An2elect2:


This is what i believe.

1 Timothy 3:16 " And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached
unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world,
received up into glory."

I don't see the Father the way trinity defines Him. But i know God is the Father, who has revealed Himself in bodily form in these last days.

Jozzy4:


Lot of Gods .

Angels Are Gods

Humans Are Gods .

Why dont you add them to your dogma, thats billionity or millionity ? Instead of just 3 Tri Gods .

victorels:


You need to be confused the more.

Do you Know that all the children of God on earth were given birth to by the Holy Spirit?

Jozzy4:


I can see Yu are out of your mind .

victorels:

That is the confusion I am talking about. Enjoy it.

Jozzy4:


At least you confess Two Gods praying to each other .

Victorels : " Yes, Jesus God pray to the Father, God"

God pray to God ! Nice confession

victorels:


Great. That is Jesus you talked about, the Everlasting Father. The King of kings, Lord of lords, Prince of Peace. His names is too numerous.

Rilwayne001:

Worst

lexiconkabir:
@bolded since God is the father that revealed himself in bodily form, why then did he pray to another father?

malvisguy212:
Daniel 7:13-14
"I kept looking in the night visions, And
behold, with the clouds of heaven One
like a SON OF MAN was coming, And He
came up to the Ancient of Days And was
presented before Him. "And to Him was
given dominion, Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might SERVE HIM. His
dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away; And His
kingdom is one Which will not be
destroyed.

Obviously, if the Son of Man were only
human, He would not be able to
establish an eternal kingdom. Likewise,
He would not be able to convince all
peoples to serve Him. Such abilities and
honors are reserved for God alone.
Jesus claimed to be the Son of Go

Off point!

Jozzy4:
John 1:1 , God was WITH God .

Seriously , That sounds like two Gods emphasis on " WITH" ; Can anyone clarify this ?

Jozzy4:


Its not a lie , unless you want to tell me the Word is not God .

The Word is God , and (The Word ) God was WITH God .

" The Word ^God was WITH God" . God was with another God
( this second God is not the word, is he ?) Two Different Gods .






' we Write you things you can understand' 1cor 1:13 .

So what exactly is there that you dont understand ?

victorels:


I never said that that two Gods prayed to each other.
I told you that Jesus, God, prayed to the Father God. I never said the Father Prayed to Jesus.

Again, I said by the words of Jesus, I and the Father are one". It means if Jesus is God and the Father is God, and both of them are one, then they are one God.

Jozzy4:


Jesus God is not the Father God , shey ?

Jesus God , prayed to the Father God , its clear we see Jesus God PRAYING TO the other God .

I dont even need to talk too much . Its clear





A LIE and infact a very bad logic which contradicts the scripture @ underlined

Victorels : "one God , Father and Son"


Scripture : " One God , The FATHER" 1Cor 8:6


Who is lying between the two of you ?

victorels:


You are forgetting the Third, the Holy Spirit, God.

Jozzy4:


You mean Paul forget ?

1COR 8:6 : for us , there is one God , the Father "

Victorels : for us , there is one God , the father and son and holyspirit "

Who is lying between the two of you ?

victorels:


Liviticus 25:17
Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God.

2 Samuel 22:32
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?

MArk 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandmentsis, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Did you see anything in those Verses. The Lord is God.

Jozzy4:


Your case is pathetic , the LORD in those bible verses is the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob .

Or are you telling me Jesus Is The God Of Abraham , Isaac And Jacob ?

victorels:


Liviticus 25:17
Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God.

2 Samuel 22:32
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?

MArk 12:29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandmentsis, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Did you see anything in those Verses. The Lord is God.

lexiconkabir:
with what i bolded, i see no reason why xtians should refer to jesus as God, when he clearly said "our lord" meaning he is included. this is a clear cut statement from the lips of jesus himself. pls read the bible the way it is not how you were deluded(no offences) to read it.

victorels:


1Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;

and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Are you saying their is two Lords. One the Lord that you accept as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and another Lord, Jesus Christ by whom all things were created.

And you have accepted the Lord is God and still want to oppose the spirit convincing you for repentance.

The word of God is truth.

lexiconkabir:
with what i bolded, i see no reason why xtians should refer to jesus as God, when he clearly said "our lord" meaning he is included. this is a clear cut statement from the lips of jesus himself. pls read the bible the way it is not how you were deluded(no offences) to read it.

victorels:

Thanks. We know what we know. It is not for everybody to know.

Jozzy4:

Wow , I thought i was the only one that noticed .

lexiconkabir:
see, dont be afraid to question your faith! try and reason my statement in my previous post. jesus neva called himself God, was it because he did miracles? he always made it known that all the miracles he did was by the leave of God, why thence do you xtians take him as almighty God?

Jozzy4:


Wow , I thought i was the only one that noticed .

lexiconkabir:
see, dont be afraid to question your faith! try and reason my statement in my previous post. jesus neva called himself God, was it because he did miracles? he always made it known that all the miracles he did was by the leave of God, why thence do you xtians take him as almighty God?

victorels:


Try and read through my post in this thread and you would see were I said you can't question what you know. You would also discover the place I give the difference between the Father and "The Word" who is Jesus. I understand what I have said.

You advised me to read the Bible the way it is but you only want me to quote where Jesus said "I am Jesus and I am God"
This is the Scripture. "1Corinthians8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." This confirm that..............

Reading the scriptures for understanding would do you good rather than to proof your right. If I must advice, do the same with Quo'ran and you would discover things non of your teachers have told you.

victorels:


Thank You for Noticing. For your Information, Jesus our Lord was reminding the people what was written in the Law when one asked Him which is the greatest Commandment. He reminded them of the Commandment in "Deuteronomy 6:4-6
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord :
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:"

Is it an offence for me to remind you of what I have told you earlier.

victorels:


Thank You for Noticing. For your Information, Jesus our Lord was reminding the people what was written in the Law when one asked Him which is the greatest Commandment. He reminded them of the Commandment in "Deuteronomy 6:4-6
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord :
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:"

Is it an offence for me to remind you of what I have told you earlier.