omenka:
Like I said in the OP, there are some genuinely ignorant fellas, old and young, that visit this board for info and enlightenment. They tend to ingest and digest just about anything they read without recourse to verification- some because they are too lazy, others because they don't have the financial strength (data) to dig any further. What then happens to such category of people

It helps to put things here in an accurate perspective if you ask me.

Firefire:
The hate sermons from brainless APC e-supporters will not last more than 4 - 8 Years.

Nigerians can not be fooled forever.

hinwazaka:
The individual who you referred to in your writeup was actually more accurate than you. An investigation is done to uncover something not known, and not completely suspected. A probe on the other hand is an INVESTIGATION done with a suspicion of something having gone foul, backed by substantial evidence. An investigation is done out of protocol, while a probe is done out of necessity to reach a conclusion
The APC government has no evidence aside hearsay and unwarranted suspicion. What would suffice here is an investigation, not a probe. By issuing out the statement that a probe is been conducted on the past administration is to pass across to people that the government has substantial evidence of financial misappropriation indulged in by elements of the past administration
Though, it's government's responsibility to bring to book those who have flouted the law. It's not the only function of government. According to the understanding of public administration, government has three primary functions
* Defence
* Provision of public amenities
* Law
The government can not push it's other functions to the background, focusing on only one. One very important fact is that we are in perilious economic times. China just devalued their currency forcing pressure on developing nations like ours. This will start a currency war which coupled with hike in US interest rates will seriously affect our exporting market. Now is not the time for a wild goose chase which will gulp so much money, but produce little or nothing


PS: please refrain from putting as examples, the fictious story of a supposed foreigner rushing to a site because of PMB. Its bogus and unfounded. Let's be practical here

hinwazaka:
The individual who you referred to in your writeup was actually more accurate than you. An investigation is done to uncover something not known, and not completely suspected. A probe on the other hand is an INVESTIGATION done with a suspicion of something having gone foul, backed by substantial evidence. An investigation is done out of protocol, while a probe is done out of necessity to reach a conclusion
The APC government has no evidence aside hearsay and unwarranted suspicion. What would suffice here is an investigation, not a probe. By issuing out the statement that a probe is been conducted on the past administration is to pass across to people that the government has substantial evidence of financial misappropriation indulged in by elements of the past administration
Though, it's government's responsibility to bring to book those who have flouted the law. It's not the only function of government. According to the understanding of public administration, government has three primary functions
* Defence
* Provision of public amenities
* Law
The government can not push it's other functions to the background, focusing on only one. One very important fact is that we are in perilious economic times. China just devalued their currency forcing pressure on developing nations like ours. This will start a currency war which coupled with hike in US interest rates will seriously affect our exporting market. Now is not the time for a wild goose chase which will gulp so much money, but produce little or nothing


PS: please refrain from putting as examples, the fictious story of a supposed foreigner rushing to a site because of PMB. Its bogus and unfounded. Let's be practical here

agarawu23:
you guys fooled Nigerians for 16 years

Mynd44:
You know you could have just ignored and not bother to write this right?

I mean all that story just to prove that "Probing and investigating are the same"?

I understand that you people are trying hard to convince one other people that your side of the divide is the best but seriously is it working? Everyone out there who hates President Buhari still hates him whether he does well or not does not matter so why bother trying to change them?

You guys have a lot of energy stored up spent on writing articles and rejoiners but seriously, there are some things that ain't worth the time. If Barcanista feels the need to say that Prove and investigate are not the same, you should not bother educating him and the people who worship(?) him after all, President Jonathan said "Stealing is not corruption" and they not only accepted but defended him.

Clap Clap for you. best post i have read in a long time

You should know when to look, hiss and walk away while smiling at the ignorance of others and not join in the fúck fess.

BIGERBOY1:
I swear immediately I saw were barcanista mentioned 'investigate before probe'. I was like . This guy is trying too hard to say nothing.
What sort of semantic gymnastics was that ?

Firefire:


I am waiting for that thug to post the pictures of Sultan of Sokoto mansion.

agarawu23:
you guys fooled Nigerians for 16 years

Firefire:


I implore the accusers of the brethren to watch what Revd. Kukah said.

Will you stop running the government, all because you want to probe and investigate the past administration ?

Nigeria has no leadership direction yet and all we are hearing is probe, probe, probe...

Bishop Okogie echo same message of Father Kukah, to ask that governance and providing basics amenities and fulfilling electoral promises should not be suspended on the alter of probing and investigating.

IbokUtoroh:

you guys r still fooling lagosians for anoda 20yrs.

agarawu23:
lol are you blind to see the changes In Lagos state ?

IbokUtoroh:

sure, who cant see 78million naira used to upgrade fashola.com.......
Adon see am oooooo

OrlandoOwoh:

May your boss embezzle your entitlement and nothing be done about punishing him.

omenka:
Just as Mynd44 said, we don't expect any less from people who supported a president that tried to differentiate stealing from corruption.

And as to the bolded, you only succeeded in exposing your crass ignorance. Who told you the contractor is a foreigner?? Even one of your staunchest PDP supporters claims to have a personal relationship with the contractor who is popularly called "Chief" and boasted the man didn't return to site for fear of Buhari but because some circumstances delayed the project. He said Chief fears no man and that Buhari would rather be scared of Chief.

Shame on you.

agarawu23:
only fooools will blv 78m was spent on a website

Mynd44:
You know you could have just ignored and not bother to write this right?

I mean all that story just to prove that "Probing and investigating are the same"?

I understand that you people are trying hard to convince one other people that your side of the divide is the best but seriously is it working? Everyone out there who hates President Buhari still hates him whether he does well or not does not matter so why bother trying to change them?

You guys have a lot of energy stored up spent on writing articles and rejoiners but seriously, there are some things that ain't worth the time. If Barcanista feels the need to say that Prove and investigate are not the same, you should not bother educating him and the people who worship(?) him after all, President Jonathan said "Stealing is not corruption" and they not only accepted but defended him.

You should know when to look, hiss and walk away while smiling at the ignorance of others and not join in the fúck fess.

omenka:
Good afternoon.

Much as I don't fancy responding to bare-faced lies and overt distortion of facts, it has become absolutely necessary to every once in a while set records straight for posterity because it is said that evil thrives only when good men remain silent.

First off, Reverend Kukah said what he said in plain english and didn't need no one to translate or interpret his message, least of all, the op of the thread being referenced here. It is such a pity some people are totally given to spreading unadulterated falsehood regardless of its effect, just as long as like minds like themselves endorse such inordinate pursuits.

First, the op went:

And then went on to say: These has gotta be the worst attempt at twisting established principles and lexicon I'd ever seen my entire life- all borne out of an undue penchant for opposing anything and everything not of one's political leanings.

First, the first quote, at no point did the government say or give the impression it wasn't approaching the probes with "an open mind" and the op wants his readers to believe. It is a cheap blackmail using innuendo in reference to the government's policy of bringing treasury looters to book. Unfortunately, there are lots of gullible and genuinely ignorant readers out there who would likely be sold to the op's antics.

That being said, the poster dove even further into the abyss by making the statement in "quote 2". I couldn't just believe what I was reading! What in God's gracious name is meant by "investigating before probing??

Dear readers, here are the definitions of both words (investigate & probe) as stated by the English dictionary as they relate to the subject matter:


The three words investigate, probe, and inquiry are all synonymous and can be used interchangeably in this regard.
Now, note the bolded and the "asterisked" in these definitions and tell me what the difference is. I'm am pretty much sure the op of that thread knows this but deliberately made those remarks and endorsed Kukah's due to his fancy for the absurd.

That said, it is really unfortunate he tried to justify Kukah's statement as captured in the first quote in his original post, stating that probes have no place in a democracy such as ours. For the benefit of the ignorant, our Bicameral system of democracy is modeled after America's and I can't think of a democracy within which more "probes" have been conducted than America's: so I really have no idea where Kukah and the op are coming from.

Next, the op stated: First, the government isn't working on "mere speculation".

The op and the rest of us know less than one billionth of what are contained in the handover notes of the immediate past government, and there is no gainsaying they form the bulk of the reasons behind the ongoing probes. Even the ex-president himself admitted he was oblivious of the extent of sleaze that existed under his watch. Contracts running into billions were awarded, some contractors were paid, in some cases fully, yet projects weren't executed.

Just recently, news surfaced about a contractor in who rushed back to site out of fear of being captured in Buhari's anticorruption dragnet- dailyindependentnig.com/2015/08/buhari-phobia-n2-5b-adada-dam-contractor-rushes-back-site/- and it is our believe a lot other such cases that evaded the eyes of the press exist.

The op was being rather tactless saying (agreeing) the probes are a distraction. First, Nigerians from all walks of life who long for a better country are on the same page with the government on this, especially judging from their reactions to Kukah's statements. That aside, the government's purse is thinning due to the crash in the price of crude and she needs all the monies illegally acquired she can mop up from the past officials to finance developmental projects, as she seeks ways to reduce recurrent expenditure.

Furthermore, isn't it mischievous of the op to say the probes are a distraction when the same person holds the opinion that they should be extended to cover regimes that precede Jonathan's? When that is done, does it mean it is no longer a "distraction"

On the "number 1" thingy, that has already been dealt with- there is no difference between a probe and an investigation.

Lastly, to crown his mischief, the op went: This is just absolutely laughable! Here's the op saying Buhari should "investigate" them first, then "thoroughly investigate" them!! I really am at a loss of word to qualify this.



Whatever it is, we know the antecedents of the poster and don't expect less from him- today he adorn's kukah with a robe of sainthood, we all know what he would say of the reverend should he make remarks critical of Jonathan's admin tomorrow, but it is incumbent on those with enlightened and discerning minds to speak up when logic and reason appear to be turned on their heads with its devastating consequences. The least we can do is what we do here when we find the time to- defuse and disarm PDP propaganda.


Thank you.

Cc: Seun, Lalasticlala.

omenka:
Lalasticlala, we are still waiting.

lurther:
I have observed something about APC!!!

Once you tell them the truth, they attack you using the media. This is very bad for Nigeria politics, because, it is a very crude way of oppressing the opposition.

Let a top and honourable man in Nigeria today tell Buhari to declare his assets as he promised, watch how APC starts to publish pictures of the man having phantom cars somewhere or phantom houses somewhere.

I wonder if Tinubu who is corruption-personified is immuned from all this corruption crusade.

atbu1983:
Op kudos to you. Truth must be said. When i saw Barcanista differentiating probe from investigation just because rev kukah erroneously made d mistake i felt like vomiting.

hinwazaka:
The individual who you referred to in your writeup was actually more accurate than you. An investigation is done to uncover something not known, and not completely suspected. A probe on the other hand is an INVESTIGATION done with a suspicion of something having gone foul, backed by substantial evidence. An investigation is done out of protocol, while a probe is done out of necessity to reach a conclusion
The APC government has no evidence aside hearsay and unwarranted suspicion. What would suffice here is an investigation, not a probe. By issuing out the statement that a probe is been conducted on the past administration is to pass across to people that the government has substantial evidence of financial misappropriation indulged in by elements of the past administration
Though, it's government's responsibility to bring to book those who have flouted the law. It's not the only function of government. According to the understanding of public administration, government has three primary functions
* Defence
* Provision of public amenities
* Law
The government can not push it's other functions to the background, focusing on only one. One very important fact is that we are in perilious economic times. China just devalued their currency forcing pressure on developing nations like ours. This will start a currency war which coupled with hike in US interest rates will seriously affect our exporting market. Now is not the time for a wild goose chase which will gulp so much money, but produce little or nothing


PS: please refrain from putting as examples, the fictious story of a supposed foreigner rushing to a site because of PMB. Its bogus and unfounded. Let's be practical here

PassingShot:

You've failed to address the topic.

OrlandoOwoh:

May your boss embezzle your entitlement and nothing be done about punishing him.