KingEbukasBlog:


Because some people abuse religious practices does not mean God does not exist .

Actually it has . It can't get any better than this (lai lai )
1. God
2. An always existing universe
3. A Theory That Denies The First Cause . Eg : The Big Fraud Theory

Its your choice ... just pick one .

These "primitive men" actually had first-hand experience of this . I think the "primitive men" are actually as smart as the modern man . But it took years before that potential was FULLY harnessed or level of intelligence attained . If you go down history - pyramids of Egypt , architectural designs of buildings in Greece , Rome , Israel - you would learn that these "primitive men " surpassed the expectations of the modern man .

It would make real sense if you think about it this way . Not modern man making stupid assumptions and trying to tell stories of how these "primitive men" lived their lives . Platteon says the bible story isn't the true history of the Israelites but could he present the true story ? I'm waiting to be wowed .

It is logical to see that their experiences were passed down to descendants through different forms - writings , orals , drawings , carvings - and not the descendants trying to predict a whole culture/lifestyle of their ancestors because they picked up bones and all worth not .

Like I said earlier it does not get any better than these (plus reasons this time )

1. An always existing being - God - Creation of Intelligent , moral agents to whom He would reveal Himself to
2. A Theory that Denies the First Cause - E.g Big Fraud Theory : evidently some kind of mistake that just happened for no plausible reason .
3. Always existing universe - (No Beginning , No End ) : No purpose at all . "Dinner has been and will always be on the table , come eat and leave ."

dalaman:


You kee[ saying that God exist with out providing a single evidence to back up the claim.





It can be non of the above. For example It can be many Gods, a creator God that created and died. It can be anything, we just do not know.





Are you telling me what who ever wrote the genesis creation myth was there to witness it?





Why not an always existing Gods? What evidence do you have to show that the universe was not created by many Gods who are not moral agents and will never reveal themselves to anybody? If i say the universe was created by a force or many forces that created and left( the way the deist) believe. What evidence do you have to show that it is not true. Why do you keep projecting your own idea of God on the universe? Even if we are to go by a single creator, why is it not Allah? You are not serious person.

What is the purpose of the universe and in what part of the universe is this purpose written?

dalaman:


You keep saying that God exist with out providing a single evidence to back up the claim.

Are you telling me what who ever wrote the genesis creation myth was there to witness it?

What is the purpose of the universe and in what part of the universe is this purpose written?

Ishilove:
On a more serious note, clowning aside

Johnydon22, what you are doing is trying to box God into the rational confines of the four walls of human reasoning. An exercise in futility, I must add.

You say the things you say because you do not know what you are talking about. You think you do, but you don't.

What you need is a 'Paul encounter' to open your eyes. Paul had to be blinded before he could see, and I hope God shows you mercy by 'blinding' you so that you too can see the light.

But the natural (carnal) man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned -1st Cor 2:14. KJV.

McSterling:
Bull.s.hit

urheme:




You just came to complicate this thread with more gods

Does orunmila forgives

KingEbukasBlog:


Creation ... life ... universe ... miracles ... revelations ?

Moses though not directly but from the "creation myth" you can trace his lineage .

Moses , Joshua , Luke , Matthew , John , Paul had experiences which they wrote down but because it has something to with mystical events they are seen as myths .

Trust me , the bible without God and every one even you and your crew would have embraced it without thinking twice .

You are to deduce from the bible the purpose of the universe .

johnydon22:
[b]Warned? Oh one can only imagine what you people do to your own God concepts; You ridicule it, insult and belittle it and yet somehow still think in your minds you are are in a good path.

What sort of a universal God will have a literal burning place to punish Belief what exactly is an entity allegedly that powerful doing with your belief or worship?

Perfection needs nothing from anybody, so if you claim your God concept is perfect then it needs nothing from anybody; Not worship, reverence and acknowledgement and if this be so it clearly means your piety is useless.

But here we have it, you are showing us a God who needs worship, who needs sacrifice, acknowledgement on daily basis. . A God with chronic narcissism that needs worship so bad that it threatens people with fire should they fail to give it...Doesn't this show a childish, egoistic and abusive concept?

If you are God would you punish people based on what they believe and would your punishment be an eternal flame . . . .If "NO" then you obviously have a saner and sounder moral basis than the God you profess[/b]

sonmvayina:



i once told a friend too this comment you just made and he said it is not about God, it was for him to get blessing from god..he know it does not add anything to god, but for him to edify himself..

johnydon22:
you will get burnt forever in a fire by an ALL GOOD PERFECT GOD who burns people because they don't worship it

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

dalaman:


Non of these are evidence for any God, they are evidence for environment or evidence for the things you listed themselves. God is just your default position for I don't know.

Non of the people you mentioned where there at the beginning of the universe[b] so why accept the stories that were written about them[/b

Why the bible and not the Koran or Hindu scriptures? The bible is not the oly religious book humans have invented and written and it is not better than other religious books at all.

KingEbukasBlog:


More nonsense that deserves being overlooked . But anyways , the way people who commit crimes are judged/convicted and thrown in prison -the same way men will be judged by an all righteous incorruptible judge - God - according to their deeds , if found guilty will be thrown into Hell .

Romans 2:6-11

KingEbukasBlog:


Which is not an evidence of Jehovah ?

1. That He has always existed
2. That He works through miracles and instant healings which I alongside millions of people have experienced
3. That He is an almighty creator - we live in and are His creations etc ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Which is not an evidence of Jehovah ?

1. That He has always existed

2. That He works through miracles and instant healings which I alongside millions of people have experienced

3. That He is an almighty creator - we live in and are His creations etc

You need to start speaking for yourself and stop generalizing your insignificant ideas/concepts

How do you know ? Have you read all three books ?

johnydon22:
Oh Good.... Justice means a punishment and fits a crime... so tell me

So a life time of bad deeds (perhaps a 100years) deserve an eternal roasting in fire...Is that justice according to you?

What is a perfect God doing with your worship, that it exhibits such childish insecurity to threaten people with a fire for belief..

If you were a God, would you have a punishment scheme that involves burning people in a literal fire forever . ? (Yes/No)

For a small fact that a human like you deems it ok for another to be roasted in a literal fire forever, shows what sick minds your religions have imbedded in you ridding you all of simple human compassion..

Such idiotic barbarism is for sick minds of which sadly enough you have just shown to possess

dalaman:


They are all evidence of Brahma the Hindu God. Jehovah should provide evidence for himself not based on other things.



Brahma has always existed



Hundreds of millions of Hindus experience the healing powers of Brahma.



Brahma is the almighty creator and is the only true God. God read the Hindu scripture it is written in there.

Yes, I have.

So why are you an atheist if you believe Brahma is the almighty creator and is the only true God and Hundreds of millions of Hindus experience the healing powers of Brahma?

When you begin to provide objective evidence without making spurious claims then I will accept and take your statements and opinions seriously

KingEbukasBlog:


Its your opinion you know . God hates unrighteousness and his punishment is Hell. Same way murderers are being sentenced to hanging , life imprisonment with hard labour etc . Remember , the bible said everyone will be judged according to his deed . Its not necessarily being thrown into Hell

There have been different views and opinions about Hell . Some say you relive your worst nightmares or worst life experiences over and over and over again , forever . Whichever way , man will be judged on the last day . Whatever punishment deemed fit will be given to that person by a righteous impartial God .

You and i have quite different view of partiality because judgment based on belief or religious tilt as shown by the sick theology of religions like Christianity and Islam is anything but impartial.

A punishment that spans eternity depicts a grudge bearing entity and thus betrays chronic insecurity and injustice at it's worse

Aaaaah the Judgement, Hope you know the very first of the judgement concept is the Egyptian concept of The tribunal of Osiris of which the God Osiris is the one judging all humans.. Lets see how well that will work since you obviously disbelieves Osiris.

Religion since time has never ceased to relay idiotic notions of Apocalypse and judgement which in turn has never ceased to fail.. Look down historical timeline to learn them

johnydon22:
. [b][i]Two contradictory statements in one breathe, One stipulates a "hell" sentence the latter tries shifting from it..lmao, the result of arguing over someone's assumptions.

Belief is not synonymous to morality, That Allah will burn you in hell for being a christian and not muslim shows allah is an egoistic sadist.
That christia yahweh already stipulates condemnation for people who lack belief in Jesus shows an insecure monger for belief smeared in abject sadism.

Even the evilest human on earth (in terms of morals, christian crusaders who murdered millions, muslim jihadists or political dictators) do not in any way deserve to be burnt literally forever. . But such barbaric concepts as evil as it sound is always ok for sick minds. . beats me how myths control the minds of people eroding compassion. . . Only simpletons or those who lack sound independent moral basis require such sadistic concepts to instill morality

In every other religion you are heading to HELL

You and i have quite different view of partiality because judgment based on belief or religious tilt as shown by the sick theology of religions like Christianity and Islam is anything but impartial. A punishment that spans eternity depicts a grudge bearing entity and thus betrays chronic insecurity and injustice at it's worse

Aaaaah the Judgement, Hope you know the very first of the judgement concept is the Egyptian concept of The tribunal of Osiris of which the God Osiris is the one judging all humans.. Lets see how well that will work since you obviously disbelieves Osiris.

Religion since time has never ceased to relay idiotic notions of Apocalypse and judgement which in turn has never ceased to fail.. Look down historical timeline to learn them

Ishilove:

You see the problem is that 'religion' as we know it is inherently flawed. Religion is a creation of man, and hence it is being abused by human beings who use it to perpetuate their insidious purposes. Humans are now more religious, rather than spiritual.

urheme:



So which one is a way to God
Religions or spirituality and how do you define spirituality in relation to a God

malvisguy212:
Most religions say Jesus was a great teacher or prophet. So focus on that great teacher. Until you do, God will remain a blur. Consider a worst-case scenario. Suppose another religion were right and instead of following that religion, I became a Christian. Many
religions would say the Christian life is reasonably moral.So, according to them,
although I would miss top spot, my life after death would be fairly comfortable. A few claim that if I ignored their religion, after death I'll cease to exist. I
can handle that. Some say I'd get another chance through reincarnation. That's not too bad. But, relative to almost all religions, Jesus increased the
stakes enormously. If he is right and I ignore him, the consequences are unthinkable. In addition, unlike most other religions,Jesus leaves his believers certain that they will enter heaven. Other religions typically place so many
requirements on their adherents before they could be considered worthy of heaven that their followers endure a
lifetime of uncertainty as to whether they have met those requirements.

To determine if Jesus' teaching is from God requires divine insight. Whether God grants a person this spiritual
understanding hinges on a single factor. That critical factor,said Jesus, is your willingness to obey God (John 7:17). Why
should God brother to open your eyes to spiritual truth if you are unwilling to respond to that truth? Yet, few of us are
prepared to pay that price. It involves a willingness to relinquish our hopes and
dreams for the future, to forego our pet sins and anything else God may ask.

Such abandonment seems crazy until we consider who God is. The God who made and sustains the entire universe is the source of all knowledge, moral goodness and love. That means he is good, he is trustworthy, he has our best
interest at heart,he is wiser than us and he loves us more than we love ourselves. Obeying God is the smartest
thing anyone could ever do. Until we acknowledge this and are willing to obey God, we obviously don't want God in our lives. We might want him as our
slave, or as a curiosity, but not as God.If so, why should God waste time giving us the spiritual discernment to know whether Jesus is the only way to God? Until we rectify this, we can expect God to let us remain spiritually confused, subject to the deceptive powers of anti-
God influences, unable to determine which religion is right.

urheme:



Just tell us what religion is right and correct since you have the spirit of discernment.

malvisguy212:
follow Jesus.

urheme:


The character called jesus is not a religion, and he did no die to give you religion, his philosophy i respect, his teachings i know, i also know that Jesus is irreligious.
Jesus was a freedom fighter, a revolutionarist, he came to free you from the bondage of religion created by men.

Am sure you have sold all your belongings and giving to the poor "follow jesus" that is what it means.

plaetton:


And a computer SCIENCE STUDENT who mocks SCIENCE is what?

Lol.
Made Only in Nigeria.

No wonder they are saying that majority of Nigerian graduates are simply unemployable.

plaetton:


In my opinion, evangelical christianity is the greatest mental scurge in Africa, because, it's mentally debilitating effects can take 1 thousand years to undo.

KingEbukasBlog:


According to Wikipedia : 2.3 million people have been displaced by the conflict since May 2013. 250,000 have left Nigeria and fled into Cameroon, Chad or Niger. Boko Haram has killed more than 17,000 people since 2009, including over 10,000 in 2014.

Including raping underage girls and even pregnant women and other horrendous crimes against humanity

But He has so much hate for the "Christian God" . He hates people who are armed with an in depth knowledge of the word of God and the bible , spreading the gospel of peace and love and persuading people to adhere to sound doctrine and the teachings of Jesus Christ

Oh Plaetton , why do you so much despise this man of peace

cc: winner01

winner01:
Plaetton is confused, he clearly hates Jesus, His Lord.
Nice one bro.

Ishilove:

You see the problem is that 'religion' as we know it is inherently flawed. Religion is a creation of man, and hence it is being abused by human beings who use it to perpetuate their insidious purposes. Humans are now more religious, rather than spiritual.

malvisguy212:
if you find it hard to forgive your enemy, why not look for a gun and kill him, no God will hold you accountable for your sin .

The morality of Jesus was so far ahead of its time that 2,000 years after Jesus brought it to this planet, modern society is still no closer to attaining it. 'Go the extra mile . . . bless those who curse you. . . Turned the other cheek . . . It is more blessed to give than to receive . . .' Present day morality, with its crude focus upon observable behavior rather than HEART attitude, is hopelessly primitive and out of touch with reality.

PastorAIO:


I thought the example was about seeking forgiveness after you wronged somebody not wreaking vengeance because somebody wronged you. The subject in the example was in need of forgiveness not in the position of forgiving, or finding it hard to forgive. How should someone go about seeking forgiveness? By seeking restitution with the person you wronged? Or by going into his room to ask for God's forgiveness while the person he wronged remains wounded by his actions?

Sorry if I sound pedantic, but this distortion in the reasoning was niggling at me.