khassy:
am sure this op failed summary in school




too long and boring

Go back to school and learn how to read comprehension passages. The good ol' days are never too far.

Damn it!!!


The Op have my illusive fantasies raining down on me like a park of cards.

Cutehector:
sir no mind dem. But they will be quick to read novels like fifty shades of grey, book one to three

Bros. You wicked. They couldn't read an article of 400 words there about, then its a trilogy?

Haba. Those kind of people only read pictures (instagram and BBM profile pictures).

Now on the topic.
The op's logic is just spotless.
It's even more annoying when those who place conditions on you expect you to live by them and never state your own conditions. I wish people will think more like this maybe we can really get especially Africans.

All aspects of human is an agreement and for there to be harmony, every one must play a role in ensuring the fulfillment of that agreement.

Truer words have never been spoken..

No love is unconditional, that's what unrealistic individuals always deceive themselves with.

Every love is conditional, but it doesn't make love selfish. Among the millions of humans all of the world, God the author of love, chose David as the one closest to his heart. We can't love everybody equally. And we tend to express more love to those close to us than others. It's natural, it's normal, it's conditional, and it's not selfishness.

Nice submission, OP.

FcvkSA:
Oahray, where you erred is that, unconditional love can be foisted upon anyone, that it can be forced down upon anyone orlaid down imperially upon anyone, but it does not work like that.

hmmm... I'm not sure I got your point. Or maybe you didn't get mine. I'm not saying unconditional love can be forced on anyone. I'm saying it doesn't exist. However, it is possible to examine the concept theoretically, and disprove with common sense based on undeniable reality.

Unconditional love is impossible amdist all the instances you cited except divine love, the love of God alone is unconditional. Furthermore, since loving people unconditionally even when they do not want your love is against love itself...Thus, for love to be truly unconditional in words and deed, it must be, it has to be accepted by the recipient. God accomplished this unconditional love of the world by making an offer of his unconditional love. An offer is a legal term that requires a clear, unambiguous and direct acceptance for it to be valid.

thanks for this. An offer is only valid on the condition of acceptance, so any love offered cannot be unconditional by any stretch of the word. A bit of going back and forth from you sir.

That is what John 3:16 is.
An offer of unconditional love to the world.
Accept it and he loves you from the moment of acceptance as much as he loves His only son, Jesus Christ...he cannot love you better in the future, he cannot love you less, he cannot love you more. That is the good news.

if your acceptance must precede such love as you say, then it isn't unconditional.

Essentially, love cannot exists unitarily. It exists in a relationship, ideally, within two people. However, the best of human relationship is incapable of perfect unconditional love, only Jesus is.

combine this with the part where you said you need to accept, and you see that you agree with my line of thought, though you aren't fully aware of it yet

FcvkSA:
Furthermore Oahray, just a little bit...

How do you measure the unconditionality of this love? Human or divine?

How can you plumb the recesses of motives and intention and even change of heart in human?

There is a line in a hymn that says: there are depths of love that I cannot know until I cross the narrow sea.

I dare to say that unconditional love by human, assuming but not conceding that it is possible, is not only immoral but it can even be a sin...since you love the person no less even if she/he kills, rapes, or indulge in the most despicable acts of wickedness imaginable and yet you are constrained from telling him to change otherwise or she/he risks losing the unconditional love you have for them.

However, unconditional love, is even possible by humans but it is not to be judged the way you think it will.

Ta.

there's something funny about your post. You aren't sure what stance to take and so move back and forth. You doubt the existence love that is unconditional (at least among humans) and question its morality as you have done in your previous post, yet you have another leg on the side of the fence.

I like the ropes you provided though. Strong enough to tie one up in his own argument.

shachris03:




op your logic is flawed. for you to love unconditionally, first of all, you must choose to love before the unconditional aspect. the choice to love might be based on condition But not the love itself.

if your choice to love is based on conditions, then your love wouldn't exist without those conditions. That makes the love conditional really.

Carefully think it over sir.

The ONLY true unconditional love exists between....
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Women and Money.

standd:
Damn it!!!


The Op have my illusive fantasies raining down on me like a park of cards.

hehehe... Your command of English though

Oahray:
hehehe... Your command of English though

Wack abi Well, you just disabused my mind of this thing called unconditional love. I used to believe in it. I once felt it (or so I thought).

Uchesis:
The ONLY true unconditional love exists between....
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Women and Money.

Give this guy a chilled bottle of baileys *barman*


#NodsMyHead

Oahray:
hmmm... I'm not sure I got your point. Or maybe you didn't get mine. I'm not saying unconditional love can be forced on anyone. I'm saying it doesn't exist. However, it is possible to examine the concept theoretically, and disprove with common sense based on undeniable reality.

Simply put, unconditional love is attributable to God. It is not a human character or trait to love unconditionally.
By its very character, or from its meaning, it has to be accepted by the recipient. The bible verse you quoted is the offer. The benefit of the unconditional love dates back even times past before acceptance.
Essentially, it is an attribute that belongs to God only.

Oahray post=32881037 thanks for this. An offer is only valid on the condition of acceptance, so any love offered cannot be unconditional by any stretch of the word. A bit of going back and forth from you sir.
if your acceptance must precede such love as you say, then it isn't unconditional.[/quote:


Don't get it twisted bro. It is the other way round. An acceptance is only valid where thre is a direct, unequivocal acceptance. An offer is not invalidated because of non-acceptance.
Moreover, you're being mischievious if you equate the requirement of acceptance as a condition. Even a presidential pardon is not forced on a convict...the convict in other words can refuse it.
Your stance is like providing a refuge for endangered persons and having to kidnap them of the streets to safe them. If you want to be escape the danger, go to the refuge.
Infact, what do you understand as love?
[quote author=Oahray post=32881037 combine this with the part where you said you need to accept, and you see that you agree with my line of thought, though you aren't fully aware of it yet

You have already gotten your thinking knotted up.
I'm very certain you do not understand what you have even written up there.

Oahray:
there's something funny about your post. You aren't sure what stance to take and so move back and forth. You doubt the existence love that is unconditional (at least among humans) and question its morality as you have done in your previous post, yet you have another leg on the side of the fence.

I like the ropes you provided though. Strong enough to tie one up in his own argument.

Like I started in the previous post, it is an attribute of God only.
That humans can show unconditional love too by the power of God in their lives is outside the scope of your thread.
That this unconditional love shown by humans subject to God or Christians cannot be properly judged or assessed or measured by the criteria in your post, another matter outside the scope of your thread.

Oahray:
I didn't miss it. Look at it this way. How many parents can love a stranger's child the exact same way they love their own? Give me examples of such parents, if you know.

If there aren't, isn't it clear that something makes one's own child different, a natural recipient of such love? That something is a condition, a condition that a stranger's child would fail to meet.

The condition is that they're their kids Or what else? Coz no matter what, a loving parent will be a loving parent even when pushed to the wall.

standd:



Wack abi Well, you just disabused my mind of this thing called unconditional love. I used to believe in it. I once felt it (or so I thought).

Yes. So wack that it is a joy to read and a challenge to emulate

Well if we believe something enough, we might actually feel it or even see it. I used to believe it too. I admit, the thought of being totally loved without any condition or limitation can be very appealing. Too bad there's always reality to bite one in the butt.

FcvkSA:


Simply put, unconditional love is attributable to God. It is not a human character or trait to love unconditionally.
By its very character, or from its meaning, it has to be accepted by the recipient. The bible verse you quoted is the offer. The benefit of the unconditional love dates back even times past before acceptance.
Essentially, it is an attribute that belongs to God only.

You have already gotten your thinking knotted up. I'm very certain you do not understand what you have even written up there.

You keep giving examples of conditions for unconditional love, yet insisting it's unconditional. ok, if you truly believe what you typed

Adaeze003:


The condition is that they're their kids Or what else? Coz no matter what, a loving parent will be a loving parent even when pushed to the wall.

well, one condition alone is enough to make it conditional.

Now tell me sincerely, if you know, why is it that some parents love their kids and other parents don't?
Also why do some loving parents have favourites among their kids?

Ipledge:
thsts how the thing goes

which thing?

ayusco85:



which thing?

Space booking now

Ipledge:
Space booking now

so u are a fellow of SBA.N?

olalat:
why did he make provision for even pagans and atheists. Why did he feed, cloth and shelter them. And again, u need to understand the fact not everyone will agree with that biblical school of thought u cited. The Muslims and other faith may not agree with you. Unless your assertion is Christians alone.

I understand you but the same can be said for most religions. God's love is usually preconditioned on the basis of your faith and believe in him. What happens to those who don't? Eternal domination. And this cuts across religions.

I love this insight...

"Give me, your unconditional love...
...the kind of love I deserve,
The kind I want to return. "

Oahray. Does that ring a bell?

Now, which article inspired this flash of brilliance from, eh?

ronald4lif:
The only unconditional love exist between parents to their kids, especially mothers, and sometimes among siblings. Every other love is conditional.

That's even one of the biggest conditional love. Parents love their kids so much because is their kids. 'Their kids' there is the condition.

Oahray:
lol. I'd be around when you find the loophole

Thanks for the heads up.

i won't say God's love is conditional, just because He sent His Son to die for humans doesn't mean He loves animals less.
The reason Jesus died for humans alone is simply because we are the ones who sinned not animals or even the serpent that tempted Eve. You can't tell me Jesus will come and die for animals that didn't commit any sin.
It was we, humans He clearly commanded not to eat the fruit not animals, irrespective of how you are tempted.
So, God's love is unconditional

Oahray:
WARNING: This post is veeeeery long. There, you don't have to repeat that obvious fact. Cheers.


UNCONDITIONAL LOVE?
Very often, we hear people talk so much about unconditional love - from the starry eyed teenager building webs of fantasy, to the married partner sobered up by chunks of unpalatable reality, to the religious zealot who relishes the thought of being a recipient of divine affection without having to lift a finger.

The general consensus in basically every circle is that love could actually be unconditional.

Well, you might have to step out of the box of mainstream ideology and put on your thinking cap for this. Our first stop... The dictionary.

Unconditional
- "not conditional or limited : absolute , unqualified." - Merriam Webster dictionary

- "Not subject to any conditions." - Oxford dictionary

- "Not limited by or depending on any conditions." Longman dictionary

Condition
- "something essential to the appearance or
occurrence of something else : prerequisite" - Merriam Webster dictionary.

- "a situation or state of affairs that must exist before something else is possible." - Oxford dictionary.

- "something that must exist or happen first before something else can happen." - Longman dictionary.

A merger of these definitions would see unconditional love being described as a love that exists or is shown without any condition or limit. In other words, nothing else has to happen to make such a love exist, and nothing can happen that would make it remain stagnant or die. The kind of love that appears from thin air and remains as constant as the sun. How romantic!

The reality though differs, and not slightly. So we shall examine reality together.

Romantic love
Perhaps the most popular of all types of love, is the one between a man and a woman (the not so straight wouldn't like that description very much). Thus at our very first stop, we collide with our first condition for romantic love - the object of our affection must be of the opposite sex (for the straight) or same sex (for the homosexual). Even those who claim to be bi-curious have their preference.

After that first condition has been met subconsciously, we start to look at other areas that may turn out to be deal breakers for us. Ever wondered why we don't fall in love with everyone we know? Unconditional love means you can love that unclad lunatic every bit as much as that smart, good looking man or woman who shows you nothing but care. No?

Let's look at a purer love then...

A parent's love
Quite simply, the reason a parent loves her child is because it's her child.

Mothers are undeniably the face of parental love, and the reason isn't far fetched. They are generally more expressive of their love. So fathers, bear with my illustration.

Take a moment to think about your mother. Now imagine you are her only child. One evening you are playing with other kids in your compound and armed men burst in. They inform everyone that they are there to kill every child in the compound, but because of some reason I don't know, they give your mother the opportunity to choose just one child to be saved. Which child would your mother pick over you?

Unconditional love means that it doesn't matter that the child nearest to you isn't your mother's child, she can save him/her instead of you. Would she? No?

For the religious, specifically Christians, let's look at an even purer love.

God's love
"God is love" says the Bible. John 3:16 says he loved the world so much that he sent his only begotten son. For many, that screams unconditional love. Just pause for a minute and complete the verse. The benefit of that love, eternal life, is hinged on faith in Jesus, or else destruction. A limitation or not?

Well let's go further than that. How many animals are promised such eternal life on the basis of faith in Jesus? The answer shows that man is unique, and why not? He was created in God's image. That in itself, is a condition that gives man the edge over animals. No artist would let a rascally child destroy his masterpiece without doing something about it.

Psalm 11:5 says that God hates anyone who loves violence. That makes it plain. Our desires and resultant actions can lose us God's love. Unconditional love?

Love for total strangers
This probably is the closest one can get to unconditional, for the recipient of the love shown is not the person's creation neither is he a relative or friend. However there still is a condition.

Imagine a man who braves blazing fire to get into a house. He believes there are children in there. As he gets in, he notices a litter of helpless baby rats huddled against a corner trying to get as far away from the flames as possible. Would he stop to save the baby rats or continue the search for the human children?

Your guess is as good as mine. The children would be a priority because they are human. There you have your condition.


LOVE AND SELFLESSNESS
Let me quickly correct a possible perception. This article wasn't written to make love in any form seem selfish or impure.

That man who constantly gives of himself and strives to remain faithful just to make his lady happy, even when she doesn't always appreciate it...

That faithful woman who gives her all because she genuinely wants the best for her man, even when there's that lingering possibility that she might lose it all in a blink.

That father who would rather take a bullet in the head than let his family members get hurt, or jumps into a river when he cannot swim, because he cannot watch his child drown...

That mother who would ferociously stand between her child and death, and do whatever it takes...

That person who believes that every other human should be given another shot at life, against the backdrop of the world's racist, tribalist and xenophobic tendencies...

All these are examples of selfless love which take different forms. Been conditional doesn't make them any less beautiful.

However when one insists that he/she must be loved absolutely, regardless of what he/she does or does not do, it reveals the self-centred nature inherent in most humans. A nature that seeks to receive without having to give anything.

Love can be selfless, love can be true, and love can be enduring. Do your part, make yourself loveable, love selflessly and appreciate the imperfect love shown to you. Maybe we can somehow make the world a better place, at least for those we love.

Just maybe.

© 2015 Oahray

Sir I have a question for u.

Do you love yourself conditionally?

firestar:
"Give me, your unconditional love...
...the kind of love I deserve,
The kind I want to return. "

Oahray. Does that ring a bell?

Now, which article inspired this flash of brilliance from, eh?

You know Donna?

Ha! You no be small pikin o. Good evening ma

fhunn:


i won't say God's love is conditional, just because He sent His Son to die for humans doesn't mean He loves animals less.
The reason Jesus died for humans alone is simply because we are the ones who sinned not animals or even the serpent that tempted Eve. You can't tell me Jesus will come and die for animals that didn't commit any sin.
It was we, humans He clearly commanded not to eat the fruit not animals, irrespective of how you are tempted.
So, God's love is unconditional

humans alone are specifically given dominion over the earth by God.

Animals didn't need to commit any sin before they started dying. They have no remedy for their death either.

The actions of humans made God flood the whole earth once, killing animals too. Only humans were given unlimited slots in the ark, all they had to do was just believe Noah, and walk in before it became too late. A third elephant wouldn't have been allowed into the ark even to save its life.

God gave permission for animals to be killed for food, but not humans.

Let me stop there. Remind me how God doesn't love man more than animals.

Dannidom:
Op I have a question for u. Answer it then we talk about unconditional love

Do you love yourself conditionally?

of course. The condition being that I'm me. That's the only condition most people need. The condition had already been met before consciousness as an infant. Some others need more than that, so they slash their wrists and inflict pain on themselves (you can research this).

Now if it were possible to have a clone of myself, identical and all, and he tried to kill me, I'd still do anything to protect myself, even if it means hurting him, and even if he is biologically the same as me. Survival instinct

So what were you saying about unconditional love?

Oahray:
humans alone are specifically given dominion over the earth by God.

Animals didn't need to commit any sin before they started dying. They have no remedy for their death either.

The actions of humans made God flood the whole earth once, killing animals too. Only humans were given unlimited slots in the ark, all they had to do was just believe Noah, and walk in before it became too late. A third elephant wouldn't have been allowed into the ark even to save its life.

God gave permission for animals to be killed for food, but not humans.

Let me stop there. Remind me how God doesn't love man more than animals.

See like you said God gave man dominion over everything but they lost it when they sinned which granted satan access into this world of ours and with him came all sorts of negativities even death and thats why animals die without human involvement.

And you cannot expect God to leave the people who built the ark to die, do you? Infact the vips on the ark should be the humans that built it na! Then He'll divide the remainig space to whatever He wants to save, abi?

You said God made animals for food to humans, so if you say God loves humans, He will also have to care for the animals since they are one of the necessary sources for food.