for him/herself.

I have every right to discuss Islam, Hinduism, atheism, socialism, capitalism etc , u have every right to discuss what u see in the bible, torah, quran, maxisim, communism etc


I also want to point out to u that I do more of discussing Islam than passing judgment on it. Islam condemns itself just fine.

Lolzzz i actually like the idea of letting people decide... the thread speaks for itself..

l.

Ifeann:


Ur English is really difficult to undertstand. Contain ur excitement and type properly.

Firstly I never said they changed after 400 years, they didn't. Have no idea why u said this;



If u have taken ur time to study the bible for an honest critic, u will see God is patient and Can be said to work with a timetable or a schedule.. Jesus was sent to humans at the exact time God wanted. The amorites were given enough time to change, my assumptions is that some amorites will get uncomfortable with the evil practises of their culture and migrate and hence get saved..just as millions of Muslims renounce Islam.

It was a typo girly... Replace would with wouldnt and respond correctly

Ifeann:
Johnny I am not going to go bring out bible verses explaining what lead to those decisions. But I will give my take on the "innocent children"

Remember most theists believes that God knows our beginning and end. If God all ready knows what the children will become why won't he make his decision to end them before they become that.

the isis fighters, jihad john, Mohammed, hitler, Osama, tartar9 were once children But they grew up to be death loving people.


•Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Why creating those Children in the first place since he knew that they will turn bad in future?

johnydon22:


Btw millions of christians turn atheistic too... imagine the irony...lol

My point exactly.. Its called freewill.

Christainity is beautiful, I have no problem with ancient Jewish history.

if u feel u are better as an atheist that's ur cup of tea, u are an adult.

I find the words of Christ timeless and beautiful and I learn a lot from reading the bible.. I don't need to be frightened by hell fire, or desire riches to worship God..
I love Christs message, and sometimes counter intuitive approach to issues, his love and compassion is brilliant, his wisdom also. I look forward to serving God in spirit and in truth and bask in his glory and worship him in a higher state.

U and most atheists believe u are just a mass of cells and will become soil food after death. Its ur decision to believe this, I will invite u to Christ its left for u to reject or accept. what I won't tolerate is a totalitarian ideology which wants to behead those that don't believe in an Islamic allah.

wordcat:


Why creating those Children in the first place since he knew that they will turn bad in future?

Apparently u haven't read all my replies above.. However u have to realize that humans procreate and birth children its the natural order of things. But children are heavily influenced by nature and nurture.. Nurture which includes culture, environment, practises, and of course child absorb what they see around them..

Ifeann:


My point exactly.. Its called freewill.

Christainity is beautiful, I have no problem with ancient Jewish history.

if u feel u are better as an atheist that's ur cup of tea, u are an adult.

I find the words of Christ timeless and beautiful and I learn a lot from reading the bible.. I don't need to be frightened by hell fire, or desire riches to worship God..
I love Christs message, and sometimes counter intuitive approach to issues, his love and compassion is brilliant, his wisdom also. I look forward to serving God in spirit and in truth and bask in his glory and worship him in a higher state.

U and most atheists believe u are just a mass of cells and will become soil food after death. Its ur decision to believe this, I will invite u to Christ its left for u to reject or accept. what I won't tolerate is a totalitarian ideology which wants to behead those that don't believe in an Islamic allah.

lmao is it not funny how you cut out the upper part of my posts?...You love christ message what about yahweh's? lolzzz

Oh you are not made up of cells?

johnydon22:


And this is what justice is?
punishing children down to the fourth generation for the sins of their parents (what they have no idea about)

Hhmmm wondering why the human basic sense of justice is far better and moral that that of this barbaric jewish deity..

Honestly, even Nigerian Govt as bad as it is can't punish children down to a generation for their fathers' sins.

Buhari jailed some people up to 300yrs imprisonment WITHOUT touching their children.

Why is yahweh so mean and wicked at the same time?

wordcat:


Honestly, even Nigerian Govt as bad as it is can't punish children down to a generation for their fathers' sins.

Buhari jailed some people up to 300yrs imprisonment WITHOUT touching their children.

Why is yahweh so mean and wicked at the same time?

i wonder ooo

Ifeann:


Apparently u haven't read all my replies above.. However u have to realize that humans procreate and birth children its the natural order of things. But children are heavily influenced by nature and nurture.. Nurture which includes culture, environment, practises, and of course child absorb what they see around them..

I've read all ur replies but I must tell u that in 10 years time, if you are opportune to read them again, you will laugh out loud because by then you must see and realize how silly those replies are.

johnydon22:


lmao is it not funny how you cut out the upper part of my posts?...

Oh you are not made up of cells?

I cut it out because I am not interested in goin around in circles(if u are chose to be redundant in ur questions then I will refuse to reply) plus I am watching the news( Muslims just killed a bunch of folks in a museum at Tunisia)..multitasking.

Let's go back to what you said.

johnydon22:

Wait a minute, i thought he already knows things before they happen?. . he must have known the ammorites will never change or is he not all knowing anymore?
And what exactly is the ammorites relationship with yahweh? Ammorites have their own deity..
Did yahweh reveal himself to the ammorites like he allegedly revealed to the jews?

Yes he knew that they would not change but was patient nonetheless.. remember I have mentioned this to u in that post u said was too looong to read.. I spend time writing this, the least u can do is read it.

“Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. . . . And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites [one of the Canaanite clans] is not yet complete”(Gen. 15. 13, 16).

If u read the bible when u were a christain u will realize something, God emphasizes time. Its safe to say that God has a plan with a timetable/ schedule. U can also notice this of Jesus. He emphasized time a lot, inculding his 3 days in the tomb..so God had his reasons for the 400 year grace period perhaps to save those that rejected the wicked culture of the amorites.



Finally, yes, we are made up of "matter" eg cells, muscles etc) and a soul - which atheists reject, that's the difference..

wordcat:


I've read all ur replies but I must tell u that in 10 years time, if you are opportune to read it again, you will laugh out loud because by then you must see and realize how silly those replies are.

Perhaps in 10months u will come to realize how silly ur questions were. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. read the bible and see chain of events that led to these happenings.

Ifeann:


Read the bible and see chain of events that led to these happenings.

Chain of events designed by who?

Yahweh, Devil or the Humans at that time?

Ifeann:


I cut it out because I am not interested in goin around in circles(if u are chose to be redundant in ur questions then I will refuse to reply) plus I am watching the news( Muslims just killed a bunch of folks in a museum at Tunisia)..multitasking.

Let's go back to what you said.



[size=20]Yes he knew that they would not change but was patient nonetheless..[/size] remember I have mentioned this to u in that post u said was too looong to read.. I spend time writing this, the least u can do is read it.

“Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. . . . And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites [one of the Canaanite clans] is not yet complete”(Gen. 15. 13, 16).

If u read the bible when u were a christain u will realize something, God emphasizes time. Its safe to say that God has a plan with a timetable/ schedule. U can also notice this of Jesus. He emphasized time a lot, inculding his 3 days in the tomb..so God had his reasons for the 400 year grace period perhaps to save those that rejected the wicked culture of the amorites.



Finally, yes, we are made up of "matter" eg cells, muscles etc) and a soul - which atheists reject, that's the difference..

The enlarged is priceless..he knew they will not change but patiently waited for them to change.. woooow..

Oh now you agree you are made up of cells, atleast that is proven.. now go get us proof of this immortal soul

Btw i kinda love your evading tactise dude...

The funny thing here is... We ask a simple question, we get long copy and paste post that doesnt even asnwer the question as a reply...lolzzz

johnydon22:


The enlarged is priceless..he knew they will not change but patiently waited for them to change.. woooow..

Don't blame her. Time must surely come when she will read those her replies and laugh at how silly they are.

I've already told her that.

johnydon22:


The enlarged is priceless..he knew they will not change but patiently waited for them to change.. woooow..

Oh now you agree you are made up of cells, atleast that is proven.. now go get us proof of this immortal soul

Btw i kinda love your evading tactise dude...

Yes u bolden that portion but missed the reason I gave for God's 400 year stay of judgement. Let me repeat it..(I am getting tired of this redundancy)

ifeann:

........................If u read the bible when u were a christain u will realize something, God emphasizes time. Its safe to say that God has a plan with a timetable/ schedule. U can also notice this of Jesus. He emphasized time a lot, inculding his 3 days in the tomb..so God had his reasons for the 400 year grace period perhaps to save those that rejected the wicked culture of the amorites

Hence 2 reasons, 1. For those that could be saved are saved
And 2. a timetable.

John do u see u are not reading my posts completely, or perhaps u see just want u want to see.


U said I should get u evidence of a soul, can u get me a cell. U need to head to a lab right? Even tho we can see the human body. The same human body contains the cells we cannot see as well as the soul.

For evidence of spiritual realm u need to head to a church library?? not neccesarily... Read on..its long, perhaps boring to u but I took my time to write this and u should read it...

there are incorruptible saints In the catholic church that has baffled scientists, in addition there are several books written by even skeptics on the veracity of miracle cures, there is this particular one (I forget the name) written by a medical doctor where he documents ,I think, 10 cases of miracle healings from his own patients in instances where medical help could not improve their problems ( not the fake nonsense the greedy mushroom pastors do), I mean with xray, biopsy, lab test etc evidence, saw the interview of the author on mainstream media of all places..

There are thousands of documented cases of near death experiences that have baffled science. Even ali sina the proud atheist who is known to criticise all religion disclosed last year that after investigating the evidence, this lead him to become a theist and accept Jesus as his model- he still rejects the bible tho. I just mentioned him because I wanted to emphasise the impact the documented cases of near death experience can have on an atheist.

I will no longer reply redundant questions.

It's fair to conclude that atheists have a higher moral ground and value for human life than most Christians

Ifeann:


I don't understand why u did the copy and paste thing twice in one comment.


I as a thiest is of the view that all humans have freewill, however God is all knowing, omniscient to the point we humans may infer predestination.

I am not into philosophy and didn't pay too much attention to it in school but My opinion on this
is that if we as humans are purely predestined by an omnipotent and omniscient being then we can all be "programmed" to do Good. But freewill is what makes us do bad. Hence an omnipotent and omniscient God can tell what we will do with our freewill...this is why the bible is filled with prophecies.

Perhaps as I study this my understanding will evolve but this is my view at the moment.

I use a particularly horrible phone so couldn't edit my post.btw no i did not copy and paste from any site.Since you say have no experience in philosophy then i suggest you start quickly,help avoid situations like this.

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I dont see any reason anyone will give for hurting children. They are innocent.

opeyemiolu:
I dont see any reason anyone will give for hurting children. They are innocent.

But people are here trying to justify it..

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