KingEbukasBlog:
A big mis interpretation on plaetton 's side . . I quickly understood the post but you are giving the whole thing a different meaning - your intentions are clear

HungerBAD:
It is true that the White people brought Christianity to Africa, but i think it is high time they come back to Africa, to learn the tricks of how a Church should succeed.

They should specifically come to Nigeria.

They should go learn from Tunde Bakare, who even if all his predictions keep going South, his church keeps getting bigger. They should also, learn from Pastor Christopher Oyakhilome of Christ Embassy, even if he says Masturbation is the coolest thing since Kuli-Kuli was invented, and his wife left him due to his multiple affairs with women,including one with Roli(Bode George's wife) the NDLEA Director, his Church is still getting bigger everyday.

Fear will not let me mention Adeboye and Oyedepo here, as their followers will E-INJURE me here, but the bottom line is that, you guys should come to Nigeria and learn how to run a successful church and none of your doors will ever be closed again.

plaetton:


And the correct meaning of church closings are ... ?

Kindly Point them out , or , Just shut up and let me finish presenting my case.

KingEbukasBlog:


over 80 fellowship centers DELSU were reduced to 4 ...

Anyone can read meaning to that

plaetton:


LOL.

Half-thinker.

What is DELSU ?

Is DELSU not a University ?

Should you not be ashamed to even say that DELSU had 80 fellowships in the first place ?

Doesn't The irony of 80 fellowships in a University campus dovetail with the points I am trying to make here ?

4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,

11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold

13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

KingEbukasBlog:


Lolzz
exactly the expected response

But either way it doesn't change this :


1 Timothy 4:1

New International Version (NIV)



Matthew 24:10-13

New International Version (NIV)



2 Peter 3:4



And plaetton feels that because the white man is doing it , why shouldn't we ... plaetton clearly feels inferior

... but fails to understand that they've grown and developed with Religion all this while

Mr. P, Religion is not the black man's problem but greed and selfishness of his leaders(bad leadership) is his problem

plaetton:


My simple question is what do we see in churches today that your so called white man is not seeing?

Are we simply going in opposite directions in TIME?
And why.
Task your little brain, and try explaining the reasons.

davidylan:
I notice Plaetton cannot answer questions on DNA and how it jives with the second law of thermodynamics... so he gravitates to what he knows best... mockery

plaetton:


And davidylan, can You pls volunteer to answer why churches are closing in the developed world, and mushrooming in Nigeria at the same.
It is a real phenomenom that requires seriously discussion and answers.

davidylan:


I'm not sure how this is a topic that requires serious discussion. I'm at a loss as to why it's even a topic. I'm sure you're just as worried about why ifa shrines do not exist in Sweden? That is the discussion I want to have... It requires serious discussion too.

plaetton:
As we can all witness, in the civilized world, the very people that sold Christianity to Africa no longer see any use for it. As a social engineering program, Christianity has run it's full course, and there is little utility left in it for the people of Europe, unless and if necessary, to keep puppeteering the primitive animist peoples of Africa.

All over Europe and America, churches are being converted and reused for factories, warehouses, libraries, research centres, community centres, pubs, museums, and even houses and condominiums. It has become a sort of recycling program where a redundant asset is reused for productive purposes for the overall benefit of the society.

Now, other hand , across the oceans and deserts to subsahara Africa, the opposite trend seems to be the norm.
It is like two alternate worlds co-existing at the same time.

In Nigerian, for example, Africa's most populous and most influential nation, factories and warehouses, libraries, hotels, homes, etc, once the industrial and economic backbones of this poor nation, have long been , and are still daily being converted and remodelled to churches and places of worship.
In Nigeria, churches have nearly taken up all the industrial spaces and warehouses in urban centres.
A businessman, a job creator, looking for a factory or warehouse in the city of Lagos will always be humiliated by church organisations who will outbid him by far in any real estate transaction.

What accounts for this gross and obvious dichotomy between the worlds ?


I mean, what have Africans found in churches that the Europeans seem to have missed or are missing ?

What secret divine knowledge or wisdom or riches did we inherit that the avante guarde Europeans are hopelessly oblivious to ?

lepasharon:
Lool Americans are still very much religious oo

KingEbukasBlog:


^^^

Mr. P should stick to criticism please , I cannot deal with this abeg . Nigeria has a land area of close to 1 million km^sq and less than 0.002% of that being used for religious purposes is what is bothering plaetton .. lmao

hahn:
Let me try. Some of the reasons why we seem to observe this sad phenomenom are:

1) Lack of quality health care: When a Nigerian falls sick or is involved in an accident, really what he needs is a "miracle" because we lack the necessary and up to date facilities to perform successful healing procedures

2) Lack of electricity: due to lack of electricity which makes it difficult to successfully plan your day you have to resort to praying for a miracle to be able to perform simple tasks such as ironing your clothes for a job interview or even drink cold water

3) Lack of quality education: Most Nigerians are victims of a very deplorable educational system. Waec students of 2015 will still answer 1980 questions and study from 1980 textbooks. Imagine people who believe that bathing in salt water can cure ebola. Their minds are unable to process new ideas or detect that they are being brainwashed

4) Religion promotes hypocricy: A christian, for instance, can go to the club, take drugs, sleep with different women, lie, cheat, show envy, burn up "suspects" without a fair trial and will still boldy go to church on Sunday and ask for forgiveness and then believe they are qualified for "heaven". That's hypocricy

5) Lack of proper security: Since one can't dial 911 and expect the police at your doorstep within 5mins ready to "protect" you the only option is to expect help from above

If an average Nigerian can come home to a house with electricity, have access to quality health care, quality healthcare and is guaranteed a stable economy to run his business quality judiaciary system, proper crime solving and security procedures he wouldn't need to pray to god because his "problems" will already be solved

plaetton:


KingEbukasBlog,
Listen carefully.

You seldom contribute anything of value to any discussion.
I confess, silly antics irritate me, not because of differences in opinions, but you have very low comprehension problems that doesn't allow You to zone in on the root of a discussion and contribute meaningfully.
I take it you are a teenager or so.

Let me offer You a guide.
This op is like your jamb or Waec english question.
I have given You a scenario, given you some facts,given You proper context, offered my opinion, and then asked You simple logical questions based on facts presented.

Now, if you want to refute the facts, in this case that churches are closing in record numbers throughout Europe and America, then pls go ahead and present your own facts.
If you want to dispute that churches are mushrooming in Nigeria at 10x the pace, kindly make your case with facts as well.

If on the other hand, You want to give reasons for the obvious dichotomy, You are more than welcome to do that.

But, what You been doing on this thread is acting like a jester, a clown in a king s court.
This is perhaps how low You think of yourself.

Pls step up your game, grow and contribute meaningfully.
Desist from kneejerk reactions . Think thoroughly about the meat of the issue.
Good luck.

davidylan:
I notice Plaetton cannot answer questions on DNA and how it jives with the second law of thermodynamics... so he gravitates to what he knows best... mockery

plaetton:


My simple question is what do we see in churches today that your so called white man is not seeing?

Are we simply going in opposite directions in TIME?
And why.
Task your little brain, and try explaining the reasons.

plaetton:

Yes. Certain regions of the US, notably the Southern parts. But it still remains the merchantilistic christianity that thrives there.
Statistically, religion is on a steady decline in the USA.
Church closings, demolitions and conversions are common throughout the USA.

davidylan:


This is inferiority complex at its very worst... in a sense you're basically admitting that you're inferior to the white man, so if they are dumping religion it must be because of something far superior that they have discovered?

plaetton:


See dishonesty.

It is not inferiority complex to question why a people that gifted You with something supposedly precious, seem to have been discarding this gift like a plague, whilst You are still clutching joyfully to that same object.

Common sense should warrant You to ask whether You had been duped, and then re-examine the useful utility of this gift.

hahn:
Let me try. Some of the reasons why we seem to observe this sad phenomenom are:

1) Lack of quality health care: When a Nigerian falls sick or is involved in an accident, really what he needs is a "miracle" because we lack the necessary and up to date facilities to perform successful healing procedures

2) Lack of electricity: due to lack of electricity which makes it difficult to successfully plan your day you have to resort to praying for a miracle to be able to perform simple tasks such as ironing your clothes for a job interview or even drink cold water

3) Lack of quality education: Most Nigerians are victims of a very deplorable educational system. Waec students of 2015 will still answer 1980 questions and study from 1980 textbooks. Imagine people who believe that bathing in salt water can cure ebola. Their minds are unable to process new ideas or detect that they are being brainwashed

4) Religion promotes hypocricy: A christian, for instance, can go to the club, take drugs, sleep with different women, lie, cheat, show envy, burn up "suspects" without a fair trial and will still boldy go to church on Sunday and ask for forgiveness and then believe they are qualified for "heaven". That's hypocricy

5) Lack of proper security: Since one can't dial 911 and expect the police at your doorstep within 5mins ready to "protect" you the only option is to expect help from above

If an average Nigerian can come home to a house with electricity, have access to quality health care, quality healthcare and is guaranteed a stable economy to run his business quality judiaciary system, proper crime solving and security procedures he wouldn't need to pray to god because his "problems" will already be solved

KingEbukasBlog:


You should know that hospitals in villages lack quality health equipment . And most villagers are pagans . Op is talking of urban areas . Dont urban areas in Nigeria offer quality health care services ?

You obviously don't live in Nigeria or you don't know what it means to have quality health services. Can you call an emergency number in Lagos, Abuja, Port Harcourt etc and have an ambulance arrive at your doorstep within 10mins with personnel equiped with knowledge of standard first aid procedure or live saving equipments? Do you realise that in some hospitals patients have to hold up torchlights while they are being operated on?

This is childish

because.....


Developed countries are still much very religious

But not as religious as under developed countries

"Religion promotes hypocricy" and I see a cheap attempt to mock Christians . Why attack Christians only when you clearly mentioned Religion ? And atheism isnt hypocrisy? "Energy is self-existent " is science but "God is self-existent " is magic . A popular jester said this

sorry, I didn't mean to attack on christianity. Atheism is not a religion. Well, we can feel energy but can't feel god as he seems to only exist in the brain

Police in UAE are one of the best equipped in the world - their crime rate speaks for itself . But they are very religious

Their crime rate speaks for itself because they are a very religious country despite having an equipped police force

Weak points raised ... hahn go and sleep please

dabosuker:


Bulls Eye!!!...I was beginning to think i was the only one with this Theory.
we live in a society where Nothing works, where the govt & system are lousy & non existent. a society where you provide road for yourself, water for yourself, electricity for your self, security for your self, a society that leaves you at your own mercy, ...offcourse where else do you look to , some supernatural help or miracle, & that leads you to the church , & in church istead of the preacher to tell you the truth that the hardship or your problems are being caused by bad governance , the preacher would keep telling you that the devil is the cause of your problem, so sad. In Nigeria the biggest gainers from bad governance are not the guys selling black market petrol on the roads, but the Religious leaders. If things worked in Nigeria as supposed to, less people would crowd those religious centres.
You spend hours in Church binding the devil whom you do not even see, rather than physically holding responsible the nearest LGA chairman or counselor . The churches should spend less time binding the devil & more time asking each & every member to summon their councilors & LGA chairmen & assess workdone & accountability . Only then can Religion start transforming us for the best , this is why i keep saying the CHURCH has failed, speaking from a Christian point of view.

hahn:


It's Monday mate! I wasn't expecting you to face reality anyway

KingEbukasBlog:


I pity you guys . This trash only works behind the keyboard , say it to people's faces and see what happens

Actually people here know i am very much atheistic. . . Many a time they have called me out to debate some door to door evangelists, they love discussing with me and call me when an argument gets tough within them. . .

I don't know about you but not everyone is that intolerant because i know i don't hide my atheistic views and i have a lot of respect here.

Are you telling me you would kill or attack an atheist if you meet one?