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Did Mohammed Write The Quran? by plainbibletruth: 11:13pm On Sep 01, 2015
Did Mohammed Write The Quran?

Many Muslims believe that Quran they hold today is a replica of the original copy of the Quran which exists in heaven and was given to Mohammed from Allah. They also believe it is the one that has been in circulation since the time of the prophet. So while they think Christianity’s ‘original’ Bible is long lost they think the Quran is not.

Was it Mohammed who PERSONALLY wrote what was ‘revealed’ to him? How did he compile the Quran or better still how was the Quran put together?

The reality is as follows:
1. The Quran was originally verbal recitation.
2. These recitals were then written down by different people in various materials as much as they could recall from memory.
3. Decades after the death of Mohammed, Zaid ibn Thabith was saddled with the task of collecting and confirming which writings were genuine and then binding them into a single volume to become one book.
4. Even after this compilation some devotees of Mohammed remembered some areas that were part of the recitals but the Islamic leaders did not want to add anything else so as to project the “sacredness” of the book.
5. Mohammed therefore did not directly write anything. No historical record shows him as penning down the Quran. Muslims generally agree that Mohammed was not learned.
6. So can we be sure that those who wrote from memory wrote the right things? Did they write down exactly what they heard?

Various texts emerged from the many writers leading to different sects. As they thought this situation could weaken the religion, powerful leaders of Islam decided to have only one rendition. When the leaders came out with the one version, they looked for, collected and destroyed as many variants as they could find. They then pronounced their assembled version the authentic Quran. Muslim scholars state the earliest copy of the Quran was written no earlier than 150 years after Mohammed died.

Even after this “authorized’ version came out many objections came up, including from Mohammed’s widow, to the effect that portions of known recitations by Mohammed when he was alive were missing from this new compilation. Today there are still conflicting manuscripts of the Quran with textual variations: The text of the Quran in 37:103 reads "they had both submitted their wills (became Muslims)" while the Arabic text of the Tashkent MSS gives the exact opposite meaning, "they did not submitted their wills" (they did NOT become Muslims.) Can we be sure then that there aren’t several other missing portions that were not eventually included in this ‘Authorized’ version?

Mohammed was even initially uncertain about the ‘visions’ that became part of the ‘revelations’ documented in the Quran. He did not know what to make of them; whether divine or demonic. He admitted this to his wife. It was his wife, Kadija that encouraged him to believe they were from God. The implications of these can be very far reaching.


It was ONLY Mohammed that was credited with DIRECTLY receiving the ‘revelations’ from Allah and not any of these men who eventually wrote down from their MEMORY Mohammed’s recitation! So can we credit what these men wrote as “divinely” inspired?

The claim of the Quran being the direct words of Allah is also questionable as we find portion quoting angels talking. In Sura 19: 64 we read: "And we [angels] descend not except by the order of your Lord. To Him belongs that before us and that behind us and what is in between. And never is your Lord forgetful –
The ‘we’ must refer to a number of angels talking here. So we find more of the words of angels and men in the Quran than those credited to Allah.


All these shortcomings came about because in the course of compilation, the Quran suffered the defect of becoming a second-hand or third-hand information with the attendant result of such compilation – inaccuracies, misquotes and outright errors. So much for the claim of “divine origin” of the Quran.

That is the history of the Quran.

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Re: Did Mohammed Write The Quran? by menix(m): 11:17pm On Sep 01, 2015
Like seriously, e don even tey wey dem write that book.

Seriously I thought d book was written by Mohammed Shekau d holy nigeria Islam messenger..

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Re: Did Mohammed Write The Quran? by Demmzy15(m): 11:24pm On Sep 01, 2015
plainbibletruth:
[s]Did Mohammed Write The Quran?

Many Muslims believe that Quran they hold today is a replica of the original copy of the Quran which exists in heaven and was given to Mohammed from Allah. They also believe it is the one that has been in circulation since the time of the prophet. So while they think Christianity’s ‘original’ Bible is long lost they think the Quran is not.

Was it Mohammed who PERSONALLY wrote what was ‘revealed’ to him? How did he compile the Quran or better still how was the Quran put together?

The reality is as follows:
1. The Quran was originally verbal recitation.
2. These recitals were then written down by different people in various materials as much as they could recall from memory.
3. Decades after the death of Mohammed, Zaid ibn Thabith was saddled with the task of collecting and confirming which writings were genuine and then binding them into a single volume to become one book.
4. Even after this compilation some devotees of Mohammed remembered some areas that were part of the recitals but the Islamic leaders did not want to add anything else so as to project the “sacredness” of the book.
5. Mohammed therefore did not directly write anything. No historical record shows him as penning down the Quran. Muslims generally agree that Mohammed was not learned.
6. So can we be sure that those who wrote from memory wrote the right things? Did they write down exactly what they heard?

Various texts emerged from the many writers leading to different sects. As they thought this situation could weaken the religion, powerful leaders of Islam decided to have only one rendition. When the leaders came out with the one version, they looked for, collected and destroyed as many variants as they could find. They then pronounced their assembled version the authentic Quran. Muslim scholars state the earliest copy of the Quran was written no earlier than 150 years after Mohammed died.

Even after this “authorized’ version came out many objections came up, including from Mohammed’s widow, to the effect that portions of known recitations by Mohammed when he was alive were missing from this new compilation. Today there are still conflicting manuscripts of the Quran with textual variations: The text of the Quran in 37:103 reads "they had both submitted their wills (became Muslims)" while the Arabic text of the Tashkent MSS gives the exact opposite meaning, "they did not submitted their wills" (they did NOT become Muslims.) Can we be sure then that there aren’t several other missing portions that were not eventually included in this ‘Authorized’ version?

Mohammed was even initially uncertain about the ‘visions’ that became part of the ‘revelations’ documented in the Quran. He did not know what to make of them; whether divine or demonic. He admitted this to his wife. It was his wife, Kadija that encouraged him to believe they were from God. The implications of these can be very far reaching.


It was ONLY Mohammed that was credited with DIRECTLY receiving the ‘revelations’ from Allah and not any of these men who eventually wrote down from their MEMORY Mohammed’s recitation! So can we credit what these men wrote as “divinely” inspired?

The claim of the Quran being the direct words of Allah is also questionable as we find portion quoting angels talking. In Sura 19: 64 we read: "And we [angels] descend not except by the order of your Lord. To Him belongs that before us and that behind us and what is in between. And never is your Lord forgetful –
The ‘we’ must refer to a number of angels talking here. So we find more of the words of angels and men in the Quran than those credited to Allah.


All these shortcomings came about because in the course of compilation, the Quran suffered the defect of becoming a second-hand or third-hand information with the attendant result of such compilation – inaccuracies, misquotes and outright errors. So much for the claim of “divine origin” of the Quran.

That is the history of the Quran.[/s]



A sincere person should please read up this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2489382/where-did-mohammeds-stories-come This loser has been refuted but he keeps repeating the same thing so as to decieve the gullible!

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Re: Did Mohammed Write The Quran? by plainbibletruth: 7:02am On Sep 02, 2015
Demmzy15:

A sincere person should please read up this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2489382/where-did-mohammeds-stories-come This loser has been refuted but he keeps repeating the same thing so as to decieve the gullible!
It is clear who the loser is. 
It is clear who is unable to refute any facts presented. 
It is clear who wants to deceive the gullible. 

The truth stands, no matter what. Only those afraid that people will have their 'eyes' opened to the truth do all they can to suppress the truth. 

Can you honestly say there's anything wrong with any of the points I raised?

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Re: Did Mohammed Write The Quran? by basilico: 8:11am On Sep 02, 2015
[Narrated 'Aisha] "The verse of the stoning and of
suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they
were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed.
When the messenger of Allah expired and we were
preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate
away the paper."
Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. p. 269; Sunan Ibn
Majah, p. 626; Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith
(Cairo: Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) p. 310;
As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. p. 13





It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of
stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was
revealed, and the paper was with me under my
pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were
preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came
in and ate it.” (Hasan)
Ibn Majah 3:9:1944
Re: Did Mohammed Write The Quran? by proo212(m): 12:51pm On Sep 02, 2015
basilico:
[Narrated 'Aisha] "The verse of the stoning and of
suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they
were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed.
When the messenger of Allah expired and we were
preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate
away the paper."
Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. p. 269; Sunan Ibn
Majah, p. 626; Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith
(Cairo: Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) p. 310;
As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. p. 13



It was narrated that 'Aishah said: “The Verse of
stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was
revealed, and the paper was with me under my
pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were
preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came
in and ate it.” (Hasan)
Ibn Majah 3:9:1944

At least its not Da'if (weak) or Maudu (fabricated).
Re: Did Mohammed Write The Quran? by MightySparrow: 3:26pm On Sep 02, 2015
I believe the Quran is a divine fraud.
It is a book from a wrong source with the wrong message for making innocent people the wrong believers with wrong disposition preparing them for a wrong end.
Re: Did Mohammed Write The Quran? by plainbibletruth: 11:56pm On Sep 03, 2015
It is quite interesting  to note that although the 'angel' Gabriel is said to have brought the Quran verses to Mohammed, he (Mohammed) saw Gabriel only twice.

Meanwhile, the 'revelations' were supposed to have taken place numerous times over several years! So, aside from these two physical encounters who was doing the 'revealing'?

History shows us that several persons undoubtedly contributed to the composition of the Quran; it was not Mohammed alone who did!

The Quran is not the creation of a single entity or a single person. There were several parties involved in the composition, scribing, amending, inserting and deleting the verses of the Quran. 
Re: Did Mohammed Write The Quran? by basilico: 11:10am On Sep 12, 2015
plainbibletruth:
It is quite interesting  to note that although the 'angel' Gabriel is said to have brought the Quran verses to Mohammed, he (Mohammed) saw Gabriel only twice.

Meanwhile, the 'revelations' were supposed to have taken place numerous times over several years! So, aside from these two physical encounters who was doing the 'revealing'?

History shows us that several persons undoubtedly contributed to the composition of the Quran; it was not Mohammed alone who did!

The Quran is not the creation of a single entity or a single person. There were several parties involved in the composition, scribing, amending, inserting and deleting the verses of the Quran. 

I thought that one day Jibril appeared to Muhammad in his bedroom with Aisha. She did nor see jibril but Muhammad did.
dig up this one.. I'll also do

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