datribune:




Tinubu is a patriot.

Malawian:

just how many are the fulani in number? neither are they that smart as well. during my service year, i was on a bike on independence way kaduna only to see that most certainly was a bus load of british operatives being led by nigerian policemen.
when you see a soldier, you will know, those guys i saw were not tourist, which brings me to the point i was going to make.
the fulani supposed smartness in nothing other than british logistics being supplied to them on a platter just to keep subjugating the south and reaping our resources.

you talked about how the fulaniman lost his power bid to Biya in cameroun. could it be because there was no british logistics at their beck and call?

A7:
Another bitter hypocrite!

This writer never like Tinubu in the first place, and his words shows he hates Apc. Infact he is rejoicing that Apc candidates lost because of Bukolas action, this Jonathanian is fooling no one but himself, last weeks events contradicts all that he wrote.

The fool keep talking about fulani this fulani that, yet refuses to touch on the 51 Apc senator's pledge who are mostly Hausa/fulani/northerners to support Tinubus candidates . He also refuse to tell us wheither Yakubu Dogara is Fulani or not. Infact both the candidates the Apc supported are neither Hausa nor Fulani.

In his retard.ed mind he is thinking and wanting people to see Tinubu as a failure who fail to see through conspiracies by "northerners" to sabotage his efforts, and therefore has to be ridiculed. What this id.iot fail to understand is "any gang up by whatever force to oppose Tinubu as long as it is Apc's subject, Tinubu will certainly overcome and shame it", and this is one reason why Saraki and Dogara connive with outside stooges like the Pdp to get what they wanted.

In the end Pdp is the butt of the joke, only 7 Apc lawmakers voted for Saraki the rest 50 are from Pdp. If anyone have to be laughted at it's certainly the docile Pdp who is unable to think of ways to reach to atleast 5 more senators to retain Sp seat.

Volksfuhrer:


It's easy to talk now with the benefit of hindsight. That period was a state of heightened fear and uncertainty. Many decisions were rushed, with untoward consequences.

For instance, Awo could not have toed the line of secession because the Yorubas were not prepared for war. In the last meeting Awo had with Ojukwu, he pointed out to Ojukwu about the unpreparedness of the Western Region. He asked Ojukwu for two weeks to consult with his people, after all he understood he could never force anything on them. Awo was still en route to the West when he heard about Ojukwu's declaration of the new state of Biafra! You see, there was no way Awo would trust Ojukwu, if he could not have Awo in confidence. Awo knew immediately after Ojukwu's declaration that Ojukwu no longer needed him, which effectively destroyed any further possible alliance.

Shymm3x:


Brev, stay away from discussing politics and stick to truck pushing or chasing prepubescent girls cum sociopaths in the romance section everywhere. You're too effeminate and emotional for anything logical.

I thought you were running ya mouth that you lot would leave Nigeria, if Buhari were to win - what changed? So, now you're comfortable with just bunkering (illegal, I must say), while the owners of Nigeria keep the legal outflow, no? Perpetual cowards - all bark and no bite.

And nah, I never liked GEJ cos he was a failure of epic proportions, and everything wrong that shouldn't happened in a country, thrived under him. From nepotism, to insecurity, to extreme corruption, to underdevelopment, to brazen lack of accountability, foreign policy failure, to lack of institution, to utter disregard for the rule of law and leadership ethos etc.. Like seriously, what did GEJ achieve? His folks from the SS never enjoyed anything under him. Even Igbo interests weren't protected - the 2nd Niger bridge and inability to build a functional seaport in that axis.

You're just blinded by bigotry and stupidity - and you lack the wit to see beyond ya nostrils. This discourse is for higher minds not a playground for you and your ilk.

Truckpusher:
Lamentation of a pained Yoruba boy.

Shymm3x:


Lmao says a flaming phag who was almost in tears when GEJ lost threatening fire and brimstone everywhere.

Truckpusher:
Amuse ya self all you want but all you've got is a an ordinary commissioner in this present administration despite all your treachery ,double faced politics and back biting .
Even with all you contributed in ensuring that ya master up North gets power back your lord Tinubu was treated like a scumbag .

thotsofnaij:
Ok lets see where his patriotism will lead. You may bury your head in the sand like an ostrich but ask yourself this. The action he took will it draw the S.E and S.S closer to him and the S.W? forget this dream you have about tinubu being a patriot it is a barefaced lie. He has only one agenda and that is his own for himself it is not for anyone else. I am sure as a patriot when he is being buried and thrown into irrelevance by his darling north the whole south will rise and fight with him. NOT! that is what it is about. Will the whole south rise and stand behind him like the whole north rose and stood behind buhari if need be?

datribune:



[b]d Jagaban has nothing to prove to u or to anyone dat he is indeed a patriot. Bola Tinubu was a frontline member of NADECO & played a prominent role in d struggle 4 democracy in Nigeria. Even in dis dispensation he has contributed greatly to d deepening of our democracy & d breaking up of d evil strangle-hold on d nation by d PDP which swore to cling to power 4 d next 60yrs whether they perform or not.
While bigots who can not rise above tribe & tongues continue to pour oppprobium on him, d patriotic majority of nigerians remain grateful to him & continue to support him 4 raising d standard against a clueless, confused & overwhelmed PDP govt.
Not minding d happenings in d national assembly, going forward, d Jagaban can only grow frm strength to strength as he has been doing since 1999. Afterall Buhari suffered worse & was even declared unelectable by people who did not believe in him. We who believed in him hav today made him president. When d history of nigeria is written, d Asiwaju's name will surely be written in gold.

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Shymm3x:


Err, let me correct a few things in ya post and I'll be as precise as I can.

I'd say Awolowo, despite the fact that he thrived in isolationism, perhaps due to the fact that he never really like the Fulani oligarchs, actually wanted to work with Zik. While Akintola preferred the North. Even a mad man back then should know that you can more than one region to get to the center. However, before the election - there was already a deal between the Brits and Zik, for NCNC to form a coalition with the North, hence the election was rigged in the Eastern region. The card they used against Zik and Okotie-Eboh were the corruption charges in NCNC during that period. The Brits couldn't use Awolowo cos he was too intelligent for them and never trusted their intentions, hence they opted for Zik and the corruption charges was the icing on the cake. This issue has been over-flogged on BBC 4 by Brits who were there, and they were the ones who conducted the election. Ditto a few MI6 files have been declassified, and those files add credence to it. Then you had the nonsense Zik and other Igbos were talking about during that era about how Igbos would dominate everyone and that they're the chosen people. Like seriously, who would want to work with folks as unnecessarily conceited as these people? I guess that was why Zik was kicked out of the Western region.

Also, Awolowo choosing secession back then would've been costly. The man just came out prison, and was thrown into a quagmire - that would make or mar the future, with no preparations whatsoever. And the hopes of a region on his back. What do you expect him to do? Ojukwu also never helped with the invasion of the Mid West. If the Biafrans had dug in to create layers of defenses in their region, without the suicidal military excursion into other regions - and opened one front against the North. I believe it would've been a different story. However, Ojukwu had his eyes on the oil in the Niger Delta and Lagos. And you can't go against what the powers that be also have eyes on - the Brits wanted the oil as well. That was his Achilles heel.

I laugh when these clowns run around shouting One-Nigeria everywhere. Nigeria wasn't created for none of them. The only folks benefiting from the One-Nigeria experiment are the colonists (Nigeria is fully back under the UK now) and the Fulanis. And maybe it benefits the Igbos as well cos they don't have a enough land mass for their huge population and they get more money from the country than they contribute. But I still believe Nigeria also stunted their growth. As for the rest: they're not benefiting anything from Nigeria. The first republic showed what a Yoruba country would look like, with all the strides they made. Nigeria destroyed all that.

Shymm3x:


Like I give two fvcks about Tinubu apart from discussing politics.

Keep daydreaming and crying over spilled milk cos the fedora hat wearing gorilla got done in, while I stay smashing peng Igbo chics. I'll hand them over to you when I'm done.

atlwireles:

What is there to applaud, sorry I don't see it. The Fulani political position is well known in Nigeria, there is no deftness and finesse involved. The fools willingly leading themselves into bondage is the tragedy that needs explanation.

OrlandoOwoh:

At no point in time did Awolowo and Ojukwu discuss the Western State going to war in 1966/7. Go read Awolowo's war account, "Awo On Nigerian Civil War." Ajuluchukwu, one of Ojukwu's aids had a secret recorder he used to record the discussion between Ojukwu and Awolowo at the state house in Enugu.

InyinyaAgbaOku:

The whole north doesn't see saraki as a Yoruba, saraki himself has never proclaimed his yorubaness. Even tinubu doesn't see him as such.
Guess only nl yorubas view him as yoruba

TayoT:

Jonathan's failure to secure a decentralized future for Nigeria is what is discussed in the article and not his failure to govern well. Read again. He refused to play dirty politics which unfortunately is the only way to secure victory around here and for that he has thrown away all he has strived for in bettering Nigeria as a nation.

dBard:



I tend to agree with tawa89, it takes a level of deftness n finesse to play d same trick on an informed audience, with so many variations and Yet get the same response.

My take in all this, is that it's high time the 'south' takes its eyes away from d centre and develop themselves first @home. It's important we do this cos if not, the 'northern oligarchy' will always play n prey on that greed to their advantage.
Human. nd material resource development and control will eventually get us there.

meccuno:
you need the aggressiveness of the igbos to match the aggressiveness of the North......when the south stays united.....its not a cat and mouse game dude....look @ the bigger picture....most people fail to understand these characteristics of an average igbo man.......if you don understand this,then I don't think the SW are advanced the way the SW has painted their selves......they don't feel comfortable being with the igbos.....they think they are more superior to the igbos because they embraced education early.......and the igbo man believes educated or not, everyone is equal........and believe everybody has the chance to be great.......the problem is understanding these traits.....if you notice,many igbos have been made to believe that the SWterners are cowards and traitors......just two......the only thing the yorubas would do is unite with the south give them their words and in time of battle they would be ready to fight......and the do it.....then the fulanis who u claim are grand masters in politics would be dymistified....its just politics....if you can't do this,then please drop that sophisticated tag......aligning with the north is very easy. Any section can do it.....uniting the south is where the real war is......if the igbos can vote for an ijaw man even with the betrayals and denials that they ijaw people did to them,then uniting the south is not impossible.....

Malawian:


just how many are the fulani in number? neither are they that smart as well. during my service year, i was on a bike on independence way kaduna only to see that most certainly was a bus load of british operatives being led by nigerian policemen.
when you see a soldier, you will know, those guys i saw were not tourist, which brings me to the point i was going to make.
the fulani supposed smartness in nothing other than british logistics being supplied to them on a platter just to keep subjugating the south and reaping our resources.

you talked about how the fulaniman lost his power bid to Biya in cameroun. could it be because there was no british logistics at their beck and call?

DanielPop:


NO they are not. I have stopped them twice. Once during University department elections and also during our alumni elections. They are not smart but what they have going for them is solidarity. Their religion binds them together and as we know you cannot break the bunch but you can break the broomstick. We are better in politics than them. Infact if you check carefully, they plot using the best brains from the South whom they pay so well. Our problem is that we know too much! We see too much and we talk too much! We are always the first to bring down our own. While the fulani's tried so hard to keep a dead Yar'Adua in power, our brothers like Amaechi and Tinubu worked so hard to bring Jonathan down. Jonathan they said was "clueless" but Yar'Adua was DEAD!

PabloAfricanus:

Well...thats an interesting perspective, but certain facts still stand out.

1) The Egbe Omo Oduduwa was a calculated attempt to create a Yoruba political party, run by Yorubas and for Yorubas.
Initially the NCNC Yoruba stalwarts saw it for what it was and were reluctant to join.
Before the Adeyemos and co launched the Egbe in Lagos,
the leading party for both Yorubas and Igbos was the Herbert Macaulay-led NCNC, even after Zik took over.
You also cannot compare the Egbe to the Ibibio State Union or the Ibo State Union of which Zik was president.
Those were largely community/town development unions with limited political affiliations.
Sure they could be called upon to assist in political campaigns, but they were not a partisan political vehicle.
The Egbe on the other hand, was formed in London by some of the top Yoruba intellectuals, made legitimate and official in an elaborate
3 day ceremony at Ife, headquartered in Ibadan, and drew the line between the Zik-led NCNC and "Yoruba" politics.
It was a vehicle to whittle down Zik's influence and control Yoruba politics for Yorubas.
Zik understood the game and lashed out as expected against the Egbe.
I dont think Zikist statements no matter how provocative alienated the Yoruba core of NCNC.
Awo saw the bigger game of independence coming up and read the handwriting on the wall.
He never believed in those Zikist nationalist fantasies, cos he rightly understood the resource extraction game
the British and the Fulanis were playing. It was a colonial racket and the Fulanis were the house masters.
You were right, Awo's politics was Yoruba isolationism through and through and he was direct and unapologetic about it.


2) On the allegations of corruption against Zik, there was no reason why Zik should not have emerged the executive
of Nigeria's first indigenous government. The only reason would be his threat to more powerful interests.
Zik was a threat to the British interests, cos being an Igbo man, he had little or no respect for systems that are not driven by equal merit.
A man achieved greatness on his own, not just because of his fathers lineage or some glorified royalty.
The British knew Zik would not deal easy.
The railway lines built for the exclusive purpose of extracting mineral resources to Europe,
the Shell oil installations, the forced trade concessions, all were certain to be reviewed by Zik if given executive powers.
The Hausa/Fulanis on the other hand understood the game of serfhood perfectly...it was their native system of government after all.
Even the Yorubas, Edos, Nupes and other groups with established social hierarchies understood the concept of tribute and taxes.
It was foreign and repugnant to the Igbos and most Easterners.

All the regional premiers Awo included could have been nailed for corruption, cos they largely exercised cult status control of
public finances. Infact Awo's was the model Tinubu adopted...Zik was not even that brazen. You control the central purse
and the incoming revenue streams through various fronts.
The Coker commission against Awo in 1962 used the same strategy the British had used to neutralize Zik in 1956.
They both fell for the British mandated legal loop holes in the Regional Market Boards setup and party financing schemes.
If you did not know that Okotie-Eboh was a British plant and his unlimited funds was channeled by the British, then you may
have to read up on that aspect of the take over of NCNC by the British via Okotie-Eboh.

The British were clear that Zik would not pay homage and tribute, would not sign the secret trade deals and concessions that would give
London economic mastery over her old colony.Thus, he had to be eliminated from the executive chair.
If the election was rigged in the SE, it had to be in Okotie-Eboh's favour, not certainly Zik.
He was a cult hero not just to the Igbos but to most of the SE.

3) The January 1966 sad event was a likely response by informed officers who staked it all to end the British chicanery with
the Northerners and their stooges. They knew that the British had deliberately screwed both Zik and Awo,
were responsible for the intelligence that saw Awo in jail, were responsible for the neutralization of Zik thereby robbing him of
his rightful place at national politics. They saw the hand of the British in the citing of the army installations, future Northern military
dominance of the infantry and army high command, the whole lopsided parliamentary setup where an arid north was
allocated higher census figures than a rain forest south.
It probably was an attempt to correct the handover of Nigeria to the Fulani oligarchs and their British plants.

4) On the secession thingy, all that was needed was the appropriate funding and availability of arms.
Yorubas had tough fighting men who were ready to go all the way. You seem to silently ignore that fact, like all the men
in the SW were either dead or not available.
When the British made arms and funds available to Gowon, you know the rest...Yoruba soldiers like Obasanjo,Ariyo, Adekunle, Alabi Isama,
Akinrindade and co did most of the strategic dirty work.
Simply put, the Yorubas chickened out of the game to correct the injustices the British had been meting out to them with the
help of the Northerners.
Ogundipe was not even man enough to stand his ground and rally round what ever support he could gather
from the Yoruba officers around.
This was the opportunity Awo had been dreaming of, to cut off the artificial statehood and allow the Yorubas do their own thing
their own way.
A possible strategic option would have been to set aside the murders of Ademulegun, Shodeinde and the rest...and maybe
give the Igbos support to go up north through Benue or Lokoja to stop the advance of the Northerners, while they drove them out
and took over Lagos.
If they had pooled their strengths, they could have jointly beaten the Brits at their own game...and secured independent statehood
for themselves. The slight of the murders of Yoruba officers in Jan 1966 could be addressed later.

My opinions...

Shymm3x:


I agree with almost everything you posited apart from the excerpts about Zik of Onitsha.

Zik of Onitsha was a corrupt opportunist and he was no threat to anyone. All the posturing was for Igbo domination and to enrich himself as he did with NCNC's money with Okotie-Eboh. The Brits described him as utterly corrupt and those British OxBridge graduates who were sent to Nigeria back then called him utterly corrupt during the interview on BBC 4.

Zik of Onitsha played his card when he was ceremonial president by making sure that all the positions allocated to the South under that government went to Igbos. And when he lost out in the power struggle to Akintola - that was the reason why he colluded with Ifeajuna to plot the 1966 coup. The coup wasn't an Nzeogwu coup - that was a Zik and Ifeajuna coup.

Shymm3x:


I agree with almost everything you posited apart from the excerpts about Zik of Onitsha.

Zik of Onitsha was a corrupt opportunist and he was no threat to anyone. All the posturing was for Igbo domination and to enrich himself as he did with NCNC's money with Okotie-Eboh. The Brits described him as utterly corrupt and those British OxBridge graduates who were sent to Nigeria back then called him utterly corrupt during the interview on BBC 4.

Zik of Onitsha played his card when he was ceremonial president by making sure that all the positions allocated to the South under that government went to Igbos. And when he lost out in the power struggle to Akintola - that was the reason why he colluded with Ifeajuna to plot the 1966 coup. The coup wasn't an Nzeogwu coup - that was a Zik and Ifeajuna coup.

noah91:
And u think d North see Saraki as a fulani? Saraki might nt hv proclaimed his yorubaness because of his political ambition n because he is from a geopolitical zone that has fulani majority. Genetically n in terms of association, saraki is much more a yoruba than a fulani.

basilo101:
Yorubas were in a hurry to stop igbos from political relevance, they shud have been the ones to strike a deal with ekweremadu in return to support for gbaja, but were blinded by the excitement of taking igbos out of corridors of power. yorubas shud kw that the north is observing their betrayal of fellow southerners and can never trust them. Imagine kwankwaso and Tambuwal being a part of this plot. Only a yoruba and igbo combination can clip the wings of the north, but over sabi wont allow the yorubas

Shymm3x:


I agree with almost everything you posited apart from the excerpts about Zik of Onitsha.

Zik of Onitsha was a corrupt opportunist and he was no threat to anyone. All the posturing was for Igbo domination and to enrich himself as he did with NCNC's money with Okotie-Eboh. The Brits described him as utterly corrupt and those British OxBridge graduates who were sent to Nigeria back then called him utterly corrupt during the interview on BBC 4.

Zik of Onitsha played his card when he was ceremonial president by making sure that all the positions allocated to the South under that government went to Igbos. And when he lost out in the power struggle to Akintola - that was the reason why he colluded with Ifeajuna to plot the 1966 coup. The coup wasn't an Nzeogwu coup - that was a Zik and Ifeajuna coup.

Malawian:

but when the war started, the unprepared yorubas were suddenly prepared to shoot and anything that moved and what not.
how can you be claiming the yorubas were unprepared for war? the same yoruba who claims to have fought many wars and build empires?
nigga plzzzzz.

Dollyak:

seriously do you have the source for this narratives? Please.