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| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by debosky(m): 4:08pm On Apr 25, 2009 |
dayokanu: Lack of contextual analysis is evident here. Everyone knows Villa virtually 'threw' the UEFA game to try to get into the CL spots. @ 4Play The reason why there is an overarching emphasis on the UCL is the near absolute focus of English teams on the UCL, often to the detriment of the UEFA Cup even while they are still participants. Other clubs in other leagues do not have such a focus and therefore would calmly accept to play in the UEFA Cup if they can't make the CL, whereas in England, it's nearly UCL or nothing. Again, this is another unique view point of EPL teams. Looking back on the UEFA Cup winners, how many of them are 'non top 4' in their respective leagues? If you are getting sides outside the 'top 4' region of their leagues winning the cup while their equivalents in England are not winning, then you might have an argument. But generally what you tend to have is UCL drop outs (essentially the top 4 members from other leagues) winning the UEFA cup. In essence, my argument is, if any of the EPL top 4 dropped out of the CL at the relevant stage and got into the UEFA cup, you would have more winners. |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by 4Play(m): 4:09pm On Apr 25, 2009 |
Schalke is murdering Bayern right now. Make una put Dayo on suicide watch.  |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by tkb417(m): 4:12pm On Apr 25, 2009 |
Schalke is murdering Bayern right now. Make una put Dayo on suicide watch. im praying here for the time to tick away. less than 10 mins more and to think he actaully wanted that team to play UTD, chei! na massacre the thing for be |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by biolabee(m): 5:28pm On Apr 25, 2009 |
very interesting points being put thru by everyone the issue is also a contentious one for uefa which is why they use a ranking method for each country based on both the laeagues with ucl having a higher coefficient than uefa cup and of course the wins,draws all have their points the fact is that in based on the last five years, Spain has the highest rating followed by England Italy France then Germany sauron u re pretty bright but that does not mean u dont respect contrary views though the format of the ucl has changed from the old league, winners of the ucl,european c are still referred to as Champions of Europe Your team is counted as having won the european championships 3 teams 1967,1999 and 2008 the thread has deviated from the object for which it was set up To know the best teams you have to set up parameters and assign weights to each finances, successes in leagues, europe, etc, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League UEFA Club Competitions Associations' Coefficient Ranking Ass. +/- 02/03 03/04 04/05 05/06 06/07 Total ESP = 15.500 14.312 12.437 15.642 19.000 76.891 ENG +1 10.666 11.250 15.571 14.428 16.625 68.540 ITA -1 15.928 8.875 14.000 15.357 11.928 66.088 FRA = 7.916 13.500 11.428 10.812 10.000 53.656 GER = 9.142 4.714 10.571 10.437 9.500 44.364 http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=64/newsid=584172.html |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by Krayola(m): 6:00pm On Apr 25, 2009 |
debosky: The facts do not support anything you are saying. First of all the Top 4 have been represented 8 times (6 years, but in 2 years there were 2 teams from the top 4) in the last decade. Only in 2001 did Liverpool win the cup. I find it hard to swallow that the trend would just change just because they have not been in the last few years. Also, the season Sevilla won the UEFA cup was their 1st season in the top 4, they were a mid table team previously and have just recently started making lots of noise. The season before they made it to the UEFA cup they were 10th in La Liga. They went on to win back to back UEFA cups. 1997-98-Arsenal knocked out in 1st qualifying round, Liverpool knocked out in 2nd round . 1999- Liverpool knocked out in 3rd round 2000- Arsenal runners up 2001-Liverpool win UEFA cup. 2002-2003- Chelsea knocked out in first round, Liverpool knocked out in quarter finals. 2003-2004- Liverpool knocked out in 3rd round 2nd i find your argument that EPL teams have no interest in winning the UEFA cup kinda absurd. The whole point of professional football is to compete. Fans support teams because they want to see them compete. Why do thousands of EPL fans travel to see their teams play away UEFA cup fixtures. Just to watch them "throw" games? I'm sorry but I don't buy that. What changed in 2001 that caused Liverpool to win it? There is no unique view of anything in the EPL, sports is about competition, thats why it matters, teams go out and fight for honours. Every competition, even friendlies is about teams going for the win, if it was anything but, none of us would be here debating so passionately about it. Now I agree that under certain conditions teams have to prioritize, for example when Arsenal, during Mourinho's reign saw that the title was out of reach, the settled for 4th place and focused all their resources (started resting players like Henry for EPL games) on reaching the CL finals, but that is just a response to a reality, and not because they considered the EPL title, or 2nd place less important than the CL. To be honest the arguments in defense of the EPL get weirder by the hour. |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by Krayola(m): 6:04pm On Apr 25, 2009 |
biolabee: Thank you Jare, God go bless you. Abi una wan dey argue with UEFA too? |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by dayokanu(m): 6:13pm On Apr 25, 2009 |
Looking back on the UEFA Cup winners, how many of them are 'non top 4' in their respective leagues? If you are getting sides outside the 'top 4' region of their leagues winning the cup while their equivalents in England are not winning, then you might have an argument. But generally what you tend to have is UCL drop outs (essentially the top 4 members from other leagues) winning the UEFA cup. 2008- Zenit (Did not drop out of CL) 2007 Sevilla ((Did not drop out of CL) 2006- Sevilla (Did not drop out of CL) 2005 - CSKA (I am not sure) 2004 - Valencia (Did not drop out of CL) Everyone knows Villa threw the game is a very watery excuse. Why dont you think Hamburg fielded a weakened squad. Villa threw the game to do what? |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by lailai2(m): 12:59am On Apr 27, 2009 |
u guys surely cant get enough of this argument i have agreed the power is in england now but it surely dosent last forever it could end this year GO BARCA |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by switch47(m): 7:30am On Apr 27, 2009 |
barca will beat chelsea!! |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by honeric01(m): 11:09am On Apr 27, 2009 |
Just tomorrow, things will shapen up a bit. Barca had a very big task playing Valencia. Thank God it ended in a draw, it would have affected the confidence of the team. All the same, Barca next 4 games are very crucial to the 2 trophies. Chelsea, madrid, Chelsea and who again self? |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by kokonets(m): 2:31pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
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| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by honeric01(m): 11:28pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
Oh yes, villareal, our beautiful football can't go rewarded the season. Tomorrow marks the beginning of the end to a celebrated of season. Barcelona deserves the ucl trophy, la liga trophy and copa del la rey's trophy. I hope other teams learn to play at least 30% of beautiful football just like Barca and arsenal. |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by honeric01(m): 11:29pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
Oh yes, villareal, our beautiful football can't go unrewarded the season. Tomorrow marks the beginning of the end to a celebrated of season. Barcelona deserves the ucl trophy, la liga trophy and copa del la rey's trophy. I hope other teams learn to play at least 30% of beautiful football just like Barca and arsenal. |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by switch47(m): 7:50am On Apr 28, 2009 |
BACELONA WILL MURDER CHELSEA IN COLD BLOOD TODAY!!---preventing another all -english finals
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| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by cloned666: 7:56am On Apr 28, 2009 |
Even as a hardcore MAN UTD fan i admit that la liga is better than the premiership, apart from the big four all other teams sit back and defend. At least in Spain all 20 teams play attractive football. If you put the bottom 10 premiership teams and the bottom 10 la liga teams in a league of their own the premiership teams have no chance in hell |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by switch360(f): 10:45am On Apr 28, 2009 |
THEIR HEAD TO HEAD FROM BEGINING OF RIVALRY TEAM P W D L GF GA GD Pts BARCELONA 8 3 2 3 15 14 +1 11 CHELSEAFC 8 3 2 3 14 15 -1 11 The only advantage chelsea has in this encounter is that they are very powerfull physically, which makes it difficult for most decent attack to penetrate without beiong roughly muscled off the ball, but a player like messi sure knows how to handle such a defence, but then if the defence concentrates too much on messi, HENRY , ETo and anyother player may just do the magic, I WILL GIVE TODAYS ENCOUNTER TO BARCELONA!! chelsea dont play they just win (says xavi) and not a few sport analysts share this opinion- the blues are good at winning games, but they dont make good viewing,the Blues have been able to record some impressive results so far but they do not play play in the same crowd pleasing way as the Blaugrana side do,chelsea employ an effective style of playing but not at all attractive,Nou camp will not be changing tactics just to ensure that they neutralise the non- pleasing playing stamford bridge side. I Give this encounter to BARCELONA |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by Mastiano(m): 4:08pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
absolutely no they can't |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by akinalabi(m): 6:25pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
@ dayokanu, You know my problem with you? You're not consisitent with your positions and principles. You bring up theories to suit your current arguments. On more than one occasion, you have made this statement.
I cant believe this same person is bringing up the UEFA Cup analysis. Can you imagine a scenerio where the German teams are dominating the UCL and the English teams are doing well in the UEFA cup? Would you have brought this UEFA cup theory? |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by debosky(m): 6:26pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
akina what odds are you offering on a Barca rout tonight? |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by akinalabi(m): 6:36pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
Barcelona to win at 8/11 Draw at 12/5 Chelsea to win at 9/2 Thats heavy money on Chelsea. Go back them |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by debosky(m): 6:39pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
Can I make a presumptive bet? I will need time to create an account and fund on nairabet. |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by tkb417(m): 6:51pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
@ dayokanu, billion dollar question! |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by switch47(m): 6:25am On Apr 29, 2009 |
[b]The only advantage chelsea had in the encounter is that they are very powerfull physically using ugly football, which makes it difficult for most decent attack to penetrate without been roughly muscled off the ball. ala Rugby/ witchcraft soccer chelsea dont play they just win (says xavi) and not a few sport analysts share this opinion- the blues are good at winning games, but they dont make good viewing,the Blues have been able to record some impressive results so far but they do not play play in the same crowd pleasing way as the Blaugrana side do,chelsea employ an effective style of playing but not at all attractive,Nou camp did not change tactics just to ensure that they neutralise the non- pleasing playing stamford bridge side. CHELSEA IS A DISGRACE TO ENGLISH FOOTBALL (play anywhere belle face pull and drag football)AND IF THEY TRY TO ATTACK AT STAMFORD TRUE CHAMPIONS PLAY TO WIN ------MUMU CHELSEA PLAYS NOT TO LOSE!! It is a two leged affair------BARCELONA IS CLEARLY A BETTER TEAM THAN CHELSEA AND THEY WILL BEAT CHELSEA RIGHT THERE AT STAMFORD |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by olokun(m): 9:22am On Apr 29, 2009 |
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| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by dayokanu(m): 2:06pm On Apr 29, 2009 |
I cant believe this same person is bringing up the UEFA Cup analysis. That would mean German league/clubs is not dominant and not the best. Ok if bayern beats Sporting 12-1 in Champions league and Braga beats Leverkusen 12-1 in UEFA cup which league is the best. Is it impossible for EPL clubs to dominate both competition? Spain did, Italy did, and German clubs did. NOTTHINGHAM, Aston Villa, Liverpool and Man Utd are better than ARSENAL cos the UCL is the only thing I am bothered about. This argument was in another context. When some people were reffering to Arsenals popularity as a basis to declare them a bigger clubs Winning trophies is what matters in football and since Arsenal doesnt win trophies but claim to play beautiful passing football. |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by yourmex: 10:45am On May 01, 2009 |
barcelona is the hottest club in the europe as at now so chealse is just a toothless barking dog as far as this year champion league is concern,take it or leave it with God in heaven barcelona is winning the trophy ok, up baca!!!!!!barca 4life!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by yourmex: 10:59am On May 01, 2009 |
cheale na mumu team wey just dey play rugby type of football to win but this time around is a different ball game which would have the best and good team winning,barcelona would not only beat them at stamford bridge but would disgrace them in front of there home fans,champions leauge cup is meant for only the champions like BARCELONA ok,, UP BARCA!!!!!!!!!BARCA 4LIFE!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by jalether(m): 11:04am On May 01, 2009 |
what are you all chatting, nigerian league is the strongest league in d world true talk, with d likes of j berger, eyimba who can match that |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by khanye(m): 11:47am On May 01, 2009 |
jalether: LMAO. . . . Up Enyimba FC  |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by switch47(m): 7:32pm On May 02, 2009 |
YES!! THEY WILL PREVENT CHELSKI FROM GETTING TO THE FINALS!!  |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by honeric01(m): 9:35pm On May 03, 2009 |
Chelsea, please come out and play |
| Re: Champions League: Can Barca Prevent Another All-English Final? by akinalabi(m): 10:00pm On May 03, 2009 |
honeric01: You want Chelsea to defend like Real did? No way. Hiddink is too wise to do that |
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