Princecalm:
fallacy

Tjayjosh:
How sir?

Tjayjosh:

How sir?

2. God didn’t sacrifice
Jesus. Rather, Jesus, as God
incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No
one forced Him. He laid down His
life willingly, as He made clear
speaking about His life: “No one
takes it from me, but I lay it
down of my own accord. I have
authority to lay it down and
authority to take it up
again” ( John 10:18). God the Son
sacrificed Himself to God the
Father and thereby fulfilled all the
requirements of the Law.

menesheh:



How could a god capable of creating the vast universe, decided to belittle himself by allowing himself to be tortured and executed by what he created in order to forgive himself. Is that not fallacious. Is like after building your house, some years later, you decided to renovate it, would you rather choose to bury huge amount of money in the house first in order to appease the house before making that decision, then renovation process starts. It is your freaking house, you don't have to do that. Just go ahead and renovate your house.


EXCERPT FROM YOUR POST


The reasons why he sacrificed himself is to show human that he is all wonderful, omni- and also to obey the old testament law he put in place as you said, would any all-sensible entity choose to do that in order to show or convince people to start obeying and taking him serious. Is demeaning approach bro.

Why not just forgive himself and stop riding on the path of ridicule.

Tjayjosh:

"For my thoughts are not your thoughs, neither are your ways my ways," declares the lord. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:8-9). God's thoughts and ways are not those of humans. On our own, we could never comprehend God's purposes. God did not belittle himself to forgive himself, rather he did it to forgive us. If you believe in the spiritual, then you should know that spirituality has principles. For example blood sacrifice. "The builder knows the building better." The word "atonement" (Hebrew kippurim) comes from the verb kaphar, which means "to cover over." The word suggests that sin can be covered or removed from sight by making a payment or "ransom" equal in value to the wrong that was done. Atonement is necessary to cover the sin that we commit against God, as well as the debt that we owe because of them. And according to God's principle; all sin requires atonement because all sin is rebellion against him. (Ex 30:12; Nu 35:31; ps 49:7; Isa 43:3.)

menesheh:



How did you know about the things of the spirit?

Tjayjosh:

Constant study of the word of God.

johnydon22:
So God could not just forgive your sins unless he had his son murdered... Sounds barbaric

johnydon22:
So God could not just forgive your sins unless he had his son murdered... Sounds barbaric

hahn:


Apparently, god is all powerful and all vengeful as well because even though Jesus died for our sins we'll still end up in hell for our sins.

Then why did he die in the first place?

sonmvayina:


Exactly, the second attempt is even more ridiculus than the first, after the failed attempt at drowning every one in a flood. people ending up in hell makes the calvary tale worthless..

johnydon22:
So God could not just forgive your sins unless he had his son murdered... Sounds barbaric

Blossom023:
He sent his son to die for us because he saw people wallowing in sin and also didn't see his existence? ..

Ok lemme ask u atheists and anti-christs , you believe in the law of gravity ryh? What goes up must surely come down... But do u see it? No.. U believe that there is something called wind , u don't see it but u feel it ryh? So must you be intelligent to belief God exist?

He sent his son, it is barbaric because you choose not to belief and you now decide twist and turn the scriptures. Christianity is not just a religion so don't even go there, forget about the people who don't study the bible..

My advice to you all is that before you talk trash about God, read the bible... Even archeologist find proof everyday about Christ's existence... The cure for HIV hasn't been found, but people get cured of HIV nd even cancer in the presence of God everyday... So chil.

reallest:


And they call dat forgiveness

Princecalm:
1. Christ never died for our sins.

2. Christ was murdered.

Tjayjosh:

The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. (Romans 8:7). Jonnydon22. Like i always say to you: you can never comprehend what the scripture says about christ unless you have the spirit of God in you.

sonmvayina:



i personally don't deny there are Gods, my point is that the Christian/Jewish story about him is absurd...very funny, don't you think so? i have never heard of sango making a woman pregnant, magically...if she is barren, she just has to cleanse herself, but she still has to sleep with the husband..as far as i know, pregnancy occurs when the egg is fertilised by the sperm..last time i checked it has not changed..

Tjayjosh:

Without Jesus' death on the cross for our sins, no one would have eternal
life. Jesus Himself said, “ I am the
way and the truth and the life
. No one comes to the Father
except through me” ( John 14:6).
In this statement, Jesus declares
the reason for His birth, death,
and resurrection—to provide the
way to heaven for sinful
mankind, who could never get
there on their own.
When God created Adam and Eve,
they were perfect in every way
and lived in a virtual paradise, the
Garden of Eden ( Genesis 2:15).
God created man in His image,
meaning they also had the
freedom to make decisions and
choices of their own free will.
Genesis 3 goes on to describe
how Adam and Eve succumbed
to Satan’s temptations and lies. In
doing so, they disobeyed the will
of God by eating of the tree of
knowledge from which they
were forbidden: “And the LORD
God commanded the man, ‘You
are free to eat from any tree in
the garden; but you must not eat
from the tree of the knowledge
of good and evil, for when you
eat of it you will surely
die’” (Genesis 2:16-17). This was
the first sin committed by man,
and, as a result, all mankind is
subject to both physical and
eternal death by virtue of our
sinful nature inherited from
Adam.
God declared that all who sin will
die, both physically and
spiritually. This is the fate of all
mankind. But God, in His grace
and mercy, provided a way out of
this dilemma, the shed blood of
His perfect Son on the cross. God
declared that “without the
shedding of blood, there is no
forgiveness” ( Hebrews 9:22), but
through the shedding of blood,
redemption is provided. The Law
of Moses provided a way for the
people to be considered “sinless”
or “right” in God’s eyes—the
offering of animals sacrificed for
every sin they committed. These
sacrifices were only temporary,
though, and were really a
foreshadowing of the perfect,
once-for-all sacrifice of Christ on
the cross ( Hebrews 10:10).
This is why Jesus came and why
He died, to become the ultimate
and final sacrifice, the perfect
(without blemish) sacrifice for
our sins ( Colossians 1:22; 1 Peter
1:19). Through Him, the promise
of life eternal with God becomes
effective through faith to those
who believe in Jesus. “So that
what was promised, being given
through faith in Jesus Christ,
might be given to those who
believe” (Galatians 3:22). These
two words, faith and believing,
are critical to our salvation. It is
through our believing in the
shed blood of Christ for our sins
that we receive eternal life. “For it
is by grace you have been saved,
through faith—and this not from
yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can
boast” ( Ephesians 2:8–9).

johnydon22:
It was a simple question. . . God wanted to forgive your sin why not just go ahead and forgive it instead of killing his son or demanding blood.... Still thats barbaric because even ordinary humans do not demand or exhibit such blood lust

Tjayjosh:

Seems so barbaric. Is it really
necessary? Why doesn’t God
simply forgive us?” Because God
is holy, He must judge sin. Would
a just and righteous judge let evil
go unpunished? At the cross,
God poured out His judgment on
His Son, satisfying His wrath and
making it possible for Him to
forgive us. That’s why Jesus shed
His blood for your sins, my sins,
and the sins of the whole world.

Princecalm:
so what happens to the commandment Thou shall not kill if Jesus killing was right?

Tjayjosh:

God didn’t sacrifice
Jesus. Rather, Jesus, as God
incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No
one forced Him. He laid down His
life willingly, as He made clear
speaking about His life: “No one
takes it from me, but I lay it
down of my own accord. I have
authority to lay it down and
authority to take it up
again” ( John 10:18). God the Son
sacrificed Himself to God the
Father and thereby fulfilled all the
requirements of the Law. Unlike
the temporary sacrifices, Jesus’
once-for-all-time sacrifice was
followed by His resurrection. He
laid down His life and took it up
again, thereby providing eternal
life for all who would ever believe
in Him and accept His sacrifice
for their sins. He did this out of
love for the Father and for all
those the Father has given Him
( John 6:37–40). I explained this on the post above.

Tjayjosh:

Seems so barbaric. Is it really
necessary? Why doesn’t God
simply forgive us?” Because God
is holy, He must judge sin. Would
a just and righteous judge let evil
go unpunished? At the cross,
God poured out His judgment on
His Son, satisfying His wrath and
making it possible for Him to
forgive us. That’s why Jesus shed
His blood for your sins, my sins,
and the sins of the whole world.

dalaman:


But many sinners will still die and go to hell even after your claim that your God pour out his anger and judgement on his son. If Jesus was sacrificed died for the sins of the world, why then will sinners and unbelievers still wind up in hell?

K9blunt:
Can't stop laughing at this post justifying the errors of a mythical entity by the gullible people.
Ride on op!