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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by cyrilamx(m): 12:12pm On Jan 03
Oga Jesus Christ founded a teaching Church and not a scripture reading Church. Infact even the scripture u wont to quote did say Christ did a lot of things that were not recorded. Do u think those things not recorded were lost when teachings were handed down by words of mouth? As scripture says the truth of Christ are both founded in sacred Tradition(word of mouth) and writing (sacred scripture) 2Thes. 2:15, these two sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture form the deposit of faith. No where in the Scriptures that say scripture alone is enough for our Rule of faith. Sola scriptura is an invention of Martin Luther, which sadly pentecostalism is founded on. Christ did not ask his disciples to start writing his acts while on earth, instead he taught them and ask same to go and teach others...the great commission. It was necessity that produced the books of the new testament because people started asking questions, wanted to know more about their faith. So please don't reduce the faith of Christians to something that must be reduced to writing. I only told you that Christ left authority to the Church through St. Peter, Matt 16:16-18, 1 Tim 3:15. The Church which is the mystical body of Christ is the pillar and ground of the truth. That why the Catholic Church exercising the power Christ bestowed on her was about to determine which of the several books in the early Church will form the new testament canons...you can see sacred tradition at work. Pentecostals claim they believe in the Scriptures yet can't agree in a particular interpretation of a passage resulting in splinter group. I still maintain the greatest coup against Christianity executed by the devil is protest of Luther which led to Protestant revolt against the high priestly prayer for unity by our Lord in John chapter 17. If you want to know more about the Church and it's teaching, eskew bigotry, get a copy of the Didach, read along with the Bible and see how the early Christians worship... the Mass tilted to catholicism you people have denounced. Be open minded.
drphantom:


Oga, there in ones the problem.

1. I do not subscribe to those who follow men blindly in the name of Pentecostalism. It is wrong period.
2. You displayed your prejudice in a flagrant defense of things I did not mention talk less of accuse you of
3. (You biggest error yet). You disregard the scriptures, the very foundation of Christian doctrine and say there is no such thing as scriptural reference? And you seriously call yourself a Christian with that assertion? When Jesus, God incarnate Himself said to His interviewer “search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life”. You so flippantly disregard those same scriptures and expect to have a doctrinal debate?
On what basis? Other people’s opinions and thoughts ? Outside of scripture?
Check yourself bro.
You are out of order sir.

My simple comment was aimed at asking you to refute brocab’s assertions with corroborating scriptures the same way he gave scripture to back his leanings. You respond in both instances with opinions and I’m supposed to just accept it?

I think not sir
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by oshe111(m): 1:38pm On Jan 03
optional1:


Greeting you jor
Hmmmm.....
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:25pm On Jan 03
{Ephesians 2:8-9} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Pride is calm before the fall.
cyrilamx:
Oga Jesus Christ founded a teaching Church and not a scripture reading Church. Infact even the scripture u wont to quote did say Christ did a lot of things that were not recorded. Do u think those things not recorded were lost when teachings were handed down by words of mouth? As scripture says the truth of Christ are both founded in sacred Tradition(word of mouth) and writing (sacred scripture) 2Thes. 2:15, these two sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture form the deposit of faith. No where in the Scriptures that say scripture alone is enough for our Rule of faith. Sola scriptura is an invention of Martin Luther, which sadly pentecostalism is founded on. Christ did not ask his disciples to start writing his acts while on earth, instead he taught them and ask same to go and teach others...the great commission. It was necessity that produced the books of the new testament because people started asking questions, wanted to know more about their faith. So please don't reduce the faith of Christians to something that must be reduced to writing. I only told you that Christ left authority to the Church through St. Peter, Matt 16:16-18, 1 Tim 3:15. The Church which is the mystical body of Christ is the pillar and ground of the truth. That why the Catholic Church exercising the power Christ bestowed on her was about to determine which of the several books in the early Church will form the new testament canons...you can see sacred tradition at work. Pentecostals claim they believe in the Scriptures yet can't agree in a particular interpretation of a passage resulting in splinter group. I still maintain the greatest coup against Christianity executed by the devil is protest of Luther which led to Protestant revolt against the high priestly prayer for unity by our Lord in John chapter 17. If you want to know more about the Church and it's teaching, eskew bigotry, get a copy of the Didach, read along with the Bible and see how the early Christians worship... the Mass tilted to catholicism you people have denounced. Be open minded.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:26pm On Jan 03
{Ephesians 2:8-9} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Pride is calm before the fall-This is one of the stories I have found on the net. Maybe you should be wondering why people are leaving the Church, and why they keep on leaving your beloved Church-and why couldn't this dedicated Roman Catholic woman, find Jesus inside the Catholic Church, Maybe the right answer to this question, is Jesus isn't in the Catholic Church in the first place, maybe this is why people are leaving the Church is because the Catholic Church doesn't teach the scriptures about how to accept Jesus into our hearts mind and souls?
listen to her story, she's writing your story 'about pride and self-righteousness.
Dear Tracy:
Seven people in my family have died over the past 2 years and I was searching for Him ... I could never find that lasting peace inside and I had always wanted Jesus in my life. So one day I typed in "Jesus" on the internet and found your web-site.
I have been reading your web-site for a long time, and at first I couldn't believe what the articles said about Roman Catholics, you know sometimes the truth hurts. I grew up Roman Catholic. But with time I decided to have a look at your articles ... and I couldn't believe my eyes. I never knew that Jesus had siblings! I was always taught as a little girl to read my catechism and the prayers (the prayer of absolution)... [The Roman Catholic church always referred to Mary as an "ever virgin." What a lie! So, I continued to read more articles and was shocked to find out what garbage I was believing in all these years. You see, I really never questioned anything...I just followed the crowd...your web-site was an eye opener.
All those years in the Catholic church I could remember praying and looking at the wall-size crucifix portraying a "dead" Jesus, and being so sorry that I could never measure-up because I always sinned. I remember crying and asking Him if he could truly show me how to get Himself in my life because I really didn't know how. Then one day, (as a result of studying your web-site), I bought an authorized King James Bible (all my life and I never even owned a bible) and turned to Ephesians and the verses that I read made me cry so hard because they were so sweet. The verses were "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is a gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." All these years, I thought I had to do something (to work harder, to be a better person) to merit eternal life...I cried and I still cry when I think of all the incredible love that Jesus had for everyone when he died...it was a precious gift. No other gift in this lifetime could ever equal His gift of unconditional, unselfish love.
When I got home, I cried and humbled myself and every bit of pride and self-righteousness I had crumbled. I admitted that I was a sinner and that I was so sorry for trying to work for eternal life and for being Roman Catholic (worshipping idols, eucharist). I repented of my sins and invited Jesus to be No. 1 in my life as my Saviour and King. The moment I received Jesus as my Saviour, it was like a 10,000 load of bricks were unloaded off my shoulders and I had finally found that lasting peace I was looking for! The hollow feeling inside me was filled.
Looking back now, all those years in the Catholic church...and He wasn't even there. Jesus' death on the cross didn't have any meaning to me in the Catholic church. It has incredible meaning to me now. Now, I know that Jesus paid the price for all of my sins (past, present and future). The Catholic church never taught me that! All they care about were their traditions and doctrines of men. I always was made to feel guilty and fearful.
I am looking forward now in a Brand New Life In Jesus Christ and I know that it is His Precious Blood that has freed me forever. I read His Word everyday and it speaks to my soul. I understand it, and my life has changed as a result. I'm not angry and resentful anymore, but it's like my soul is filled with His Love and a Calming Peace that I never knew existed and I thank Him everyday for his precious Gift of Eternal Life. My husband commented to me a couple of days later that my "heart was finally open."
The most puzzling question I had in my life is now answered. Jesus is more precious to me than anyone or anything in the world. Many times I ponder what depth of love God must have had ... to send his only begotten Son to die for sinners so they (whom receive Him as Saviour) could have eternal life and at the same time have their future sins forgiven. It is pure love, a love that knows no boundaries. This concept is still very new to me; it's beyond my comprehension...
A fellow sister in Jesus Christ,
Joanne
This is Just one story-coming out from the Catholic Church-you are playing the Blame games "calling Martin Luther is the key to break up the Church, once you know Jesus-this is how it is with Him-we don't need an organisation to tell us how to love Jesus, we just need Jesus. "And I have never heard or seen this love for Jesus inside the Catholic Church-so you better wake up, and ask yourself do you know Jesus?
cyrilamx:
Oga Jesus Christ founded a teaching Church and not a scripture reading Church. Infact even the scripture u wont to quote did say Christ did a lot of things that were not recorded. Do u think those things not recorded were lost when teachings were handed down by words of mouth? As scripture says the truth of Christ are both founded in sacred Tradition(word of mouth) and writing (sacred scripture) 2Thes. 2:15, these two sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture form the deposit of faith. No where in the Scriptures that say scripture alone is enough for our Rule of faith. Sola scriptura is an invention of Martin Luther, which sadly pentecostalism is founded on. Christ did not ask his disciples to start writing his acts while on earth, instead he taught them and ask same to go and teach others...the great commission. It was necessity that produced the books of the new testament because people started asking questions, wanted to know more about their faith. So please don't reduce the faith of Christians to something that must be reduced to writing. I only told you that Christ left authority to the Church through St. Peter, Matt 16:16-18, 1 Tim 3:15. The Church which is the mystical body of Christ is the pillar and ground of the truth. That why the Catholic Church exercising the power Christ bestowed on her was about to determine which of the several books in the early Church will form the new testament canons...you can see sacred tradition at work. Pentecostals claim they believe in the Scriptures yet can't agree in a particular interpretation of a passage resulting in splinter group. I still maintain the greatest coup against Christianity executed by the devil is protest of Luther which led to Protestant revolt against the high priestly prayer for unity by our Lord in John chapter 17. If you want to know more about the Church and it's teaching, eskew bigotry, get a copy of the Didach, read along with the Bible and see how the early Christians worship... the Mass tilted to catholicism you people have denounced. Be open minded.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by cyrilamx(m): 10:25pm On Jan 03
Oga quoting one woman who lost her way is puerile. Do u know how many find their way back to the Church? Google coming home network...you will be amazed. Remember the entire pentecostal population even if though the are splinter group owned by one man and serving family interest is not up to the souls in the Catholic Church. 1.2 billions souls... ur hatred for the Church founded by christ can't help you..the Church had seen ur type who sworn to destroy her but they ar no more. Empires have risen against the Church but the prayers of Jesus always prevail.

European Megachurch Pastor Converts to Catholicism - World Religion News
www​.worldreligionnews.com/.../europea...
20 May 2014 ... Megachurch pastor converts to Catholicism with announcement that ... Sweden, shocked his congregation by announcing his decision to ...

Also Google Prof Scott Hahn's conversion story. He was a former Presbyterian pastor and biblical theologian. Today he is a Catholic apologist.

Google the Coming Home Network and read a lot of converts from various pentecostal denominations to catholicism because having studied Church history, biblical exegesis, they came to the irrefutable truth that the Catholic Church with its age long existence and undivided unity and apostolicity is the one true Church of Christ.
Regarding your talk about Grace,Ephesus. 2:8-9, it seems you just quote without understanding the spirit of the passage u quoted. God has given every human grace to lead a life pleasing to him. But if u fail to cooperate with such grace will God still receive u into his kingdom? Grace isolated from one's good work, holy living can't save anybody. My friend faith without work so say the epistle of James is dead. James 2:25-26. Also the blessed apostle Paul admonished in his letter to philippians that we should work out our salvation in fear and trembling philippians 2:12-13. Again Matthew gospel shows us how the last judgement will be based on charity...good works. Matt.25:31-46. Why grace is a free gift, our good works are necessary for salvation. This was the error of Luther that faith alone is required which proteststant/pentecostals still propagate ...that why in his translation of the Bible into German, Luther excised the epistle of James because it was against his idea of Solar fidei-faith alone. The epistle of James which was written towards the end of ist century was to correct the misinterpretation of Paul's teaching that Christians are justified and saved by faith alone. While salvation is by grace, our own effort to lead a gud life in cooperation with that grace is essential. God has created us without our cooperation but he can't take us to heaven without our effort. Again in all faith of the world people have left and people have converted even to the faith others are leaving. Islam, Buddhism and even atheism have all one way welcome Christians convert so ur story about the woman is immaterial. What counts is the enduring nature of such conversion and when you talk about a faith that has stood the test of time, decimated, vilified but not destroyed, the Catholic Church is that very enduring institution which Christ found on Peter and promised the gate of hell can't prevail against. Matt. 16:16-18
brocab:
{Ephesians 2:8-9} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Pride is calm before the fall-This is one of the stories I have found on the net. Maybe you should be wondering why people are leaving the Church, and why they keep on leaving your beloved Church-and why couldn't this dedicated Roman Catholic woman, find Jesus inside the Catholic Church, Maybe the right answer to this question, is Jesus isn't in the Catholic Church in the first place, maybe this is why people are leaving the Church is because the Catholic Church doesn't teach the scriptures about how to accept Jesus into our hearts mind and souls?
listen to her story, she's writing your story 'about pride and self-righteousness.
Dear Tracy:
Seven people in my family have died over the past 2 years and I was searching for Him ... I could never find that lasting peace inside and I had always wanted Jesus in my life. So one day I typed in "Jesus" on the internet and found your web-site.
I have been reading your web-site for a long time, and at first I couldn't believe what the articles said about Roman Catholics, you know sometimes the truth hurts. I grew up Roman Catholic. But with time I decided to have a look at your articles ... and I couldn't believe my eyes. I never knew that Jesus had siblings! I was always taught as a little girl to read my catechism and the prayers (the prayer of absolution)... [The Roman Catholic church always referred to Mary as an "ever virgin." What a lie! So, I continued to read more articles and was shocked to find out what garbage I was believing in all these years. You see, I really never questioned anything...I just followed the crowd...your web-site was an eye opener.
All those years in the Catholic church I could remember praying and looking at the wall-size crucifix portraying a "dead" Jesus, and being so sorry that I could never measure-up because I always sinned. I remember crying and asking Him if he could truly show me how to get Himself in my life because I really didn't know how. Then one day, (as a result of studying your web-site), I bought an authorized King James Bible (all my life and I never even owned a bible) and turned to Ephesians and the verses that I read made me cry so hard because they were so sweet. The verses were "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is a gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." All these years, I thought I had to do something (to work harder, to be a better person) to merit eternal life...I cried and I still cry when I think of all the incredible love that Jesus had for everyone when he died...it was a precious gift. No other gift in this lifetime could ever equal His gift of unconditional, unselfish love.
When I got home, I cried and humbled myself and every bit of pride and self-righteousness I had crumbled. I admitted that I was a sinner and that I was so sorry for trying to work for eternal life and for being Roman Catholic (worshipping idols, eucharist). I repented of my sins and invited Jesus to be No. 1 in my life as my Saviour and King. The moment I received Jesus as my Saviour, it was like a 10,000 load of bricks were unloaded off my shoulders and I had finally found that lasting peace I was looking for! The hollow feeling inside me was filled.
Looking back now, all those years in the Catholic church...and He wasn't even there. Jesus' death on the cross didn't have any meaning to me in the Catholic church. It has incredible meaning to me now. Now, I know that Jesus paid the price for all of my sins (past, present and future). The Catholic church never taught me that! All they care about were their traditions and doctrines of men. I always was made to feel guilty and fearful.
I am looking forward now in a Brand New Life In Jesus Christ and I know that it is His Precious Blood that has freed me forever. I read His Word everyday and it speaks to my soul. I understand it, and my life has changed as a result. I'm not angry and resentful anymore, but it's like my soul is filled with His Love and a Calming Peace that I never knew existed and I thank Him everyday for his precious Gift of Eternal Life. My husband commented to me a couple of days later that my "heart was finally open."
The most puzzling question I had in my life is now answered. Jesus is more precious to me than anyone or anything in the world. Many times I ponder what depth of love God must have had ... to send his only begotten Son to die for sinners so they (whom receive Him as Saviour) could have eternal life and at the same time have their future sins forgiven. It is pure love, a love that knows no boundaries. This concept is still very new to me; it's beyond my comprehension...
A fellow sister in Jesus Christ,
Joanne
This is Just one story-coming out from the Catholic Church-you are playing the Blame games "calling Martin Luther is the key to break up the Church, once you know Jesus-this is how it is with Him-we don't need an organisation to tell us how to love Jesus, we just need Jesus. "And I have never heard or seen this love for Jesus inside the Catholic Church-so you better wake up, and ask yourself do you know Jesus?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 3:22am On Jan 04
20 May 2014 ... Megachurch pastor converts to Catholicism with announcement that ... Sweden, shocked his congregation by announcing his decision to ...

Also Google Prof Scott Hahn's conversion story. He was a former Presbyterian pastor and biblical theologian. Today he is a Catholic apologist.

Scott Hahn's didn't know Christ in the first place..If he had knowing Christ he would have been saved in Christ, and he would not return back to his own vomit.
{Proverbs 26:11} As a dog returns to his own vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.{Fooliness}
A prayer by Scott Hahn's, who claimed to be a protestant>I greet you, ever-blessed Virgin, Mother of God, refuge of sinners, and Queen of the Universe. {If he knew the Lord-he would know we are to pray to our Father who are in Heaven} He continual's>Most loving Mother, attracted by your beauty, sweetness, and tender compassion, I confidently turn to you, and beg of you to obtain for me of your dear Son the favor I request in this novena: (mention your request).
Obtain for me also, Queen of Heaven and Earth, the most lively contrition for my many sins and the grace to imitate closely those virtues which you practiced so faithfully, especially humility, purity, and obedience. {If Scott Hahn's knew Christ, he would know Jesus is the only one to forgive sins} Above all, I beg you to be my mother and protectress, to receive me into the number of your devoted children,{Of the Devil} and to guide me from your high throne of glory.{If Scott Hahn's knew the Lord Mary doesn't sit on anybodies throne, not even her own, if she had one..}
Do not reject my petitions, Mother of Mercy! Have pity on me, and do not abandon me during life or at the moment of my death.
{Again if Scott Hahn's knew Jesus, he would know Jesus saves}
Accept this offering, sweet Queen of Heaven and Earth, and obtain for me from your dear Son, Jesus Christ, {If Scott Hahn's knew Jesus he would know we pray directly to the Father} the favors I ask through your intercession in this novena. Obtain for me also a generous, constant love of God, perfect submission to His Holy Will, the true spirit of a Christian, and the grace of final perseverance.
Amen. {But all in all Scott Hahn's doesn't know the Lord, because he was never saved to know Him}
{Proverbs 28:26} If you think you know it all, you are a fool for sure, real survivors learns wisdom from others.
And who is the one man that owns the pentecostal population? I don't believe you know his name? And which is the Church you claim I hate so much that's founded by Christ, in what way did Christ find your Church? Through Peter, is this not what the Catholic's believe? and what is my type who had sworn to destroy? And what is your prayers of Jesus always prevail, when you know yourself you pray directly to Mary and the dead saints?
I didn't realise I came to Christ through Martin Luther-the God whom I serve In my spirit is preaching the gospel of His Son {Romans 1:9}
But the spirit of Martin Luther isn't preaching to me about God and God isn't preaching to me about Martin Luther.
The problem is, the Catholic's always put man before God, and because of one man, that walked away from your Church-you crucify him just as much as you have crucified Jesus still up on the cross.
cyrilamx:
Oga quoting one woman who lost her way is puerile. Do u know how many find their way back to the Church? Google coming home network...you will be amazed. Remember the entire pentecostal population even if though the are splinter group owned by one man and serving family interest is not up to the souls in the Catholic Church. 1.2 billions souls... ur hatred for the Church founded by christ can't help you..the Church had seen ur type who sworn to destroy her but they ar no more. Empires have risen against the Church but the prayers of Jesus always prevail.

cyrilamx:
Oga quoting one woman who lost her way is puerile. Do u know how many find their way back to the Church? Google coming home network...you will be amazed. Remember the entire pentecostal population even if though the are splinter group owned by one man and serving family interest is not up to the souls in the Catholic Church. 1.2 billions souls... ur hatred for the Church founded by christ can't help you..the Church had seen ur type who sworn to destroy her but they ar no more. Empires have risen against the Church but the prayers of Jesus always prevail.

European Megachurch Pastor Converts to Catholicism - World Religion News
www​.worldreligionnews.com/.../europea...
20 May 2014 ... Megachurch pastor converts to Catholicism with announcement that ... Sweden, shocked his congregation by announcing his decision to ...

Also Google Prof Scott Hahn's conversion story. He was a former Presbyterian pastor and biblical theologian. Today he is a Catholic apologist.

Google the Coming Home Network and read a lot of converts from various pentecostal denominations to catholicism because having studied Church history, biblical exegesis, they came to the irrefutable truth that the Catholic Church with its age long existence and undivided unity and apostolicity is the one true Church of Christ.
Regarding your talk about Grace,Ephesus. 2:8-9, it seems you just quote without understanding the spirit of the passage u quoted. God has given every human grace to lead a life pleasing to him. But if u fail to cooperate with such grace will God still receive u into his kingdom? Grace isolated from one's good work, holy living can't save anybody. My friend faith without work so say the epistle of James is dead. James 2:25-26. Also the blessed apostle Paul admonished in his letter to philippians that we should work out our salvation in fear and trembling philippians 2:12-13. Again Matthew gospel shows us how the last judgement will be based on charity...good works. Matt.25:31-46. Why grace is a free gift, our good works are necessary for salvation. This was the error of Luther that faith alone is required which proteststant/pentecostals still propagate ...that why in his translation of the Bible into German, Luther excised the epistle of James because it was against his idea of Solar fidei-faith alone. The epistle of James which was written towards the end of ist century was to correct the misinterpretation of Paul's teaching that Christians are justified and saved by faith alone. While salvation is by grace, our own effort to lead a gud life in cooperation with that grace is essential. God has created us without our cooperation but he can't take us to heaven without our effort. Again in all faith of the world people have left and people have converted even to the faith others are leaving. Islam, Buddhism and even atheism have all one way welcome Christians convert so ur story about the woman is immaterial. What counts is the enduring nature of such conversion and when you talk about a faith that has stood the test of time, decimated, vilified but not destroyed, the Catholic Church is that very enduring institution which Christ found on Peter and promised the gate of hell can't prevail against. Matt. 16:16-18
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:41pm On Jan 04
The Lord was speaking with me this morning=about the Church that built itself upon sin. The sickness of this all, is to claim the Catholic Church is the Mother Church of sin, {Jesus didn't build His Church upon sin-Peter was a sinner, He didn't build His Church on Peter the rock, The Rock isn't Peter, but the Word of God is the true foundation of the Rock, that stands-He built the Church on the Word Peter received from God, He didn't build His Church on Peter-it was the Word of God, Peter spoke, Jesus had built His Church upon.
{John 6:68} Simon Peter replied, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.
This shows even Peter agreed it's the Word of God that has eternal life.
{Matthew 16:16-18} Amplified Bible (AMP)
Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed, the Son of the living God} "Then Jesus answered him, “Blessed happy, spiritually secure, favored by God are you, Simon son of Jonah {because flesh and blood of a mortal man did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven} And I say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock {Which is the Word of God} I will build My church; and the gates of Hades {death} will not overpower it {by preventing the resurrection of the Christ}
Islam, Buddhism and even atheism did not know God-So coming back to your Church is nothing to be proud off, they still don't know God-its a well knowing fact, Pope Francis is calling together a One World Religion.
As Pope Francis say's who is he to judge-denying the Word of God, he had allowed the spirit of Islam, the spirit of Buddhism and the spirit of the world to come together and worship different god's.
This is paganism-I suppose paganism is returning back to it's own vomit-some religions have statue god's, some have Mohammed, others have Buddhist the concept of gods, gods without a creator, most are atheist under the spirit of Satan.
cyrilamx:

Again in all faith of the world people have left and people have converted even to the faith others are leaving. Islam, Buddhism and even atheism have all one way welcome Christians convert so ur story about the woman is immaterial. What counts is the enduring nature of such conversion and when you talk about a faith that has stood the test of time, decimated, vilified but not destroyed, the Catholic Church is that very enduring institution which Christ found on Peter and promised the gate of hell can't prevail against. Matt. 16:16-18


cyrilamx:
Oga quoting one woman who lost her way is puerile. Do u know how many find their way back to the Church? Google coming home network...you will be amazed. Remember the entire pentecostal population even if though the are splinter group owned by one man and serving family interest is not up to the souls in the Catholic Church. 1.2 billions souls... ur hatred for the Church founded by christ can't help you..the Church had seen ur type who sworn to destroy her but they ar no more. Empires have risen against the Church but the prayers of Jesus always prevail.

European Megachurch Pastor Converts to Catholicism - World Religion News
www​.worldreligionnews.com/.../europea...
20 May 2014 ... Megachurch pastor converts to Catholicism with announcement that ... Sweden, shocked his congregation by announcing his decision to ...

Also Google Prof Scott Hahn's conversion story. He was a former Presbyterian pastor and biblical theologian. Today he is a Catholic apologist.

Google the Coming Home Network and read a lot of converts from various pentecostal denominations to catholicism because having studied Church history, biblical exegesis, they came to the irrefutable truth that the Catholic Church with its age long existence and undivided unity and apostolicity is the one true Church of Christ.
Regarding your talk about Grace,Ephesus. 2:8-9, it seems you just quote without understanding the spirit of the passage u quoted. God has given every human grace to lead a life pleasing to him. But if u fail to cooperate with such grace will God still receive u into his kingdom? Grace isolated from one's good work, holy living can't save anybody. My friend faith without work so say the epistle of James is dead. James 2:25-26. Also the blessed apostle Paul admonished in his letter to philippians that we should work out our salvation in fear and trembling philippians 2:12-13. Again Matthew gospel shows us how the last judgement will be based on charity...good works. Matt.25:31-46. Why grace is a free gift, our good works are necessary for salvation. This was the error of Luther that faith alone is required which proteststant/pentecostals still propagate ...that why in his translation of the Bible into German, Luther excised the epistle of James because it was against his idea of Solar fidei-faith alone. The epistle of James which was written towards the end of ist century was to correct the misinterpretation of Paul's teaching that Christians are justified and saved by faith alone. While salvation is by grace, our own effort to lead a gud life in cooperation with that grace is essential. God has created us without our cooperation but he can't take us to heaven without our effort. Again in all faith of the world people have left and people have converted even to the faith others are leaving. Islam, Buddhism and even atheism have all one way welcome Christians convert so ur story about the woman is immaterial. What counts is the enduring nature of such conversion and when you talk about a faith that has stood the test of time, decimated, vilified but not destroyed, the Catholic Church is that very enduring institution which Christ found on Peter and promised the gate of hell can't prevail against. Matt. 16:16-18
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by solite3(m): 8:21pm On Jan 04
brocab:
The Lord was speaking with me this morning=about the Church that built itself upon sin. The sickness of this all, is to claim the Catholic Church is the Mother Church of sin, {Jesus didn't build His Church upon sin-Peter was a sinner, He didn't build His Church on Peter the rock, The Rock isn't Peter, but the Word of God is the true foundation of the Rock, that stands-He built the Church on the Word Peter received from God, He didn't build His Church on Peter-it was the Word of God, Peter spoke, Jesus had built His Church upon.
{John 6:68} Simon Peter replied, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.
This shows even Peter agreed it's the Word of God that has eternal life.
{Matthew 16:16-18} Amplified Bible (AMP)
Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed, the Son of the living God} "Then Jesus answered him, “Blessed happy, spiritually secure, favored by God are you, Simon son of Jonah {because flesh and blood of a mortal man did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven} And I say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock {Which is the Word of God} I will build My church; and the gates of Hades {death} will not overpower it {by preventing the resurrection of the Christ}
Islam, Buddhism and even atheism did not know God-So coming back to your Church is nothing to be proud off, they still don't know God-its a well knowing fact, Pope Francis is calling together a One World Religion.
As Pope Francis say's who is he to judge-denying the Word of God, he had allowed the spirit of Islam, the spirit of Buddhism and the spirit of the world to come together and worship different god's.
This is paganism-I suppose paganism is returning back to it's own vomit-some religions have statue god's, some have Mohammed, others have Buddhist the concept of gods, gods without a creator, most are atheist under the spirit of Satan.



my take on this is that a believer should not marry an unbeliever because of Spiritual issues.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by solite3(m): 8:37pm On Jan 04
cyrilamx:
Oga Jesus Christ founded a teaching Church and not a scripture reading Church. Infact even the scripture u wont to quote did say Christ did a lot of things that were not recorded. Do u think those things not recorded were lost when teachings were handed down by words of mouth? As scripture says the truth of Christ are both founded in sacred Tradition(word of mouth) and writing (sacred scripture) 2Thes. 2:15, these two sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture form the deposit of faith. No where in the Scriptures that say scripture alone is enough for our Rule of faith. Sola scriptura is an invention of Martin Luther, which sadly pentecostalism is founded on. Christ did not ask his disciples to start writing his acts while on earth, instead he taught them and ask same to go and teach others...the great commission. It was necessity that produced the books of the new testament because people started asking questions, wanted to know more about their faith. So please don't reduce the faith of Christians to something that must be reduced to writing. I only told you that Christ left authority to the Church through St. Peter, Matt 16:16-18, 1 Tim 3:15. The Church which is the mystical body of Christ is the pillar and ground of the truth. That why the Catholic Church exercising the power Christ bestowed on her was about to determine which of the several books in the early Church will form the new testament canons...you can see sacred tradition at work. Pentecostals claim they believe in the Scriptures yet can't agree in a particular interpretation of a passage resulting in splinter group. I still maintain the greatest coup against Christianity executed by the devil is protest of Luther which led to Protestant revolt against the high priestly prayer for unity by our Lord in John chapter 17. If you want to know more about the Church and it's teaching, eskew bigotry, get a copy of the Didach, read along with the Bible and see how the early Christians worship... the Mass tilted to catholicism you people have denounced. Be open minded.
what were the teachings of the apostles.
What did the teach concerning
Sin
God's law
Righteousness
Repentance
Salvation
Did they make images and bow to them?
Where they honoring Mary, angels and dead saints.
What was the first Church?
Was peter called a pope?
What ministry did peter receive?
Did the early church had priests?
What is mass?
What is the importance of mass?
Did the apostles refer to Mary as a mediatrix?
Who is a mediatrix?
Who is a mediator?
What does it take to qualify as a mediatrix or mediator?
Was Mary a sinner?
Was she a child of Adam?
Was Mary among people Christ came to save?

Please all catholics in the house are free to answer this questions.
Teach somebody your doctrine.
Go straight to point please. Thank you.

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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:56pm On Jan 04
I agree on that too bro, but I also believe God can do miracles-I married a born and bread Catholic-one that had given Herself over to Christ-to become a born again Christian-as I believed-and later returned back to the Catholic Church, because she didn't want to leave her friends behind.
She told me the pentecostal's were to much for her, we preach the gospel like there's no tomorrow. {Thank God for that}
This is like, I am unevenly yoked? But I do believe God had not finished His work in her as yet-I don't believe she had given her life to Jesus because of me, Jesus said: By their fruit we will know them, and already I have seen signs-and wonders in her, she pray's directly to the Father, and she talks to Jesus, she sings and dances in worship for Jesus.
She speaks of Jesus as her Lord and savour. I haven't seen this much faith in Catholic's as much faith I have seen in my wife bro.
She go's through her spiritual battles, and the flesh fights against the spirit in many ways, she is struggling, against the spirit of the Church and against the Spirit of the Lord..
And I pray {Revelation 18:4, 2 Corinthians 6:17, Jeremiah 51:45} that someday the Lord will deliver her out of the Church that claims to be built upon Peter.
solite3:


my take on this is that a believer should not marry an unbeliever because of Spiritual issues.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:05pm On Jan 04
{Romans 1-18-23} For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—{Like the Pope, and like every other man that claims to be god's on earth}
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by cyrilamx(m): 9:24pm On Jan 04
Thanks for those questions...I wish we can meet one on one then I can tackle ur questions...however if u on WhatsApp that will do...
solite3:
what were the teachings of the apostles.
What did the teach concerning
Sin
God's law
Righteousness
Repentance
Salvation
Did they make images and bow to them?
Where they honoring Mary, angels and dead saints.
What was the first Church?
Was peter called a pope?
What ministry did peter receive?
Did the early church had priests?
What is mass?
What is the importance of mass?
Did the apostles refer to Mary as a mediatrix?
Who is a mediatrix?
Who is a mediator?
What does it take to qualify as a mediatrix or mediator?
Was Mary a sinner?
Was she a child of Adam?
Was Mary among people Christ came to save?

Please all catholics in the house are free to answer this questions.
Teach somebody your doctrine.
Go straight to point please. Thank you.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by solite3(m): 11:05pm On Jan 04
cyrilamx:
Thanks for those questions...I wish we can meet one on one then I can tackle ur questions...however if u on WhatsApp that will do...
thanks but I prefer it on this forum that is why I posted it for all to see not for only me but also for nairalanders.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by cyrilamx(m): 7:40am On Jan 05
I will try, taking it one after the other
solite3:
thanks but I prefer it on this forum that is why I posted it for all to see not for only me but also for nairalanders.
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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by solite3(m): 11:36am On Jan 05
cyrilamx:
I will try, taking it one after the other
ok
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 5:08pm On Jan 05
brocab:
I agree on that too bro, but I also believe God can do miracles-I married a born and bread Catholic-one that had given Herself over to Christ-to become a born again Christian-as I believed-and later returned back to the Catholic Church, because she didn't want to leave her friends behind.
She told me the pentecostal's were to much for her, we preach the gospel like there's no tomorrow. {Thank God for that}
This is like, I am unevenly yoked? But I do believe God had not finished His work in her as yet-I don't believe she had given her life to Jesus because of me, Jesus said: By their fruit we will know them, and already I have seen signs-and wonders in her, she pray's directly to the Father, and she talks to Jesus, she sings and dances in worship for Jesus.
She speaks of Jesus as her Lord and savour. I haven't seen this much faith in Catholic's as much faith I have seen in my wife bro.
She go's through her spiritual battles, and the flesh fights against the spirit in many ways, she is struggling, against the spirit of the Church and against the Spirit of the Lord..

And I pray {Revelation 18:4, 2 Corinthians 6:17, Jeremiah 51:45} that someday the Lord will deliver her out of the Church that claims to be built upon Peter.

You probably haven't met real Catholics. You have been dealing with "I was raised Catholic" individuals and I don't blame you for not knowing or understanding the teachings of the Catholic Church from the Church itself. My guess is you've been drawing your judgement off the Catholics you have encounters with.
It's 2018, digital age. You really don't have to google around too much to know Catholic Encyclopedia and Catholic, among some others, can provide you with every position of the Catholic Church. At times, Catholic interpretation of some teachings in the bible are more nuanced than an average bible only protestant would easily grasp or assimilate during argument. And that is the issue.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:02pm On Jan 05
I like your call sign 9 inches, you are either bragging about it, or you would like to have 9 inches?
You are right I haven't met a Catholic that can honestly say they know Christ, other then my wife, but I have met the people, who claim to be Catholic, and don't know Christ, I was also brought into the Catholic Church when I was young, and it's not the Catholic name brand I am seeking, it is the people who hide behind the name Catholic, "People who are claiming to love God, know God, and deny God at the same time.
I have search the net about the different literature's about different religions, but than it all comes back to the bible-who deny's it? Who worships and prays after another, what does the bible say, we pray directly to the Father in Heaven, who has the authority other then the Lord Jesus Christ? Who is our mediator between God and man..Whom do we seek.
Which of the Catholic's do I seek that claim the truth, the hole truth and nothing but the truth? If I was to say-I know Christ, do I follow another? Do I pray through Mary and the saints? Do I bow down to an image, is the Pope my god on earth? Do I seek a priest to forgive sins? Is this written in the bible, "Certainly Not" whom do you seek?
9inches:


You probably haven't met real Catholics. You have been dealing with "I was raised Catholic" individuals and I don't blame you for not knowing or understanding the teachings of the Catholic Church from the Church itself. My guess is you've been drawing your judgement off the Catholics you have encounters with.
It's 2018, digital age. You really don't have to google around too much to know Catholic Encyclopedia and Catholic, among some others, can provide you with every position of the Catholic Church. At times, Catholic interpretation of some teachings in the bible are more nuanced than an average bible only protestant would easily grasp or assimilate during argument. And that is the issue.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 6:06am On Jan 06
brocab:
I like your call sign 9 inches, you are either bragging about it, or you would like to have 9 inches?
You are right I haven't met a Catholic that can honestly say they know Christ, other then my wife, but I have met the people, who claim to be Catholic, and don't know Christ, I was also brought into the Catholic Church when I was young, and it's not the Catholic name brand I am seeking, it is the people who hide behind the name Catholic, "People who are claiming to love God, know God, and deny God at the same time.

You should really get your mind out of the gutter. Why not ask me what my moniker means before insinuating.

brocab:
I have search the net about the different literature's about different religions, but than it all comes back to the bible-who deny's it? Who worships and prays after another, what does the bible say, we pray directly to the Father in Heaven, who has the authority other then the Lord Jesus Christ? Who is our mediator between God and man..Whom do we seek.
Which of the Catholic's do I seek that claim the truth, the hole truth and nothing but the truth? If I was to say-I know Christ, do I follow another? Do I pray through Mary and the saints? Do I bow down to an image, is the Pope my god on earth? Do I seek a priest to forgive sins?
Is this written in the bible, "Certainly Not" whom do you seek?

What aspect of the Catholic Church's teachings concerning the bolded above do you find problematic?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 11:24am On Jan 06
chubbyz:
I am married to a catholic, my husband allows me to go to my church, but he does not belief in d holy ghost, speaking in tongues or being fervent in the things of God. Its so frustrating sometimes, it kills my spirit, when u want to have quiet time, then he comes with one erand or the other just to distract u!

My advicw it is left for u if u can cope then marry him, if not, wait for ur own. Simple!
if your husband does not belief in the holy spirit, does not believe in his gift and is not fervent in Godly things then he is not a Catholic.

Catholics are bound by a rule of faith that require them to believe both in the holy spirit and in his charism, a good Catholic is fervent in Godly things. if your husband does not believe in the HOLY spirit then he isn't practicing the Catholic faith he is just going to a Catholic Church.

you need to start praying earnestly
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:38pm On Jan 06
9 inches is not the name I would call myself in the Christian forum-to be truthful I would think before I would name myself a name that will cause people to slide.. I am not against anybody in genial, I read my bible because I believe, I don't read books that doesn't concern the Written Word of God, and I don't chase after false doctrines, but only the Word of God I seek.
All believers in Christ should come to Him in one accord-we all should seek after Christ, only Christ and Him only we shall serve.
If the bible say's pray to the Father in my private place, then I pray directly to Him. I don't listen to a man made teaching paganism tradition, nor will I pray through Mary, nor the saints, before I go to the Father. When Christ have given me a direct line to Him, believing in Christ means we obey the written Word of God, I pray to the Father, in Jesus name {Hebrews 6:16}
{Matthew 6:9-13}Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those, who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

Obeying the Lord is something I prefer to do, traditions from men, is something I prefer not to do. Man can not take me into heaven, man can not save me, 'No where in the bible does it say pray to another, other then the Father, it say's pray for one another-which we all do, in the name of Jesus.
Lukewarm is this, Christians, having one foot in the world, and the other foot in Christ, the highways or the narrow road! No-one can enter into the kingdom of God through a back door..
{Revelation 3:16} Because you are lukewarm-neither Hot {For God} or Cold {For God} I will spit you out of My mouth.
We are tested all day long-and are we connected to the vine, or did our branch break off..
9inches:


You should really get your mind out of the gutter. Why not ask me what my moniker means before insinuating.



What aspect of the Catholic Church's teachings concerning the bolded above do you find problematic?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 6:02pm On Jan 06
It's like this, at the end of the harvest we remove the tares from the wheat..
Ubenedictus:
if your husband does not belief in the holy spirit, does not believe in his gift and is not fervent in Godly things then he is not a Catholic.

Catholics are bound by a rule of faith that require them to believe both in the holy spirit and in his charism, a good Catholic is fervent in Godly things. if your husband does not believe in the HOLY spirit then he isn't practicing the Catholic faith he is just going to a Catholic Church.

you need to start praying earnestly
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 7:00pm On Jan 06
brocab:
I have search the net about the different literature's about different religions, but than it all comes back to the bible-who deny's it? Who worships and prays after another, what does the bible say, we pray directly to the Father in Heaven, who has the authority other then the Lord Jesus Christ? Who is our mediator between God and man..Whom do we seek.
Which of the Catholic's do I seek that claim the truth, the hole truth and nothing but the truth? If I was to say-I know Christ, do I follow another? Do I pray through Mary and the saints? Do I bow down to an image, is the Pope my god on earth? Do I seek a priest to forgive sins?
Is this written in the bible, "Certainly Not" whom do you seek?

What aspect of the Catholic Church's teachings concerning the bolded above do you find problematic or unbiblical?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 5:53am On Jan 07
Well again and again let me explain it to you, this way-if its not in the Word of God, then its a lie-and if the Catholic's are preaching another doctrine-that doesn't line up with the Word of God-then the Catholic's are lying to God, and His people.
Problematic or unbiblical? Did God say we must make images above, on earth or under the earth? {Exodus 20:4}
Did He say we must pray "TO" Mary and the saints? {Matthew 6:6}
Does {John 20:23} mean that Catholic priests can forgive sins? "No" it does not.
"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained," (John 20:23).
Context is king when interpreting scripture, and this is no exception. Let's take a look.
"When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.” {20} And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side.
The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord. {21} Jesus therefore said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” {22} And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. {23} “If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained,” (John 20:19-23)
Where does it say in the bible God gave the priest the authority the gift to forgive sins? {Psalm 130:4, Mark 2:5}
The context of {John 20:23} is that Jesus was speaking to the disciples (19). He breathed on them to receive the Holy Spirit (22).
There is nothing in here about priests having the authority to forgive sins. There is nothing here (or anywhere else in the New Testament) about apostolic succession that says priests have the authority to forgive sins and that it is passed down.
And yet the priest claim the apostle Peter handed down this gift, to them-is Peter "God?
The Bible does mention appointing elders (Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5) and that the disciples of Jesus had special authority (Matt. 16:18)
It speaks of the laying on of hands to receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:19) as well as ordaining men to the ministry
(1 Tim. 4:14; 2 Tim. 1:6; Titus 1:5)
At best, the laying on of hands deals with ordination--not apostolic authority being passed down. After all, they were ordaining elders and not apostles; and it was the apostles who were given the authority by Christ to do miracles and write scripture. Nothing is said here about apostolic authority being passed down.
If the Catholic's believe God is God, then serve God, in Spirit and in truth....
9inches:


What aspect of the Catholic Church's teachings concerning the bolded above do you find problematic or unbiblical?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 12:52pm On Jan 07
brocab:
Well again and again let me explain it to you, this way-if its not in the Word of God, then its a lie-and if the Catholic's are preaching another doctrine-that doesn't line up with the Word of God-then the Catholic's are lying to God, and His people.
Problematic or unbiblical? Did God say we must make images above, on earth or under the earth? {Exodus 20:4}
Did He say we must pray "TO" Mary and the saints? {Matthew 6:6}
Does {John 20:23} mean that Catholic priests can forgive sins? "No" it does not.
"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained," (John 20:23).
Context is king when interpreting scripture, and this is no exception. Let's take a look.
"When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and said to them, “Peace be with you.” {20} And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side.
The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord. {21} Jesus therefore said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” {22} And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. {23} “If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained,” (John 20:19-23)
Where does it say in the bible God gave the priest the authority the gift to forgive sins? {Psalm 130:4, Mark 2:5}
The context of {John 20:23} is that Jesus was speaking to the disciples (19). He breathed on them to receive the Holy Spirit (22).
There is nothing in here about priests having the authority to forgive sins. There is nothing here (or anywhere else in the New Testament) about apostolic succession that says priests have the authority to forgive sins and that it is passed down.
And yet the priest claim the apostle Peter handed down this gift, to them-is Peter "God?
The Bible does mention appointing elders (Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5) and that the disciples of Jesus had special authority (Matt. 16:18)
It speaks of the laying on of hands to receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:19) as well as ordaining men to the ministry
(1 Tim. 4:14; 2 Tim. 1:6; Titus 1:5)
At best, the laying on of hands deals with ordination--not apostolic authority being passed down. After all, they were ordaining elders and not apostles; and it was the apostles who were given the authority by Christ to do miracles and write scripture. Nothing is said here about apostolic authority being passed down.
If the Catholic's believe God is God, then serve God, in Spirit and in truth....

9inches:


What aspect of the Catholic Church's teachings concerning the bolded above do you find problematic or unbiblical?
I see you are dodging my question, deliberately.

2nd question: Is the bible the only rule of faith?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:56pm On Jan 07
Maybe if you were to get down to the point of how you would like me to answer your dodgy questions, you may receive a rightful answer..Your-Question: "What is the rule of faith?"
Answer: The phrase rule of faith does not appear in the Bible. It was first used in a statement by the early church writer Tertullian in his On Prescription Against Heretics.
The rule of faith is the set of standards that define a religion. Biblical Christianity holds the Bible to be its only rule of faith. The rule of faith may be different for different groups. In some cases, the standards are similar. In others, what may seem similar actually presents a vast and significant distinction.
Rules of faith in most religions rely on something other than or in addition to the Word of God, thereby denying the sufficiency of Scripture. Since the earliest days of Christianity, this heresy has survived and flourished.
The rule of faith among the Gnostics of the first century was based on the Scriptures plus a mystical knowledge gained only by those who had achieved a higher plane of enlightenment.
In direct contradiction to the Word of God, the Gnostics taught that salvation comes not by grace alone through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8–9) but by divine knowledge or some inner light possessed only by those of elevated spirituality.
Evangelical Protestants hold to the Bible alone as their rule of faith. This reflects their belief in the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture, which declares that the Bible alone is adequate to guide the Christian in all matters of faith and practice.
According to {2 Timothy 3:16–17} the Scriptures are profitable to make the believer “thoroughly equipped for every good work.” If we are thoroughly equipped by the Word of God, nothing more is needed. There are no degrees of “thoroughness.” To say we need something more than the Bible as a rule of faith is to say we are made “partially thoroughly” equipped by the Bible and need something more to make us “completely thoroughly” equipped.
Roman Catholicism adds to the Bible and expands the rule of faith. Catholics look to both “written books and unwritten traditions,” thereby adding to the Bible the declarations of popes and bishops, papal bulls, and various councils. Catholics believe the Bible is God’s Word, but it is incomplete without the addition of these writings of men.
One can justify a belief in just about anything if that belief is based on tradition, reason, and/or experience. Jesus expressly forbade equating tradition with Scripture as part of the rule of faith, accusing the Pharisees of nullifying the Word of God for the sake of their traditions (Mark 7:6–13)
Once the Word of God is rejected as the only rule of faith and practice, the door to heresy is opened and the genie is not easily put back into the bottle.
While it may be argued that the writers of the gospels and the epistles were offering their views and interpretations as they wrote, this is not the same as the declarations of the popes and bishops of Catholicism or of men like Joseph Smith. The New Testament writers were moved supernaturally by the Holy Spirit, who is the ultimate Author of Scripture. The biblical writers “spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21)
The Bible itself asserts that believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19) who teaches, interprets, brings truths to mind (John 14:26) and guides us into all truth (John 16:13)
For evangelical Christians, the Word of God and its Author are the true rule of faith. This is not to say that preachers and teachers are unnecessary. But the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture is a cornerstone of the evangelical rule of faith.
9inches:



I see you are dodging my question, deliberately.

2nd question: Is the bible the only rule of faith?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 9:18am On Jan 08
brocab:
Maybe if you were to get down to the point of how you would like me to answer your dodgy questions, you may receive a rightful answer..Your-Question: "What is the rule of faith?"
Answer: The phrase rule of faith does not appear in the Bible. It was first used in a statement by the early church writer Tertullian in his On Prescription Against Heretics.
The rule of faith is the set of standards that define a religion. Biblical Christianity holds the Bible to be its only rule of faith. The rule of faith may be different for different groups. In some cases, the standards are similar. In others, what may seem similar actually presents a vast and significant distinction.
Rules of faith in most religions rely on something other than or in addition to the Word of God, thereby denying the sufficiency of Scripture. Since the earliest days of Christianity, this heresy has survived and flourished.
The rule of faith among the Gnostics of the first century was based on the Scriptures plus a mystical knowledge gained only by those who had achieved a higher plane of enlightenment.
In direct contradiction to the Word of God, the Gnostics taught that salvation comes not by grace alone through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8–9) but by divine knowledge or some inner light possessed only by those of elevated spirituality.
Evangelical Protestants hold to the Bible alone as their rule of faith. This reflects their belief in the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture, which declares that the Bible alone is adequate to guide the Christian in all matters of faith and practice.
According to {2 Timothy 3:16–17} the Scriptures are profitable to make the believer “thoroughly equipped for every good work.” If we are thoroughly equipped by the Word of God, nothing more is needed. There are no degrees of “thoroughness.” To say we need something more than the Bible as a rule of faith is to say we are made “partially thoroughly” equipped by the Bible and need something more to make us “completely thoroughly” equipped.
Roman Catholicism adds to the Bible and expands the rule of faith. Catholics look to both “written books and unwritten traditions,” thereby adding to the Bible the declarations of popes and bishops, papal bulls, and various councils. Catholics believe the Bible is God’s Word, but it is incomplete without the addition of these writings of men.
One can justify a belief in just about anything if that belief is based on tradition, reason, and/or experience. Jesus expressly forbade equating tradition with Scripture as part of the rule of faith, accusing the Pharisees of nullifying the Word of God for the sake of their traditions (Mark 7:6–13)
Once the Word of God is rejected as the only rule of faith and practice, the door to heresy is opened and the genie is not easily put back into the bottle.
While it may be argued that the writers of the gospels and the epistles were offering their views and interpretations as they wrote, this is not the same as the declarations of the popes and bishops of Catholicism or of men like Joseph Smith. The New Testament writers were moved supernaturally by the Holy Spirit, who is the ultimate Author of Scripture. The biblical writers “spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21)
The Bible itself asserts that believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19) who teaches, interprets, brings truths to mind (John 14:26) and guides us into all truth (John 16:13)
For evangelical Christians, the Word of God and its Author are the true rule of faith. This is not to say that preachers and teachers are unnecessary. But the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture is a cornerstone of the evangelical rule of faith.

You don't have to quote verbatim a whole article to answer an easy question. One or few excerpts would have been fine although that's not what I expect for an answer. However, the article sort of dodged the question. It's like the author was arguing with himself.

Again, is the bible the only rule of faith?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by Dnaz(m): 11:44am On Jan 08
The Bible is not the sole rule of the Christian faith

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Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:49pm On Jan 08
Well again and again let me explain it to you, this way-if its not in the Word of God that is written in the bible, then its a lie-and if the Catholic's fill they need to add other doctrines-that doesn't already line up with the Word of God-then it's a lie..
{2 Timothy 3:16} says that all Scripture is “God-breathed.” His Word sometimes gives us a warning, a word of encouragement, or a lesson for life. It’s ”His-story”–written with love as God’s guide for life, “so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
9inches:


You don't have to quote verbatim a whole article to answer an easy question. One or few excerpts would have been fine although that's not what I expect for an answer. However, the article sort of dodged the question. It's like the author was arguing with himself.

Again, is the bible the only rule of faith?
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:51pm On Jan 08
Because you haven't the slightest idea who God is, you need other books to satisfy you religious needs..
Dnaz:
The Bible is not the sole rule of the Christian faith
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:04pm On Jan 08
God does speak to people today. First, God speaks to us through His Word {2 Timothy 3:16–17, Isaiah 55:11} tells us, “So is my word that goes out from my mouth: it will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.” The Bible is God’s Word, everything we need to know in order to be saved and live the Christian life.
{2 Peter 1:3} declares, “His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of Him who called us by his own glory and goodness.”
If God were to speak today, His words would be in full agreement with what He has said in the Bible {2 Timothy 3:16–17} God does not contradict Himself.
God never tells it from another book, you Catholic's may think you have all the answers adding different books to match God, but the bible was written for us to know God, God doesn't speak to us through other books, but God can “speak” to us through events—i.e., He can guide us through arranging our circumstances. And God helps us to discern right from wrong through our consciences (1 Timothy 1:5;1 Peter 3:16)
God is in the process of conforming our minds to think His thoughts (Romans 12:2)
God allows events to occur in our lives to direct us, change us, and help us to grow spiritually {James 1:2–5;Hebrews 12:5–11}
{1 Peter 1:6–7} reminds us, “In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.
These are scriptures out of the bible-I didn't use other books to confer this information.
God may sometimes speak audibly to people. It is highly doubtful, though, that this occurs as often as some people claim it does. Again, even in the Bible, God speaking audibly is the exception, not the ordinary. If anyone claims that God has spoken to him or her, always compare what is said with what the Bible says. If God were to speak today, His words would be in full agreement with what He has said in the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16–17) God does not contradict Himself.
Re: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by 9inches(m): 1:37am On Jan 09
brocab:
Well again and again let me explain it to you, this way-if its not in the Word of God that is written in the bible, then its a lie-and if the Catholic's fill they need to add other doctrines-that doesn't already line up with the Word of God-then it's a lie..
{2 Timothy 3:16} says that all Scripture is “God-breathed.” His Word sometimes gives us a warning, a word of encouragement, or a lesson for life. It’s ”His-story”–written with love as God’s guide for life, “so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

You are still evading the question. Is the bible the only rule of faith?

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