TheOnlyWiseMan:



At times I wonder what sort of humans these YO-ROBBER People are.
In one sentence you list out Igbos sins, At the same time insist they must live with you.

Isn't that madness?

Zeeblamj01:
Hello to u guys. Ive read all the insults as well as the plans of making Biafra a real thing...
First, I want to talk about Ojukwu. U have immortalized him in your hearts. Why? He ran away and left u all to die. In my opinion, thats not fair especially if he was a leader. A good leader takes off his crown and shoes to fight side by side and even die with his people. He didnt feel that what he believed in was enough to die for. Helpless women and children died for his ego. And ge ran away with his rich friends. If I am wrong , enlighten me.

Now on the civil war, ibos did die... ss, se, died as well. They paid the price for things that some of them knew not so much about...
If u want biafra, what are u doing about it? Is it only here on Nairaland? Cause I dont see u ibos tearing your Nigerian passports and coming back to Biafra. U are all enjoying the privileges of having a nigerian passport.
I believe in freedom and thats why, I do support that if a person does not want to be Nigerian, do not force him. I think the ibos should l be allowed to form their own country. If it fails, they could always lean on other west African countries. I pray it doesnt though. Lol. I will take a tourist visa to ur country Biafra one day.
Please guys, stop the fighting and let them strategize. I am a northerner ( adamawa,kaduna state) of Nigeria and I think the ibos should go since they are not happy to be with us ( cow smelling people) as they term us.
Peace!

carnegiefan:


Let me even take you on this lunatic lie of yours for a sec.
So, because you are scared that maybe Biafra will only be made up of Anambra and Imo states, you have the right to kill and muzzle people from that parts for seeking a UN guaranteed right to self determination; one that your president echoed just last week, at the UN, when he was defending the rights of the Palestinians to a state of their own on the UN Charter on the rights of indigenous peoples to self determination? Have you checked how DIFFICULT it is to create a Palestine out of current Israel, yet you and your president is afraid of allowing Biafra that comprises 9 states (yes NINE STATES, if you doubt it I dare you to conduct a referendum, why are you afraid?) similar right to self determination!
Your conspiracy deny us international airports and decent access to fair education opportunity, right to control our political and economic destiny. Yet you turn around to call us "bigots". Purest form of lunacy is when an armed robber accuses his victim of being "mean" for defending himself. That, my friend, is what you are doing.

TheOnlyWiseMan:


So your heartaches is because Nigeria military failed to capture and kill Ojukwu?
I can tell you that the fact that he survived war means his biafra dreams survived.

TheOnlyWiseMan:


So your heartaches is because Nigeria military failed to capture and kill Ojukwu?
I can tell you that the fact that he survived war means his biafra dreams survived.

Zeeblamj01:
Hello to u guys. Ive read all the insults as well as the plans of making Biafra a real thing...
First, I want to talk about Ojukwu. U have immortalized him in your hearts. Why? He ran away and left u all to die. In my opinion, thats not fair especially if he was a leader. A good leader takes off his crown and shoes to fight side by side and even die with his people. He didnt feel that what he believed in was enough to die for. Helpless women and children died for his ego. And ge ran away with his rich friends. If I am wrong , enlighten me.

Now on the civil war, ibos did die... ss, se, died as well. They paid the price for things that some of them knew not so much about...
If u want biafra, what are u doing about it? Is it only here on Nairaland? Cause I dont see u ibos tearing your Nigerian passports and coming back to Biafra. U are all enjoying the privileges of having a nigerian passport.
I believe in freedom and thats why, I do support that if a person does not want to be Nigerian, do not force him. I think the ibos should l be allowed to form their own country. If it fails, they could always lean on other west African countries. I pray it doesnt though. Lol. I will take a tourist visa to ur country Biafra one day.
Please guys, stop the fighting and let them strategize. I am a northerner ( adamawa,kaduna state) of Nigeria and I think the ibos should go since they are not happy to be with us ( cow smelling people) as they term us.
Peace!

abikubu:


The statement in bold is your own and not mine. How dare you put the Palestinian question into the same bigotry as ibos'? Palestine was a country until the creation of Israel and the subsequent wars, especially in 1967 which displaced millions of them. Their right to return to their country and end the Israeli occupation is the matter before the UN in the form of "Two-State solution to which overwhelming majority of UN member states ascribed to.

Before your schizophrenic wish for ibo's own country deteriorates your already intellectual feebleness further, there is no comparison between the Palestinian issue and biafra.

In your disorganised delusions you flippantly declared 'biafra has Nine States" without saying which states have signed up to join biafra or whether there is an official request pending before the Nigerian Parliament!

At this juncture, I must reiterate that leaders of old biafra had declared biafra dead or ceased to exist, yet people like you who have nothing better to do than mischief keep throwing up tribal bigotry around ibo issues as if you are the only tribe in Nigeria.

As stated, Nigeria did far better without the Ibos during the war and emerged relatively unscratched while the ibos saw hell on earth without Nigeria, just to stress the point of who is the armed robber and victim!

In short, your confused noise about building your biafra by displaying a collection of foreign pictures without exploring the wherewithal, the origins, architectural history, the wars fought, history and development of the nation state, philosophy and economy has taken your hallucinations to raving madness.

Lest you don't know, UN has no mandate to divide a sovereign country into tribal countries or even to interfere in internal domestic politics of member states as far as no one tribe is being persecuted. But then your bigotry won't let you see reason.

c33b33:
A post above says Palestine (Philistine) was a country before the creation of Israel. Good.

And Biafra was what before almagamation? You dummy without a sense of history. Go and get educated!

For your enlightenment. Palestine and Israel can trace their origin to something common which is Abraham.

Can you tell me what Biafrans have in common with you parasites? Just one common trait please.



The UN charter states clearly on self-determination of indigenous people and Biafra is exercising that but your shallow mind cannot comprehend that.

If Biafra is dead as you presume you won't be discussing it. Discuss the well being of the cage you occupy in the zoo.

Why don't you make your own noise on building your zoo?

Use the internet to bolster your intellect too and not for nairaland only. Monkey,shame on you for displaying your ignorance to the public.

IPOB Youth

c33b33:
A post above says Palestine (Philistine) was a country before the creation of Israel. Good.
And Biafra was what before almagamation? You dummy without a sense of history. Go and get educated!
For your enlightenment. Palestine and Israel can trace their origin to something common which is Abraham.
Can you tell me what Biafrans have in common with you parasites? Just one common trait please.
The UN charter states clearly on self-determination of indigenous people and Biafra is exercising that but your shallow mind cannot comprehend that.
If Biafra is dead as you presume you won't be discussing it. Discuss the well being of the cage you occupy in the zoo.
Why don't you make your own noise on building your zoo?
Use the internet to bolster your intellect too and not for nairaland only. Monkey,shame on you for displaying your ignorance to the public.
IPOB Youth

aishababa:


There was no biafra before and after amalgamation. Nnamdi Azikiwe, your founding father, was a willing partner in the Nigerian project and became president after independence. Is it because of the ojukwu debacle and perceived marginalization that you want to repudiate Nigeria?

It is evident you are hardly refined or sufficiently educated to any level if the grubby slime from your mouth is anything to go by! You are not only in dire need of sound education but moral discipline on conduct and comportment in public.

abikubu:


The statement in bold is your own and not mine. How dare you put the Palestinian question into the same bigotry as ibos'? Palestine was a country until the creation of Israel and the subsequent wars, especially in 1967 which displaced millions of them. Their right to return to their country and end the Israeli occupation is the matter before the UN in the form of "Two-State solution to which overwhelming majority of UN member states ascribed to.

Before your schizophrenic wish for ibo's own country deteriorates your already intellectual feebleness further, there is no comparison between the Palestinian issue and biafra.

In your disorganised delusions you flippantly declared 'biafra has Nine States" without saying which states have signed up to join biafra or whether there is an official request pending before the Nigerian Parliament!

At this juncture, I must reiterate that leaders of old biafra had declared biafra dead or ceased to exist, yet people like you who have nothing better to do than mischief keep throwing up tribal bigotry around ibo issues as if you are the only tribe in Nigeria.

As stated, Nigeria did far better without the Ibos during the war and emerged relatively unscratched while the ibos saw hell on earth without Nigeria, just to stress the point of who is the armed robber and victim!

In short, your confused noise about building your biafra by displaying a collection of foreign pictures without exploring the wherewithal, the origins, architectural history, the wars fought, history and development of the nation state, philosophy and economy has taken your hallucinations to raving madness.

Lest you don't know, UN has no mandate to divide a sovereign country into tribal countries or even to interfere in internal domestic politics of member states as far as no one tribe is being persecuted. But then your bigotry won't let you see reason.

aishababa:


There was no biafra before and after amalgamation. Nnamdi Azikiwe, your founding father, was a willing partner in the Nigerian project and became president after independence. Is it because of the ojukwu debacle and perceived marginalization that you want to repudiate Nigeria?

It is evident you are hardly refined or sufficiently educated to any level if the grubby slime from your mouth is anything to go by! You are not only in dire need of sound education but moral discipline on conduct and comportment in public.

c33b33:
I've read my mentions and they are not worth quoting.

Evidences abound that there was Biafra before Lugard came but it is so bad that people will die in ignorance. Do your self a favour by researching.
Please who are the signatories
to the almagamation edict?

Monkey!talking about discipline. Big-Big grammar is synonymous with the gutter press and their people with empty skulls.
. Does it mean the Oduduwas were not in existence before the europeans came? Too bad!

Nnamdi Azikiwe is dead and he can rot in hell for all I care. Those alive have a right to make their choice and we will not make the same silly mistake he made. I am glad he felt the betrayal of "one nigeria" before he died.

The other baboon that has nothing to counter but venom can you stay off my mention cos I won't dignify you with a mention.

Before I forget: Define Nation. Does your Nigeria fall into that definition? I ask again what do we have in common between us and you parasites?
Can you answer those questions?

Carnegiefan sorry once more for derailing this beautiful piece.

IPOB Youth

carnegiefan:


No problem bro. We have already made our case in this thread which is that Biafra will be totally different from (in fact OPPOSITE of) Nigeria.

All their bitter name callings and dubious arguments changes nothing.

They are DESPERATE to keep us with them in the failed state. Humans have limitless capacity for evil. They are too cowardly to seek their own self determination for themselves (or at least keep their unsolicited opinions about our own self determination efforts to themselves), but no, they prefer that somehow we stay with them and continue suffering with them.
It is what Igbo people call "ewu eri ma okuko atu" -the goat cannot eat, but will fight tooth and nail to deny the chicken access to the same food. Wickedess in its purest form.

So, we move ahead with our programs.
Now they can hopefully suck a very bitter lemon.

c33b33:


Lol. They can't answer simple questions that's the funny part.

One of my siblings always ask me this: "Have those children posted your facebook pictures on nairaland again" And the one asking this question is just 15 years old who can't fathom the fact that people can go to that length on the internet. But I am used to their antics I just wish they don't realize it and continue fooling themselves. In the end Biafra must come.

I wanted us to talk about waste disposal and the environment. Have you got an idea?

IPOB Youth

c33b33:
Hmm..on marriage. I think men are the problem and not women.

Can you explain more how our ancestral marriage practice used to be for those who may be less knowledgeable of it.

IPOB Youth

c33b33:
The same waste disposal system you suggested is been practiced in Igweocha but with a lot of flaws like dumping it on designated place openly by the road side and lack of supervision by the contractors to completely make the disposal area very neat after packing the dirts.

Recycling must be encouraged and citizens oriented on how to separate their waste. Citizens can even make little cash, the scavengers waiting at the dump site knows a lot about this.

IPOB Youth

carnegiefan:


That is where LOCAL government regulatory bodies come in to really kick a.s.s.
If I show you the municipal code of a city in the US, it is far more sophisticated than any legal document in Nigeria.
It is usually DETAILED and done by ALL environmental professionals down to all types of environmental development LAWYERS.
You can't scratch the ground without first checking the codes. And if you don't, a HEFTY fine and sometimes "taking" (a process whereby the government sieze and auctions off houses) happens!
I am very confident that we can do it in Biafra because we have teeming population of environmental professionals. Nothing of such can happen in Nigeria because a lot of the powers were ceded to the federal government and the state governments -bureaucracies FAR REMOVED from the problem.

c33b33:


You are totally right. I believe we can do it,we are naturally clean people. Now, during environmental sanitation in the city, people tend to comply better when there are taskforce moving about and the villages are clean,fresh and calm.

I also suggest a well defined residential area;living quarters, bars,clubs,church and the rest well. Enugu used to be like that but now we are having clubs and hotels between personal living quarters.

IPOB Youth

carnegiefan:


The problem is that somehow we have been made to believe that polygyny (marrying more than one wife) is wrong and a sin. Since we are Christians, I have gone through the Bible and actually studied the origins of "monogamy" and it has no biblical basis except where Paul was talking about leaders in the church marrying one wife only.
But back to our ancestors...
They had FREEDOM of marriage, by that I mean that they could choose to be monogamic, or polygynic. There was no law against marrying more than one wife, though I must say that Nigerian law does not outlaw it either except in cases of statutory marriage (court marriage) to more than one woman which constitutes bigamy. But Nigerian law cedes some power to traditional marriages by "customary courts". Under that law you can marry more than one wife. But like you said, the men are the problem (IMHO) because many of them think it is a sin to be polygynic.

One of the things Africans do that baffle me is that our people tend not to questions things logically and practically once it has been handed down by the colonialists. A simple thought process applied against such inherited problems usually produce profound results.
All we have to do is THINK.
Which is more dangerous?
A man marrying 3 women, or 30% of our women unmarried and roaming, waiting to be impregnated by invaders and vandals? Security beats all other considerations for me.

But I don't claim to know it all on this issue, all I know is that I would sleep better at night if all our women are accounted for.

c33b33:


Bitter choice. And potential babymamas must find who got them pregnant and a proper test done and the man must own up to his responsibilty by marrying her. Our ancestors practiced it but without a medical test.

Hmmm...Before I forgot. Paul never got married, I wonder why.

IPOB Youth

carnegiefan:


Exactly. Any man that impregnates a woman should marry her. To marry her of course, he must pay the bride price. In our tradition, a girl's fertility is "owned" by her father or the surviving male sibling until she is married, after which that fertility is transfered to the man who paid her bride price. Any child she conceives while not married automatically belonged to her father, while if married belonged to her husband. No paternity test crap. That way most vacuums are responsibly filled.

About Paul never marrying, he was a HIGH Christian leader, something similar to the Pope today, but even popes used to marry until fairly "recently". I hope you know this. Paul's position was that church leaders should not marry at all, but for fear of adultery, those who can't be celebate should marry one wife.

xyzhill:
cow smelling people? Nah. we dont mean it when we say so. Talking more on dat i hav a friend who is frm adamawa n another frm jos. We do nt hate u ppl only we seek our freedom.... Being taged nigerian out d shores is either u are assumed a fraudster or drug dealer or to sumerise it all ''CORRUPT''. we want a new identity, our identity and to live our biafran dream. Still am dazzed why d bunch and lots wants us to live in a poo hole which they have resolved never to leave? Ojukwu is dead but he did d nobel thing though it cost us many things, still he showed d world d pot filled with fresh minds indigenious, creative, resilent and resourceful ppl we are. And d best of all was that he revealed to us dis potentials....... So we would ever be greatful to God frm giving us,him.




P.S: is it true dat ppl frm jos and adamawa dont like d ppl of d core north?

Zeeblamj01:

Its possible that some people from these areas hate other northerners. But im both so I can really tell. Im from Yola, and zaria...

carnegiefan:


The problem is that somehow we have been made to believe that polygyny (marrying more than one wife) is wrong and a sin. Since we are Christians, I have gone through the Bible and actually studied the origins of "monogamy" and it has no biblical basis except where Paul was talking about leaders in the church marrying one wife only.
But back to our ancestors...
They had FREEDOM of marriage, by that I mean that they could choose to be monogamic, or polygynic. There was no law against marrying more than one wife, though I must say that Nigerian law does not outlaw it either except in cases of statutory marriage (court marriage) to more than one woman which constitutes bigamy. But Nigerian law cedes some power to traditional marriages by "customary courts". Under that law you can marry more than one wife. But like you said, the men are the problem (IMHO) because many of them think it is a sin to be polygynic.

One of the things Africans do that baffle me is that our people tend not to question things logically and practically once it has been handed down by the colonialists. A simple thought process applied against such inherited problems usually produce profound results.
All we have to do is THINK.
Which is more dangerous?
A man marrying 3 women, or 30% of our women unmarried and roaming, waiting to be impregnated by invaders and vandals? Security beats all other considerations for me.

But I don't claim to know it all on this issue, all I know is that I would sleep better at night if all our women are accounted for.

c33b33:


Lol. They can't answer simple questions that's the funny part.

One of my siblings always ask me this: "Have those children posted your facebook pictures on nairaland again" And the one asking this question is just 15 years old who can't fathom the fact that people can go to that length on the internet. But I am used to their antics I just wish they don't realize it and continue fooling themselves. In the end Biafra must come.

I wanted us to talk about waste disposal and the environment. Have you got an idea?

IPOB Youth