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Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 9:57pm On Apr 15, 2015
Just as Immanuel is another name for Jesus, Michael is also a pre-human name for Christ. So EVERYTHING said of Christ is also said of Immanuel and Michael. Whether we use the name Michael or Jesus we are speaking of the same individual.

Now, comparison of Biblical statements lead to the reasonable and logical conclusion that Michael was Christ's heavenly name.

The term "archangel" means "chief angel," or "principal angel." It occurs in the Bible only in the singular which indicates that there is only one. Michael is the only one ever called "archangel."

1.) Only two names are associated with authority over angels: Michael (Rev.12:7) and Jesus Christ (Mat.16:27; 25:31; 2Thes.1:7). Michael leads the angels to defeat Satan and hurl him to earth (Re 12:7). Christ leads that heavenly army of angels and conducts God's war. (Re 19:13,19).

2.) At 1Thes. 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as that of an archangel. The Greek grammar demands that the voice is Christ's, not that he is accompanied by the voice. In every biblical occurrence of this idiom it is always describing the voice of the subject (Lk. 4:33; Rev 5:2; 7:2; 10:3; 14:7,9,15,18; 19:17, Ac 7:60). If Christ were not the Archangel, describing his voice in this way would be like describing a man's voice as a mouse's; highly demeaning and disrespectful. Only the single archangel has the voice of the archangel. Hence, this prophecy gives strong reason for identifying Jesus as the archangel, Michael.

3.) Only one voice can command the dead to rise in the coming resurrection. This authority has been given to the Christ by his Father (Jn.5:25,26). But it is the voice of the archangel that raises the dead during the resurrection. (1Thes. 4:16; cf Dan.12:2). Since only the voice of Christ can raise the dead at the time of the end, and this voice is the voice of an archangel, it is only reasonable to conclude that Christ must be the Archangel.

4.) In Daniel chapter 7, there is a prophecy about the march of world powers to the end-time. At the climax of that prophecy we read that Christ was "given rulership and dignity and kingdom" (Dan.7:13, 14). Then Daniel foretold that during "the time of the end" *Michael* will "stand up" (Dan.10:13;11:40; 12:1). Michael's "standing" indicates a ruling capacity and thus supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since only Jesus is Jehovah's appointed King.

Hence, in the climax of one prophecy, Jesus becomes a king in the end-time. In the other prophecy, Michael exercises kingly power in the end-time. Since both prophecies deal with the same time and the same event, it is reasonable to conclude that they are also dealing with the same person.

5.) Michael's "standing up" was to be associated with an unprecedented "time of distress" (Dan.12:1). The same tribulation is mentioned in Mt.24:21 in regard to Christ's "presence" in kingdom power. Then the book of Revelation (12:7,10,12) specifically mentions Michael as acting at the establishment of God's Kingdom and links this event to extreme trouble for the earth. The correlation of the timing and actions of Michael and Jesus are difficult to ignore.

6.) Finally, Satan is abyssed by an "angel" for a thousand years. (Rev.20:1, 2, 10) However, when Christ was on earth, the demons identified him as the one who was to hurl them into the "abyss" (Mt 8:29). Then Jesus is the one prophesied to crush Satan's head (Gen.3:15; 1Jn 3:cool, yet it is the conquering Michael with "his angels" referred to in Revelation 12 as conquering Satan (Ps. 110:1, 2; Acts 2:34, 35).


All the above shows that Michael is repeatedly said to be at the same place as the Christ during the same time period doing the same unique thing as the Christ, but is never seen with the Christ! Kinda like Clark Kent and Superman. This argues that Jesus and Michael are the same, since they both command God's army, the heavenly host of angels.

Because of the solid scriptural evidence that Michael is Christ, most early "church fathers" and many Trinitarian scholars from different religious denominations have agreed that Michael is one of the names of the Christ, including most early Protestants Scholars.

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Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by otipoju(m): 10:02pm On Apr 15, 2015
Michael is not Christ and will never become the Son of God.

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Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Nobody: 10:02pm On Apr 15, 2015
This issue will be dealt with another day. Ain`t gat time for this now.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by emmysoftyou: 10:12pm On Apr 15, 2015
things of the world of form re beyong the general thought of a man..

Things that re realist correspond to what we know..
But for such case it s hard to comprehend and ascertained the true knowledge of things..
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by otipoju(m): 10:16pm On Apr 15, 2015
As beautiful as your arguments sound they become suspect when you consider that

1. Angels do not receive worship from men simply because they were also created beings. As a Celestian I worship Jesus but do not worship Angel Michael.

2. Angels are ministering servants of God, in fact Michaels function is clearly defined as protector and defender of the saints of God and is therefore a warrior angel. Jesus is the Son of God...the word of the Father who proceeds from him and is eternal and equal with the Father for this reason.

3. For the remission of the sins of men, an angel no matter how chiefly could and never would be sufficient.

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Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Nobody: 10:29pm On Apr 15, 2015
Interesting, make I park well. BRB cool
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by skylane: 10:33pm On Apr 15, 2015
May God forgive you! Micheal is a servant of God,he's under christ.his the chief angel,his made from fire and light! But we are made in the image of God, so my friend read ur bible
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 11:03pm On Apr 15, 2015
@Biblespeaks, nice try but what you have written doesn't add up. True, Michael is an arch-angel but it is also right to say that he is NOT the only arch-angel around.There are quite a handful of arch-angels and I'll take my time to explain them to you. But take it off your mind that Jesus and Michael are one and the same.

The earliest reference to a system of seven archangels as a group appears to be in Enoch I (the Book of Enoch) which is not part of the Jewish Canon but is prevalent in the Judaic tradition, where they are named as GABRIEL, MICHAEL, RAPHAEL, URIEL, RAGUEL, REMIEL and SARAGAEL. While this book today is non-canonical in most Christian Churches, it was explicitly quoted in the New Testament (Letter of Jude 1:14-15) and by many of the early Church Fathers.

I must confess that I have no clue as to who is older between the fallen Lucifer and Michael but he is seen as the first created by God.

THE ARCH-ANGELS, NATURE and ROLES EXPLAINED

1. Michael : Meaning - "Who is like God", "Like unto God", "Who is like the Divine"
(Also known)
Beshter
Mika'il
Sabbathiel


The first Angel created by God, Michael is the leader of all the Archangels and is in charge of protection, courage, strength, truth and integrity. Michael protects us physically, emotionally and psychically. He also oversees the lightworker's life purpose. His chief function is to rid the earth and its inhabitants of the toxins associated with fear. Michael carries a flaming sword that he uses to cut through etheric cords and protects us from Satan and negative entities. When he's around you may see sparkles or flashes of bright blue or purple light. Call on Michael if you find yourself under psychic attack or if you feel you lack commitment, motivation and dedication to your beliefs, courage, direction, energy, vitality, self-esteem, worthiness. Michael helps us to realize our life's purpose and he's invaluable to lightworkers helping with protection, space clearing and spirit releasement.

Michael conquered the fallen Angel Satan, was in the Garden of Eden to teach Adam how to farm and care for his family, spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai and in 1950 he was canonized as Saint Michael, "the patron of Police Officers," because he helps with heroic deeds and bravery. Michael also has an incredible knack for fixing electrical and mechanical devices, including computers and automobiles. If your automobile breaks down, call on Michael.

Michael helps us to follow our truth without compromising our integrity and helps us to find our true natures and to be faithful to who we really are. Other times when you may find Michael helpful is when your job is too demanding with impossible deadlines to reach, when you have an addiction, if you're very ill and suffering from a degenerative disease or terminal illness and when you suffer from nightmares


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Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 11:05pm On Apr 15, 2015
2. Raphael: Meaning - "Healing power of God", "The Divine has healed", "God heals"

Also known:
Labbiel

Hebrew word rapha means "doctor" or "healer". Raphael is a powerful healer and assists with all forms of healing - humans and animals. He helps to rapidly heal body, mind and spirit if called upon, as in the biblical story of Abraham and the pain he felt after being circumcised as an adult. You may call upon Raphael in behalf of someone else, but he can't interfere with that person's free will. If they refuse spiritual treatment, it can't be forced.

The chummiest and funniest of all Angels, Raphael is often pictured chatting merrily with mortal beings. He's very sweet, loving, kind and gentle and you know that he's around when you see sparkles or flashes of green light.

Part of Raphael's healing work involves spirit releasing and space clearing. He often works with Michael to exorcise discarnate entities and escort away lower energies from people and places.

As well as a healer, Raphael is known as the "Patron of Travelers" because of his help with Tobias and his travels. Call upon Raphael when you are traveling, to assure safe travel. In addition, he assures that all your transportation, lodging and luggage details go miraculously well. Raphael also helps with inward spiritual journeys, assisting in searches for truth and guidance.

Raphael taught Tobias how to make balms and ointments from a fish which cured Tobias' father blindness. Raphael can be called upon to help healers such as doctors, therapist and surgeons. Call on Raphael if you're a student entering the healing field and you're looking for the right school and/or are in need of help with studies, as well as getting the time and money for school. He also assists with establishing healing practices when your schooling is finished. Raphael not only helps you to heal from physical, emotional and mental pain, he also heals wounds from past lives.

Other areas Raphael helps with is finding lost pets, reducing and eliminating addictions and cravings, clairvoyance, bringing unity to your life, if you feel out of touch with your spirituality, if you've lost a partner and/or your soul/body doesn't feel "whole".

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Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 11:06pm On Apr 15, 2015
3. Gabriel: Meaning - "Strength of God"; "The Divine is my strength"; "God is my strength"

Also known:
Abruel
Jibril
Jiburili
Serafili


The only Archangel depicted as female in art and literature, Gabriel is known as the "messenger" Angel and is one of the four Archangels named in Hebrew tradition and is considered one of the two highest-ranking Angels in Judeo-Christian and Islamic religious lore. Apart from Michael, she is the only Angel mentioned by name in the Old Testament. She is a powerful and strong Archangel, and those who call upon her will find themselves pushed into action that leads to beneficial results.

Gabriel can bring messages to you just as she did to Elizabeth and Mary of the impending births of their sons, John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth. If you are considering starting a family, Gabriel helps hopeful parents with conception or through the process of adopting a child.

Contact Gabriel if your third eye is closed and your spiritual vision is therefore blocked. If you wish to receive visions of Angelic guidance regarding the direction you are going in. If you wish to receive prophecies of the changes ahead. If you need help in interpreting your dreams and vision.

Gabriel helps anyone whose life purpose involves the arts or communication. She acts as a coach, inspiring and motivating artists, journalist and communicators and helping them to overcome fear and procrastination.

Gabriel also helps us to find our true calling. Ask for Gabriel's guidance if you have strayed from your soul's pathway, if you wish to understand your life plan and purpose. She can also help if you can find no reason for being or if changes are ahead and you need guidance. If you are contemplating a house move, major purchase or thinking of changing careers.

Call Gabriel if your body is full of toxins and needs purifying and if your thoughts are impure or negative and need clearing and cleansing. Gabriel is also very helpful for women who have been raped or sexually assaulted and feel dirty as well as being under psychic attack or if you feel that you have absorbed someone else's problems.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 11:10pm On Apr 15, 2015
4. Uriel: Meaning - "God is light", "God's light", Fire of God"

Uriel is considered one of the wisest Archangels because of his intellectual information, practical solutions and creative insight, but he is very subtle. You may not even realize he has answered your prayer until you've suddenly come up with a brilliant new idea.

Uriel warned Noah of the impending flood, helped the prophet Ezra to interpret mystical predictions about the coming Messiah and delivered the Cabal to humankind. He also brought the knowledge and practice of alchemy and the ability to manifest from thin air, as well as illuminates situations and gives prophetic information and warnings. All this considered, Uriel's area of expertise is divine magic, problem solving, spiritual understanding, studies, alchemy, weather, earth changes and writing. Considered to be the Archangel who helps with earthquakes, floods, fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, natural disaster and earth changes, call on Uriel to avert such events or to heal and recover in their aftermath

In the eighth century, the Christian Church became alarmed at the rampant and excessive zeal with which many of the faithful were revering Angels. For some unknown reason, in 145 A.D. under Pope Zachary, a Roman council ordered seven Angels removed from the ranks of the Church’s recognized Angels, one of them being Uriel.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 11:12pm On Apr 15, 2015
5. Chamuel: Meaning - "He who sees God", "He who seeks God"

Also known:
Camael
Camiel
Camiul
Camniel
Cancel
Jahoel
Kemuel
Khamael
Seraphiel
Shemue


The Archangel of pure love, Chamuel can lift you from the depths of sorrow and find love in your heart. Chamuel helps us to renew and improve existing relationships as well as finding our soul mates. He works with us to build strong foundations for our relationships (as well as careers) so they're long-lasting, meaningful and healthy. You'll know he's with you when you feel butterflies in your stomach and a pleasant tingling in your body.

If there's a breakdown of your relationship, if you cling to your relationships and don't allow your companion the freedom to be able to express themselves freely, call on Chamuel for guidance and support. The other areas you can Chamuel can help is if you need to strengthen a parent-child bond, if you're unable to feel love for yourself or others, if your heart has hardened and is full of negative emotions, if you have lost someone close through death or separation, if you and your children have experienced a divorce, if your heart is blocked with depression, hopelessness and despair, if you feel lonely and broken hearted, if you need to be loved, if you are judgmental and cynical or if you don't appreciate the love that you have in your life.

Chamuel can also help with world peace, career, life purpose and finding lost items.

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Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 11:13pm On Apr 15, 2015
6. Jophiel: Meaning - "Beauty of God"

Also known:
Iofiel
Iophiel
Jofiel
Zophiel

Jophiel was the Angel present in the Garden of Eden and later watched over Noah’s sons. The Archangel of art and beauty, he is the patron of artists, helping with artistic projects, thinking beautiful thoughts, to see and appreciate beauty around us. Helping to create beauty at home and at work, Jophiel is the Archangel for interior decorators. He illuminates our creative spark by giving us ideas and energy to carry out artistic ventures. He also helps us to see the beauty in all things, including people.

As well as helping our creativity, Jophiel helps us to slow down and smell the roses. Call on him if you need joy and laughter in your life or if you feel you’ve lost the light in your life. He will also help if your soul is sleeping and needs awakening and if you wish to awaken a deeper understanding of who you are and seeking a connection with the higher self, so that you may take your first steps along your spiritual pathway.

You know Jophiel is at work if you are searching for answers to the questions in your life and wish the greater wisdom to be revealed to you, and all of a sudden you experience flashes of insight in which everything suddenly becomes clear.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 11:15pm On Apr 15, 2015
7. Raguel: Meaning - "Friend of God"

Also known:
Akrasiel
Raguil
Rasuil
Rufael
Suryan

Referred to as the Archangel of Justice and Fairness, Raguel oversees all the other Archangels and Angels. He watches over them to make sure they’re working well together in a harmonious and orderly fashion according to Divine order and will.

Raguel is the Archangel for the underdog. Call on him for help when you need to be empowered and respected. He helps to resolve arguments, helps with cooperation and leads to harmony in groups and families. Raguel defends the unfairly treated, and provides support with mediation of disputes.

In the Revelation of John, Raguel is referred to as an assistant to God in the following account: "Then shall He send the Angel Raguel, saying: Go and sound the trumpet for the Angels of cold and snow and ice, and bring together every kind of wrath upon them that stand on the left."

Despite his exalted position, for some unexplained reason Raguel was reprobated in 745 A.D. by the Roman church (along with some other high-level Angels, including Uriel). At this time Pope Zachary described Raguel as a demon who "passed himself off as a saint".
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 11:24pm On Apr 15, 2015
Please note that Michael, Gabriel, Uriel and Raguel are the most common or widely known today. Unfortunately, you hardly find a church today preach on Angels and their ministries and this is because the understanding is not there. Lucifer was in charge of Music and Worship before his fall and could not be described as the most powerful of them all but the most loved by God because he had access to the Throne.

Again, there's a great difference between the Son of Man and Arch-Angel Michael. They're never the same and they never will be smiley


For more reads:
http://www.angelfocus.com/archangels.htm
http://www.angelsbysharae.com/ArchangelsList.html


Shalom!
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by InZA: 11:26pm On Apr 15, 2015
Sanchez01


I must really commend you for how detailed you've been in crystallizing the ministry of the arch-angels. I thoroughly enjoyed everything you wrote, even though I don't agree with some of them, but since I don't have raw counter facts at the moment, I would leave my contradictory opinion till another time.

That said, there was something that kept on cropping up in your exegesis of the workings of angels - "When you call upon". As much as I've come to know as a Christian, angels should neither be prayed to or "called upon"... I say this cautiously though because I know angels are among other things, basically ministering spirits and at such in prayer they can be called upon in such a way as " In the name of Jesus, Angels I command you to go to the East and the West and bring my breakthrough".

But the way you emphatically used "call upon" It's like you're ignoring the authority of Jesus or the authority in the name of Jesus as the only and absolute force that drives any form of help or deliverance or miracle etc.


You seem to be "deityfying" the arch angels... Please correct me if I'm not fully understanding you.

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Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 11:43pm On Apr 15, 2015
otipoju:
As beautiful as your arguments sound they become suspect when you consider that

1. Angels do not receive worship from men simply because they were also created beings. As a Celestian I worship Jesus but do not worship Angel Michael.


It is true Angels are not to be worshipped - Rev 19:10, that is the same reason why Jesus isn't to be worshipped too according to the scriptures. When tempted to do an act of worship to the Devil, what was jesus' reply? "It is YHWH your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service."

Also, note who Jesus taught his disciples to pray to: "our father in the heavens..." - Matt 6:9. And he also said to his disciples: "no matter what you ask the father in my name, he may give you." - John 15:16

Jesus plays a mediator role btw Man and YHWH. We should worship YHWH our father.


otipoju:

2. Angels are ministering servants of God, in fact Michaels function is clearly defined as protector and defender of the saints of God and is therefore a warrior angel. Jesus is the Son of God...the word of the Father who proceeds from him and is eternal and equal with the Father for this reason.

Michael is the Archangel. The prefix "arch" means "principal" or "chief", so Michael is a worrior, the Commander of the entire hosts of Angels. And yes he is a servant of God. Is Jesus not as well a servant of God? Jesus himself made the comment: "
I must declear the Goodnews of the Kingdom of God, because for this I was sent forth."

Sent by who you may ask. Jesus again said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative...I seek, not my will, but the will of him who sent me. Was Jesus sent? Is he a servant of YHWH? The answer is obvious.

otipoju:

3. For the remission of the sins of men, an angel no matter how chiefly could and never would be sufficient.

Jesus is not just an angel, he's the Archangel. But more that that he is the only begotten son of God, God's firstborn - col 1:15. After his death on earth, he was exulted to sit down on the right hand of God's throne. Now he has been appointed king over God's kingdom. Yes he was made higher than Angels.

It is important to note that a perfect life was needed as a propretiatory sacrifice to free humans from their sin. Any angel would have been just ok because just like Adam, they're perfect.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by otipoju(m): 11:54pm On Apr 15, 2015
BIBLESPEAKS:


It is true Angels are not to be worshipped - Rev 19:10, that is the same reason why Jesus isn't to be worshipped too according to the scriptures. When tempted to do an act of worship to the Devil, what was jesus' reply? "It is YHWH your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service."

Also, note who Jesus taught his disciples to pray to: "our father in the heavens..." - Matt 6:9. And he also said to his disciples: "no matter what you ask the father in my name, he may give you." - John 15:16

Jesus plays a mediator role btw Man and YHWH. We should worship YHWH our father.




Michael is the Archangel. The prefix "arch" means "principal" or "chief", so Michael is a worrior, the Commander of the entire hosts of Angels. And yes he is a servant of God. Is Jesus not as well a servant of God? Jesus himself made the comment: "
I must declear the Goodnews of the Kingdom of God, because for this I was[b] sent forth[/b]."

Sent by who you may ask. Jesus again said: "I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative...I seek, not my will, but the will of him who[b] sent me[/b]. Was Jesus sent? Is he a servant of YHWH? The answer is obvious.



Jesus is not just an angel, he's the Archangel. But more that that he is the only begotten son of God, God's firstborn - col 1:15. After his death on earth, he was exulted to sit down on the right hand of God's throne. Now he has been appointed king over God's kingdom. Yes he was made higher than Angels.

It is important to note that a perfect life was needed as a propretiatory sacrifice to free humans from their sin. Any angel would have been just ok because just like Adam, they're perfect.

"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God and the word was made flesh and dwelt among men"......that is the Son of God .

At Jesus babtism at the River Jordan, the father referred to him as his Son in whom he was well pleased at least three human years before he was cruxified. He was not made higher than the angels after his death.

My earthly Father could send me on errands, it does not mean that I am his servant.

What we have is the problem of 'religious language" in expressing the spiritual/supernatural with the limitations of human language.

And Jesus did receive worship from the multitude who laid palm fronds on his path and shouted Hossanah to the Highest.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 12:01am On Apr 16, 2015
InZA:
Sanchez01


I must really commend you for how detailed you've been in crystallizing the ministry of the arch-angels. I thoroughly enjoyed everything you wrote, even though I don't agree with some of them, but since I don't have raw counter facts at the moment, I would leave my contradictory opinion till another time.

That said, there was something that kept on cropping up in your exegesis of the workings of angels - "When you call upon". As much as I've come to know as a Christian, angels should neither be prayed to or "called upon"... I say this cautiously though because I know angels are among other things, basically ministering spirits and at such in prayer they can be called upon in such a way as " In the name of Jesus, Angels I command you to go to the East and the West and bring my breakthrough".

But the way you emphatically used "call upon" It's like you're ignoring the authority of Jesus or the authority in the name of Jesus as the only and absolute force that drives any form of help or deliverance or miracle etc.


You seem to be "deityfying" the arch angels... Please correct me if I'm not fully understanding you.
Thank you so much for your observation. Like I previously mentioned, the problem in churches today is that they don't preach or talk about Angels. The answer to this could be for several reasons. Albeit, they have the congregation to suffer as most of these congregation don't know what should be done in some cases.

Unfortunately, the white garment churches are the only few who understand that these angels are "ministering beings". Please bear in mind that I've never worshipped in a white garment church before though.

Although there are several Arch-angels, their "ministries" are never the same.

But before I proceed, I'd like us to look at the meaning of the word 'minister'.

To minister means to "Serve" or "be a servant". Thus, when Joshua was described as Moses' minister, it meant he was Moses' Servant (Exo 24:13; Num 11:28)

When "we call on Angels", we are simply asking them to do things on our behalf; we're sending them on errands or we're asking them to "minister" to us.

And it would be right to quickly point out that Angels are above humans but in a little way (Ps 8:5). "What is man that you have placed him a little lower than the Angels?"

So, knowing that we're beneath them, it is expected that we revere them. Some, on seeing Angels in the Bible, fell to their face to worship because of their majesty. We are not permitted to worship them but we're permitted to 'put them to use' by calling on them to 'minister' to us.

For people who may be awe-struck by these beings, they may end up focusing on them, rather than God. 'Deitifying' them in the process, possibly.

By saying "we're to call on them", again, means we recognize that we have them at our beck and call and rather than disturb Christ with little petitions, Angels, be it arch or the regular, are always there to make things work out. However, there's a VERY thin line between calling on them and deitifying them which makes it a bit risky for someone who does not understand how to go about it.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 12:07am On Apr 16, 2015
Sanchez01:
@Biblespeaks, nice try but what you have written doesn't add up. True, Michael is an arch-angel but it is also right to say that he is NOT the only arch-angel around.There are quite a handful of arch-angels and I'll take my time to explain them to you. But take it off your mind that Jesus and Michael are one and the same.

The earliest reference to a system of seven archangels as a group appears to be in Enoch I (the Book of Enoch) which is not part of the Jewish Canon but is prevalent in the Judaic tradition, where they are named as GABRIEL, MICHAEL, RAPHAEL, URIEL, RAGUEL, REMIEL and SARAGAEL. While this book today is non-canonical in most Christian Churches, it was explicitly quoted in the New Testament (Letter of Jude 1:14-15) and by many of the early Church Fathers.



The bolded shows that it is not inside the inspired scriptures. If such was true and would benefit us, it wldve been in the inspired scriptures - The bible. "All scripture is inspired...and complete." - 2Tim 3:16.

Show me from the inspired Bible where it mentions many Archangels.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 12:14am On Apr 16, 2015
@Biblespeaks, I don't want to go deeper into the formation of the Scriptures and I wouldn't want us to exhbit dogmatism. We should be given to study acceptance of possible truths, based on the revelations of the Holy Spirit. To confirm a bit about this, why not read Jude 1:14-15.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by InZA: 12:18am On Apr 16, 2015
Sanchez01:

Thank you so much for your observation. Like I previously mentioned, the problem in churches today is that they don't preach or talk about Angels. The answer to this could be for several reasons. Albeit, they have the congregation to suffer as most of these congregation don't know what should be done in some cases.

Unfortunately, the white garment churches are the only few who understand that these angels are "ministering beings". Please bear in mind that I've never worshipped in a white garment church before though.

Although there are several Arch-angels, their "ministries" are never the same.

But before I proceed, I'd like us to look at the meaning of the word 'minister'.

To minister means to "Serve" or "be a servant". Thus, when Joshua was described as Moses' minister, it meant he was Moses' Servant (Exo 24:13; Num 11:28)

When "we call on Angels", we are simply asking them to do things on our behalf; we're sending them on errands or we're asking them to "minister" to us.

And it would be right to quickly point out that Angels are above humans but in a little way (Ps 8:5). "What is man that you have placed him a little lower than the Angels?"

So, knowing that we're beneath them, it is expected that we revere them. Some, on seeing Angels in the Bible, fell to their face to worship because of their majesty. We are not permitted to worship them but we're permitted to 'put them to use' by calling on them to 'minister' to us.

For people who may be awe-struck by these beings, they may end up focusing on them, rather than God. 'Deitifying' them in the process, possibly.

By saying "we're to call on them", again, means we recognize that we have them at our beck and call and rather than disturb Christ with little petitions, Angels, be it arch or the regular, are always there to make things work out. However, there's a VERY thin line between calling on them and deitifying them which makes it a bit risky for someone who does not understand how to go about it.

A very thin line really, I agree with you, maybe that's why there are just a handful of Christian churches that preach about them, their existence and their place in the body of Christ.

Thank you for the expository piece

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Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by otipoju(m): 1:33am On Apr 16, 2015
Is Jesus Really Michael the Archangel?

by Eric Lyons, M.Min.

According to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “Jesus is not God and never claimed to be” (“Should You Believe…?,” 2000). Rather, Jesus can be understood “from the scriptures to be Michael the Archangel” (The Watchtower, 1979, p. 29). “Michael the great prince is none other than Jesus Christ himself,” they allege (The Watchtower, 1984, p. 29). The May 15, 1969 issue of Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Watchtower magazine suggested: “There is Scriptural evidence for concluding that Michael was the name of Jesus Christ before he left heaven and after his return” (p. 307). Where is the “scriptural evidence” for such a doctrine? In an article titled “The Truth About Angels” that appears on the official web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses (www.watchtower.org), 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Jude 9 were the only two passages listed as proof that “the foremost angel, both in power and authority, is the archangel, Jesus Christ, also called Michael” (2001).

Michael the archangel is mentioned only five times in the Bible (Daniel 10:13,21; 12:1; Jude 9; Revelation 12:7), and yet never do these passages indicate that he is to be equated with the preincarnate Christ, nor with the ascended Jesus. First Thessalonians 4:16 also alludes to “an archangel,” and, although the name Michael is not mentioned, this is the passage Jehovah’s Witnesses frequently cite as proof of Jesus being the archangel. Concerning the Second Coming of Christ, Paul wrote: “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first” (emp. added). Supposedly, since Jesus is described as descending from heaven “with the voice of an archangel,” then He must be the archangel Michael. However, this verse does not teach that Jesus is an archangel, but that at His Second Coming He will be accompanied “with the voice of an archangel.” Just as He will be attended “with a shout” and “with the trumpet of God,” so will He be accompanied “with the voice of an archangel.” Question: If Jesus’ descension from heaven “with the voice of an archangel” makes Him (as Jehovah’s Witnesses claim) the archangel Michael, then does His descent “with the trumpet of God” not also make Him God? Jehovah’s Witnesses reject this latter conclusion, yet they accept the first. Such inconsistency is one proof of their erroneous teachings about Jesus.

One of the strongest arguments against Jesus being an angel is found in the book of Hebrews. In chapter one, the writer of Hebrews showed the superiority of Jesus over the angelic beings, and contrasted Him with them.

For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son”? But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits and His ministers a flame of fire.” But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment; like a cloak You will fold them up, and they will be changed. But You are the same, and Your years will not fail.” But to which of the angels has He ever said: “Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool”? (1:5-13).

Jesus’ superiority over the angels is seen in the fact that the Father spoke to Jesus as His special begotten Son to Whom He gave the seat of honor at His right hand (1:5,13). Furthermore, the writer of Hebrews indicated that God commanded all angels to worship Jesus (1:6; cf. Revelation 5:11-13; Philippians 2:10). Yet, if Jesus were an angel, how could He accept the worship of other “lesser” angels when, according to Revelation 19:10 and 22:8-9, angels do not accept worship, but rather preach the worship of God, and no other? Hebrews chapter one is a death knell to the idea of Jesus, the Son of God, being Michael, the archangel. [NOTE: Interestingly, John H. Paton, the most frequently used contributing writer in 1879 of Charles Taze Russel (the founder of The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society), admitted such when he stated in The Watchtower magazine near the end of its inaugural year: “Hence it is said, ‘let all the angels of God worship him’: (that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God)…” (1879, p. 4, emp. added). Sadly, even though Paton rejected the idea of Jesus being Michael the archangel, and even though Russell, The Watchtower's founder and first editor and publisher, allowed such a teaching in the magazine's first year of publication, Jehovah’s Witnesses today hold firmly to the doctrine that Jesus is Michael, the archangel.]

The writer of Hebrews returned to the subject of Jesus’ superiority over angels in chapter two, saying, “He [God] has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels” (2:5). To whom will the world be in subjection? Scripture indicates that it would be Jesus, “the appointed heir of all things” (Hebrews 1:2). “All authority” has been given, not to any angel, but to Jesus (Matthew 28:18). All angels, authorities, and powers “have been made subject to Him” (1 Peter 3:22). “In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him” (Hebrews 2:8, NIV, emp. added). Jesus, therefore, is not Michael, the archangel, “for it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come” (Hebrews 2:5, RSV).

One final proof that Jesus is not Michael the archangel actually comes from one of the five passages in which Michael’s name is found in Scripture—Jude 9. According to Jude: “Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, ‘The Lord rebuke you!’ ” Whereas Michael would not dare pronounce a railing judgment against the devil (cf. 2 Peter 2:11), Jesus once declared about Satan: “He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it” (John 8:44). Jesus did not approach the subject of rebuking Satan with the same hesitation as godly angels like Michael. Jesus, as Lord of heaven and Earth (Matthew 28:18), boldly called the devil a murderer and liar, and even went so far as to declare that “there is no truth in him.” The Son of God obviously is not Michael the archangel.

I find it extremely puzzling how Jehovah’s Witnesses can conclude that there is no biblical proof of Jesus being deity, and yet at the same time allege that “[t]here is Scriptural evidence for concluding that Michael was the name of Jesus Christ before he left heaven and after his return” (Watchtower, 1969, p. 307, emp. added). Where is the evidence? There is none. Jesus is not Michael the archangel; rather, He is exactly Who the apostle John said He was (John 1:1,14), Who Thomas said He was (John 20:28), and even Who His enemies accused Him of making Himself (John 5:18; 10:33). Jesus is God

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Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by dolphinheart(m): 5:14pm On Apr 16, 2015
Sanchez01:
@Biblespeaks, nice try but what you have written doesn't add up. True, Michael is an arch-angel but it is also right to say that he is NOT the only arch-angel around.There are quite a handful of arch-angels and I'll take my time to explain them to you. But take it off your mind that Jesus and Michael are one and the same.

The earliest reference to a system of seven archangels as a group appears to be in Enoch I (the Book of Enoch) which is not part of the Jewish Canon but is prevalent in the Judaic tradition, where they are named as GABRIEL, MICHAEL, RAPHAEL, URIEL, RAGUEL, REMIEL and SARAGAEL. While this book today is non-canonical in most Christian Churches, it was explicitly quoted in the New Testament (Letter of Jude 1:14-15) and by many of the early Church Fathers.

I must confess that I have no clue as to who is older between the fallen Lucifer and Michael but he is seen as the first created by God.

THE ARCH-ANGELS, NATURE and ROLES EXPLAINED

1. Michael : Meaning - "Who is like God", "Like unto God", "Who is like the Divine"
(Also known)
Beshter
Mika'il
Sabbathiel


The first Angel created by God, Michael is the leader of all the Archangels and is in charge of protection, courage, strength, truth and integrity. Michael protects us physically, emotionally and psychically. He also oversees the lightworker's life purpose. His chief function is to rid the earth and its inhabitants of the toxins associated with fear. Michael carries a flaming sword that he uses to cut through etheric cords and protects us from Satan and negative entities. When he's around you may see sparkles or flashes of bright blue or purple light. Call on Michael if you find yourself under psychic attack or if you feel you lack commitment, motivation and dedication to your beliefs, courage, direction, energy, vitality, self-esteem, worthiness. Michael helps us to realize our life's purpose and he's invaluable to lightworkers helping with protection, space clearing and spirit releasement.

Michael conquered the fallen Angel Satan, was in the Garden of Eden to teach Adam how to farm and care for his family, spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai and in 1950 he was canonized as Saint Michael, "the patron of Police Officers," because he helps with heroic deeds and bravery. Michael also has an incredible knack for fixing electrical and mechanical devices, including computers and automobiles. If your automobile breaks down, call on Michael.

Michael helps us to follow our truth without compromising our integrity and helps us to find our true natures and to be faithful to who we really are. Other times when you may find Michael helpful is when your job is too demanding with impossible deadlines to reach, when you have an addiction, if you're very ill and suffering from a degenerative disease or terminal illness and when you suffer from nightmares



Who wrote the book of enoch and when was it written
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Sanchez01: 7:37pm On Apr 16, 2015
dolphinheart:


Who wrote the book of enoch and when was it written
There are more things to the Bible than mere understanding. Please note the word "Jewish" and "Judaic" then go online to do your research on how the popular books in the Bible was donesmiley
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by dolphinheart(m): 8:21pm On Apr 16, 2015
Sanchez01:

There are more things to the Bible than mere understanding. Please note the word "Jewish" and "Judaic" then go online to do your research on how the popular books in the Bible was donesmiley
In other words, you dnt know who wrote the book you are qouting from and when it was written right?
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by johnw74: 3:45am On Apr 17, 2015
Jesus the Word of God leads the armies to Earth, not Michael

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses
, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


I agree with OP that this angel is Michael.

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


Jesus Christ the Word of God, and Michael the archangel are together on Earth at this battle.

The Lord and His armies defeat the armies of the world, and throw the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire, and then an angel (I agree with OP it is Michael) casts satan into the bottomless pit for a thoudand years.

Jesus Christ the Word of God in verse 16, is LORD of LORDS, that would make Him YHWH.
He battles with the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God, He has a name written on Him, "kING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS"
YHWH is the name of God.
God and the Word is God.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 8:02am On Apr 14, 2016
Note also that the custom of being called by more than one name is common in many cultures. The same situation occurs with names in the Bible. For example, the patriach Jacob is also named israel(Gen 35:10). The apostle peter is named in 5 different ways - symeon, simon, peter, cephas and simon peter. (Matt 10:2; 16:16; John 1:42; Acts15:7,14)
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 8:16am On Apr 14, 2016
Back in the early 1800's, Bible scholar Joseph Benson stated that the description of Michael as found in the Bible "manifestly points out the Messiah."

Nineteenth-century Lutheran E.W. Hengstenberg agreed that "Michael is no other than Christ." Similarly, theologian J.P. Lange, when commenting on Revelation 12:7, wrote: "We take it that Michael...is, from the outset, Christ in warlike array against Satan."

The evidence for such an identification led the above-mentioned scholars to recognize Michael as jesus despite the fact that they presumably believe in the Trinity.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by orunto27: 9:03am On Apr 14, 2016
Somebody's ideas from the days of Daniel. Operate with Jesus Christ and you are ok.
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by goodnews201668: 10:31am On Apr 14, 2016
THE spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible.
However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons.
By defending God’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?”

But who is Michael?

At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2 )

Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion.

Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9 )

(The Bible in this portion clearly indicates that Micheal another name for Jesus is the archangel!)

This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel.
This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.”

(clearly Jesus is the archangel as also indicated here! Jesus Didn't employ another person's voice like someone suggested in one of the previous comments.)

Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael.

Army Leader. The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7 ) Thus, Michael is the Leader (or chief) of an army of faithful angels.
Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-16 ) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7 ) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22 ) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.

Someone mentioned other archangels but I was expecting him to support it with scriptures but I was disappointed.

Dolphiheart and biblespeaks una well done ooo
Re: Why It Is Right To Conclude That 'michael' Is A Name For Christ In Heaven. by Ubenedictus(m): 12:45pm On Apr 14, 2016
InZA:


A very thin line really, I agree with you, maybe that's why there are just a handful of Christian churches that preach about them, their existence and their place in the body of Christ.

Thank you for the expository piece
sounds like catholic teaching 2 me.

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