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Ignore them but always behave like Jesus. For Christ is Character.

Toks2008:
Talking about wearing of jewelries:

Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. (1 Peter 3:3-5)

As I quoted in the scripture above, there is no sin at all if you decorate yourself from head to toe with gold but the Bible made us understand that we should not just be concerned about this act but also make sure we enmesh ourselves with GODLY virtues so enjoy wearing your jewelries while keeping in mind the need to uphold GODLY virtues.

Toks2008:
THE ONLY WAY OUT

The truth is that most of us believers are guilty of one or more of these sinful acts and we all need the spirit of GOD to perfect our salvation as we strife towards making the heavenly kingdom.

In conclusion, this scriptural verses have said it all in plain English so anything that falls within this is considered sinful.

"When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures,idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division,envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
(Galatians 5:9-21)

With the help of the Holy spirit,our lives will be pleasing to Jehovah. We can not do it on our own.

I pray that GOD grants us the power to fight the battle of faith till we end up in heaven in Jesus name,AMEN!

Toks2008:
Wearing an attachment and covering of the head

The same scriptures for jewelry wearings also applies here

Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. (1 Peter 3:3-5)

As I quoted in the scripture above, there is no sin at all if you decorate yourself from head to toe with gold but the Bible made us understand that we should not just be concerned about this act but also make sure we enmesh ourselves with GODLY virtues so enjoy wearing your jewelries while keeping in mind the need to uphold GODLY virtues

I always marvel at the taught that wearing an attachment will take you to hell and I honestly have not found one verse in the scripture suggesting this so I don’t really need to waste time on this issue. You can beautify your hair anyway you like and that has got nothing to do with been saved or making heaven.


Concerning the covering of head in church or when praying, many churches are so myopic about this because the very passage in the bible they usually quote stated clearly that the long hair of a woman is a covering to her head and this simply means that if you are a lady with a low cut,it is expedient to cover your head but if you have long hairs i guess that itself is a covering to your head. Lets read this together.

13Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, 15but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God. 1 Corinthians 11:13-16

Bigloaf:
1 timothy 2 vs 9. check it out

parisbookaddict:


Here is one of the passages i had in mind.. u understanding here is wrong...

Paul writes, "But I want you to understand that the head of every man (that is Christian men and women) is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head" (1 Cor. 1:3-6).

Toks2008:
[size=13pt]7.Self servicing[/size]

Self servicing is a rather complex matter.

The Bible is totally silent about this matter but then I always ask; when you masturbate, what do you think about? This is where the complexity sets in.

I really don’t think a single man or woman wil be thinking about a football game or a tractor when self servicing but probably about someone who he or she is not really married to which makes it lusting which translates to sin..

Married people who self service thinking about their hubby or wives may really be practicing a sinless act but I believe it will be unwholesome to self service thinking about an illicit sexual act.

Nevertheless, this subject remains one with strong debate where some believe that as long as actual sexual intercourse is not involved, it is sinless and harmless but this is my take on the matter.

ByfireByfire:


Friend , willfully entertaining sexual lust outside marriage is sin. Maturbation is a sexual lust outside marriage.Its uncleanness Gal. 5:19.


Where is self respect, dignity and self integrity in such act. Even multitudes of the wicked and ungodly lived their entire lives till death without maturbation or any regard for such filth and today some misguided Christians are supporting this evil.

1thess.4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God

1pet2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness....

Gal.5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Toks2008:


I am glad for the embolden and that means entertaining masturbating within the confines of marriage is ok right?

I believe you termed uncleanliness to be masturbation right? ok i won't argue that with you but e both agree that self servicing was never mentioned as a clear sin except the adjourning circumstances as explained by what i wrote up there.

A lady who is married and her hubby is not around then she touyches herself sensuously thinking of her hubby in your own definition is a sin likewise a man that does that.

Sometimes we put ourselves more in bondage by our own reasoning because i still wonder why self servicing without porn inducement or illicit taught relate to uncleanliness because unclean acts are sinful acts.

In my opinion,iof the bible wants self servicing to be seen as sin we would have seen at least one verse that expresly addressed that but the silence of the Bible concerning it has given room for men to bring logic and philosophy to it and that is why the issue of self servicing will always be a complex issue to discuss.

Masturbation becomes a sin if you look at a lady lustfully while indulging in the act and it becomes lustful pleasure because when you watch pornographic films and magazines and you masturbate, you are lusting after the sexual figure you see just like lusting after the opposite sex.

But when you have a wet dream as adolescents do and wake up messed up or when you think about yourself just making out with an imaginary person you are not married to with no physical presence of the person or when you do it thinking about your spouse,is it a sin considering that all thee cases has to do with fluid emitted from the man or climaxing by the lady? This wil always be a subject of debate.

Toks2008:


Ok i believe you are not one of those who read Bible verses in isolation but will also combine other passages making reference to same topic..

Anyways here it is:

"I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes"

So lets see the passage reading verse 9 and 10 together

1 timothy 2 vs 9.

9.Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, 10but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.

Now to another passage in (1 Peter 3:3-5)

"Your adornment must not be merely external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God"

It is clear here that wearing of jewelries was never stated as a sin but women were advised not to make this a priority...

ByfireByfire:



Why do you so called new age Christians choose to allow satan to keep you folks adamant in sinful blindedness. Look at all the shameful analysis you make to justify something that even many ungodly men won't even think of.


Even common sense tells us some things that are unwholesome but common sense is not common.

Even when I was a hardnened sinner maturbation was so foreign to me and the very mention of it was abominable to me.


My own bible speaks clearly to me about such things as maturbation without calling it by that particular name. When the bible speaks against lust, uncleanness, inordinate behaviors, concupiscence, keeping my body which is the temple of God holy, integrity, dignity and such things I don't need anyone to tell me its addressing such dirty habits as maturbation and the rest.



You can go ahead and interprete your own Bible however suits you.


Why should a married couple engage in maturbation when the partner is absent. Isn't that unwholesome? Where is self control, temperance, honour, integrity, discipline in such act. Even animals don't go to such extremes. If you have an evil habit, deal with it and stop justifying it.


There is no other sexual activity sanctioned by God and supported by the scripture except that between a man and a woman and only in marriage. Anything outside this has nothing to do with God and is outright sin and ungodliness whether in marriage or outside marriage.


Show me from the scriptures where Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, the holy prophets, the holy apostles of Christ engaged in such an unclean habit as maturbation.


The same method you use to justify maturbation is the same gays use to justify their ungodly shameful act.


Why? Because you fellows do not understand God and how holy He is. What it means that God is holy. What it means that God requires us to be holy as He is.


I know you'll still argue but I won't engage you further.

Ishilove:

I don't know why people seem not to notice Paul was using the pronoun 'I'....

Toks2008:



It is one thing to argue and another to discuss issues for the benefit of others to learn.

NEWS FLASH...i gave my life to christ 27years ago when some people reading this were not yet born.

Im fully grounded in christ with the full baptism of the holy ghost so please put to rest your erroneous belief of the new age thing cos im as old fashioned as you can think of.

Talking about making analysis over masturbation i must state clearly that i have never whanked in my life and yes sometimes as human i fantacize been single but you must understand that this discussion is not about both of us but for others to learn..

Sexual feeling is as normal as the feeling of tiredness,sleep,defecating and urinating.

Lets stop leading people to hell by making life hard for them.Lets say it as it is...if your passion is high please get married as Paul adviced and because of the economy situation people cant marry as fast as they want but this does not stop hard on from happening or a lady from getting Hot.

Please lets not allow hypochrisy to be the order of the day.If you are single and feeling Hot try to control it but if you can please jerk it off and be at peace rather than fall into actual fornication.

I must only warn that addiction to all form of habbits is the problem here so be careful not to get carried away..and get married to avoid burning with pasion.

ByfireByfire:


Coming from someone "fully grounded in Christ with full baptism of the HOLY Ghost".


I'm totally ashamed of you. I can't even recommend you as saved let alone holy ghost baptised.


Imagine telling someone that is given to uncontrollable sexual lust to masturbate instead of asking the fellow to give him/herself to fasting and prayers or even to thorough deliverance prayers which have easily and steadily liberated countless millions in such satanic bandages till date. And yet you claim holy ghost baptism.


I have no claim to holy ghost baptism whatsoever yet I can easily tell what is inappropriate.


I put it to you that you have no Holy Ghost baptism whatsoever. Infact you can easily pass for a satanic agent undercover using subtle tactics to encourage unstable Christians in sinful habits.


The Holy Ghost is spotlessly, sinlessly "Holy" and cannot reside in unclean people that accept and encourage sinful habits that will even repulse the ungodly.

Toks2008:


You are begining to bore me.

Please forget my matter and educate people with vivid scriptural quotes and not by human phylosophy.

Thats my point.I hate hypochrisy and i know many people who do worse stuffs than even masturbating yet they front sainthood.

Just hear yourself advising someone having a natural urge to copulate to give himself to fasting and prayer ...why not start fasting and praying if you feel pressed to defecate?

Even paul adviced marriage just as i also did and for those who have the grace to subdue it can do that while those with high libido should find a way to ease of without ponographic inducement but you are here trying to form an alpha.

Im very practical and down to earth so show me from the bible where self servicing is mentioned as a sin and i will change my notion right now.

Just like addiction is bad,in like manner masturbating could be addictive...people must understand difference between bad habbit and sin so the best you can come up is to say from your perspective,masturbation is a bad habit but that does not make it a sinful habbit.

ByfireByfire:


Look at me very very well. I don't just bore people that pervert the gospel. I burn them thoroughly. You are clearly a pervert.


I just wanted to ignore you and pass by but you are beginning to show me your true color.


Tell me that this teaching of yours have to foundation from Christ embassy.


You talk of hypocrisy while subtly encouraging sin, Who is fooling who.



If what you are doing here is not hypocrisy I wonder what else is.


I have clearly showed you a way out of sinful maturbation for those that fear God and you openly rejected it with baseless excuses.


Yet you dare claim to be "fully Holy Ghost basptised" .


This type of your satanic gospel from hell may God by Himself forbid and banish it.


May those you mislead with your perverted gospel be required of you in this very time even before eternity.... except you fully repent.


I strongly suspect you.

Toks2008:


At least im happy that out of the 8 points its just one that you are attacking and that goes to show im a very bad agent of the devil and even this one point you cant defend from the bible but you have been screaming out from your logic and philosophy so i have nothing to discuss with you.

I know your type will come here and that was why i insisted on biblical quotes as a backing and that you have goofed so stop displaying your ignorrance please.


coming to advice people o fast and pray over sexual urge.

ByfireByfire:


If in your blinded blindfolded perverted delusion the Scriptural verses I presented earlier doesn't mean anything to you then you should be examined.


Of course I knew you would fully ignore them cos they do not support the uncleanness you so much prefer but clearly condemn them.


You were shown godly methods to deal with this menace and you threw it out.


I can almost agree that even if God were to come down from heaven to loose you from the demon of maturbation you'll easily tell him not to bother cos you'll prefer to keep it.


You clearly are not here to seek solution. You are here to seek means and methods to gratify sinful lusts while still answering a so called holy ghost filled Christian.


Maybe fellow perverts that can come forward to offer you maturbation styles and moves will be very much welcome.


Go ahead and revel in your perversion.


It is written Jn. 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.


He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.


When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

otodeluxe:
I'm not surprise - Endtime prophets the Bible already warn us about people like you in the book of revelation.

misreal:
mr op,you are misleading people..all the above mentioned activities will take you to hell. .you haven't seen any Scripture that kicks against wearing braided hair because u dont read your bible.

175:



Abeg no play reach where our "Claro" dey ooo. . .dem send you

Toks2008:
THE ONLY WAY OUT

The truth is that most of us believers are guilty of one or more of these sinful acts and we all need the spirit of GOD to perfect our salvation as we strife towards making the heavenly kingdom.

In conclusion, this scriptural verses have said it all in plain English so anything that falls within this is considered sinful.

"When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures,idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division,envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
(Galatians 5:9-21)

Op everything you put up there is heresy of heresies .God will hold you responsible for everyone you encourage into sin by God erroneous Teaching.Pls ignore this, if you don't want to regret latyer

With the help of the Holy spirit,our lives will be pleasing to Jehovah. We can not do it on our own.

I pray that GOD grants us the power to fight the battle of faith till we end up in heaven in Jesus name,AMEN!

misreal:
mr op,you are misleading people..all the above mentioned activities will take you to hell. .you haven't seen any Scripture that kicks against wearing braided hair because u dont read your bible.

Bigloaf:
1 timothy 2 vs 9. check it out