@giles14 I see U.............

bidexiii:
@giles14 I see U.............

oga boss Na wetin I do

rugged7:


If Jonathan didn't buy any weapons then what magnitude of firepower was seized from the military bases

Pray tell, where did I write Jonathan never bought any weapons?
The issue here's how so much money was possible for hardware buying and how little was bought.
The budget for the Airforce over the last few years should have us flying a healthy bunch of fighter fixed wing and rotary assets. Yet we got 2 more alpha jets and more helicopters in 4 years.

I'm not sure why you're so pained on this issue. Are you for the army or you're just another political jobber with bits of interest in military issues still pained Jonathan got kicked. I'll call out Jonathan just as I'd call out Buhari in aspects like this.

Buhari, if he doesn't fix up would get kicked out by 2019 for all I care. Besides that, it's only early days, let's see what comes of Buhari's acquisition.


Sorry Bidexiii, your thread got derailed a bit.

Bros, i am waiting...
But you all still didn't answer my questions.
I am not a hater of buhari. I dislike Jonathan just as much.
I will be the 1st to ask that military officers who embezzled money should get a bullet in the head.
BUT, too much subterfuge, innuendo, lies, deceit and perfidy going on right now.
I am tired
My last take and then i will shut up.
When white people start praising and clapping for an African leader...
Be very very Wary...
I will now shut up.
I still hail ur good work Oga Bidexiii

bidexiii:


You wait and see the the procurement coming up...not some rusty-72.
My only pain is those bokos will not be able to taste the wrath of those machines...?

BlackBaron:

Pray tell, where did I write Jonathan never bought any weapons?
The issue here's how so much money was possible for hardware buying and how little was bought.
The budget for the Airforce over the last few years should have us flying a healthy bunch of fighter fixed wing and rotary assets. Yet we got 2 more alpha jets and more helicopters in 4 years.

I'm not sure why you're so pained on this issue. Are you for the army or you're just another political jobber with bits of interest in military issues still pained Jonathan got kicked. I'll call out Jonathan just as I'd call out Buhari in aspects like this.

Buhari, if he doesn't fix up would get kicked out by 2019 for all I care. Besides that, it's only early days, let's see what comes of Buhari's acquisition.


Sorry Bidexiii, your thread got derailed a bit.

How much was released by the ministry of finance for acquisition of assets?

Henry240:


How much was released by the ministry of finance for acquisition of assets?

spot on,I am not in support of corruption but wen accusing someone hav ur facts.

Honestly let's be sincere with ourselves.....

And with our wealth of knowledge on military issues, should with not av modern MBT's, IFV's, 3rd/4th gen jets in our inventory!!! I mean let's call a spade a spade... these military chiefs, advisers & ministers r thieves, point blank ....

R u telling me that these people do not embezzle funds meant for military procurement.

@henry ; $2.1 billion was released to fight BH, apart from the normal annual military budget.

Henry240:


How much was released by the ministry of finance for acquisition of assets?

Where or what r u driving at..........?

THESE HIS TRAGIC............

#BATTLE FIELD PICTURES.......

bidexiii:
THESE HIS TRAGIC............

Are these official issues? This is as good as wearing a turban. No protection whatsoever.

bidexiii:
Honestly let's be sincere with ourselves.....

And with our wealth of knowledge on military issues, should with not av modern MBT's, IFV's, 3rd/4th gen jets in our inventory!!! I mean let's call a spade a spade... these military chiefs, advisers & ministers r thieves, point blank ....

R u telling me that these people do not embezzle funds meant for military procurement.

@henry ; $2.1 billion was released to fight BH, apart from the normal annual military budget.

well calling a spade a spad shouldn't be based on dem say theory.u are still citing $2.1b wen d new govt says it's $15b leave all does story.if u want to fight corruption let dem do it and stop making excuses.


even d former late NSA his house in Lagos should be called to question.

bidexiii:
THESE HIS TRAGIC............

looks like a shoot from a sniper

bidexiii:
Honestly let's be sincere with ourselves.....

And with our wealth of knowledge on military issues, should with not av modern MBT's, IFV's, 3rd/4th gen jets in our inventory!!! I mean let's call a spade a spade... these military chiefs, advisers & ministers r thieves, point blank ....

R u telling me that these people do not embezzle funds meant for military procurement.

@henry ; $2.1 billion was released to fight BH, apart from the normal annual military budget.

Where is your evidence?

giles14:
spot on,I am not in support of corruption but wen accusing someone hav ur facts.

It isn't a difficult question.

Henry240:

It isn't a difficult question.

atal we Nigerian enjoy it most,giving sentence without finding the accused guilty

It was a through n through. More like putting an ordinary sack to stop a bullet traveling at the speed of sound!

bidexiii:
THESE HIS TRAGIC............

Hope no one was wearing it during the shot.

If you want to know how much was budgeted, I'd wish there were copies of the defence budget one could reference.
Budgit only has one of the past 5 years available for Jonathan's.

2012's budget for defence and security then was a colossal $6 billion (of course included salaries and overheads for all)
2013-2014 saw very little by way of set aside funds for defence procurement. However it included procurement for 6 Mil 35s and activation of L39 fighter jets. Despite that, 2014 was the year Arthur Eze got ousted for a crazily inflated deal to get cobra choppers which got cancelled. Same 2014 was the year an extra $1 billion was mooted for hardware procurement by Jonathan in the wake of BH's attacks then.

2012 ~ $6 billion
2013 ~ $2+ billion
2014 ~ $2+ billion (+$1 billion extra budgetary allocation for hardware procurement)
2015 ~ don't know the figures

These figures includes salaries and more including budgets for all other expenses.

BlackBaron:
If you want to know how much was budgeted, I'd wish there were copies of the defence budget one could reference.
Budgit only has one of the past 5 years available for Jonathan's.

2012's budget for defence and security then was a colossal $6 billion (of course included salaries and overheads for all)
2013-2014 saw very little by way of set aside funds for defence procurement. However it included procurement for 6 Mil 35s and activation of L39 fighter jets. Despite that, 2014 was the year Arthur Eze got ousted for a crazily inflated deal to get cobra choppers which got cancelled. Same 2014 was the year an extra $1 billion was mooted for hardware procurement by Jonathan in the wake of BH's attacks then.

2015

2012 ~ $6 billion
2013 ~ $2+ billion
2014 ~ $2+ billion (+$1 billion extra budgetary allocation for hardware procurement)
2015 ~ don't know the figures

You keep brandishing figures about, while likely hoping that somehow they would turn out right.


However, you've made a lot of comments but have unfortunately said nothing.


The question still remains, how much was released by the ministry of finance to the ONSA or Defence ministry?

Henry240:


You keep brandishing figures about, while likely hoping that somehow they would turn out right.


However, you've made a lot of comments but have unfortunately said nothing.


The question still remains, how much was released by the ministry of finance to the ONSA or Defence ministry?

And I'll know that because I signed the cheques?

Onus is on you to prove they didn't receive no or little of what was budgeted for

Henry240:


Where is your evidence?

The evidence is that some of those he mentioned have returned money they got from the loot. Even the 1 that collected money for spiritual prayers. If the $2.1 billion was a scam, EFCC wouldn't have retrieved anything from anyone.

BlackBaron:


And I'll know that because I signed the cheques?

Onus is on you to prove they didn't receive no or little of what was budgeted for

You are making claims you can't prove, yet are comfortable dolling out figures.


When you accuse Mr A of theft, you should provide all the evidence you have against Mr A.

It is outright lunatic to accuse Mr A of theft, then go on to say he should provide evidence that he didn't receive the full funds. When you, the accuser haven't even been able to proof that you gave Mr A all requested sum.


I can't say you stole 1,000 naira i asked you to keep for me, when i can't even proof that i even gave you 1,000 naira in the first place.

iblawi:

The evidence is that some of those he mentioned have returned money they got from the loot. Even the 1 that collected money for spiritual prayers. If the $2.1 billion was a scam, EFCC wouldn't have retrieved anything from anyone.

So, why don't you show common evidence of $2.1 billion, why is this so difficult?


People returning money equals $2.1 billion?


I'm not saying there is no looted fund, or mismanaged fund, I'm asking you to provide evidence that $2.1 billion was. released, stolen and mismanaged.

Henry240:

You are making claims you can't prove, yet are comfortable dolling out figures.
When you accuse Mr A of theft, you should provide all the evidence you have against Mr A.
It is outright lunatic to accuse Mr A of theft, then go on to say he should provide evidence that he didn't receive the full funds. When you, the accuser haven't even been able to proof that you gave Mr A all requested sum.
I can't say you stole 1,000 naira i asked you to keep for me, when i can't even proof that i even gave you 1,000 naira in the first place.

Oh great!
Now I've heard it all...

Was expecting better retorts to be honest.
My initial question was 'why the previous government was lax'... Goal posts got moved to how about what Mr Buhari bought and now to prove how much was given to them by ONSA or Finance Ministry (so a case can be proven against them)

Pilfering of liquid funds 'allocated' is what we are talking about here. I don't belong to the crew of $2.1 billion embezzlement believers. Rather I'm all for knowing the percentage of released funds that got utilised for the actual purpose it was meant for.
Sir, by all means...Since you asked me a question, I'm guessing you know, please reel out what got released and got used.

Simples.

olapluto:

Are these official issues? This is as good as wearing a turban. No protection whatsoever.

That's a standard ballistic helmet; definitely it was hit by an HMG/AA (20mm or larger rounds of ammo).

giles14:
well calling a spade a spad shouldn't be based on dem say theory.u are still citing $2.1b wen d new govt says it's $15b leave all does story.if u want to fight corruption let dem do it and stop making excuses.


even d former late NSA his house in Lagos should be called to question.

Why do u always deviate to economic issues.

You r right obanikoro should also be behind bars. Trust the thieves left the country immediately buhari was sworn in. Trust be me he can run forever. Jonathan should also be questioned also becos he should av monitored the money, so it will be judiciously spent.

Now u r talking.......

Henry240:


Where is your evidence?

You r tye most funniest dude.

Can u be arrested on what u did not collect from someone?

Henry240:


So, why don't you show common evidence of $2.1 billion, why is this so difficult?


People returning money equals $2.1 billion?


I'm not saying there is no looted fund, or mismanaged fund, I'm asking you to provide evidence that $2.1 billion was. released, stolen and mismanaged.

What evidence did you want henry, cos I don't understand the "so called evidence" u r asking for.........?

Those military chiefs, NSA adviser, minster and other top politicians over did it, they would av procured better equipment then influence the price.

But these time around they just diverted 70-80 % of tye money to private account, the evidence is there use ur Google. The only painful thing is that they will sweep it under the carpet and nigerians will forget the whole issue.

Amosun hehe former CAS has being cooperating returning some stolen funds, while the CDS badeh is still doing "strong head".

The only military chief that is to some extent clean is the COAS minimah.

BlackBaron:

Oh great!
Now I've heard it all...

Was expecting better retorts to be honest.
My initial question was 'why the previous government was lax'... Goal posts got moved to how about what Mr Buhari bought and now to prove how much was given to them by ONSA or Finance Ministry (so a case can be proven against them)

Pilfering of liquid funds 'allocated' is what we are talking about here. I don't belong to the crew of $2.1 billion embezzlement believers. Rather I'm all for knowing the percentage of released funds that got utilised for the actual purpose it was meant for.
Sir, by all means...Since you asked me a question, I'm guessing you know, please reel out what got released and got used.

Simples.

True "yarn" mate.........

bidexiii:


You r tye most funniest dude.

Can u be arrested on what u did not collect from someone?

oga bidexii....dz matter no go end if u keep quoting oga henry...I see oga henry calling a spade a hand trowel or a shovel walahi
it still beats my understanding on d point he is driving at

Odunayaw:
oga bidexii....dz matter no go end if u keep quoting oga henry...I see oga henry calling a spade a hand trowel or a shovel walahi
it still beats my understanding on d point he is driving at

Mate u r right.......

AFSF IN RUSSIA RAPELLING FROM A MIL MI-17