Jagoon:


I can confirm to you that he is a yoruba muslim. As you know yoruba muslims are considered inferior to their northern counterparts who are also considered as arab slaves.

perfect answer

Jagoon:



Must you always add al taqquiya to your poorly thought out posts? First and second world war had absolutely nothing to do with christianity or any religion. The crusaders were established to defend Europe against the marauding evil jihadists after they over ran Spain and we're attempting to take over France. Crusaders was a creation of the jihadists as if the evil jihadists did not perpetuate their evil agenda there would have been no need to establish the crusaders to repel them.

The expansion of Islam to Europe was stopped 300years before the Crusades started. The first Crusade was called by Pope Urban II to drive Muslims from Palestine and its environs. Muslims weren't at war with christains, but they came from Europe killing Muslims, Arab Christians, Jews and all those that opposed them. In the siege of 'Marra' the Crusaders ate dead bodies of Arabs, yes, they did. What's amazing was that, they were all anointed by the Pope.

No reasonable Christian would ever defend the atrocities of the Crusaders, in fact many Christians are embarrassed to what they did. So don't come here and twist history!

@bolded, I sha know say Adolf Hitler was a baptised Christian, in fact there were Catholic Priests running concentration camps meant for children. Christians slaughtered each other like beasts and yet you open your mouth and say sh't?!

Jagoon:


I can confirm to you that I'm a yoruba Christian. As you know yoruba Christians are considered inferior because we were blacks, who were taken to Europe and America for slavery. We as slaves were forcefully converted into Christianity, haven't you wondered why White Priests like violating our Nyashes!? Even though yoruba Muslims are mostly tolerant, we still hate them because God would punish us!

Fixed!

pneumaticos:


perfect answer

Now start bashing my tribe and religion!

Demmzy15:

Fixed!

Well FIXED

Rilwayne001:


Well FIXED

I dey sure e go pain am well!

Demmzy15:
I dey sure e go pain am well!

Nice one bro.

Demmzy15:

Crusaders didn't start this way, the Crusaders were mad Men who were hungry for blood! Don't misinterpret history here, because if na that one I get you time we'll!

that was exactly how the crusades started before some went absolutely crazy

Ubenedictus:
that was exactly how the crusades started before some went absolutely crazy

All went crazy because their leaders were crazy, brutality was their goal!

Demmzy15:

All went crazy because their leaders were crazy, brutality was their goal!

Nope they went crazy in response to allah's demon possessed blood sucking jihadists atrocities.

Jagoon:



Nope they went crazy in response to allah's demon possessed blood sucking jihadists atrocities.

You're just a rude beast of burden! So sick!

Demmzy15:

All went crazy because their leaders were crazy, brutality was their goal!

brutality was never the goal. The goal was "just war against an unjust aggressor.

Demmzy15:

You're just a rude beast of burden! So sick!

It's not 1% as sick as what your fellow muslims (isis) who are walking in the footsteps of mohamed are doing. If you find my statements sickening then you should find the character of mohamad revolting.

Jagoon:


It's not 1% as sick as what your fellow muslims (isis) who are walking in the footsteps of mohamed are doing. If you find my statements sickening then you should find the character of mohamad revolting.

Nothing reasonable, still signs of desperation! I just want you to know that, you can't win on a Muslim's thread! This thread was created by Rilwayne001 and all of you have been humiliated!

Ubenedictus:
brutality was never the goal. The goal was "just war against an unjust aggressor.

Muslims weren't the aggressors, they were aggressors and transgressors! I hope you aren't trying to defend their actions?!

Demmzy15:

Muslims weren't the aggressors, they were aggressors and transgressors! I hope you aren't trying to defend their actions?!

Small time you will come and tell us that boko haram and isis are not aggressors that they are only defending themselves.

Jagoon:


Small time you will come and tell us that boko haram and isis are not aggressors that they are only defending themselves.

Smh! Olodo! , how old are you sef?!

Demmzy15:

Muslims weren't the aggressors, they were aggressors and transgressors! I hope you aren't trying to defend their actions?!

did muslim not move into lands that weren't their? Did they not start a jihad from the middle east even to the doors of italy, lepanto?

So yeah, the muslims began aggression on Christian countries and even distroyed the church of the selpucher, ie the site of Jesus resurrection, there were also reports of violence to Christian pilgrims going to Jerusalem. That is what led to the crusades, a sustained and continous aggression by muslims.

Ubenedictus:


did muslim not move into lands that weren't their? Did they not start a jihad from the middle east even to the doors of italy, lepanto?

Yes Muslims liberated Palestine from the Byzantine oppressors who wanted to wipe out Islam during the time of the Prophet. Byzantine Empire wanted to destroy Islam during the battle of 'Mutah', but the Muslims were successful. Muslims continued to advance forward until they were stopped in France!

Ubenedictus:

So yeah, the muslims began aggression on Christian countries and even distroyed the church of the selpucher, ie the site of Jesus resurrection, there were also reports of violence to Christian pilgrims going to Jerusalem.

The Byzantine Empire started it all, this was why Muslims attempted to take over 'Constantinople'. @bolded, I don't know the Selpucher you're talking about! When Umar liberated Jerusalem, some church fathers invited Umar and the Muslims to pray in the Selpucher, but he refused because he didn't want later Muslims to claim the area(just because he prayed in it) which was meant for christains. During later Sultans, when the wailing walls of Jews was reduced, Muslims built them back! So don't twist history here!

Ubenedictus:

That is what led to the crusades, a sustained and continous aggression by muslims.

None of this lead to the crusades. Muslims, Christians and Jews lived happily in Palestine for 300years after the war with the Byzantine Empire, in fact everyone was allowed for their various pilgrimage. Everything changed when the crusades attacked. If the crusades wanted to revenge on Muslims for taking over their lands, why did they clear and destroyed Jewish(who had nothing to do with Muslims) villages?! Why did they burn Jews?!

Demmzy15:

Smh! Olodo! , how old are you sef?!

Old enough to be your father

Jagoon:





Old enough to be your father

Lmaooooo , so you're someone's father and you behave like a retard?!

Demmzy15:

Lmaooooo , so you're someone's father and you behave like a retard?!

Is dat how you address your father at home? Òmó àlé jati jati.

Jagoon:


Is dat how you address your father at home? Òmó àlé jati jati.

Oponu iranu! Old man wey no get sense, I can't believe a yoruba Christian like you would be here bashing Muslims on this forum! It's really disappointing!

Demmzy15:

Oponu iranu! Old man wey no get sense, I can't believe a yoruba Christian like you would be here bashing Muslims on this forum! It's really disappointing!

But you don't feel disappointed when your muslim brothers in the north following the foot steps of mohamed murder innocent people in the name of allah. You really need to get your head examined.

Demmzy15:

Yes Muslims liberated Palestine from the Byzantine oppressors who wanted to wipe out Islam during the time of the Prophet. Byzantine Empire wanted to destroy Islam during the battle of 'Mutah', but the Muslims were successful. Muslims continued to advance forward until they were stopped in France!

lol,

liberation indeed, muslims left medina and mecca and entered Egypt a Christian nation, then syria, Jerusalem and then constantinople and yet you claim it was liberation. Sorry dear that is the definition of an all out war! They didn't stop there they entered spain and would have reached Italy if they weren't stop. That was an all out military aggression.





The muslims didn't win the battle of Mutah, A group of messengers were mistakenly killed by a garrison commander and muhammed decided to raise an army of about 3,000 to punish the village, they cried to byzatium for help and the emperor sent his own army, 3 of the major muslims commaders died in that war and one of byzatium died and the muslims didn't get the reinforcement they wanted so they played a series of tricks and retreated back to medina.

Actually the muslim force were beaten in the first round hence the reason they ran back to medina.

Demmzy15:

The Byzantine Empire started it all, this was why Muslims attempted to take over 'Constantinople'. @bolded, I don't know the Selpucher you're talking about! When Umar liberated Jerusalem, some church fathers invited Umar and the Muslims to pray in the Selpucher, but he refused because he didn't want later Muslims to claim the area(just because he prayed in it) which was meant for christains. During later Sultans, when the wailing walls of Jews was reduced, Muslims built them back! So don't twist history here!

None of this lead to the crusades. Muslims, Christians and Jews lived happily in Palestine for 300years after the war with the Byzantine Empire, in fact everyone was allowed for their various pilgrimage. Everything changed when the crusades attacked. If the crusades wanted to revenge on Muslims for taking over their lands, why did they clear and destroyed Jewish(who had nothing to do with Muslims) villages?! Why did they burn Jews?!

lol,

the very funny stories muslims tell, non muslims were actually discriminated against in Jerusalem, the jews though had the better deal but the Christians were in essence second class citizens, forbidden to proselytize, worship outside of specific locations, limited in areas where they could travel, forced to bow before Muslim Mosques and Imams, charged to wear specific clothing, ordered to make way on
the streets to Muslims, and limited in the number of pilgrims allowed to visit Holy sites. Fatimid Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah ordered the destruction of all churches throughout Al-Islam starting with the churches in Jerusalem. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, revered by most Christians as the site of Christ's crucifixion and burial, was among the places of worship destroyed. A total of about 2,000 churches were distroyed by that order

Is that you idea of peaceful Coexistence?

In case you don't know the Abbasid took over jerusalem and killed 3,000 people including those hiding in the mosque! About 3 different muslim Kingdom were continously fight and killing each other in an effort to control Jerusalem.

The muslim were fighting themselves, who do you think will suffer when two elephant fight? Ofcuz the Christian were the scape goat, they were the one who were the sacrificial.

The killings intensified in the 11th century so also did the discrimination, that ignited the crusades.

Demmzy15:

So you think ISIS aren't doing the same to Muslims in Iraaq and Syria?! Go and see the amount of Sunni Tribesmen that have been beheaded, the amount of 'Persmerga'(mainly Sunni Muslims) that have been killed! Don't pretend you haven't heard of the Jordanian pilot that was burnt in a cage early this year?! I could present videos of them killing Muslims, when they kill Muslims you hear them proclaiming "wallahi, they're all apostates and their blood are permissible"

Over 700 men in Al - Sheei'tat tribe in Syria were all gunned down by ISIS, during this massacre, they beheaded some who were still alive. I hope the video wasn't taken down by YouTube(it might still be available). You could see ISIS smiling and they're happy. Muslims suffer a lot from this terrorists than even Christians and other others.

ISIS has killed Muslims to the extent that Sunni Women in Iraaq are joining the men in the front lines to fight. Yet you come and accuse Muslims of things they never indulge in. Your hypocrisy has no limit, you say the Christians are human beings, but you say the contrary to Muslims. You're so mannerless to the extent that you respect nobody, you can't just make reasonable points without cursing or abusing(and you think someone would take you serious?)

The Christian man who beheaded an ISIS militant was fighting along side 'Kurdish Muslims' popularly known as YPG, this Muslim militia allows all religious affiliation to fight among their ranks. The YPG was responsible for driving ISIS out of' kobani' or 'ayn al-arabi'. ISIS are bombing Muslims in mosques in Dammam Province in Saudi Arabia and yet you still accuse Muslims of sh't. May God have mercy on you o!

see you we know how they carry out their atrocities. Islam or mohamMAD teachings brand any man or woman that don't support his or follower ideology as traitor or infidel . Those muslims killed by isil are killed as a traitors ,killed as christians then as infidel. You can't used excuse of isis killing muslims to blanket the truth. We know why.

Demmzy15:

None of this lead to the crusades. Muslims, Christians and Jews lived happily in Palestine for 300years after the war with the Byzantine Empire, in fact everyone was allowed for their various pilgrimage. Everything changed when the crusades attacked. If the crusades wanted to revenge on Muslims for taking over their lands, why did they clear and destroyed Jewish(who had nothing to do with Muslims) villages?! Why did they burn Jews?!

it had nothing to do with revenge the war was simply seen as the best way of protecting Christians.

Incase you don't know the muslims attacked byzantine again in the 11 century, coupled with the distruction of churches and violence to western prilgrims and inhabitant christians. The emperor Alexios was the person who appealed to the pope after the anatolia muslims attacked again. Pope sixtus already hinted at a war whem the holy sepulcher was distroyed. The violence against christian and christian states led to pope Urban preaching that Christian should make a prilgrimage to the holy land. The first groups who were masacred were the peasants who had no war training.

When Jerusalem fell, many Jews had made a pact with the muslims against the crusader while many of the Christian population were expelled, that is why there was a high casualities of Jews.

Ubenedictus:



it had nothing to do with revenge the war was simply seen as the best way of protecting Christians.

Incase you don't know the muslims attacked byzantine again in the 11 century, coupled with the distruction of churches and violence to western prilgrims and inhabitant christians. The emperor Alexios was the person who appealed to the pope after the anatolia muslims attacked again. Pope sixtus already hinted at a war whem the holy sepulcher was distroyed. The violence against christian and christian states led to pope Urban preaching that Christian should make a prilgrimage to the holy land. The first groups who were masacred were the peasants who had no war training.

When Jerusalem fell, many Jews had made a pact with the muslims against the crusader while many of the Christian population were expelled, that is why there was a high casualities of Jews.

You know my brother I read that most of the myths surrounding the crusades were not written by muslims but by western leftists which is a tragedy. They promote Islam at the expense of their own Christian heritage. Ask the Muslim guy here where the great church of St Mary Major of Jerusalem is. Or the Hagia Sophia, or the Church of the Holy Apostles in Constantinople? How did Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Turkey, Palestine and North Africa become Muslim? It's a real tragedy the crusader states did not survive. God bless the Maronites, Copts, Syriacs, Antiochians, Assyrians, Armenians, Melkites and Chaldeans surviving in the Holy Land.

Papist:

You know my brother I read that most of the myths surrounding the crusades were not written by muslims but by western leftists which is a tragedy. They promote Islam at the expense of their own Christian heritage. Ask the Muslim guy here where the great church of St Mary Major of Jerusalem is. Or the Hagia Sophia, or the Church of the Holy Apostles in Constantinople? How did Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Turkey, Palestine and North Africa become Muslim? It's a real tragedy the crusader states did not survive. God bless the Maronites, Copts, Syriacs, Antiochians, Assyrians, Armenians, Melkites and Chaldeans surviving in the Holy Land.

yeah dear they suffered seriously and watched as their major church were converted to mosques

Ubenedictus:

lol,

liberation indeed, muslims left medina and mecca and entered Egypt a Christian nation, then syria, Jerusalem and then constantinople and yet you claim it was liberation. Sorry dear that is the definition of an all out war! They didn't stop there they entered spain and would have reached Italy if they weren't stop. That was an all out military aggression.


The muslims didn't win the battle of Mutah, A group of messengers were mistakenly killed by a garrison commander and muhammed decided to raise an army of about 3,000 to punish the village, they cried to byzatium for help and the emperor sent his own army, 3 of the major muslims commaders died in that war and one of byzatium died and the muslims didn't get the reinforcement they wanted so they played a series of tricks and retreated back to medina.

Actually the muslim force were beaten in the first round hence the reason they ran back to medina.

Lemme help a brother.

Of course it's a liberation. The aggression was started by the Byzantium Empire or should I say it was the fault of the allies of the Byzantium. Prophet Muhammad sent his emissary to the Byzantine governor of "Provincia Arabia" carrying a letter that was meant for the Byzantine emperor Heraclius. While on his way to Bosra, he was executed in the village of Mu'tah by the orders of a Ghasanid official.

The Muslims mobilized to fight against the Byzantium governor and his Ghasanid official in the battle of mu'tah, though the Muslims were outnumbered but they put up a good fight. After losing three commanders to the battle, Khalid Ibn Walid took charge. Khalid ibn Al-Walid reported that the fighting was so intense that he used nine swords which broke in the battle. Khalid, seeing that the situation was hopeless, prepared to withdraw. He continued to engage the Byzantines in skirmishes, but avoided pitched battle. There were eight causalities from the Muslim side which were; Zaid bin Haritha, Ja'far ibn Abi Talib, Abdullah bin Rawahah, Masoud bin al-Aswad, Wahab bin Saad, Abbad bin Qais, Amr ibn Saad, Harith bin Nu'man, Saraqah bin Amr, Abu Kulaib bin Amr, Jabir ibn 'Amr, Amer bin Sad.

While on Byzantium side is unknown, but exegesis place it a hundreds while others place it at 3000 causalities. The claim of running away is unfounded and probably from a non-reliable source.

Ubenedictus:


lol,

the very funny stories muslims tell, non muslims were actually discriminated against in Jerusalem, the jews though had the better deal but the Christians were in essence second class citizens,

lmao, so you still want to deny the kindness of Muslims to non-Muslims?!ok o!!! We would compare how you guys dealt with Jews and Muslims.

Ubenedictus:

forbidden to proselytize, worship outside of specific locations, limited in areas where they could travel, forced to bow before Muslim Mosques and Imams, charged to wear specific clothing, ordered to make way on
the streets to Muslims, and limited in the number of pilgrims allowed to visit Holy sites.

Surely, you'll have some Muslims who would go contrary to the rules and regulations, but your above mentions are lies.

Proselytize
The non-Muslims in the State weren't allowed to preach their religion(even though it's compulsory for them) because for instance, it is not permissible for Christians to go around preaching their faith in an Islamic country even though they believe that it is compulsory for them to do so. The reason is because this directly clashes with Islam that forbids such a thing. One may ask "Why don't you just let the Non-Muslims preach their faith and let the people freely accept or reject? It is their personal choice". Well then using the same logic we could then argue "Why don't you just let the drug dealers sell their drugs and let the people freely accept or reject? It is their personal choice".

In the eyes of Islam, the Non-Muslim who preaches his faith is worse than a drug dealer selling drugs. If the drug dealer happens to convince someone to buy his drugs then the most harm that could possibly be inflicted on the person is that his carnal body dies from an overdose.

Thus, this is the limit that Islam has imposed on religious freedom. It can't go as far as affecting other people from the Musilm faith. Just as America might not give Hindus the religious freedom to practice 'sati' because it would result in the physical death of someone, Islam will not give the religious freedom to those to preach their false religions because it would result in the spiritual death of someone and that is far worse.

worship outside of specific locations

I actually don't know what you mean by this, but I know that even the most Islamophobic dude can't the deny the fact that many churches and synagogues were built by Muslims for the benefit of all. Every Christian and Jew had their fair share from the Islamic treasury.

limited in areas where they could travel

O boy, you sabi lie o. Na only God go helep you o!!!

forced to bow before Muslim Mosques and Imams

Even devil dey catch cold from this your fable!! Bros calm down jor!!

charged to wear specific clothing

This was done only during the time of war, the Dhimmis who paid Jizyah were exempted from fighting in the Muslim army. So they were given different clothing so as to differentiate the Non-muslim men who weren't fighting from Muslims(Muslims also wore specific costumes for war).So I don't know how this is a problem.

ordered to make way on the streets to Muslims

This was done by some ignorant oppressors and has nothing to done with Islam, some attribute this acts to the Fatimid illiterate Caliphs who caused a lot of havoc in the Muslim world. So don't be pissed off!!

Limited number of pilgrims

I don't know why you're bringing up this point! So you want all Christians and Jews to troop into an Islamic State like say na 'wonderland'?! . This action was for security reasons and this is done today by Saudi Arabia to limit the amount of pilgrims so as to provide adequate security for all. You should even be thanking the Muslims authorities sef!!

Ubenedictus:

Fatimid Caliph Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah ordered the destruction of all churches throughout Al-Islam starting with the churches in Jerusalem. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre, revered by most Christians as the site of Christ's crucifixion and burial, was among the places of worship destroyed. A total of about 2,000 churches were distroyed by that order[/b]

The brother Demmzy15 has already explained how the Holy Sepulcher was protected by a Companion of Prophet Muhammad who is called the second righteous man after Abubakr. Sophronius invited Umar to pray in the rebuilt Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Umar declined, fearing that accepting the invitation might endanger the church's status as a Christian temple, and that Muslims might break the treaty and turn the temple into a mosque.

This so-called Caliph was also hated by Muslims, he caused wars between Muslims. He was ultimately overthrown-ed by Seljuk(Muslims of Turkish origin). So his crimes against Christians and Jews was cruel and as you it, Muslims fought against him!

Ubenedictus:

Is that you idea of peaceful Coexistence?

Of course, Muslims were at peace with the Christian world.

Ubenedictus:

In case you don't know the Abbasid took over jerusalem and killed 3,000 people including those hiding in the mosque! About 3 different muslim Kingdom were continously fight and killing each other in an effort to control Jerusalem.

Ghen ghen! You done come with 'part 2' again oooo!!!!! No such thing happened, in fact it was even the Crusaders that killed people hiding in the Al-Aqsa Mosque. In fighting was against the man you complained about, Caliph Al Hakim. This Al Hakim was a man who claimed divinity for himself, after he destroyed the Holy Selpecher the Crusaders used his actions as excuse to slaughter Muslims and Jews.

Ubenedictus:

The muslim were fighting themselves, who do you think will suffer when two elephant fight? Ofcuz the Christian were the scape goat, they were the one who were the sacrificial.

No Christian suffered, stop portraying it as if Muslims who were fighting themselves were killing Christians. In fact Christians had zero roles in the fights, don't misinterpret history please.

Ubenedictus:

The killings intensified in the 11th century so also did the discrimination, that ignited the crusades.

Lies, lies, lies. No such, I quote from http://www.historynet.com/first-crusade-siege-of-jerusalem.htm

"Pope Urban II made an appeal for troops at Clermont, France, on November 27, 1095. The pope was responding in part to rumors, mostly false, of Muslim atrocities committed against Christian pilgrims visiting the Holy Land, and he also sought a means of uniting Europe's contentious kings and lords in a common cause."