our problem is HATRED FOR ONE ANOTHER and country ( we don't like to discuss this ) .. confusion of religion and country development ..i.e. we are telling and asking God to do what he as empowered us to do and we are doing what God said he will do .
with all our noise and so called EDUCATION ,it is sad there is no black nation with basic infrastructure where people can come and settle and have a normal basic life due to lack of basic infrastructure , the black that do have these infrastructure ..only the black elites have access to them ...

may be it a genetic disorder ...

Fulaman198:


That sellout wasn't even a true Fulani, he's just another Maccudo. There is a reason why we consider ourselves the most beautiful people in the world. We are just too proud. There is no denial in my statements. They are all fact, don't want to admit it? Ask another Fulani person. As simple as that. If you don't want to accept my honesty then oh well.

Hehehe.

Well, I don tire for this discussion. Believe what you will. Makes no difference in our predicaments anyway!

Fulaman198:


Do you Fufu brains even read?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4pJTaiev8k

The education has always been in Africa.

Unlike Gao, Timbuktu is not mentioned by the early Arab geographers such as al-Bakri and al-Idrisi.[20] The first mention is by the Moroccan traveler Ibn Battuta who visited both Timbuktu and Kabara in 1353 when returning from a stay in the capital of the Mali Empire.[21] Timbuktu was still relatively unimportant and Battuta quickly moved on to Gao. At the time both Timbuktu and Gao formed part of the Mali Empire. A century and a half later, in around 1510, Leo Africanus visited Timbuktu. He gave a description of the town in his Descrittione dell'Africa which was published in 1550.[22] The original Italian was translated into a number of other languages and the book became widely known in Europe.[

Fake information Timbuktu had no university the oldest Universities in Afrika are Fes in Marocco and the university of kairo which is the oldest University in africa

When timbuktu was mentioned there where many Universities in Europa so please stop fake information, at that time Europa has more than 20 Universities

totima:


Africa is only plagued by cowardice, laziness, weakness of mind and a fear of confronting the unknown.

This is why we are comfortable with religion and superstition. We simply can't be bothered to take on uncertainties to uncover truths.

How much has fear of questioning things inhibited us from challenging authority, seeking out alternatives?

Why do you want to challenge leaders and seek alternative ? Are leaders inventors ? This is also a chief problem. Did Mark Zuggerberg need George Bush to code facebook scripts ?

nora544:


Unlike Gao, Timbuktu is not mentioned by the early Arab geographers such as al-Bakri and al-Idrisi.[20] The first mention is by the Moroccan traveler Ibn Battuta who visited both Timbuktu and Kabara in 1353 when returning from a stay in the capital of the Mali Empire.[21] Timbuktu was still relatively unimportant and Battuta quickly moved on to Gao. At the time both Timbuktu and Gao formed part of the Mali Empire. A century and a half later, in around 1510, Leo Africanus visited Timbuktu. He gave a description of the town in his Descrittione dell'Africa which was published in 1550.[22] The original Italian was translated into a number of other languages and the book became widely known in Europe.[

Fake information Timbuktu had no university the oldest Universities in Afrika are Fes in Marocco and the university of kairo which is the oldest University in africa

When timbuktu was mentioned there where many Universities in Europa so please stop fake information, at that time Europa has more than 20 Universities

You Fufus and your inferiority complex. Did you even watch the video? Remain inferior!

Billyonaire:
Why do you want to challenge leaders and seek alternative ? Are leaders inventors ? This is also a chief problem. Did Mark Zuggerberg need George Bush to code facebook scripts ?

Authority in my case doesn't necessarily mean leaders but any form of establishment - including ideas.

>We were handed over has a birthday gift to the king of portugal.
>During the 15 to 19 century we were exploited by the europeans, forcefully taken from our continent in large numbers across the atlantic ocean as slaves..
> Psycologically we were made to believe that africa had no history even when artifacts gotten from the soil of africa said otherwise.
>Also that africa was from the debris of human race. We were made to believe that we were inferior!
>Though our past kings of old and great empires out of greed encouraged slave trade by starting inter-tribal wars.
>After the abolition of slave trade by britian in 1804 which we all thought was a act of kindess and the establishment of LEGITIMATE TRADE
, little did we know that we were delving into another era of exploitation; with our palm produce, cotton, groundnut etc being expoted back to europe and other part of the new world.
>With these few factors, how do you expect africa to be developed.
BUT!, I HAVE A DREAM that one day africa shall come to her full potential. Who are we!!!
>The second largest continent in the world!
>The home of a unique race with a unique color (black)
>The cradle of civilization!
>A land blessed with every natural resources.
God bless africa!

Fulaman198:


You Fufus and your inferiority complex. Did you even watch the video? Remain inferior!

you have a complex

where you finde the name of timbuktu on this list

http://collegestats.org/2009/12/top-10-oldest-universities-in-the-world-ancient-colleges/b

University of Al-KaraouineUniversity of Al-Karaouine: Located in Fes, Morocco, this university originally was a mosque founded in 859 by Fatima al-Fihri, a woman. It developed into one of the leading universities for natural sciences. It wasn’t until 1957 that the university added mathematics, physics, chemistry and foreign languages. This university is considered the oldest continuously-operating degree-granting university in the world by the Guiness Book of World Records.
Al-Azhar UniversityAl-Azhar University: This university, located in Egypt, is the world’s second oldest surviving degree-granting institute. Founded in 970-972, this university serves as a center for Arabic literature and Sunni Islamic learning. Al-Azhar university concentrates upon a religious syllabus, which pays special attention to the Quranic sciences and traditions of the Prophet Muhammad on the one hand, while also teaching all modern fields of science.
Nizam al-MulkNizamiyya: This series of universities was established by Khwaja Nizam al-Mulk in the eleventh century in what is now present-day Iran. The most celebrated of all the Nizamiyya schools is Al-Nizamiyya of Baghdad, established in 1065 in Dhu’l Qa’da and that remains operational in Isfahan. But, this was just one of many Nizamiyyah schools — others were located in Nishapur, Amul, Mosul, Herat, Damascus, and Basra. The Nizamiyya schools served as a model for future universities in the region, and al-Mulk often is seen as responsible for a new era of brilliance which caused his schools to eclipse all other contemporary learning institutions.
University of Bologna University of Bologna: This university was the first higher-learning institute established in the Western world in 1088. The term, “university,” was coined at its creation. Located in Bologna, Italy, this university led the Western world in educational innovations until the period between the two World Wars. At that time, leaders called upon the university to forge relationships with institutions in more advanced countries to modernize and re-invigorate its educational philosophies. This university met the call and, today, is considered a leader in the European university system.
[b]University of Paris University of Paris: [/b]This university’s exact founding is unclear; however, teaching from this university existed since 1096. The university was reorganized as 13 autonomous universities in 1970. Often referred to as the Sorbonne after the College de Sorbonne (founded about 1257), this institute grew up in the latter part of the twelfth century around Notre Dame Cathedral as a corporation centered on the fields of arts, medicine, law and theology. In 1968 the cultural revolution commonly known as “the French May” resulted in the closing of the university for only the third time in history. The first occasion was in 1229, and the second was due to the invasion by the German army of 1940.

this are the five oldest universities in the world and please show me where you find timbuktu

In the kitchen and farm

because, at one time, our rules were perfect. 100% perfect. by immitating the foreigners, we became what we now are today. if we should drop other people's idealogy, we will grow back within a very short time. we were never into blind religion as it is now.

emmatok:


The common trend among developed countries, is the ability to to question their rules, tradition, cultures and leaders.
But africans just follow these rules, tradition, cultures and leaders.

Lets stop consoling ourselves with this histories.
The fact is that, the world is living africa behind. Few decades ago, it was hunger in Asia, Africa, and latin America.
But today, millions of europeans are emigrating to latin America and parts of asia to settle, that is growth and development.
Look at countries like malaysia, singapo, thailand india, brazil, etc were in thesame level with nigeria few yrs ago, but today look at where they are, and where are.

Take a look at sub sahara africa, No, electricity, no roads, no security, no infrastructures, no health care, no social servics, our cities are slums, no planning.

Infact the is a problem with being black.
I feel deeply ashamed of Africa.

iiiyyyk:
Lets stop consoling ourselves with this histories.
The fact is that, the world is living africa behind. Few decades ago, it was hunger in Asia, Africa, and latin America.
But today, millions of europeans are emigrating to latin America and parts of asia to settle, that is growth and development.
Look at countries like malaysia, singapo, thailand india, brazil, etc were in thesame level with nigeria few yrs ago, but today look at where they are, and where are.

Take a look at sub sahara africa, No, electricity, no roads, no security, no infrastructures, no health care, no social servics, our cities are slums, no planning.

Infact the is a problem with being black.
I feel deeply ashamed of Africa.

sorry what a fake information, europeans didnot emigrating in millions to this countries it is the other way.

please read how many people try to cross the see from africa to europa

gbemi514:
if u wud rememba it's only 2 countries in africa dat wasn't colonized wc wz ethiopia n liberia n dere wz no civilization in doze 2 countries...........n d main purpose of d europeans is 2 suck d africans dry cos dey knw africa is very rich in natural resources bt itwz a pity dat we were ignorant of dese resources den

You cannot be serious with that statement, while you was running around in your huts, and many Northern European was doing likewise, Ethiopians were doing this.




[img]http://www.imagick.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Lalibela.jpg[/img]










[img]http://3.bp..com/-2LHarpLkIOo/VKQqNsCbuSI/AAAAAAAAGyc/IqzJLZ43DpQ/s1600/StGeorgeAndTheDragon1a.jpg[/img]



Ethiopia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Orthodox_Tewahedo_Church



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJfbtupcGbs

ebiagtales:




There are three of them: Ham(Canaan), Shem and Japheth. Noah cursed Ham, but not the other two. So, the probability that we belong to Ham is high.

However, I have added Abra to my own Ham, so I am now a descendant of AbraHam

Ham is not the same as Canaan. Una get bible make una dey read am. Canaan is Ham's son. Genesis chapter 9 has everything u need to know. Make una no dey make excuse for Blackman. Blackman himself is his own curse. His consumer mentality for everything foreign is his own undoing.

The manipulation of the white people's media is working on you. The whites are moving into latin america and asia because they have with their hands toxicate their environment. Coming to africa will mean their quick death if you know what i mean, and eventually they will die off.
There can't be two kings, we gave them time to do whatever it is that their mind can concieve, we learnt what we needed from it, and now, they must leave the command, they were never on the throne, we are not that stupid.

iiiyyyk:
Lets stop consoling ourselves with this histories.
The fact is that, the world is living africa behind. Few decades ago, it was hunger in Asia, Africa, and latin America.
But today, millions of europeans are emigrating to latin America and parts of asia to settle, that is growth and development.
Look at countries like malaysia, singapo, thailand india, brazil, etc were in thesame level with nigeria few yrs ago, but today look at where they are, and where are.

Take a look at sub sahara africa, No, electricity, no roads, no security, no infrastructures, no health care, no social servics, our cities are slums, no planning.

Infact the is a problem with being black.
I feel deeply ashamed of Africa.

any political scientist in here?....it is however essential to note that Africa developed at its own pace before the advent of the Europeans. ...they came first and pillaged Africa through slave trade. ...and the Labour power of Africa continued to drastically reduce..."according to Marxian political economy"human Labour is the key element that sets the means of production in motion....and since this was reduced. ..the development of Africa was reduced to d background. ....the Europeans abolished slave trade.,.because of their own interests. ...and with the expansion of capitalism on a worldwide scale....imperialism came into existence. ......hence the Europeans Sat down in the berlin conference of 1884/85. to decide on which part of Africa to steal....whence began colonialism. .....even after colonialism. .,,Europeans still continued to pillage us....through neocolonism .....and there is a theory called the dependency theory ....(read about that from google).....THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN....theorist lyk ragna nurks posit that Africa and the ldc's underdevelopment are as a result of THE vicious circle of poverty. ..that is...we produce so little, earn so little, save so little,invest so little and produce so little..also w.w rowstows theory of modernization posits that Africa is at the manifestation of a lower stage of development. and that the reality of today's developed world is showing the less developed one's THE image of their own future in this regard w.w. rowstows subsequently expantiated five stages of development. ....OTHER liberal theorist also posit that Africa. would not have developed@ all if not for d advent of Europeans....recommend readings...try reading Walter rodneys book on how Europe underdeveloped africa...and try reading about the Marxian political economy

WHY BLAMING EUROPEANS FOR AFRICAN PREDICAMENT ,BLAME AFRICANS LEADERS AND THIER BRAINLESS FOLLOWERS.
A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS WHAT IS GOING ON IN PRESENT DAY NIGERIA.No continent would continue with this trend and make any meaningful development or growth if you like fast and pray for the next 1000years.We should stop this deception first.

vfactor:


Ham is not the same as Canaan. Una get bible make una dey read am. Canaan is Ham's son. Genesis chapter 9 has everything u need to know. Make una no dey make excuse for Blackman. Blackman himself is his own curse. His consumer mentality for everything foreign is his own undoing.

Canaan is Ham's son, accepted. Just like saying Oke Imesi is Ekiti son since Oke imesi is in Ekiti. So what we are saying here is that after God destroyed the world with flood, only three lineage remains: Ham, Shem and Japheth.

So out of the three, Africa must be one.
Ham>>>Canaan>>>and so on.

ebiagtales:


Canaan is Ham's son, accepted. Just like saying Oke Imesi is Ekiti son since Oke imesi is in Ekiti. So what we are saying here is that after God destroyed the world with flood, only three lineage remains: Ham, Shem and Japheth.

So out of the three, Africa must be one.
Ham>>>Canaan>>>and so on.

Ham had 4 sons, one of which was Cush. Cush fathered Raamah and some other sons. Raamah father Sheba and others. U recall Sheba (yeah, queen of Sheba)? Its in Africa, Ethiopia or somewhere close. So no body cursed Africa.

What are you doing now to salvage the situation, or amend the past?

I read through this thread, and I see that no one has been able to really situate the problem of Negro backwardness in the best perspective.
One thing has been established, the Negroes were once a great race, a race of pioneering, knowledgeable and intelligent people who contributed in no small measure to the civilization of the world.

I insist on using the word Negroes because even on this thread, it has been established that there are two principal groups or races (maybe more) of black people in Africa- the Negroes, and the Aborigines.

The Aboriginals of Africa, the true owners of Africa do not suffer the lack of self esteem and self pride that the Negro suffers, this is evidenced by the contributions of Fulaman198 a Fulani, and Axum, a Somali. You cannot subjugate a man in his father's house.

Negroes do not belong to Africa, and their history is also quite obscured. Negroes claim to be Africans but in essence and in reality, Negroes are not Africans, Negroes do not belong to Africa.

Negroes are Asiatic men.

If the history of the Negroes, atleast that part of it that is well known, tells us that these race of people contributed in no small measure to world advancement and development, and today this same race of people occupy a most backward and contemptuous position in the global scheme of things, who then, logically, would the Bible be referring to here;

Malachi 2:9
9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

Isaiah 29:14
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Ponder.

bushdoc9919:
Basic reason why we are not developed is because we are a resource depenedent society. We prefer to sell our resources and use the cash to buy things from the West.

I think we have to learn from Japan and China...and realise that self sufficiency is the way forward.

This has touched upon a very important point. Take oil for an example - was Nigeria blessed by it or cursed?

Why does a nation which PRODUCES oil have petrol shortages?
Why does Nigeria not have a fleet of tankers but hires off everyone else?
Why does it have the vast majority of its oil refined elsewhere?

And why everybody is scrambling to get a job in the Oil and Gas sector what happen to the SUSTAINABLE sector of the economy (remember Oil & Gas are FINITE resources).

Nigeria was once much more productive agriculturally.
Now it cannot feed itself and must import food.

Of course in the global economy today TOTAL self sufficiency is not really possible (at least for any nation aspiring to have a decent standard of living for its citizens) BUT a very large measure of that self sufficiency is not only possible but desirable.

I heard last year of initiatives to discourage foreign fish being imported and to stimulate and encourage indigenous fish farms.

I have no information or knowledge on how successful or otherwise that effort was but hope it was successful! If it was then its another small step to proper SUSTAINABLE development!

The question should be where is Africa in the the 21st century? Even with Microsoft and apple magics that can catapult an inquisitive mind to Mars in an instant,we still can not afford to provide clean water for our children,talk less of food.

We should stop living in the past and face the moment so that we will have a credible history and precedence to leave for the future generations. This is our time,it is all we got and at the moment we are not making the best of it as a people. We are playing the foools because we refuse to learn.

Blackkie:
I love some black people for the fact that they cannot reason for themselves.
If Europe is more developed than Africa, tell me any monument on planet earth that is intellectually developed like the pyramids of Egypt.

Are you saying Africa is more developed than Europe then? Infrastructure etc is somewhat more important than ancient tombs.

KoloOyinbo:


Are you saying Africa is more developed than Europe then? Infrastructure etc is somewhat more important than ancient tombs.

but old buildings and ancient tombs will bring tourist in the country when the infrastructure is good and this could help to get more jobs.

Look how many countries in europa live from their old buildings and the tourist who come and visit the countries!

nora544:


but old buildings and ancient tombs will bring tourist in the country when the infrastructure is good and this could help to get more jobs.

Look how many countries in europa live from their old buildings and the tourist who come and visit the countries!

Tourism is bigger in Europe than in Egypt. Not that it was the point of the thread nor indeed WHY the ancient civilizations built them.

If Nigeria sorts out its problems (corruption, superstition and stability/security) it could well be a great tourist magnet!

The potential is certainly there, I have seen it, a rich culture and history. When that is developed (and have NO DOUBT it will be) then that will be a more sustainable revenue stream than finite oil/gas and the added benefit that much (most?) the revenue will go directly to the average Nigerian rather than to big business with the average 'man in the street' having to wait for the crumbs that fall from the oga's table.

Sorry if this is a big 'off topic' but I feel strongly about it. A few ago I visited Badagry and even though there were no festivals or events at that time I still had a WONDERFUL day. It could easily be developed and I am aware that people are working hard to do just that - as we say in Ireland - 'More power to yer wee wheel'!

Defcon1:

For my part,l don't really believe Europe under-developed Africa

Has anyone really thought about how primitive,uncivilized and barbaric Africa would have been if the Europeans did not come

We have all heard about the koma people of ?Adamawa,as well as the primitive tribes in the Amazon rainforests...how their isolated settlements cut them off from contact with the Europeans, and hence civilization.

Granted, Europe plundered Africa,but the civilization they brought was one of the best things to happen to Africa.

South Africa is this developed because the Europeans lasted much longer before independence.

History did not start from when we were born. Not 1960 nor 18th century. History is study of events from creation to the present. Do you know that technology and modernisation started from Egypt (Africa) before the romans and britian fought them and picked their best brains whicg they exploited to reamain more established as world powers? My brother study that book and get enlightened.

GodMode:


You mean religion not christianity...

Africans were atheists who believed in themselves.

so u mean the whites brought religion to africa?, africans has always had a pantheon of gods and deities they honoured..... atheism started as a matter of fact in europe in the 17th century

i no blame u sha, after spending not less than 10yrs of your life in a "pro - european" school and going through rigorous brainwashing that insinuates that your race is inferior, you still choose to believe that your ancestors had no brains, it was the christian missionaries that blessed him with one! how pathetic!!!



Oh ye black man. Brainwashed into believing he is inferior. Echoing racial subjugation cliches purposefully orchestrated to mentally subjugate him as inferior.

The europeans never abolish slave trade, i don't think they still have. They abolished atlantic slave trade (transportation of slaves across the ocean), they had to abolish it for their own interest just like you have said, what is that interest? They discovered more resources in Africa. Thus the abolishment of atlantic slave trade gave birth to a new slave market, colonization which means enslaving the negroes on their own homeland. we are still in slavery, if not for mechanization, we will by now still be in the mines or the field. Which begs the question "who invented industrilization?" THE BLACK PEOPLE..
Do not ask why we didn't make weapon? that answer is quiet easy.

chuksisaac:
any political scientist in here?....it is however essential to note that Africa developed at its own pace before the advent of the Europeans. ...they came first and pillaged Africa through slave trade. ...and the Labour power of Africa continued to drastically reduce..."according to Marxian political economy"human Labour is the key element that sets the means of production in motion....and since this was reduced. ..the development of Africa was reduced to d background. ....the Europeans abolished slave trade.,.because of their own interests. ...and with the expansion of capitalism on a worldwide scale....imperialism came into existence. ......hence the Europeans Sat down in the berlin conference of 1884/85. to decide on which part of Africa to steal....whence began colonialism. .....even after colonialism. .,,Europeans still continued to pillage us....through neocolonism .....and there is a theory called the dependency theory ....(read about that from google).....THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN....theorist lyk ragna nurks posit that Africa and the ldc's underdevelopment are as a result of THE vicious circle of poverty. ..that is...we produce so little, earn so little, save so little,invest so little and produce so little..also w.w rowstows theory of modernization posits that Africa is at the manifestation of a lower stage of development. and that the reality of today's developed world is showing the less developed one's THE image of their own future in this regard w.w. rowstows subsequently expantiated five stages of development. ....OTHER liberal theorist also posit that Africa. would not have developed@ all if not for d advent of Europeans....recommend readings...try reading Walter rodneys book on how Europe underdeveloped africa...and try reading about the Marxian political economy

MrPresident1:
I read through this thread, and I see that no one has been able to really situate the problem of Negro backwardness in the best perspective.
One thing has been established, the Negroes were once a great race, a race of pioneering, knowledgeable and intelligent people who contributed in no small measure to the civilization of the world.

I insist on using the word Negroes because even on this thread, it has been established that there are two principal groups or races (maybe more) of black people in Africa- the Negroes, and the Aborigines.

The Aboriginals of Africa, the true owners of Africa do not suffer the lack of self esteem and self pride that the Negro suffers, this is evidenced by the contributions of Fulaman198 a Fulani, and Axum, a Somali. You cannot subjugate a man in his father's house.

Negroes do not belong to Africa, and their history is also quite obscured. Negroes claim to be Africans but in essence and in reality, Negroes are not Africans, Negroes do not belong to Africa.

Negroes are Asiatic men.

If the history of the Negroes, atleast that part of it that is well known, tells us that these race of people contributed in no small measure to world advancement and development, and today this same race of people occupy a most backward and contemptuous position in the global scheme of things, who then, logically, would the Bible be referring to here;

Malachi 2:9
9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

Isaiah 29:14
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Ponder.

If Bantus in West Africa are Asian, than I do not know what Somalis/Ethiopians who are less than 20 miles from Asia (the middle east) are?

MisterG:


You cannot be serious with that statement, while you was running around in your huts, and many Northern European was doing likewise, Ethiopians were doing this.




[img]http://www.imagick.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Lalibela.jpg[/img]










[img]http://3.bp..com/-2LHarpLkIOo/VKQqNsCbuSI/AAAAAAAAGyc/IqzJLZ43DpQ/s1600/StGeorgeAndTheDragon1a.jpg[/img]



Ethiopia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Orthodox_Tewahedo_Church



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJfbtupcGbs

Honestly these pictures are a bit underwhelming. I expected more for such an antiquated people.

It could be lack of funds in maintaining their historical monuments though.