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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by abagoro(m): 9:42pm On Jul 26, 2015
ROSSIKE:


Well, firstly, I'm not gay, and secondly, you need to explain what you mean by ''nature made sex strictly for procreation''. How the hell do you know what ''nature'' made sex for? Who are you to make such a pronouncement, and based on what?

Both as a Christian, Anatomist, Atheist and African traditional religionist its obvious that sex is for procreation. If not females would not need male to reproduce.

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by TRUTHTOPOWER: 10:34pm On Jul 26, 2015
ROSSIKE:
It must come as a real shock to many people to learn that their anti-gay sentiments actually derive from their colonisation, and not their 'African culture' - a culture which most of them really have no clue about.

Everything that involves intrinsically perverse facets in Africa is unAfrican. By perverse I mean (1) not widespread (2) dirty. (homo) philia is natural but (homo) sex has no anatomical basis. as it is unnatural to walk on my hands, it is also unnatural to subject non-genital organ to sexual use. The question is what happens if we do what is anatomically unnatural? When it is about sex the consequence is multidimensional, sexual meltdown as we have in Western countries. This places a greater burden on health and social fabrique. can poor African countries permit this as a sacrifice for homosexual minorities. the answer is no. will Africa evolve? not likely! heterosexuality supports gender separation. when you mix things up the current system will collapse and it will be bad for all.

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by Nobody: 10:36pm On Jul 26, 2015
Find a cure for Ebola and HIV.
This is much more important than trying to get African men to sleep with other African men and ignore all the fine fine African women . .
Nonsense

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by Nobody: 10:36pm On Jul 26, 2015
ROSSIKE:


There is no law that says that human sexual intercourse must lead to reproduction or procreation. I don't see how the survival of the human race is at risk since there will always be far more heterosexual people than non-heterosexual, by reason of genetical disposition. One may in fact surmise that a certain allowance for a homosexual population can help to check global overpopulation by curtailing the number of births issuing from sexual intercourse. A sort of natural birth control mechanism if you like.
Good. I don't think there necessarily has to be a law either.

But then, I don't think culture is a permanent thing. We don't have to thread in the ways of our forefathers before we lay any claim to culture. Once we repeat, over time, a certain convictions we have culture in practise.

And I think Homosexuality in this era runs opposite to the cultures in practise in Africa now and thus not an African thing. Tell me why you disagree if you do.

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by BannedOtherView: 10:52pm On Jul 26, 2015
abagoro:


Both as a Christian, Anatomist, Atheist and African traditional religionist its obvious that sex is for procreation. If not females would not need male to reproduce.

I am afraid this is a puerile argument which does little to counter Rossike's assertion.
(1) Do you procreate every time you have sex?
(2) Should those who are incapable of procreating (men and women alike) abstain from sex?

#ElevateTheDebate

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by omonnakoda: 11:02pm On Jul 26, 2015
Murder,stealing adultery,incest etc are Un-African that does not mean they do not exist in Africa.It means they are NOT ACCEPTED
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by BannedOtherView: 11:14pm On Jul 26, 2015
omonnakoda:
Murder,stealing adultery,incest etc are Un-African that does not mean they do not exist in Africa.It means they are NOT ACCEPTED

Not true!
There is plenty of evidence that points to colonialism as the root of the homophobia, which currently pervades across Africa.

Like so many pan-African trends, this one appears to have its origins in the colonial era, when a handful of European powers carved up the continent during the 19th and 20th centuries. (Before colonialism, at least some African societies appear to have accepted homosexuality, the Africa scholar Deborah Amory has written.) At the time, the rigorously conservative social codes of the Victorian era were sweeping through Europe, particularly the United Kingdom; this included passionately held and severely enforced laws against homosexuality. The colonial powers, organizing their African colonies within largely arbitrary borders and writing constitutions from scratch, imposed these sodomy laws across the continent.

When Europe began giving up its colonies after the end of World War Two, most of Africa's newly independent states decided to keep the colonial-era constitutions. A study by Human Rights Watch found that half of the world's "sodomy laws" criminalizing homosexuality are direct hold-overs from British colonial rule; former French and Portuguese colonies retained the laws as well.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/06/27/from-colonialism-to-kill-the-gays-the-surprisingly-recent-roots-of-homophobia-in-africa/

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by Nobody: 11:15pm On Jul 26, 2015
OP... please read Leveticus 20 v 13... It is a book in the Old Testament. Homosexuality is wrong.... And even the bible condemns it.... Saying people who indulge in such acts should be stoned. Please read
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by Nobody: 11:18pm On Jul 26, 2015
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ROSSIKE:
[b]Homosexuality is not un-African



It is legalized homophobia, not same-sex relations, that is alien to Africa

April 26, 2014

by Sylvia Tamale

During a prime time interview with BBC’s “Hard Talk” show in March 2012, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni noted, “Homosexuals in small numbers have always existed in our part of black Africa …They were never prosecuted. They were never discriminated against.”

Earlier this year, confronted by internal and external pressure, Museveni reversed himself and signed the Anti-Homosexuality Bill in the full glare of the media — declaring that homosexuality was Western-imposed. Before signing the law, Museveni asked a team of top-notch Ugandan scientists to help him make an educated decision. The panel’s report did not mince words: “In every society, there is a small number of people with homosexual tendencies.”

Museveni’s bizarre actions can only be interpreted as a political ploy ahead of presidential elections scheduled for early 2016. Having been at the helm since 1986, Museveni faces serious competition both within and outside his party, not to mention a restless population afflicted by a high cost of living, unemployment and a general disgust with rampant corruption. By the stroke of a pen, Museveni succumbed to populist pressures and condemned an otherwise law-abiding sexual minority to maximum sentences of life imprisonment.

Uganda is not alone in its anti-gay crusade. Nigeria recently passed a law criminalizing homosexuality. Several other African countries — including Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, Cameroon and Sierra Leone — have all expressed the desire to emulate Uganda and Nigeria. At least 38 African countries already proscribe consensual same-sex behavior.

The sad, tired but widely accepted myth that homosexuality is un-African has been valorized and erected on the altar of falsehood time after time. It is a myth that has been played out in numerous contexts, most recently over the debate on Uganda’s anti-homosexuality bill. However, historical facts demand that this fable be debunked once and for all.


African sexualities

The 'homosexuality is un-African' myth is anchored on an old practice of selectively invoking African culture by those in power. African women are familiar with the mantra. “It is un-African” whenever they assert their rights, particularly those rights that involve reproductive autonomy and sexual sovereignty.

The mistaken claim that anything is un-African is based on the essentialist assumption that Africa is a homogeneous entity. In reality, however, Africa is made up of thousands of ethnic groups with rich and diverse cultures and sexualities. As appealing as the notion of African culture may be to some people, no such thing exists. Moreover, even if we wanted to imagine an authentic African culture, like all others, it would not be static.

African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.

The vocabulary used to describe same-sex relations in traditional languages, predating colonialism, is further proof of the existence of such relations in precolonial Africa. To name but a few, the Shangaan of southern Africa referred to same-sex relations as “inkotshane” (male-wife); Basotho women in present-day Lesotho engage in socially sanctioned erotic relationships called “motsoalle” (special friend) and in the Wolof language, spoken in Senegal, homosexual men are known as “gor-digen” (men-women). But to be sure, the context and experiences of such relationships did not necessarily mirror homosexual relations as understood in the West, nor were they necessarily consistent with what we now describe as a gay or queer identity.

Same-sex relationships in Africa were far more complex than what the champions of the “un-African” myth would have us believe. Apart from erotic same-sex desire, in precolonial Africa, several other activities were involved in same-sex (or what the colonialists branded “unnatural”) sexuality. For example, the Ndebele and Shona in Zimbabwe, the Azande in Sudan and Congo, the Nupe in Nigeria and the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi all engaged in same-sex acts for spiritual rearmament — i.e., as a source of fresh power for their territories. It was also used for ritual purposes. Among various communities in South Africa, sex education among adolescent peers allowed them to experiment through acts such as “thigh sex” (“hlobonga” among the Zulu, “ukumetsha” among the Xhosa and “gangisa” among the Shangaan).

It is ironic that an African dictator wearing a three-piece suit, caressing an iPhone, speaking in English and liberally quoting the Bible can dare indict anything for being un-African.

In many African societies, same-sex sexuality was also believed to be a source of magical powers to guarantee bountiful crop yields and abundant hunting, good health and to ward off evil spirits. In Angola and Namibia, for instance, a caste of male diviners — known as “zvibanda,” “chibados,” “quimbanda,” gangas” and “kibambaa” — were believed to carry powerful female spirits that they would pass on to fellow men through anal sex.

Even today, marriages between women for reproductive, economic and diplomatic reasons still exist among the Nandi and Kisii of Kenya, the Igbo of Nigeria, the Nuer of Sudan and the Kuria of Tanzania. Like elsewhere around the world, anal intercourse between married opposite-sex partners to avoid pregnancy was historically practiced by many Africans before the invention of modern contraceptive methods.

Clearly, it is not homosexuality that is un-African but the laws that criminalized such relations. In other words, what is alien to the continent is legalized homophobia, exported to Africa by the imperialists where there had been indifference to and even tolerance of same-sex relations. In Uganda such laws were introduced by the British and have been part of our penal law since the late 19th century. The current wave of anti-homosexuality laws sweeping across the continent is therefore part of a thinly veiled and wider political attempt to entrench repressive and undemocratic regimes.


Alien to Africa

Equally alien to the continent are the Abrahamic religions (particularly Christianity and Islam) that often accompany and augment the “un-African” arguments against homosexuality. African traditional religions were (and still are) integrated into the people’s holistic and everyday existence. It was intricately tied to their culture, including sexuality.

With the new religions, many sexual practices that were acceptable in precolonial, pre-Islamic and pre-Christian Africa were encoded with tags of “deviant,” “illegitimate” and “criminal” through the process of proselytization and acculturation.

The struggle to win full citizenship for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex groups is global. Even in countries where homosexuality has been decriminalized, the consciousness of the majority has yet to catch up with reformed laws. In order to completely dispel homophobia from Africa, we may have to employ radically new methods of advocacy that resonate with African philosophies such as Ubuntu. This concept encompasses many values — humaneness, solidarity, interdependence, compassion, respect and dignity. It rejects selfish, paternalistic and restrictive regulations issued by rulers riding high moral horses in complete disregard of the interests of their neighbors, their community and their fellow human beings.

The late Nelson Mandela described this philosophy as “the profound sense that we are human only through the humanity of others, that if we are to accomplish anything in this world, it will in equal measure be due to the work and achievements of others.”

The homosexuality-is-un-African mantra negates everything that African history and tradition has transmitted to posterity. A tenet of African philosophy holds that “I am because you are.” In short, it matters little about the differences that each one of us displays but much about the essence of humanity that binds us together. What really matters is the respect for human dignity and diversity.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/homosexuality-africamuseveniugandanigeriaethiopia.html

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. leveticus 20 v 13
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by BannedOtherView: 11:20pm On Jul 26, 2015
krispycash:
OP... please read Leveticus 20 v 13... It is a book in the Old Testament. Homosexuality is wrong.... And even the bible condemns it.... Saying people who indulge in such acts should be stoned. Please read

^^^LoL

Biblical injunction it is then...Let's prescribe death for all the following transgressions cheesy

Sexual acts
All of these used to merit death in ancient times, however with the destruction of the second Jewish temple the Jewish Sanhedrin courts all but abolished the death penalty. In Israel (where Judaic religious courts still exist), capital punishment is allowed only during wartime and only for genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and treason.
Having homosexual intercourse between men (Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13)
Committing adultery between a man and a woman (Leviticus 20:10-12)
Lying about virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)[4]
Being one of the majority of women that don’t bleed when losing your virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)[5]
Being the daughter of a priest and practicing prostitution (Leviticus 21:9)[6]
Raping an engaged female virgin (Deuteronomy 22:25)[7]
If an engaged female virgin, being raped in a city (Deuteronomy 22:23-27)[8]
Being male and practicing bestiality (Leviticus 20:15)[9]
Being female and practicing bestiality (Leviticus 20:16)[9]
Having sex with your father’s wife (Leviticus 20:20)[10]
Having sex with your daughter-in-law (Leviticus 20:30)
Having incestual sex (Leviticus 20:17)
Marrying a woman and her daughter(Leviticus 20:14)[11]
Having sex with a woman who is menstruating (Leviticus 20:18)
A few of these crimes demand that the "sinners" be burned to death rather than stoned to death, the more usual form of capital punishment. One can wonder why these crimes in particular merit this especially horrible fate.[12]

Food and drink
Consuming blood (Genesis 9:4), Leviticus 17:10[13]
Eating a cheeseburger or anything that mixes meat and dairy (Exodus 23:19)
Sacrificing anything with yeast or honey (Leviticus 2:11)
Eating leavened bread (bread with yeast) during the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Exodus 12:15)
Eating fat (Leviticus 3:17)
Eating pork (Leviticus 11:7-cool
Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices (Leviticus 19:5-cool
Eating aquatic creatures lacking fins or scales (Deuteronomy 14:9-10)
Eating any meat not killed according to the Kosher practice (Deuteronomy 12:21)
Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean (Leviticus 7:20)

Religious
Being a male who is not circumcised. (Genesis 17:14)
Trying to convert people to another religion (Deuteronomy 13:1-11, Deuteronomy 18:20)[14]
Worshiping idols (Exodus 22:20, Leviticus 20:1-5, Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
Practicing magic (Exodus 22:18)[15]
Blaspheming (Leviticus 24:14-16, 23)
Breaking the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-36)
Consulting a psychic or spiritualist (Leviticus 19:31)
Being a psychic, medium or spiritualist (Leviticus 20:27)[16]
Being a town that believes in another, non-YHWH god (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)[17]
Giving one of your descendants to Molech (Leviticus 20:2)[18]
Not being a priest and going near the tabernacle when it is being moved (Numbers 1:51)
Being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5, Deuteronomy 18:20, Zechariah 13:2-3)
Performing any work on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10)
Going to the temple in an unclean state (Numbers 19:13)
Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple (Leviticus 17:1-9)
Manufacturing anointing oil (Exodus 30:33)

Violent and legal crimes
Murdering a slave (Exodus 21:26-27)[19]
Kidnapping and selling a man (Exodus 21:16)
Perjuring yourself (in certain cases) (Deuteronomy 19:15-21)[20]
Ignoring the judgement of a judge or a priest (Deuteronomy 17:8-13)
Not constraining a known dangerous bull, if the bull subsequently kills a man or a woman (Exodus 21:29)[21]
[edit]Parenting
Striking your parents (Exodus 21:15)
Cursing your parents (Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9)
Being a stubborn, rebellious, profligate, and drunkard son (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)[22]

Daily life
Planting more than one kind of seed in a field (Leviticus 19:19)
Wearing clothing woven of more than one kind of cloth (Leviticus 19:19)
Cutting the hair on the sides of your head or clipping of the edges of your beard (Leviticus 19:27)[23]
Touching the dead carcass of a pig (Deuteronomy 14:cool
Dressing across gender lines (Deuteronomy 22:5)

Source: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_actions_prohibited_by_the_Bible

Footnote: for rational minds only

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by GoldCircle: 12:18am On Jul 27, 2015
SeverusSnape:
Live and let live. What is my concern with Homosexuals...what is my concern with what two consenting adults do in the confines of their bedroom?
I call this playing the ostrich.

Societies evolve daily and are ever dynamic. From time to time, Each society sets limits for her members defining what is permissible and what is considered taboo. This is what is presently playing our across cultures and societies in today's world. Globalization has made this an even more exciting challenge for students of society as cultures are now interwoven since factors such as religion, commerce,media play a centripetal role of linking cultures; thereby shaping opinions.
If I may ask, would you hold this same view if Audu were to go to the market, buy himself a goat and proceed to wed the goat and copulate with it?

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by Yeske2(m): 12:37am On Jul 27, 2015
BannedOtherView:


^^^LoL

Biblical injunction it is then...Let's prescribe death for all the following transgressions cheesy



Source: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_actions_prohibited_by_the_Bible

Footnote: for rational minds only
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by Change2015(m): 2:09am On Jul 27, 2015
TRUTHTOPOWER:


Everything that involves intrinsically perverse facets in Africa is unAfrican. By perverse I mean (1) not widespread (2) dirty. (homo) philia is natural but (homo) sex has no anatomical basis. as it is unnatural to walk on my hands, it is also unnatural to subject non-genital organ to sexual use. The question is what happens if we do what is anatomically unnatural? When it is about sex the consequence is multidimensional, sexual meltdown as we have in Western countries. This places a greater burden on health and social fabrique. can poor African countries permit this as a sacrifice for homosexual minorities. the answer is no. will Africa evolve? not likely! heterosexuality supports gender separation. when you mix things up the current system will collapse and it will be bad for all.

Lol. Astounding ignorance on display. This is not a drunken beer parlour discussion!

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by OPCNAIRALAND: 2:33am On Jul 27, 2015
ROSSIKE:
It must come as a real shock to many people to learn that their anti-gay sentiments actually derive from their colonisation, and not their 'African culture' - a culture which most of them really have no clue about.

naaah, take that shyyte somewhere else, you effeminate fa.g.got!

If it was African it will be a widespread practice particularly amongst the elite rulers of ancient African Empires that kept slaves, but this wasn't the case.

This homs.xuality curse is found amongst tribes that do not practice polygamy. Polygamy is a widespread practice in Africa. The few societies that are not polygamous are where you find homs.xuality.
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by mensdept: 3:59am On Jul 27, 2015
The truth is homosexuality is a non issue as far as Africans are concerned- unless they or a love one is of course a gay.

Back to how we can build roads and develop our infrastructure abeg

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by onoja12: 4:09am On Jul 27, 2015
rubbish,gayism affect everybody,it wipes out human race and forces our children to be what they are not.gayism is a mental sickness and you lie gayism was first practised by the romans it is strange to african culture infact you were killed right away if you were found.so save me this rubbish,if you like spend billion of dollar on campaign we in africa say no to this madness and am happy because the more you people push this rubbish,the more africans unite against the west


ROSSIKE:
Homosexuality is not un-African


It is legalized homophobia, not same-sex relations, that is alien to Africa

April 26, 2014

by Sylvia Tamale

During a prime time interview with BBC’s “Hard Talk” show in March 2012, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni noted, “Homosexuals in small numbers have always existed in our part of black Africa …They were never prosecuted. They were never discriminated against.”

Earlier this year, confronted by internal and external pressure, Museveni reversed himself and signed the Anti-Homosexuality Bill in the full glare of the media — declaring that homosexuality was Western-imposed. Before signing the law, Museveni asked a team of top-notch Ugandan scientists to help him make an educated decision. The panel’s report did not mince words: “In every society, there is a small number of people with homosexual tendencies.”

Museveni’s bizarre actions can only be interpreted as a political ploy ahead of presidential elections scheduled for early 2016. Having been at the helm since 1986, Museveni faces serious competition both within and outside his party, not to mention a restless population afflicted by a high cost of living, unemployment and a general disgust with rampant corruption. By the stroke of a pen, Museveni succumbed to populist pressures and condemned an otherwise law-abiding sexual minority to maximum sentences of life imprisonment.

Uganda is not alone in its anti-gay crusade. Nigeria recently passed a law criminalizing homosexuality. Several other African countries — including Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, Cameroon and Sierra Leone — have all expressed the desire to emulate Uganda and Nigeria. At least 38 African countries already proscribe consensual same-sex behavior.

The sad, tired but widely accepted myth that homosexuality is un-African has been valorized and erected on the altar of falsehood time after time. It is a myth that has been played out in numerous contexts, most recently over the debate on Uganda’s anti-homosexuality bill. However, historical facts demand that this fable be debunked once and for all.


African sexualities

The 'homosexuality is un-African' myth is anchored on an old practice of selectively invoking African culture by those in power. African women are familiar with the mantra. “It is un-African” whenever they assert their rights, particularly those rights that involve reproductive autonomy and sexual sovereignty.

The mistaken claim that anything is un-African is based on the essentialist assumption that Africa is a homogeneous entity. In reality, however, Africa is made up of thousands of ethnic groups with rich and diverse cultures and sexualities. As appealing as the notion of African culture may be to some people, no such thing exists. Moreover, even if we wanted to imagine an authentic African culture, like all others, it would not be static.

African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.

The vocabulary used to describe same-sex relations in traditional languages, predating colonialism, is further proof of the existence of such relations in precolonial Africa. To name but a few, the Shangaan of southern Africa referred to same-sex relations as “inkotshane” (male-wife); Basotho women in present-day Lesotho engage in socially sanctioned erotic relationships called “motsoalle” (special friend) and in the Wolof language, spoken in Senegal, homosexual men are known as “gor-digen” (men-women). But to be sure, the context and experiences of such relationships did not necessarily mirror homosexual relations as understood in the West, nor were they necessarily consistent with what we now describe as a gay or queer identity.

Same-sex relationships in Africa were far more complex than what the champions of the “un-African” myth would have us believe. Apart from erotic same-sex desire, in precolonial Africa, several other activities were involved in same-sex (or what the colonialists branded “unnatural”) sexuality. For example, the Ndebele and Shona in Zimbabwe, the Azande in Sudan and Congo, the Nupe in Nigeria and the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi all engaged in same-sex acts for spiritual rearmament — i.e., as a source of fresh power for their territories. It was also used for ritual purposes. Among various communities in South Africa, sex education among adolescent peers allowed them to experiment through acts such as “thigh sex” (“hlobonga” among the Zulu, “ukumetsha” among the Xhosa and “gangisa” among the Shangaan).

It is ironic that an African dictator wearing a three-piece suit, caressing an iPhone, speaking in English and liberally quoting the Bible can dare indict anything for being un-African.

In many African societies, same-sex sexuality was also believed to be a source of magical powers to guarantee bountiful crop yields and abundant hunting, good health and to ward off evil spirits. In Angola and Namibia, for instance, a caste of male diviners — known as “zvibanda,” “chibados,” “quimbanda,” gangas” and “kibambaa” — were believed to carry powerful female spirits that they would pass on to fellow men through anal sex.

Even today, marriages between women for reproductive, economic and diplomatic reasons still exist among the Nandi and Kisii of Kenya, the Igbo of Nigeria, the Nuer of Sudan and the Kuria of Tanzania. Like elsewhere around the world, anal intercourse between married opposite-sex partners to avoid pregnancy was historically practiced by many Africans before the invention of modern contraceptive methods.

Clearly, it is not homosexuality that is un-African but the laws that criminalized such relations. In other words, what is alien to the continent is legalized homophobia, exported to Africa by the imperialists where there had been indifference to and even tolerance of same-sex relations. In Uganda such laws were introduced by the British and have been part of our penal law since the late 19th century. The current wave of anti-homosexuality laws sweeping across the continent is therefore part of a thinly veiled and wider political attempt to entrench repressive and undemocratic regimes.


Alien to Africa

Equally alien to the continent are the Abrahamic religions (particularly Christianity and Islam) that often accompany and augment the “un-African” arguments against homosexuality. African traditional religions were (and still are) integrated into the people’s holistic and everyday existence. It was intricately tied to their culture, including sexuality.

With the new religions, many sexual practices that were acceptable in precolonial, pre-Islamic and pre-Christian Africa were encoded with tags of “deviant,” “illegitimate” and “criminal” through the process of proselytization and acculturation.

The struggle to win full citizenship for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex groups is global. Even in countries where homosexuality has been decriminalized, the consciousness of the majority has yet to catch up with reformed laws. In order to completely dispel homophobia from Africa, we may have to employ radically new methods of advocacy that resonate with African philosophies such as Ubuntu. This concept encompasses many values — humaneness, solidarity, interdependence, compassion, respect and dignity. It rejects selfish, paternalistic and restrictive regulations issued by rulers riding high moral horses in complete disregard of the interests of their neighbors, their community and their fellow human beings.

The late Nelson Mandela described this philosophy as “the profound sense that we are human only through the humanity of others, that if we are to accomplish anything in this world, it will in equal measure be due to the work and achievements of others.”

The homosexuality-is-un-African mantra negates everything that African history and tradition has transmitted to posterity. A tenet of African philosophy holds that “I am because you are.” In short, it matters little about the differences that each one of us displays but much about the essence of humanity that binds us together. What really matters is the respect for human dignity and diversity.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/homosexuality-africamuseveniugandanigeriaethiopia.html
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by slam7000(m): 4:51am On Jul 27, 2015
@ Rossike, as much as we would want to hide this, this topic has always sadly been with us. Among the Hausa/fulanis, DANDAUDUS or Yan daudus exist among them. Below is a link on a study about them. I will also try and send a link from the Togo/Benin Yoruba tribes practising this. Among the military circle in the northern part of Nigeria I was told, some men of the armed forces practice this. I am not sure of that and can't prove it.

http://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:129295/FULLTEXT01.pdf.

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by kasheemawo(m): 5:02am On Jul 27, 2015
SeverusSnape:
Live and let live. What is my concern with Homosexuals...what is my concern with what two consenting adults do in the confines of their bedroom?
this boy is a gay
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by rexbuton: 5:16am On Jul 27, 2015
I'm disappointed that we're even debating this issue! It is obvious we really have fifth columnists in this struggle against these depraved LGBTQ people.
Mr. Ross Ike (rossike) test our resolve by practicing any gay act openly in nigeria, and you will be able to teach Heat of Combustion in chemistry cos a nice bridgestone or firestone tyre would be affixed to your midrib, and everything about enthalpy and entropy would be in your head forever. America won't save you, Your gay brethren won't save you, they can only come and like your posts anonymously or come as guests to view your charred remains. And we would have rid ourselves of a potential child molester and devil in demon clothing
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by lonelydora: 5:32am On Jul 27, 2015
Fp bound. I was here
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by ideykwum: 5:33am On Jul 27, 2015
Anything bothering on sex is a moral subject!


ROSSIKE:


I think it's a non-moral subject to use your term. Ancient Africans understood this very well. They were a remarkably enlightened and tolerant set of people, our ancestors. Much against what we've been led to believe.
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by ideykwum: 5:35am On Jul 27, 2015
It is against the natural dynamics of humanity!!

ROSSIKE:


There is no law that says that human sexual intercourse must lead to reproduction or procreation. I don't see how the survival of the human race is at risk since there will always be far more heterosexual people than non-heterosexual, by reason of genetical disposition. One may in fact surmise that a certain allowance for a homosexual population can help to check global overpopulation by curtailing the number of births issuing from sexual intercourse. A sort of natural birth control mechanism if you like.
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by ideykwum: 5:39am On Jul 27, 2015
He made it based on aggregate or mean deductions! This is how millions of scientific data is validated- by measuring the mean or preponderance of an occurrence! That is why statistics is a veritable tool of a researcher! The simple question, and the bone of contention, is: WHAT IS THE PREPONDERANCE IN TERMS OF HUMAN RELATIONS, SEXUALITY AND NATURAL INCLINATION FROM THE BILLIONS ON EARTH?

The answer certainly isn't homosexuality or any of its dysfunctional variants!


ROSSIKE:


Well, firstly, I'm not gay, and secondly, you need to explain what you mean by ''nature made sex strictly for procreation''. How the hell do you know what ''nature'' made sex for? Who are you to make such a pronouncement, and based on what?
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by ideykwum: 5:44am On Jul 27, 2015
What you say is not alien to Igbos! Okrikans in Rivers State practised the same!! But, both for the Igbos and the Okrikans, it was never for the parties to indulge in homosexual acts, but to have a male impregnate the chosen female so that whoever she gives birth to will bear the name of the family and propagate their dynasty or family name!! Don't get it twisted!



DDoubleUps:
The most annoying part of the whole thing is people judging and condeming full adults for who they love and for how they willingly express their love... saying that homosexual is unafrican is like saying that igbo which is my tribe is unafrican, cause till today it is a common thing in the core rural igbo villages for women to marry other women for reproductive reasons, these women are mostly orphaned only female child of their father and they marry other women and the women gets pregnant from other men while the women that married them is the father and husband of them... why do people that are full of evil so quick to judge others and label them bad? if am gay or not how is it anyones problem? why should gays be banned?
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by sinkhole: 5:46am On Jul 27, 2015
I actually agree with the OP that homo existed and still exists in Africa, but the fact is that, it was never celebrated, people who practised it were never looked upon as being normal, they were seing as being sick or possesed by some spirit and hence needed treatment/cleansing, and some will go as far as killing them(I think Britain did same to homos way back before they changed and approved them)!
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by ideykwum: 5:47am On Jul 27, 2015
Bros, your argument is very valid!!!


omonnakoda:
Murder,stealing adultery,incest etc are Un-African that does not mean they do not exist in Africa.It means they are NOT ACCEPTED
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by Nobody: 6:00am On Jul 27, 2015
ROSSIKE:
Homosexuality is not un-African


It is legalized homophobia, not same-sex relations, that is alien to Africa

April 26, 2014

by Sylvia Tamale

During a prime time interview with BBC’s “Hard Talk” show in March 2012, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni noted, “Homosexuals in small numbers have always existed in our part of black Africa …They were never prosecuted. They were never discriminated against.”

Earlier this year, confronted by internal and external pressure, Museveni reversed himself and signed the Anti-Homosexuality Bill in the full glare of the media — declaring that homosexuality was Western-imposed. Before signing the law, Museveni asked a team of top-notch Ugandan scientists to help him make an educated decision. The panel’s report did not mince words: “In every society, there is a small number of people with homosexual tendencies.”

Museveni’s bizarre actions can only be interpreted as a political ploy ahead of presidential elections scheduled for early 2016. Having been at the helm since 1986, Museveni faces serious competition both within and outside his party, not to mention a restless population afflicted by a high cost of living, unemployment and a general disgust with rampant corruption. By the stroke of a pen, Museveni succumbed to populist pressures and condemned an otherwise law-abiding sexual minority to maximum sentences of life imprisonment.

Uganda is not alone in its anti-gay crusade. Nigeria recently passed a law criminalizing homosexuality. Several other African countries — including Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, Cameroon and Sierra Leone — have all expressed the desire to emulate Uganda and Nigeria. At least 38 African countries already proscribe consensual same-sex behavior.

The sad, tired but widely accepted myth that homosexuality is un-African has been valorized and erected on the altar of falsehood time after time. It is a myth that has been played out in numerous contexts, most recently over the debate on Uganda’s anti-homosexuality bill. However, historical facts demand that this fable be debunked once and for all.


African sexualities

The 'homosexuality is un-African' myth is anchored on an old practice of selectively invoking African culture by those in power. African women are familiar with the mantra. “It is un-African” whenever they assert their rights, particularly those rights that involve reproductive autonomy and sexual sovereignty.

The mistaken claim that anything is un-African is based on the essentialist assumption that Africa is a homogeneous entity. In reality, however, Africa is made up of thousands of ethnic groups with rich and diverse cultures and sexualities. As appealing as the notion of African culture may be to some people, no such thing exists. Moreover, even if we wanted to imagine an authentic African culture, like all others, it would not be static.

African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.

The vocabulary used to describe same-sex relations in traditional languages, predating colonialism, is further proof of the existence of such relations in precolonial Africa. To name but a few, the Shangaan of southern Africa referred to same-sex relations as “inkotshane” (male-wife); Basotho women in present-day Lesotho engage in socially sanctioned erotic relationships called “motsoalle” (special friend) and in the Wolof language, spoken in Senegal, homosexual men are known as “gor-digen” (men-women). But to be sure, the context and experiences of such relationships did not necessarily mirror homosexual relations as understood in the West, nor were they necessarily consistent with what we now describe as a gay or queer identity.

Same-sex relationships in Africa were far more complex than what the champions of the “un-African” myth would have us believe. Apart from erotic same-sex desire, in precolonial Africa, several other activities were involved in same-sex (or what the colonialists branded “unnatural”) sexuality. For example, the Ndebele and Shona in Zimbabwe, the Azande in Sudan and Congo, the Nupe in Nigeria and the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi all engaged in same-sex acts for spiritual rearmament — i.e., as a source of fresh power for their territories. It was also used for ritual purposes. Among various communities in South Africa, sex education among adolescent peers allowed them to experiment through acts such as “thigh sex” (“hlobonga” among the Zulu, “ukumetsha” among the Xhosa and “gangisa” among the Shangaan).

It is ironic that an African dictator wearing a three-piece suit, caressing an iPhone, speaking in English and liberally quoting the Bible can dare indict anything for being un-African.

In many African societies, same-sex sexuality was also believed to be a source of magical powers to guarantee bountiful crop yields and abundant hunting, good health and to ward off evil spirits. In Angola and Namibia, for instance, a caste of male diviners — known as “zvibanda,” “chibados,” “quimbanda,” gangas” and “kibambaa” — were believed to carry powerful female spirits that they would pass on to fellow men through anal sex.

Even today, marriages between women for reproductive, economic and diplomatic reasons still exist among the Nandi and Kisii of Kenya, the Igbo of Nigeria, the Nuer of Sudan and the Kuria of Tanzania. Like elsewhere around the world, anal intercourse between married opposite-sex partners to avoid pregnancy was historically practiced by many Africans before the invention of modern contraceptive methods.

Clearly, it is not homosexuality that is un-African but the laws that criminalized such relations. In other words, what is alien to the continent is legalized homophobia, exported to Africa by the imperialists where there had been indifference to and even tolerance of same-sex relations. In Uganda such laws were introduced by the British and have been part of our penal law since the late 19th century. The current wave of anti-homosexuality laws sweeping across the continent is therefore part of a thinly veiled and wider political attempt to entrench repressive and undemocratic regimes.


Alien to Africa

Equally alien to the continent are the Abrahamic religions (particularly Christianity and Islam) that often accompany and augment the “un-African” arguments against homosexuality. African traditional religions were (and still are) integrated into the people’s holistic and everyday existence. It was intricately tied to their culture, including sexuality.

With the new religions, many sexual practices that were acceptable in precolonial, pre-Islamic and pre-Christian Africa were encoded with tags of “deviant,” “illegitimate” and “criminal” through the process of proselytization and acculturation.

The struggle to win full citizenship for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex groups is global. Even in countries where homosexuality has been decriminalized, the consciousness of the majority has yet to catch up with reformed laws. In order to completely dispel homophobia from Africa, we may have to employ radically new methods of advocacy that resonate with African philosophies such as Ubuntu. This concept encompasses many values — humaneness, solidarity, interdependence, compassion, respect and dignity. It rejects selfish, paternalistic and restrictive regulations issued by rulers riding high moral horses in complete disregard of the interests of their neighbors, their community and their fellow human beings.

The late Nelson Mandela described this philosophy as “the profound sense that we are human only through the humanity of others, that if we are to accomplish anything in this world, it will in equal measure be due to the work and achievements of others.”

The homosexuality-is-un-African mantra negates everything that African history and tradition has transmitted to posterity. A tenet of African philosophy holds that “I am because you are.” In short, it matters little about the differences that each one of us displays but much about the essence of humanity that binds us together. What really matters is the respect for human dignity and diversity.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/homosexuality-africamuseveniugandanigeriaethiopia.html




Gay alert

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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by TRUTHTOPOWER: 6:14am On Jul 27, 2015
Change2015:


Lol. Astounding ignorance on display. This is not a drunken beer parlour discussion!

'Drunken' 'beer parlour' in a 15 word sentence as a response to a point of view containing no vulgarity. It is futile to expect dignity of intellect from a people who are irredeemably stuck on literal filth - no pun intended. it is your preroragative and the justice of your crime is also a societal prerogative. Happily the law does not proscribe homosexuality, so you can do it only on the pain of imprisonment QED.
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by Krest3d: 6:18am On Jul 27, 2015
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Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by Horllamideh(m): 6:26am On Jul 27, 2015
ROSSIKE:


Why exactly should we regard your ''Holy Bible'' as anything other than an irrelevant, imported collection of mythical verses? You've no right to impose your ''Holy Bible'' on Africans.
is that how you feel.....then the west need not impose something as evil as same-sex right on us,that's why i love uganda's crankdown on those evil people,,,,,,kill them whenever you see them
Re: Homosexuality Is NOT Un-African - The Evidence by aresa: 7:00am On Jul 27, 2015
It is of course un African just like all our hand me down colomentality afflictions.

Homo-sexuality- is part of the African landscape and has been since the beginning of time with zero zero issues, discrimination or prejudice same way we practiced our different traditional religions with no worries or conflicts, but the white man showed up with their repressive colonial laws and divisive religions.

Now you are discriminating against yourselves, passing laws and locking up your own brothers and sisters, you are killing and slaughtering yourselves over their imported religion.. The white man realized his errors and poor judgment and is now passing laws to protect his own brothers and sisters while the dumb and clueless black man is foolishly doing the opposite.

Independence didn't stop colonialism, in fact Africans are now the main promoters of the evils of colonialism..

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