plaetton:

Lol.
Fa fa fa foul.

You are flat wrong sir.
Homo sapiens have walked the earth for at least 250,000 years.

What you meant to say is that we don't know much of uur history beyond the last 6,000 yrs.

malvisguy212:


I have nothing to say concerning the rest of your post, but this;

" 3, The earth is 4.7 billion years old, not
6,000 yrs old."

This is wrong,nairaland started 2005 if I am not mistaken but you (pleatton) joined 2011, did you understand my points? The universe is 4.7billion years old but man began to exist 6000 years ago.

malvisguy212:
this is where the argument began, are homo sapiens humans? If you believe in evolution, it dosent mean everyone hold the same believe with you.

johnydon22:


actually you went against the biblical belief when you asserted the earth was 4.7billion years old as science stipulated... Nobody believes evolution, its just a scientific study and is still on going. . You don't believe studies, you learn them and study the datas provided..

Anomnity:

I call someone a sinner where God calls him one according to His word. And I'm not exempted if I commit sin and neither are you.

johnydon22:


I think you need to correct that scientific blunder bro. . . dating with scientific refrence, the universe is stipulated to have begun 13.8billion years ago...

Anatomically modern
humans evolved from archaic Homo sapiens in the Middle Paleolithic ,
about 200,000 years ago... earliest hominids are dated to have been around like 5million years ago...

Invention of writing started 6,000years ago by sumerian.. (cuneiform) and that was when record keeping started. . cave paintings have been found to date back 35-50 thousand years ago...

anyway carry on with your thread...

i.e : Its just scientific corrections not johnydon's assertions.

malvisguy212:
read through the thread bro, you are not sincere here, it was pleatton who first make this claimed and I dance to his tone just for argument sake.

johnydon22:


No boss, actually it was just a correction... as you can see i bolded the part you said the universe was 4.7billion years

malvisguy212:
My point is, we have taken such a stand
against homosexuality that I think its
beyond repair. We have singled this sin
out almost as an exception and a whole
Of Gay community practically hates us.

As a christian do you think Gay love you?Do most people realize how seriously our attitude hurts the message of the gospel? Loving Gay doesent mean you are Gay, But more so, are there exceptions to what Christ said? Love your neighbour as yourself. If we are to love them, does it mean we need to see what kind of sins they do first? Can Christ save a liar but not a homosexual?

I am not disrespecting anyone's views or
efforts, I am not even trying to blame all
Christians, just saying we as Christians
may need to tone it down a little bit. We
have gained nothing.
I guess bottom line is, whatever you hold to, at least show love, respect and
understanding, not pointed fingers.
Eyes are of no use when the mind is
blind.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” He thought for a moment, then added: “ I think am done here , I am very disappointed at the moderators in this section, I was hoping this message reach the home page so that christians all over the world will learn. Anyway, God know better.

malvisguy212:
A true christian don't judge other people, calling another person sinner while you are the worst is hypocrisy.

stockmetrics:


Calling another sinner while admitting one's flaws doesn't make one a hypocrite.

malvisguy212:
are you a christian?is there anything wrong with my post you qoute?

stockmetrics:


Well, I do not think my statement has a link to any religion. It just stands to reason as said.

The only issue I have with your statement (which I quoted) is that it seems to spare no time to detect the hypocrite and I tried to give a caveat to it.

Cheers.

Anas09:
Mr plaetton, wats ur grudge wif what Malvis wrote up there? R u guy? If u don't want to be judged then repent. As much as I won't support judgement, shdnt u be told wants wrong while u can still make amends. And this guy didn't say anyfin wrong, if anyfin, he blamed the christians, but you go on and on? REPENT and start the walk before it gets too late, worrizit sef.

chalantmike:
You cant love the sinner and hate the sin or character, the two are not mutually exclusive. The Christian view and response to homosexuality is both one of fear and concern, lest the sins of there neighbor rubs off on them. Have yhu forgotten what happened when the children of Israel blend or move about with foreigners and there false worship, after awhile the children of became copy cat, joining there neighbors in there sin.

Leviticus 15:31

“You must
keep the Israelites separate from things
that make them unclean, so they will not
die in their uncleanness for defiling my
dwelling place, which is among
them ”



2 Corinthians 6:14-18

Do not be yoked together with
unbelievers. For what do
righteousness and wickedness
have in common? Or what
fellowship can light have with
darkness? What harmony is there
between Christ and Belial? What
does a believer have in common
with an unbeliever? What
agreement is there between the
temple of God and idols? For we
are the temple of the living God.
As God has said: "I will live with
them and walk among them, and I
will be their God, and they will be
my people." "Therefore come out
from them and be separate, says
the Lord. Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you ." "I will be
a Father to you, and you will be
my sons and daughters, says the
Lord Almighty"


The trick to the question of homosexuality and Christianity, is one of indifference not sympathy , or been affiliate, its not a question of tolerating , supporting or tolerance, it a question of been indifferent to the sin of homosexuality.
Every gay knows that the moment an individual is afflicted with the homosexual theme, a part of that individual can relate to that sin of homosexuality, that's why Christians are hostile towards the sin of homosexuality, its more a less a defence or preservative mechanism to show that NO PART IF THEM IS AFFILIATED OR CAN RELATE THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY "of cause thats a wrong approach"

Study the reaction and response of Christ to the adulterous woman

John 8:10-11
Then Jesus stood up again and said
to the woman, “Where are your accusers?
Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
“No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin
no more.”

What part of christ response showed sympathy or that he condoned her sins?, was there any particular emotional response either positive or negative in Jesus's reaction.
I PUT IT TO YOU THAT IF THE RESPONSE OF CHRIST OR HIS REACTION WAS EITHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, THE TEACHERS IF THE LAW AND THE PHARISEES WOULD HAVE USED IT AGAINST, CAUSE THE SIN IF ADULTERY IS VERY TOUCHY SUBJECT TO THE JEWS ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF MOSES, PLUS THE PENALITY EQUIVALENT TO THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY.

THE NIGGA WAS EVEN DRAWING ON THE SAND TO SHOW HOW INDIFFERENT AND ABSENT MINDED HE WAS TO HER SIN.

chalantmike:
You cant love the sinner and hate the sin or character, the two are not mutually exclusive. The Christian view and response to homosexuality is both one of fear and concern, lest the sins of there neighbor rubs off on them. Have yhu forgotten what happened when the children of Israel blend or move about with foreigners and there false worship, after awhile the children of became copy cat, joining there neighbors in there sin.

Leviticus 15:31

“You must
keep the Israelites separate from things
that make them unclean, so they will not
die in their uncleanness for defiling my
dwelling place, which is among
them ”



2 Corinthians 6:14-18

Do not be yoked together with
unbelievers. For what do
righteousness and wickedness
have in common? Or what
fellowship can light have with
darkness? What harmony is there
between Christ and Belial? What
does a believer have in common
with an unbeliever? What
agreement is there between the
temple of God and idols? For we
are the temple of the living God.
As God has said: "I will live with
them and walk among them, and I
will be their God, and they will be
my people." "Therefore come out
from them and be separate, says
the Lord. Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you ." "I will be
a Father to you, and you will be
my sons and daughters, says the
Lord Almighty"


The trick to the question of homosexuality and Christianity, is one of indifference not sympathy , or been affiliate, its not a question of tolerating , supporting or tolerance, it a question of been indifferent to the sin of homosexuality.
Every gay knows that the moment an individual is afflicted with the homosexual theme, a part of that individual can relate to that sin of homosexuality, that's why Christians are hostile towards the sin of homosexuality, its more a less a defence or preservative mechanism to show that NO PART IF THEM IS AFFILIATED OR CAN RELATE THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY "of cause thats a wrong approach"

Study the reaction and response of Christ to the adulterous woman

John 8:10-11
Then Jesus stood up again and said
to the woman, “Where are your accusers?
Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
“No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin
no more.”

What part of christ response showed sympathy or that he condoned her sins?, was there any particular emotional response either positive or negative in Jesus's reaction.
I PUT IT TO YOU THAT IF THE RESPONSE OF CHRIST OR HIS REACTION WAS EITHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, THE TEACHERS IF THE LAW AND THE PHARISEES WOULD HAVE USED IT AGAINST, CAUSE THE SIN IF ADULTERY IS VERY TOUCHY SUBJECT TO THE JEWS ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF MOSES, PLUS THE PENALITY EQUIVALENT TO THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY.

THE NIGGA WAS EVEN DRAWING ON THE SAND TO SHOW HOW INDIFFERENT AND ABSENT MINDED HE WAS TO HER SIN.

malvisguy212:
before I open this thread, I read of a brother who only find out 'he was Gay' he wept and feel so sad and then he ask a question,how can I UN-GAY myself? Gay are rejected in every community.going by your post, how can a christian help the Gay?

malvisguy212:
before I open this thread, I read of a brother who only find out 'he was Gay' he wept and feel so sad and then he ask a question,how can I UN-GAY myself? Gay are rejected in every community.going by your post, how can a christian help the Gay?

plaetton:


This funny, and again showcases the HALF-THINKING that is an integral part of religious faith.

For example, if someone "finds out" that he is gay, then it's obvious that he did not CHOOSE to be gay. It automatically implies that he was BORN gay.

chalantmike:
i guess we could say that, but in reality no one is born gay or straight, as it is evident to the non existence of gay gene or chromosome. Human sexuality is very complex and complicated. YOU CAN ALREADY BE WHAT YOU HOPE TO BECOME AT THE END OF A JOURNEY OF SELF DISCOVERY. Growing up at one point we all thought the mouth and anus, were meant for edification and defecation respectively , at one point we discovered its so not so, pleasure could be achieved from does parts. Thats discovery. The ability of a straight guy to turn of his gay tendencies, find them irritating and offensive makes him straight, the pleasure derived from homosexual act by said individual makes him gay, plus his ability to ignore his straight tendencies, then we have the BI who derive pleasure from both acts. Lets just say discovery and ability makes the difference. The same way a heterosexual discovered his ability to have erection for the opposite sex at a tender age. Is the same way the gays discovered there own ability for the same sex. Every man possess an ability to swing both way, that tendency is always present, the one which appeals to you more than the other is you.

plaetton:


This is funny, and again showcases the HALF-THINKING that is an integral part of religious faith.

For example, if someone "finds out" that he is gay, then it's obvious that he did not CHOOSE to be gay. It automatically implies that he was BORN gay.

And in Christian common sense, it you are born male or female, God created you so.
If you are born, white or black skinned, god created you so.
If you are born left or right handed, God created you so.
If you are born tall or short, god created you so.

Shouldn't the same rule of belief apply if you are born gay or straight?

This idea that gos hates being gay is eerily similar to saying that god hates being black, a convenient excuse for hating and subjecting the black race to thousands of years of slavery and inequities.

Its funny that anytime some one defends the rights and dignity of gays here, these half-thinkers revert to calling one gay or gay sympathizer.

Pity.
People of Africa descent should be the last people on earth to discriminate, hate or disparage anyone or any group for simply being who they were born(created) to be.
Homophobia and racism are one and the same.

chalantmike:
every christain should take a page from Christ, "GO AND SIN NO MORE", there was no judgement, no promise or hope of redemption, no follow up remedies as the 21st century christain. HE JUST SAID "GO AND SIN NO MORE". REMEMBER that same women came back to worship at his feet, christ wasnt remotely pertinacious. I think thats the best offence or defence a Christian could take.
Go and sin no more was an advice not a command.

plaetton:

This is very contradictory and meaningless. No offence intended.
You first agree, or half agree,
that people are born gay, then you quickly disagree by invoking the complexity of human sexuality ( a candid admission that you don't understand it).

It's funny that when Christians don't understand something complex, they attribute it to god, except in this case. Lol.

Since god is supposedly the author, architect and grand puppet master of life, can you not conceive, in your faith- inspired wisdom, that nature(God's agent) inserted this quark, androgyny, sexual ambiguation, in the human biology for an ultimate purpose, to perhaps checkmate or spurn something ?
Think about this.

Given that homosexuals have been known to be very creative, have played a major roles in human civilization, can you not conceive that androgyny , gender ambiguation, and its associated traits of homosexuality might just be part of the grand design of the supposed creator of life and the universe?

Funny again, that when the going gets tough, Christians invoke the fact that,
" God's ways are a mystery onto man " .
But yet, they claim to know for sure that god didn't create homosexuals.

Religion simply means make it up as you go.

malvisguy212:
as an atheist, is homosexual a sin? it may not be a sin to you because you are an atheist, but as a christian, it a sin.God created man and the first law he gave to man is ,be fruitful and MULTIPLY, if homosexual is not bad, there may be a possibility that you( pleatton)will not exist.so you see, God set a law that will benefit mankind and in this era of Grace and love, we as a christians should treat everybody with love .

malvisguy212:
how will you tell someone,Go and sin no more? Read where Jesus say this word( go and sin no more) what make the sinner come to Jesus in the first place? Jesus seat with sinner and tax collectors ate with them. I have a scripture for you;

James 2:15-17;
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is
without clothes and daily food. 16 If one
of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep
warm and well fed,” BUT DOES NOTHING ABOUT THEIR PHYSICAL NEEDS , what good is
it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it
is not accompanied by ACTION, is dead.

You cannot tell a sinner, go and sin no more when you don't love them.

malvisguy212:
as an atheist, is homosexual a sin? it may not be a sin to you because you are an atheist, but as a christian, it a sin.God created man and the first law he gave to man is ,be fruitful and MULTIPLY, if homosexual is not bad, there may be a possibility that you( pleatton)will not exist.so you see, God set a law that will benefit mankind and in this era of Grace and love, we as a christians should treat everybody with love .

plaetton:


Gosh!
Are you guys terminally deaf?
This is why I refer to you guys as half-thinkers. It's like you brain can only process half of the issues presented to you, while conveniently ignoring the rest.

I have repeated many many times here that the issue is not whether it's a sin or not. Afterall, there are 66 or more sinful prohibitions in your bible.
My question, which I have repeated many times, and for which you have all failed to answer is :
Why is homosexuality more sinful, much more hated by Christians than other common sins that YOU commit every single day.

This is where we find the hypocrisy of religious faith.

Pls pls address this.