Rilwayne001:


I'll do that whenever you use the bible in validating 1+1+1=3 a.k.a Trinity.

udatso:

Brother, Bible won't help in that one oh. You need to be lead by the holy spirit. Pray, fast then maybe the holy spirit will reveal it to you even though you still won't be able to explain it to others.

Rilwayne001:


Trust me, the dude will be back to give us this line @Underlined.

malvisguy212:
in Islamic home, muslims don't understand the nature of God,the name god is like a title to superhuman and in Islam we see how muslims are eagerly to appease there god to do work base theology,it is only in Christianity you see a God who want to have a personal relationship with his creator, muhammed died muslims lost communication with Allah, there only link is dead, that why muslims home don't encounter God, if you claimed to worship God who never revealed himself to you or show you sign, then you need to seat down and ask your self a serious question.

I am still expecting a reply to my thread.

Abuamam:


IRRELEVANT. STICK TO TOPIC.

Abuamam:
1. There also seems to be 28 generations in Matthew and 43 in Luke; between Joseph and David; a 15 generation difference. At 20-25 years per generation, that would give a difference of 300-350years between the two.

2. Luke's genealogy also contains a glaring error. Between Shem and Abraham, he is clearly following the genealogy in Genesis 11:10-26. At one point, Luke adds a name not present in Genesis 11, namely Cainan.
This is Luke 3:34-36:
the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, the son of CAINAN, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech
Guess the holy spirit forgot it when inspiring 'Moses' to write up Genesis during the 40year journey.

3. Matthew's genealogy omits 6 whole generations. (note that if we add them back, point 1 above still stands, only with a 2.5 century difference, instead of 3.5)
These names are; AHAZIAH, JOASH, AMAZIAH, JEHOIAKIM, JEHOIACHIN (JECONIAH, AKA CONIAH), and ZEDEKIAH were omitted. So not only was Matthew (or whichever 4th century monk wrote 'Matthew') inspired by the holy spirit to miscount 13 as 14, he also misinspired him to claim 14 generations for what was; in reality; 19. ( cf.1Chronicles)

Oh well. Holy spirit mysteries.

Scholar8200:
Yes but it was referred to because God made them one and not even genealogists who understood this could remove one from the family tree of the other. Mary was Joseph's wife and was made one with Joseph
.Mary was Joseph's wife & was made one with Joseph by God (Matt 19:6)

The bolded needs scriptural proof.

Isaiah 9:6,7 "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor. . . Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end , upon the throne of David and upon His kingdom ..." Isaiah 11 is another prophesy, there Christ is called A Rod out of the stem of Jesse, David's father.

,& not a foreigner like those mentioned; this clarifies it. kindly see Luke 1:35, Matt 1:18,24,25. Pls read those. But also note that Mary said in Luke 2:48. . . "behold your father (Joseph) and I have sought you sorrowing" Jesus did not deny Mary's statement as untrue but gave a reply that was to remind her of His purpose on earth and Heavenly Father just as God becomes our Father when we give our lives to Christ and we still do not deny our earthly father. Indeed it appears you are overlooking the culture where an in-law was recognised for genealogical purpose. Well, it has been explained in previous posts. But ignoring what can be substantiated, if you'll be objective in ur search, I'm afraid lives us going in circles. All others after Solomon did not inherit the promise because the original scope was all Israel 1 Chronicles 17:7,11,12 not just a tribe. Note that angel Gabriel said Luke 1:32

"HE shall be Great , and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him the Throne of His father David (not Solomon) and He shall reign over the house of Jacob ( note the scope, not Judah or Jerusalem alone)

The bolded is not my argument rather my focus is on the marriage btwn the two by which they became one.

malvisguy212:
Luke’s 41 generations, spanning more than 900 years from David’s death to the birth of Christ about 5 BC., average about 24 years each, as compared with Matthew’s 26 generations averaging 37 years each. The intentional omission of at least 4 names by Matthew suggests
the possibility that he may have omitted still others in the relatively obscure period between the Testaments. An average span of 24 years between a man’s own birth and that of his successor is far more probable than 37 years.

truthman2012:
If the accusations in the OP is true, then allah must have made a serious mistake by calling the Disciples TRUE WITNESSES:
Quran 3:52 Pickthal] But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).
[Quran 3:53 Pickphal] Our Lord! We believe in that which Thou hast revealed and we follow him whom Thou hast sent. Enrol us among those who witness (to THE TRUTH).
Muslims do know better than their god when it comes to arguments.
The Disciples wrote the Gospel with their utmost honesty and if there is any mistake, it was in utmost good faith. Genealogy is not so much important to the Gospel and it was not an account by Jesus Himself. Muhammad's companions might not be able to tell his accurate genealogy from a long distance and if they were asked to do so, their account would vary.
Do you discover quran does not attempt to tell any genealogy of any prophets? It shows you it is not an important issue.

malvisguy212:
topic has been debunked.
None of you guys even attempt this.
https://www.nairaland.com/2263213/claim-god-advocates-modesty-sexual
Surah 56:22-23: “And there will be
HOURIS
(FAIR FEMALES) with wide, lovely
eyes as wives FOR THE PIOUS, Like unto
preserved pearls.
Can Allah’s reward of unlimited sex,
day in and day out, really satisfy the
spiritual aspiration of a truly God-
fearing person?

Abuamam:


Are you saying that 'Luke's' genealogy is more probable than 'Matthew's'? Ok. So we dump 'Matthew's' as being a lie.

'Luke' made an error also by adding Cainan to his genealogy. Do we dump the gospel 'according to Luke' also? Or do we dump the book of Genesis for omitting it?




Lol. We are in the 21st century, not xtian dark ages. Nobody today (except evangelicals) believes that the ACTUAL disciples wrote any part of the NT; just because their names were fraudulently appended thereto. The only books of the NT whose authorship can be guessed at with any degree of objective analysis, are SOME letters of Paul. And hard as he tried to justify his heathen amalgamation of Roman gods and reformed Judaism, Paul was NEVER a disciple of Jesus.
The Quran endorsed the TRUE disciples of Jesus (as), not frudulent 4th century monks passing off their writings as disciples.

NT genealogy is important in the sense that it is one more clue that shows off your NT as one big fraud (MAYBE with a few accurate sayings of the prophet Isa (as) here and there).

Abuamam:


Are you saying that 'Luke's' genealogy is more probable than 'Matthew's'? Ok. So we dump 'Matthew's' as being a lie.

'Luke' made an error also by adding Cainan to his genealogy. Do we dump the gospel 'according to Luke' also? Or do we dump the book of Genesis for omitting it?




Lol. We are in the 21st century, not xtian dark ages. Nobody today (except evangelicals) believes that the ACTUAL disciples wrote any part of the NT; just because their names were fraudulently appended thereto. The only books of the NT whose authorship can be guessed at with any degree of objective analysis, are SOME letters of Paul. And hard as he tried to justify his heathen amalgamation of Roman gods and reformed Judaism, Paul was NEVER a disciple of Jesus.
The Quran endorsed the TRUE disciples of Jesus (as), not frudulent 4th century monks passing off their writings as disciples.

NT genealogy is important in the sense that it is one more clue that shows off your NT as one big fraud (MAYBE with a few accurate sayings of the prophet Isa (as) here and there).



Attempt what. While sex is one of the pleasures of this world which will be magnified for us in the hereafter; just like food and drink; Our spiritual pleasure will lie more greatly in the perception of the Presence and Company of our Lord.

We do not follow the sex-guilt of middle ages leaders of xtianity. Sex is a natural part of life; and in Islam, having lawful sex with one's spouse is not only meant to be enjoyable for both parties, God will even reward Muslims for the act of lawful marital sex.

Go and gnash your teeth in frustration if you don't like it; while pondering your percieved fate of everlasting boredom; sitting on a cloud forever, fanning your wings, singing halelluiah and playing on your golden harp.

Back to topic of genealogy in the Bible, which you guys are trying so hard to derail.

Scholar8200:
Now let's see Luke 2:48,". . . And His mother said unto Him, Son, why hast Thou thus dealt with us? Behold Thy father and I have sought Thee sorrowing. Christ did not reject her declaration in fact He went with them and was subject to them. Luke 2:51 " and He went down with them and was subject unto them."

Even the people realized this Matthew 21:9 . . And the multitudes . . . Cried saying Hosanna to the Son of David. David himself prophesied about Him in Psalm 110:1, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit Thou at My Right Hand until I make Thine enemies Thy Footstool.. David did further in Psalm 2(do read through) And if we say He was a Child remember that at that age He astonished the doctors of the law with His understanding and answers. Luke 2:46,47 I believe this is sufficient proof if we'll be sincere.

I'd wish you realize that we cant rewrite history and edit the culture of others( as it concerns sons and sons in law in genealogy) A son of Solomon marries a daughter of Nathan, though marriage identifies her with her husband's tribe, her own family tree must still be traced and here they use what's common practice for their culture which you've chosen to ignore.

In fact, another practice was that a dead man's wife became his brother's to raise up seed for his dead brother (not for himself!) Genesis 38:7,8,9; Deut 25:5,6.I believe the omission of Cainan is what it is- an Omission. In fact there were times when there were omissions Ezra 2:62 .

Yes Solomon's son took over just one tribe but the Ultimate fulfilment is Christ Revelations 22:16," I Jesus have sent Mine angel to testify unto you these things in the Churches. I Am the Root and the Offspring of David . . ,"

[quote author=truthman2012 post=32880599]

If you say the NT is a fraud, what do you call the quran? I noticed all of you are looking away from my thread for inability to defend allah's fraud in the quran. See it again:

https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe

Paul wrote many epistles of the Gospel. If there was anyone who should attract allahh's attention in the bible, it is Paul. Paul had written all he wrote before Muhammad's islam, but allahh didn't dispute his writings as you islam adherents are doing today.

The bible had exited in the form it is now before Muhammad's islam, yet allah didn't make any comment about him. It shows allahh was forced to bow to Paul's writings. The miracles allahh and his prophet, muhammad were unable to perform were Paul's normal evangelical life.

Allahh claimed to have given Jesus a book as in: He (Jesus) said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet (Quran 19:30 Shakir).

Who wrote the Book and where is it if not the writings of the Disciple?

sukkot:
my bros Rilwayne make we leave matter for matthias lol. there was no human being named jesus christ. it is a title for a group of people. it means THOSE ANOINTED WITH THE WORD. there are many jesus christs. bible is allegory not literal

My kind sire ..... the two underlined is that reason why I like you … but how come most christians are not aware of that?

Rilwayne001:


My kind sire ..... the two underlined is that reason why I like you … but how come most christians are not aware of that?

sukkot:
well you know the religion christianity is an indoctrination. its like being put in a hypnotic trance. once you have being cloaked with the religion, you become scared to leave. my brother nobody wants to burn in literal fire for ever and ever and ever and ever. fire dey pain ooo my bros

Scholar8200:
Simple, it is simply Sukkot's opinion.

Scholar8200:
Simple, it is simply Sukkot's opinion.

sukkot:
not my opinion. it is a fact. its in the bible if you read it very well. [b]the bible itself tells you these stories are allegories. not saying they didnt happen, but they did not happen how they are literally presented in the bible. they happened but those names used for people are just classifications and not actual human names. for example i write a story about how nigeria and biafra fought in the biafran war. if i am to write the story allegorically i present nigeria as an individual named john, and biafra as an individual named james. and then i proceed to write the story like ' and james was pissed off with john so they start fighting each other ' etc etc. the story did actually happen. john fought james. however there is no human being named john or james. they are cover names. same way the bible is written[/b]

Scholar8200:
But these names and places and the nation in question exists today. CAn you please guide me to some of these references,@ the bolded?

sukkot:
I just did provide a galatian verse. and i am not saying the places in the bible did not exist. they exist. are the stories true ? yes they are true. but is there a man named abraham and israel and adam etc etc ? no. those are cover names for nations of people

Scholar8200:
Would you then rewrite their history(umpteenth time!) and tell them (Israel) that they dont exist even though they trace their descent from these people?

sukkot:
GALATIANS 4 VS 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. <<< SEE THE BIBLE TELLING YOU ABRAHAM NEVER EXISTED ? IT SAYS THE STORY IS AN ALLEGORY. SO IF ABRAHAM NEVER EXISTED AND HE IS THE FORE-BEARER OF THE CHARACTERS IN THE BIBLE YOU CAN START TO APPRECIATE THAT THE BOOK IS DEEPER THAN YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE. IT IS SYMBOLIC PARABOLIC AND ALLEGORY. IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE UNDERSTOOD BY BUT A FEW PEOPLE.

malvisguy212:
does that mean all the name written in the geanology of Jesus christ does not exist? The Jewish scripture and talmud confirmed this name exist.

sukkot:
i never said israel does not exist ( keep in mind israel is not the people in israel today but thats a different story ). what am saying is there is no human being named abraham or jesus christ or noah or adam. i think you need to go look up the word ALLEGORY in the dictionary so you can understand where i am coming from. ALLEGORY is a real story told with made up characters. gerrit ?