italo:


An Atheistic constitutional amendment done and implemented by an Atheistic Govt run by Atheists...to kill in the name of Atheism.

Hahahahaha sorry bob, you have no case... Go grab a book and read what government is

johnydon22:

[b][i[You know for me to list out the atrocities committed by the church and popes through out history ranging from the killing of the knight templars and countess others won't clear the fact that the action of an individual molesting a child is bad.

Those atheist molesting kids all do so as their own individual action and it has nothing to do with atheists because atheism is not doctrine or dogma or religion, just a name labeled to people who lack belief in Gods.

Their actions are as bad as that of the catholic priests who do same in the sacristy with little altar boys all over the world of which airs in the news everyday.

But the actions of these priests are all actions of individuals and have nothing to do with other catholics or catholicism so too does the action of one atheist the sole doing of that atheist and has nothing to do with concept of atheism.

Learn to attribute individual behaviours on the individual and stop stereotyping these half baked childish fallacies. [/i][/b

italo:

My initial statement was that Atheists kill and molest children and justify it...and I have given clear examples of Nambla and Atheistic Govt...there are many more examples.

the moment a Christian tells you "it is right for me to molest a child," he has begun to chart his way out of Christianity. That is heresy!

johnydon22:
And you keep showing you are not well at all..

"They helped developed the modern idea of scientific method not SCIENCE in essense"

We are talking about SCIENCE not scientific method... There is an obvious distinction between SCIENCE and SCIENTIFIC METHODS. scientific methods are just methods of scientific application of which we have many!

Seems Wikipedia english confuses you a lot.... Even more so many scientific methods have been in play since the ancient times..

During the ancient times egypt had a school "The egyptian mystery school" which formulated most of the scientific knowledge you have now Biology, Physics, Alchemy, Mathematics, Astrology, even medical sciences and others. And this school produced the likes Imhotep, Pythagoras even plato....

Stop confusing yourself with the linguistic addition of the word science with the concept of SCIENCE or should should i now say NATURAL PHILOSOPHY so you don't keep confusing yourself

italo:


Science in the modern sense of the word, refers mainly to the Scientific method that Roger Bacon developed.

The real breakthrough in the development of the scientific method, however, came from a man named Roger Bacon. Roger Bacon (1214-1294) was an English philosopher often considered the 'Father of the Scientific Method'. Bacon's contribution to the development of the scientific method stems from his emphasis on experimentation. Bacon suggested scientific truth could be found out through the cycle of observation, hypothesis, experimentation, and independent verification.


http://study.com/academy/lesson/bacon-descartes-the-scientific-method.html

This one is not

And your copy and pastes still proves you wrong all the time... Scientific Method is not Science in general. . .

Roger Bacon played an important role in the development of MODERN scientific METHOD but there were still ancient scientific methods in play before then.

Observation, experimentation were all part of the ancient Scientific method which still are maintained in this modern scientific method.

When you pick up a pythgoras theorem just know that pythagoras helped develop mathematics but was not the inventor of mathematics or even the theorem itself

So boy pick up a book and stop disgracing yourself by asserting the church invented science when science (Natural philosophy) predates it by thousands of years.

By the way i like the fact you agree Bacon was a philosopher further buttress my point and teachings to you in the other thread that both theology( religion) and science (Natural philosophy) are all off shoots of the noble art of Philosophy

You really need to step up your game and study more.. i recommend you go to a seminary it will do you a lot of good study wise ... lol

johnydon22:
[b]And by so doing you stereotyped by attributing individual and political actions to a whole. . . . Nambla movement is a movement that involves both theist and atheist, these are individual ideological and orientation and has nothing to do with belief or unbelief in a deity... Even the nambla movement claimed to recruit through the catholic church.

johnydon22:


Atheism is not a religion or doctrine, its just a position of unbelief. . . So people who act of their orientation or ideologies in the state of unbelief do so at their own accord ..

johnydon22:
[b]And your copy and pastes still proves you wrong all the time... Scientific Method is not Science in general. . .

Roger Bacon played an important role in the development of MODERN scientific METHOD but there were still ancient scientific methods in play before then.

Observation, experimentation were all part of the ancient Scientific method which still are maintained in this modern scientific method.

When you pick up a pythgoras theorem just know that pythagoras helped develop mathematics but was not the inventor of mathematics or even the theorem itself

So boy pick up a book and stop disgracing yourself by asserting the church invented science when science (Natural philosophy) predates it by thousands of years.

By the way i like the fact you agree Bacon was a philosopher further buttress my point and teachings to you in the other thread that both theology( religion) and science (Natural philosophy) are all off shoots of the noble art of Philosophy

You really need to step up your game and study more.. i recommend you go to a seminary it will do you a lot of good study wise ... lol [/b]

italo:

Here are some of the evils of the Catholic Church:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_health_care

To be cntd...

italo:


During the Middle Ages, the Church founded Europe's first universities, producing scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas, who helped establish scientific method https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science

Keep dancing around.

italo:


I didn't stereotype. I gave irrefutable examples of Atheists justifying their crimes...some in the name of Atheism.

Hahahahaha so you showed us where the atheist scripture stipulated that thou shall commit crime. . ?

The thing is you can never attribute an individual crime to atheism because atheism is not a doctrine or religion just a state of unbelief.. This is like saying: "John terry slept with someone's wife, therefore that action is the evil of football" You don't even know how silly you sound

I will tell any Christian who justifies his sin as "right" that he is a heretic. I haven't seen a pedophile priest claim to be right yet.

Yes, those Atheists kill in the name of Atheism...on their own.

Oh not this childish defence again..

Alright then show us an atheist creed or doctrine followed by atheist to justify or lay basis to their actions, just like i can show you the bible commandments

If you cant then it only shows actions of people has nothing to do with their position of unbelief because there are no doctrines or law in unbelief

italo:


Science in the modern sense of the word, refers mainly to the Scientific method that Roger Bacon developed.

italo:

My initial statement was that Atheists kill and molest children and justify it...and I have given clear examples of Nambla and Atheistic Govt...there are many more examples.

the moment a Christian tells you "it is right for me to molest a child," he has begun to chart his way out of Christianity. That is heresy!

johnydon22:
Hahahahaha so you showed us where the atheist scripture stipulated that thou shall commit crime. . ?

The thing is you can never attribute an individual crime to atheism because atheism is not a doctrine or religion just a state of unbelief.. This is like saying: "John terry slept with someone's wife, therefore that action is the evil of football" You don't even know how silly you sound

Nobody have accused the church of being pedophiliac because it is just the actions of a few.. And as you know atheism is not a doctrinal position that has any rule..

It simply is "you dont believe in deities then the label for you is atheist." so any action perpetrated by an atheist is sorely an individual action and has nothing to do with the position of unbelief or belief.

[b][i]..
It takes a pedophile to commit pedophilia. .

Oh not this childish defence again..

Alright then show us an atheist creed or doctrine followed by atheist to justify or lay basis to their actions, just like i can show you the bible commandments

If you cant then it only shows actions of people has nothing to do with their position of unbelief because there are no doctrines or law in unbelief

IamLEGEND1:


i'm not sure u understand the difference between the narration of ancient cultures and doctrines.

the bible digressed the customs of the jews and other civilisations, revealing them to have a lower regard for women than men.

the doctrines state clearly a woman is to be treated as an equal.
scratch that, they are to be treated as "the weaker vessel", in other words with more care and understanding.

#TryAndUnderstandStuff

Emyben:


You know nothing Ms Safari.

Your post is so sickening if you really are a catholic. And if you insist that italo is brainwashed, give reasons. state too the hypocrisies you mean. Educate us

italo:


The man was an Atheist, his Govt was Atheistic, he/his govt killed millions to suppress religion and advance atheism in the country and beyond...and he/his govt justified the killings.

End of story.

johnydon22:
We are talking about SCIENCE (Natural philosophy so as not to confuse the young ones like you) We are not talking about scientific methods.


Stop disgracing yourself and degrading the intellect of catholics by not knowing the difference between SCIENCE and scientific methods let alone modern scientific method...

Janiwili:
Our problem is not religion but our mindset

adsonstone:



Who's dancing around, you or I?
Ignorance is truly killing you.

Adult roman catholic, keep reveling in self deceit, lies and hypocrisy...in public, you're well known for that.

freecocoa:
And the day any atheist tells you its okay to molest and kill children, he is deviated from atheism, that's a lie, that's not atheism.

Like why can't you use your brain? How hard is that?

italo:


I'm talking about Science in the modern sense of the word, which mainly refers mainly to the Scientific method that Roger Bacon developed...with full observation, experimentation, verification, peer review etc

Not the science that Aristotle and others used to discover that the earth was flat...without proof.

italo:
Now this sounds like Atheism is a doctrine, Johnydon22.

Its a clear misconception on her part of which is obvious..

Whether someone is good or bad has no effect or anything to do with atheism...anybody's behaviour GOOD or BAD is sorely their doing..

Atheist simply means "This guy disbelieves the existence of deities

marcondo13:


Do you know that it took a vote of plus one before a Church council decided that black people have souls?

marcondo13:


How did certain books become excluded from the Bible as the Appocrypha at a church council when only one of the members present was literate?

marcondo13:



If you are a true catholic, can you tell us what happens to a dead Pope at a secret conclave, who have been found guilty of breaking the laws of the Mother Church? Normally, the Fisherman's ring is only destroyed, but for a defaulting Pope, several fingers are also cut off! If you think that I am kidding, ask any Catholic Priest that you know!

marcondo13:



There are issues every where in the religious circle! Muslims killing Christians and Buddhists killing Muslims! It is really a crazy world!

johnydon22:
Its a clear misconception on her part of which is obvious..

Whether someone is good or bad has no effect or anything to do with atheism...anybody's behaviour GOOD or BAD is sorely their doing..

Atheist simply means "This guy disbelieves the existence of deities

johnydon22:
[b]Lmao and you further castigate yourself more on your ignorance about ancient science...

First of all by mentioning SCIENCE of Aristotle era you have agreed science was before the emergence of your church even though you now misrepresented it in order to down write it.

Ancient greeks knew the earth was round, even ancient egypt and sumer knew this little fact and they had telescope to OBSERVE this and the phenomenon of star constellations.

They observed the existence of other planets and planetary rotations. . .

Pythagoras fully developed the pythagoras theorem and proved it of which am proud to say you still suffer his bullshiit in class today as SOHCAHTOA.

Egyptians had a sound knowledge of geometry evident enough in the pyramids, they even left behind writings on papyrus on Physics, biology, alchemy, astrology and so on of which many of this knowledge we still see in the classrooms.

An ancient egyptian physician imhotep performed surgery long before the emergence of greek civilization even...

SCIENCE in the ancient days had a philosophical approach and yet still had the ingredients that defines modern science now which is OBSERVATION and EXPERIMENTATION ..

You only ended up showing to be quite naive about history and ancient antiquities and science [/b]

johnydon22:

SCIENCE in the ancient days had a philosophical approach and yet still had the ingredients that defines modern science now which is OBSERVATION and EXPERIMENTATION ..

You only ended up showing to be quite naive about history and ancient antiquities and science [/i][/b]

shalomm:


I'm Christian and Proud. but bro you just commit a blunder by saying the bolded statement of yours.... Soviet Union, North korea, Cambodia are we hearing any issue of those country legalizing gay marriage or the LGBTC community? are u saying Russia has no Christians? or aren't there christian in North Korea?

italo:


What lie or hypocrisy?

That the Catholic Church invented the modern university system...

That it is the biggest Charity in the world?

That it practically invented Science when Friar Roger Bacon advanced the Scientific method at the behest of the Pope...which is the way Science is practised today?

marcondo13:


They need to read the open letter by President Vladimir Putin of Russia to Obama about the American people losing their Christian identity! Putin and his family belongs to the Russian Othordox Church, likewise most of the apparachitiks of the Communist Party! I don't really know why people keep referring to Russia as athiest. The glastnost is over, wake up!