crusadistic:
which instant judgement for sins are you talking of is it murder,rape,stealing,robbery,adultery…
OK then no more judgement for these.let's see how beautiful the world will be

NumberOne2:


There is a difference between sin and offence. Sin is to GOD. Offence is to MAN. Dont mix them up.
What sin did women and children in the market commit to be BOMBED by a Muslim?

Does Islam not know that if a man refuses to become a Muslim today, he may change his mind tomorrow?
Why kill him today because he refused today? Is that a wise action?

NumberOne2:


There is a difference between sin and offence. Sin is to GOD. Offence is to MAN. Dont mix them up.
What sin did women and children in the market commit to be BOMBED by a Muslim?

Does Islam not know that if a man refuses to become a Muslim today, he may change his mind tomorrow?
Why kill him today because he refused today? Is that a wise action?

malvisguy212:
Satan used Muhammad as a pawn and Islam as a tool to attack the people of God. As Muhammad grew in power, he used violence to subdue those that disagreed with him. He denied the Sonship of Jesus,making him an anti-Christ, and denied other key doctrines of Christianity. Muhammad eventually urged his followers to oppress Christians and instituted laws that deny people basic human rights. Today in Muslim countries, Christians are victimized by those laws. Many of
them have murdered, executed, and or
oppressed for their faith. If a Muslim
converts to Christianity, he is under a
death sentence for apostatizing. In his
last few hours of life, Muhammad
asked Allah to curse the Christians.
Real Islam is a weapon Satan uses to
make war upon God and His people.

NumberOne2:


There is a difference between sin and offence. Sin is to GOD. Offence is to MAN. Dont mix them up.
What sin did women and children in the market commit to be BOMBED by a Muslim?

Does Islam not know that if a man refuses to become a Muslim today, he may change his mind tomorrow?
Why kill him today because he refused today? Is that a wise action?

Confirmer:
Malvisguy212 you are running everywhere opening new threads and losing out in the end. Don't you get tired? Whenever the Quran is talking about the Gospel, it's actually talking about the inspiration received from God via Ruhu liQudus (Holy Spirit) or Angel Gabriel. Do you guys think Jesus was reading the Gospel to the Children of Isreal from a book ? Jesus message was meant for the Israelites ALONE and the Gospel wasn't meant to last forever and that's why it's corrupted. God is capable of protecting is book like the Quran has been protected from any addition or alteration for CENTURIES. The bible was reviewed by scholars as early as in the 1900s and alterations and additions were made. There is only one universal Quran unlike the Bible. The contradictions in the Bible is so much that Nairaland won't be able to contain it. Salam.

Scholar8200:

Jesus came in fulfilment of God's promise to Abraham:

Genesis 22:18

18 And in your Seed [[e]Christ] shall all the nations of the earth be blessed and [by Him]
bless themselves, because you have heard and obeyed My voice.

He came through Israel and they, being the biological descendants, had that first benefit but after His Passion, all that believe (and receive Him as their Lord and Saviour) from all nations are blessed!

Confirmer:

Funny analogy and the over one billion Muslim worldwide are bombing innocent women and children. Stop reasoning like you have no brain.

Confirmer:

In the quoted verse, was Jesus mentioned or was inferred? A similar and better verse was revealed in the Quran about the the offspring of Ismael when the Holy Mosque was being erected by Abraham and Ismael.

Scholar8200:
What would you say to this:

Genesis 26:1-4
And there was a famine in the land, other than the former famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went to Gerar, to Abimelech king of the Philistines.
2 And the Lord appeared to him and said, Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land of which I will tell you.
3 Dwell temporarily in this land, and I will be with you and will favor you with blessings; for to you and to your descendants I will give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father.
4 And I will make your descendants to multiply as the stars of the heavens, and will give to your posterity all these lands (kingdoms); and by your Offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, or by Him bless themselves,


God reiterated the same promise to Isaac! This has nought to do with Ishmael! God said to send away Ishmael because Isaac was the promised child and the one by whom the promises will be fulfilled!

Genesis 21:12
12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

That these matters were established milleniums before your religion vis a vis your claims of this applying to Ishmael raises serious concerns!

NumberOne2:


Okay you have a brain.
See the Aljazeera poll that 80% of over 40,000 Muslims voted YES in support ISIS.
http://www.aljazeera.net/votes/pages?voteid=5270

It was posted on NL:
https://www.nairaland.com/2385798/al-jazeera-poll-destroys-myth#34860767

I am sure even if the "one billion Muslims" were polled, the results will barely change.

Confirmer:

And who are the coalition fighting Isis http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-ten-arab-nations-join-us-led-coalition-against-isis-1465106

Confirmer:

And also the son of the bonds woman, I will make a nation also, because he {is} thy seed. Gen. 21:13. The Bible is not a reliable source bro because it's just too confusing.

Confirmer:
Malvisguy212 you are running everywhere opening new threads and losing out in the end. Don't you get tired? Whenever the Quran is talking about the Gospel, it's actually talking about the inspiration received from God via Ruhu liQudus (Holy Spirit) or Angel Gabriel. Do you guys think Jesus was reading the Gospel to the Children of Isreal from a book ? Jesus message was meant for the Israelites ALONE and the Gospel wasn't meant to last forever and that's why it's corrupted. God is capable of protecting is book like the Quran has been protected from any addition or alteration for CENTURIES. The bible was reviewed by scholars as early as in the 1900s and alterations and additions were made. There is only one universal Quran unlike the Bible. The contradictions in the Bible is so much that Nairaland won't be able to contain it. Salam.

Confirmer:

And also the son of the bonds woman, I will make a nation also, because he {is} thy seed. Gen. 21:13. The Bible is not a reliable source bro because it's just too confusing.

NumberOne2:


Do they have a choice? When their fighter jets and weapons are from US.
Are there not Muslim Soldiers in the Nigerian army. Does this change the fact that Boko Haram kill in the name of Islam. I thought you had a brain? Who are Boko Haram?

Scholar8200:
But there was no specific reference to a Seed in Whom all the Nations of the earth will be blessed in Ishmael's case! Bro, there is nothing confusing there! God specifically told Abraham that in Isaac shall your seed be called!

malvisguy212:
you are soo wrong my friend, Jesus DID NOT read any gospel to anybody, the gospel is about him.

Jesus did not speak His own words, but
the words that the Father gave Him (John 8:38-42; 12:49-50; 14:24). His message was not primarily about Himself, but rather the good news that the Father ordained to be announced on earth. So what ever claims in the quran that say Allah gave Jesus a book, is a lie.

Let me tell you the truth, your spiritual knowledge is soo weak, you do not understand anything, it is only God that will deliver you from this spell, angels don't inspired people, it is ONLY the holy spirit that do such.

You said the gospel wasent meant to last for ever? This is the first time I am herring this, can you proved it ? Deep inside you, you know it's a lie. I will provide a verse in the quran that will expos your lie, but first, proved it "the gospel wasent mean to last forever" as you claim.

Confirmer:

Let's clarify some issues. Who was Abraham first child between Isaac and Ishmael? Who was offered for Sacrifice? Let's start from there.

Scholar8200:

In that order:Ishmael;Isaac.

But God's statement to Abraham concerning Isaac already lays to rest that which you seek to clarify:

Genesis 21:12
12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Besides, Isaac,borne by Sarah, was the child of Promise. Any controversy on this?

Confirmer:

So we both agree that Ishmael is the first son. Who was offered for sacrifice?

Scholar8200:
Isaac.

Confirmer:

You said Ishmael is the first son and in Genesis when God was referring to the one who was offered for Sacrifice
Genesis 22:16-18
“I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring[a] all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”
Who is the only son since Ishmael came first? Isaac

Scholar8200:


The events in Genesis chapter 22 were recorded after those in chapter 21 wherein Ishmael and his mum were sent off:
Genesis 22:1
After these events, God tested and proved Abraham and said to him, Abraham! And he said, Here I am.

A hebrew wrote this:
Hebrews 11:17-19
By faith Abraham, when he was put to the test [while the testing of his faith was [d]still in progress], [e]had already brought Isaac for an offering; he who had gladly received and welcomed [God’s] promises was ready to sacrifice his only son,
18 Of whom it was said, Through Isaac shall your descendants be reckoned.
19 For he reasoned that God was able to raise [him] up even from among the dead. Indeed in the sense that Isaac was figuratively dead [potentially sacrificed], he did [actually] receive him back from the dead.

Verse 18 was the real sting of the test! That's why Abraham,in verse 19, did not reason that God would give him another child but would raise up the one of whom He had spoken, if death had actually occurred.

Confirmer:

Re read what you quoted. I was actually astonished with the fact that you said the Bible is from God despite the fact that it didn't originate from Jesus. I never said Jesus was given a book but he was INSPIRED by RUHU LIQUDUS (what the Christians refer to has Holy Spirit and the Muslim to as Gabriel). The actual question are; has the gospel stand the test of time? How many versions of the gospel do we have? Why so many contradictions in the gospel? Why has the gospel been revised by Christians over the years? If the Holy Ghost is the one inspiring the writers of the bible, who ain't Jesus, then you can as well be inspired and add or subtract from the bible? I can go on and on but let me stop here and wait for your answers.

Confirmer:

I actually expected a lot from you than what you typed. So because Ishmael and his mum had left, Ishmael ceased to be Abraham Son? What logic. The language was "thine only son" Gen 22:16 and Genesis 22:12. To further convince you, after the death of Abraham, Ishmael was still the son of Abraham Genesis 25:9 " And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him (Abraham) in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephronmthe son of Zohar the Hittle......"
So thine only son shouldn't be in dispute since Ishmael was the first son.

Scholar8200:
It was a trial of faith for he who had received great promises concerning a son from his barren wife. There is no better source of explanation than that written:

Hebrews 11:17-19
By faith Abraham, when he was put to the test [while the testing of his faith was [d]still in progress], [e]had already brought Isaac for an offering; he who had gladly received and welcomed [God’s] promises was ready to sacrifice his only son,
18 Of whom it was said, Through Isaac shall your descendants be reckoned.
19 For he reasoned that God was able to raise [him] up even from among the dead. Indeed in the sense that Isaac was figuratively dead [potentially sacrificed], he did [actually] receive him back from the dead.

Verse 18 was the real sting of the test! That's why Abraham,in verse 19, did not reason that God would give him another child (even though he had others and Ishmael showed he was not impotent) but would raise up the one of whom He had spoken and made such promises, if death had actually occurred.

Moreover, Sarah was 90 (in chapter 21) when she had Isaac and Genesis 23 records her death at 127 yrs meaning the events between Genesis 21 (when Isaac was born) and 22 was 37 years: long enough for Isaac to had grown and Abraham and Sarah to have aged even more and since the promise of a child had been fulfilled, there was no expectation on the part of Sarah to bear any new ones hence the test of faith.(apart from Ishmael and Isaac, Abraham had other sons after Sarah died meaning the trial of faith was particularly concerning the one of whom God had spoken)

Confirmer:

All these circumstantial evidence you are trying to conjure shouldn't supersede a crystal clear evidence that Ishmael is Abraham first child and should have the status of THINE ONLY CHILD. The test was if he would be willing to sacrifice his only son. The test would be defeated if he had another son somewhere. Mind you God wasn't testing Sarah but Abraham so don't involve her. I seriously don't know how you put up your defence to this explicit fact.

Confirmer:

Re read what you quoted. I was actually astonished with the fact that you said the Bible is from God despite the fact that it didn't originate from Jesus. I never said Jesus was given a book but he was INSPIRED by RUHU LIQUDUS (what the Christians refer to has Holy Spirit and the Muslim to as Gabriel). The actual question are; has the gospel stand the test of time? How many versions of the gospel do we have? Why so many contradictions in the gospel? Why has the gospel been revised by Christians over the years? If the Holy Ghost is the one inspiring the writers of the bible, who ain't Jesus, then you can as well be inspired and add or subtract from the bible? I can go on and on but let me stop here and wait for your answers.

Confirmer:

All these circumstantial evidence you are trying to conjure shouldn't supersede a crystal clear evidence that Ishmael is Abraham first child and should have the status of THINE ONLY CHILD. The test was if he would be willing to sacrifice his only son. The test would be defeated if he had another son somewhere. Mind you God wasn't testing Sarah but Abraham so don't involve her. I seriously don't know how you put up your defence to this explicit fact.