trillville:


Yes
The only thing stopping them is the Nigerian army.

This brings about the question of civil war. While it is morally justifiable for resources on land in the Niger delta to be considered Niger delta resources, will the western world also support the idea of the resources in the ocean belonging to the niger delta? What happens in the case of a civil war. Winner takes all

Why must there be civil war? Why is Nigeria not fighting for the resources eg, Ghana? Why must the North fight for resources in another country, let assume ND is a country

asha80:
so practising federalism(not this pseudo federalism we are running now) is not good abi?

We all want true Federalism with stronger states and a less powerful centre. But that does not equate to resource control.

Let's join the SE and SW to increase the advocacy for true federalism that also ensures oil producing states get more revenue than they are getting now.

This is far more achievable in the Nigerian context.

truefact:

Why must there be civil war? Why is Nigeria not fighting for the resources eg, Ghana? Why must the North fight for resources in another country, let assume ND is a country

The world operates in a system and this system requires balance. There are only two ways of attaining balance, the international court or war.

Right now there is geopolitical balance in West Africa. If Nigeria were to claim ownership of Ghana's resources, this will create an imbalance in the system which will be resolved either through war or the international court. Allied countries such as America and Britain may even have to choose sides on which country to support.

Now, if the Niger Delta were to secede, this will also create an imbalance in the system. America and Britain may support the idea that the onshore resources belong to the Niger Delta, but not the resources in the Atlantic Ocean because at present, the oil belongs to Nigeria as a whole and the Niger Deltans do not live on the Atlantic Ocean.

Take the bakassi incident. Jonathan was compelled by the court to hand over the land to Cameroun but he could have chosen to go to war to defend the Nigerians at bakassi. I believe that Nigeria as a country shares oil revenues from the bakassi region with the Cameroonian government as part of the court settlement reached between the two countries but today, cross river is no longer considered an oil producing state.

edogirl2:



Please tell us what your state contributed to the Federal purse before it started producing oil.

Let us negotiate a higher derivation, you say no. It must be resource control.


But when asked how you will achieve it, you people fall silent.

Those where the days of cash crops and all regions had what they produced and add to the federal purse
the farmers where always indigence of their regions and they get settled for their labour
government buys of them and sells out.
Now everyone parasites on crude oil, the relationship now is purely a parasitic one!

trillville:


Not according to the Nigerian constitution. In fact all resources belong to the federal government under our constitution.

Parasitic Constitution!!

trillville:


The only thing I have against Jonathan is his failure to seize the oil wells. As for development in the Niger delta, I am in full support of developing the region and making the lives of people there better.

Your comments on countries not fighting over land is a bit funny coz a few months ago, Russia went to war with Ukraine over Crimea.

Well cheers!!! Have a good weekend.

That of Ukraine and Russia over Crimea is a territorial war and its out of contest of what we saying just like when Isreal , Just like Palestine and Isreal fight over Jerusalem

trillville:


The world operates in a system and this system requires balance. There are only two ways of attaining balance, the international court or war.

Right now there is geopolitical balance in West Africa. If Nigeria were to claim ownership of Ghana's resources, this will create an imbalance in the system which will be resolved either through war or the international court. Allied countries such as America and Britain may even have to choose sides on which country to support.

Now, if the Niger Delta were to secede, this will also create an imbalance in the system. America and Britain may support the idea that the onshore resources belong to the Niger Delta, but not the resources in the Atlantic Ocean because at present, the oil belongs to Nigeria as a whole and the Niger Deltans do not live on the Atlantic Ocean.

Take the bakassi incident. Jonathan was compelled by the court to hand over the land to Cameroun but he could have chosen to go to war to defend the Nigerians at bakassi. I believe that Nigeria as a country shares oil revenues from the bakassi region with the Cameroonian government as part of the court settlement reached between the two countries but today, cross river is no longer considered an oil producing state.

What does your state contribute to the federal purse? that's the bone of contention. This whole thing is purely parasitic

edogirl2:


If you are in a family, and you happen to be blessed than others, it seems reasonable and humane to want to extend your blessings to the other members of the family.


My proposal will increase the benefit to the ND whilst ensuring that other members of the 'Nigerian family' also gets something.

There is nothing like family about Nigeria. Even Nigeria does not look like a dysfunctional family. I suggest you start with intelligible premise in order to forestall wrong analogy.

Chiaka:


That of Ukraine and Russia over Crimea is a territorial war and its out of contest of what we saying just like when Isreal , Just like Palestine and Isreal fight over Jerusalem

Now you are confusing me. If Nigeria were to fight the Niger delta over the territorial ownership of the area in the Atlantic Ocean with oil, how is that different from Russia and Ukraine.

Sweetheart, stop troubling urself about politics, today is Friday, go chill with ur friends. Have fun!!! Life is too short.

trillville:


Now you are confusing me. If Nigeria were to fight the Niger delta over the territorial ownership of the area in the Atlantic Ocean with oil, how is that different from Russia and Ukraine.

Sweetheart, stop troubling urself about politics, today is Friday, go chill with ur friends. Have fun!!! Life is too short.

Those water territory belongs to Niger-Delta, Just like Lagos has it water territory ok.

trillville:


Now you are confusing me. If Nigeria were to fight the Niger delta over the territorial ownership of the area in the Atlantic Ocean with oil, how is that different from Russia and Ukraine.

Sweetheart, stop troubling urself about politics, today is Friday, go chill with ur friends. Have fun!!! Life is too short.

Those water territory belongs to Niger-Delta, Just like Lagos has it water territory ok.
If there has to be fight again! its wont easy both ways now. Better to part peacefully or Unite with understanding and not this parasitic system we have for now, it has to be improved

Chiaka:


Those water territory belongs to Niger-Delta, Just like Lagos has it water territory ok.
If there has to be fight again! its wont easy both ways now. Better to part peacefully or Unite with understanding and not this parasitic system we have for now, it has to be improved

Who told you this lie

eCollynzo:
This is another case of false dilemma. Extricating from Nigeria is not the only way to get resource control, also extricating from Nigeria does not have to be through a war.

i would like to know d other ways to 1. Get resource control 2. 'extricate' without war

It would be very interesting to watch from a distance. With all the empowered thugs in the nd, any kind of secession would be setting them up for decades of bloody war. We have seen what their so called militants are made of, building universities outside Nigeria, and we have seem how they have already made the area a bad environment for 90% of foreign operators who have some sort of accountability on the environment, even if only to shareholders. You think the Chinese give a damn about pollution or sustainable development?

I laugh, becos Nigeria is not feasible too. No talk for agreement no one Nigeria. And it can never happen by accident.

trillville:


Who told you this lie

You are the one with the lie!! Nonsense!

edogirl2:
Advocates of resource control want the Federal govt to cede control of the management (including revenue) of the oil and gas resources to the producing areas, with the latter paying a subvention to the centre.


This is unrealistic in the current environment.


1. Effectively, militants will decide each month whether to release monthly subventions to the Federal govt. Basically, if Boy Loaf and the rest of them are unhappy about anything, they can decide, yep! no money for you people this month. It's our resources. Go to hell! So, millions of civil servants and the armed forces will go hungry for months.

2. With producing states swimming in billions of dollars, it is only a matter of time before new and more powerful militants and warlords emerge and start fighting each other for control of the region. Meanwhile, unpaid and hungry Federal armed forces will be too demotivated to restore order in the region. Welcome to the new South Sudan.

3. New, powerful and extremely rich Niger Delta states will be fodder for international arms traders who will flood the place ready to do business. Rogue states like North Korea will warms its way into the heart of militants with the supply of sophisticated weaponry. Meanwhile, a lame, financially - deprived, and powerless (no power without money) Federal govt will run to the African Union and UN begging for intervention. Our President will be travelling to South Africa every other week to 'lobby' for military help. Yep, South Africa and Ghana.

No one wants this type of Nigeria.

ND should negotiate a 20% increase on the present 13% derivation payments. That should take us to 15.6%. Further increase can be negotiated in the future.

The granting of oil blocks should be subject to public scrutiny and not just be a matter for a President's exclusive preserve

The corrupt and failing NDDC should be reorganised to allow transparency

There should be a gradual phasing out of payments to militants

A strict, highly punitive, and effective regime for environmental pollution should be put in place.


ND oil can and should be used judiciously for the benefit of all Nigerians.

Oil producing countries are not the richest countries in the world. Stop being stupid² publicly.

trillville:


Yes
The only thing stopping them is the Nigerian army.

This brings about the question of civil war. While it is morally justifiable for resources on land in the Niger delta to be considered Niger delta resources, will the western world also support the idea of the resources in the ocean belonging to the niger delta? What happens in the case of a civil war. Winner takes all

""will the western world also support the idea of the resources in the ocean belonging to the niger delta?""
""


Stop deceiving ur self in public. Each nation that bothers with the sea is not allowed to own the seas by the western world. There's a way a countries land mass is multipled to show which quantity of the ocean belongs to them.

There's no misunderstanding in that regard.

edogirl2:


If you are in a family, and you happen to be blessed than others, it seems reasonable and humane to want to extend your blessings to the other members of the family.


My proposal will increase the benefit to the ND whilst ensuring that other members of the 'Nigerian family' also gets something.

why are all these coming now? why did they not tell Jonathan to do this? Even the confab report came to him 8 months before his exit, why did he not implement it? Ppl like asari dokubo had money enough to build university in Benin republic but nothing for their people they calim to be fighting for.

texazzpete:


Don't mind the greedy people who will come and condemn you. Your proposals are fair enough. Resource control really has no chance of being put in place in Nigeria for the next few decades. The smart play is to negotiate an increase in the derivation payments and build on that.

You abduct a young virgin and serially rape her and when she escapes you the rapists has the audacity to go to her father and demand he hands are back to you because you have already spoilt her.


That is the logic here and it shows how criminal minded the average Nigerian is

1025:


why are all these coming now? why did they not tell Jonathan to do this? Even the confab report came to him 8 months before his exit, why did he not implement it? Ppl like asari dokubo had money enough to build university in Benin republic but nothing for their people they calim to be fighting for.

Please!

All the oil money stolen by your own leaders since 1970 what have they done with it?

You forget that ND states only started getting the paltry 13% derrivation in 2003 and you expect us to be on par with Dubai?

edogirl2:
Advocates of resource control want the Federal govt to cede control of the management (including revenue) of the oil and gas resources to the producing areas, with the latter paying a subvention to the centre.


This is unrealistic in the current environment.


1. Effectively, militants will decide each month whether to release monthly subventions to the Federal govt. Basically, if Boy Loaf and the rest of them are unhappy about anything, they can decide, yep! no money for you people this month. It's our resources. Go to hell! So, millions of civil servants and the armed forces will go hungry for months.

2. With producing states swimming in billions of dollars, it is only a matter of time before new and more powerful militants and warlords emerge and start fighting each other for control of the region. Meanwhile, unpaid and hungry Federal armed forces will be too demotivated to restore order in the region. Welcome to the new South Sudan.

3. New, powerful and extremely rich Niger Delta states will be fodder for international arms traders who will flood the place ready to do business. Rogue states like North Korea will warms its way into the heart of militants with the supply of sophisticated weaponry. Meanwhile, a lame, financially - deprived, and powerless (no power without money) Federal govt will run to the African Union and UN begging for intervention. Our President will be travelling to South Africa every other week to 'lobby' for military help. Yep, South Africa and Ghana.

No one wants this type of Nigeria.

ND should negotiate a 20% increase on the present 13% derivation payments. That should take us to 15.6%. Further increase can be negotiated in the future.

The granting of oil blocks should be subject to public scrutiny and not just be a matter for a President's exclusive preserve

The corrupt and failing NDDC should be reorganised to allow transparency

There should be a gradual phasing out of payments to militants

A strict, highly punitive, and effective regime for environmental pollution should be put in place.


ND oil can and should be used judiciously for the benefit of all Nigerians.

when I started reading this post I thought your post will have educational ingredients but it was not quite long before I realised that you don't even have idea about what you are writing about. But never too late because you can make your research to know the definition of true federalism and you can make use of United States of America, Canada, Germany and so on. Its only within Arab Leagues that are practicing the Unity system that we are calling Federalism. Though, it has been classified as federalism in Nigeria definition.

See igbo people defending Niger-delta interests, and yet these we south-south people will come and start talking rubbish about how igbos want to drink their oil.
smh.
Why do we even bother?

PrecisionFx:




""will the western world also support the idea of the resources in the ocean belonging to the niger delta?""
""


Stop deceiving ur self in public. Each nation that bothers with the sea is not allowed to own the seas by the western world. There's a way a countries land mass is multipled to show which quantity of the ocean belongs to them.

There's no misunderstanding in that regard.

Although my view on this issue has changed dramatically, my point still stands.

Alaska only shares a border with Canada, yet it is still part of America.

When issues of the magnitude are to be resolved, negotiations must come into play.

trillville:


Although my view on this issue has changed dramatically, my point still stands.

Alaska only shares a border with Canada, yet it is still part of America.

When issues of the magnitude are to be resolved, negotiations must come into play.

I don't understand ur issue with Alaska, but Alaska is Russia property. They sold it to America.


it's good that ur opinion has changed on that aspect.