lucabrasi:

i hear you sir you have spoken sensibly,its even in the bible that judge not lest thou be judged,
@nuzo
good for you!!however im not trying to make anyone come round to my way of thinking but highlighting something that isnt right
@ARMCHAIR CRITICS
why dont you lead the fight to yobe,after all you are nigerians and yobe is part of nigeria and we will all follow you istead of cyber revolution from billions of kilometres away!

nuzo:

Must all Nigerians be subjected to the believes of religious fanatics?
Are all Nigerians binding to the rules in the bible, koran, sango or the nigerian constitution? Which one?

Kobojunkie:

What does the Bible have to do with this one again? I don't ever know the Bible ever saying that we should not prosecute people who commit crimes and that our forgiveness gets them into Heaven. Is this all so you can claim yet another brownie point or something? @Lucabrasi. You seriously are willing to lie of the bible so you can claim a brownie point on this even when it has been pointed out to you over and over that you are going on and on about what was never said by the same? Come on!! How low will you not go?

must_a_far:

Lucabrasi, ok fine we wont talk ill of the passed governor.

but what do you have to say to his brother being upgraded to deputy governor. is that what the constitution says?

Kobojunkie:

I understand what you mean @Must_a_far. I noticed that this seems to have been made all about his death,and out of fear, some here have been able to ABSOLVE the man of his sins against his own people while he was alive. lol. I am just against the fear-mongering that continues to paralyze us as a nation. Most all these fears are baseless and need to be condemned!

chidichris:

Lucabrassi,
in govt, we say, the voice of the people is the voice of God. the bible said, whatever we bind here on earth is bind there in heaven so i don't know what the qoran says.
if our rulers kill people on daily basis with their wicked policies, if they cause deaths on our roads because of lack of care, if we die daily on hunger because of their selfishness, we will have no option than to celebrate on the day of the death. are u saying ppl will not rejoice over the news of mugabe's'assuming that happens now? were u in nigeria when abacha died? celebration galore.
for anyone who is holding us captive, his death will mean freedom and freedom comes with celebration so no appologies.
it is generally believed and accepted that 99.9999% of nigerian rulers are public enemies so whenever one is off, we celebrate his exit.
if you are their agent, tell them to turn to a new leaf to avoid us celebrating their exit and saying evil things against them.

sashbaby:

you finally replied.your statement confirms my speculation.no dissenting forces so it is an act of GOD

modumanga:

Allah ya gafartawa mamman. All muslims and christian are solicited to forgive mamman for all his misdeeds while alive. This would facilitate his enterance to the highest of Paradise.
Please brothers forgive mamman.

LUCABRASI !!!! To err is human and to forgive is divine. I still maintain my position that mamman Ali ia a saint and has served the people of Yobe State positively. If he has committed any wrong during his lifetime, let every body forgive him for the sake of the wonders he performed. This statement remains and have no apology to any critic. QED.

lucabrasi:

im sure you will agree with me that they r both two separate issues, its obviously wrong to have done that,as you have pointed out,its not in the constitution , however i imagine it was done to assuage the man's supporters/state indegene,its obvious there ll be a lot of grief in the air and if he was much loved then it is in the interest of security and calming frayed nerves to replace him,with someone mutually acceptable,the deputy governor has the power to impose himself with the support of the state reps but the fact that he didint do that and allowed a mere civil servant to be his boss,a lucrative position at that shows the measure of love and respect they have for the man even at death, wouldn't you agree?especially in a Nigerian political situation where people will kill to ascend the governorship seat.

lucabrasi:

lie that we are forbidden to judge others?

lucabrasi:

what dyu mean lie,arnt you taking this a bit personal??

lucabrasi:

what exactly has been pointed out to me,that its ok to slag a dead man off?and i wasnt going on and on,all i was doing was reply comments specifically directed at me or my comments so what r you on about

lucabrasi:

I m sure you will agree with me that they r both two separate issues, its obviously wrong to have done that,as you have pointed out,its not in the constitution , however i imagine it was done to assuage the man's supporters/state indegene,

lucabrasi:

arnt we ahead of ourselves here?we are yet to see or hear any news of the man's corruption or bad deeds yet you arte here going on about the man's alledged sins against his people.
what sins are these specifically? bearing in mind nobody is perfect. where are the written evidence,even speculations?even sahara reports is ok?
yet there is fear mongering,you are here making yourself judge,jury and executioner over a man you barely know or his works in his state.

must_a_far:

Lucabrasi, did u say it was done to pacify his supporters. this is not a case of him being murdered by his opponent. he exited this world when his time was due. so this ur argument u sued to support the actions of the state get as he be. if we have a constitution, we have electoral laws, then him being made deputy is nothing but CORRUPTION!

Kobojunkie:

I am going to guess you are going off the verse that says, “Judge Not, lest though be Judged”. Not sure how that verse FORBIDS you from judging or even tells you never to judge. If you read the verses that followed, you will note that you are told to be ready to be judged by the same measure that you judge others. So I see no reason why, if you are not guilty of the same, you should be FORBIDDEN to judge.

Kobojunkie:



Another problem with this mindset is that the same Bible tells you that you are to Judge all things, and to judge righteous judgment. The Same Bible also calls you to make sure to stand afar from those who are doing evil deeds. How will you know them if you are FORBIDDEN to judge them as doers of evil? You are also told in the same Bible that if you see people committing sins against others, and you choose to turn the other way, you are just as guilty as those who you choose to turn away from and the Lord will judge you for that.

Kobojunkie:





Again, please learn your own Bible and stop injecting some verses into debates (debates that have absolutely nothing to do with such) when it is convenient for your brownie points collecting.

Kobojunkie:







Unfortunately, I do take it personal when I find people lying and twisting the bible in forums that have nothing to do with religion, so they can seem intelligent in the eyes of those that know not.

Kobojunkie:





No one, NOT A SINGLE SOUL on here, BUT YOU, has chosen to go ON AND ON AND ON about SLAGGING A DEAD MAN OFF. I am afraid all that lives in your mind and you will have to carry on that debate with yourself. When you choose to actually read what people post on here, then maybe you will be on the same page everyone has been for the past 2 pages. So many people have tried up till now to correct you on that but you choose to go on and on there and I am afraid I can not help you.

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Kobojunkie:

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Interesting how you base your arguments on an assumption made by you, and then conclude that to be a fact. Are you kidding me?



Are you sure I am the one jumping ahead of self? That YOU have not heard of his ALLEGED sins against his people does not mean they do not exist.

no,im not kidding you and i never held any part of my comments up as fact,any objective mind reading my comments to that effect will have easily discewrned that,but i guess i shouldnt be suprised seeing as that is what you have conditioned your mind to already, talk about pre-judging people

yes and untill we get proof that the man was as bad as you have touted or inffered him to be,will it kill you to simply drop a simple unbiased comment or condolense?just a suggestion and not a command o

Kobojunkie:









The post was focused more on the issue of absolving him ANY SINS HE MAY HAVE COMMITTED AGAINST HIS PEOPLE, that he may enter heaven. Not sure why the other poster there would ask us in here to FORGIVE him to he may GET INTO HEAVEN if there ARE NO SINS and you come in to affirm his demand. Are you sure you are not denying something here yourself? For one you tell him that he has spoken sensibly, and then you try to inject the bible as if it backs that statement in some way( which it does not), and now you turn around to ask me of the sins? Are you awake?

What sins? I ought to ask you that since you affirmed the beliefs of the other poster who urged us to forgive the man that his soul may enter heaven. Or were you BLINDLY affirming that post?

how would a post or poster absolve any man,woman or animal for that matter of sins when he is neither GOD or a religious cleric??lol

in case you dont get what the guy is saying,he is simply saying that irrespective of whatever the man might have done, i.e the man's alledged sin not an issue because he is dead.
he is saying even if the man is holy or not is not important,at this point simple!!
in burials with religious tints,it is popularly intoned that GOD will forgive the dead either he/she was holy/unholy, im suprised you dont know this why your inffered knowledge of the bible.
so what exactly will affirming demand do one way or another?
will it either send him to heaven or hell?
will your comments either positive or negative make any difference to where ever the man is going or is now?

food for thoughts,
the poster spoke very sensibly by asking for a dead man not to be judged,thank GOD he added the quranic verse backing his comment,and i added the bible verse backing the same point,so what are you on?show me where he doesnt back the point up without going round in circles like you r in your retort.

and yes i am awake,you should be asking yourself that,and im asking you again

on what grounds have you pre-judged the man of wrong doing?where is or are your evidence??

no,i wasnt blindling affirming his post,unlike you,he is not pre-judging,i.e he is being impartial which has been my stance, i never said the man was holy,all i said was he shouldnt be abused because he is dead and cant defend himself e.t.c so who is blindly subjective here,
me calling for him not to be abused due to the fact that
1.there is no evidence yet
2.he is dead and cant defend himself
3.because my bible tells me so

or you
1.having already judged and found him guilty of being a criminal
2.passing negative comments about him even though you have no shred of evidence to that effect
3.even tacitly blaming the man for daring to go abroad for treatment and not the hospital he was alleged to have built in his state as if that was a sin

so who is blindly sibjective of us both?lol

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Oh yeah!!! The “nobody is perfect” line. I hope you know that does not live in the Bible? Also, if you really believed that, why do you continue to cast down others for making mistakes? I have seen you cast down some of Nigerias leaders and even the west for mistakes made. Why not apply that same rule when you JUDGE those? Let me guess? It only should be applied when it is convenient?

Since when did Sahara reports become the only source of SINS committed by governors in Nigeria? You mean his soul will be judged by the sins record by sahara reports too? Lol

B.O.S.S.:

Lucabrasi,
try and reduce the spacing of the above post please.

sashbaby:

lucrabasi why do yoy keep repeating yourself.no body is talking ill of a dead man.what your so called naysayers are saying try to leave a good legacy.people are really tired of govt policies so they sidon look.am sure people from yobe are practicing the sidon look syndrome.what will they gain if they protest and nothing comes out of it.most times they are been told that is the will of GOD in their place of worship.

sashbaby:

who told you the oppostion are in support.pls highlight one good legacy he left behind.am really sick and tired of your baseless comments filled with sentiments.people like you made this thread boring.pls travel to yobe.

lucabrasi:

whats spacing got to do with anything?you can read them clear enough cant you?so forget about presentation, dont let me erroneously assume that you are throwing a side pass in support of your friend o

B.O.S.S.:


Cold? Say that to the families whom he's denied justice as a result of his ineffictive governance in rehabilitating the hospitals in his state while he used the funds belonging to the millions of citizens whom he's meant to be responsible for in treating himself abroad. I'm surely not saying he deserves it but that's how the cookie crumbles I'm afraid.

Yes, I still maintain what I called him Madman Bello. I concur with the post above and that is good riddance to "one less rogue".

I bet in your closet, you're praying for Sanni Abacha and the likes of our evil political robbers in the name of them being dead not thinking that he (Abacha) had the opportunity to pass through this world but once and he failed woefully.

B.O.S.S.:


Cold? Say that to the families whom he's denied justice as a result of his ineffictive governance in rehabilitating the hospitals in his state while he used the funds belonging to the millions of citizens whom he's meant to be responsible for in treating himself abroad. I'm surely not saying he deserves it but that's how the cookie crumbles I'm afraid.

Yes, I still maintain what I called him Madman Bello. I concur with the post above and that is good riddance to "one less rogue".

I bet in your closet, you're praying for Sanni Abacha and the likes of our evil political robbers in the name of them being dead not thinking that he (Abacha) had the opportunity to pass through this world but once and he failed woefully.