Freemanan:

Iconoclastic fellow.

Mindfulness:


Judging and speaking up for core Christian values are two different things.

Divinelivn:



But u will also agree with me that flipping through various comments n replies on this topic, majority have passed comments they clearly don't know their implications.... I also agree wt u tho but when speaking up, we should also put ourselves in check, else we err!!!

Mindfulness:


Absolutely!

Divinelivn:



Thank you jare!!!
As for me tho, I alwys apply caution when it cums to religious matters because there are too many issues that commenting on them with human reasoning will undoubtedly push one to the brink of Sinning!!!!

Divinelivn:



Thank you jare!!!
As for me tho, I alwys apply caution when it cums to religious matters because there are too many issues that commenting on them with human reasoning will undoubtedly push one to the brink of Sinning!!!!

oyadanoz:

u stand defend pop that is making noise. tell me howmany country does he visit in a week.
how do u expect someone to minister in diferent country there need for it. as for pop he is only trying to gain porpularity by critisising men of miracle.

ttmacoy:
I think TrajansKong was being sarcastic. A least I hope so.

adconline:

Greater sin is being immersed in ocean of abundance when your followers are immersed in poverty.. Why is this hard for us to practice? Jesus didn't live opulently and let his followers suffer!!

Mindfulness:


Sinning in terms of erring, yes!

As long as your erring doesn't cause suffering, it can help you learn. Errors are a natural part of every learning process.

Divinelivn:


I agree bro!!!

Divinelivn:



Hmmm!!! Word!!!!
Quite agreeable viewpoint. However dnt forget that som of these pastors hav their own businesses that have been blessed and some of the things they own are gifts or seeds meant only for them.
Also some of them have made so great investments in numerous lives that it would be unlike God to bless them and surround them with people that will abundantly bless them. When they were suffering and still investing in lives, nobody knew nor cared...
All I'm saying is that YES!! Some of our pastors deserve God's immediate rain of fire but some truly have worked so much that it will be impossible for God not to open the heavens on them for the rest of their lives... So we should be careful not to judge

jaytee01:
So these other preachers are busier than the pope, abi? What has been the fruit of their so called "travels"? Why don't we find them in poverty stricken countries where their attention is needed most?

An2elect2:
How did the pope's visit uphold Christ's teaching? *sigh* First, Who made him the head of the church and an example for Christians to follow? mtcheew

birdman:


I beg to disagree. The pope can request that plane anytime he wants. It is reserved for him. In essence, the state itself has bought a jet for the pope.

Now compare that with a pastor preaching a sermon in one city on saturday night, and another sermon in another time zone the next morning. Obviously driving is not feasible. Neither can you carry all your staff for 4-5 hour wait at the airport every weekend, assuming you can even find a flight when you want. Have you ever flown a 12 hour flight before? What evangelist is going to try a world missions trip lasting a 3 months flying every two to three days. Even Reinhard Bonnke, on moving to the US, needed a private jet. God so kind, he found a preacher that gave it to him for free!

Are there carnal christians and pastors that lust after jets because it is a status symbol? Yeah. But there are also carnal christians, like you, who think all there is to a plane is the status symbol. The plane is a tool. Its very effective for Ceos, vps , presidents because they can get from point a to point b quickly. . And it is a very effective tool for moving significant ministry resources from point a to point b at a moments notice
Go take that drink wey U̶̲̥̅̊ take bfre

Weah96:
Have you seen where the pope calls HOME? It's a sovereign state. LOL The sale of one of his paintings alone could convince Oyedepo to become his house boy. Or even Creflo Money, abi, Dollar.

Don't compare the pope's annual earnings with these multi millionaires please. That's disrespectful to the hard work put in by the Vatican over the centuries.

TrajansKong:
I SAY AGAIN!!

This is not the African Way.
The Pope is wrong. How can we respect him as a man of God if he travels amongst the common people? How can we glorify one who does not glorify himself? He is a messenger of God!! He should reflect God's power accordingly.We do not exalt those on our own level. A true pastor must SHOW he is above us in every way.

The Vatican has billions and BILLIONS in precious metals and stones but this pope does not display any of this for us to admire. If we cannot SEE and admire a man's power and wealth how can we follow him and give unto his glory?

This pope is a disgrace to Christianity. A man of God cannot be humble. He must be mighty as God is mighty.Fly your private jet, Papa Oyedepo! Wear your Rolex, Papa Adeboye. Wear your Armani suits Pastor Daniel! We cannot judge you as we judge ourselves. You are truly men of God. Our spiritual and earthly masters!

abiambo:
YES!!! The pastors mentioned in the post travel more than the pope... as for the fruit of their labor -- that's what you are killing yourself about...
They hold crusades the world over and hundreds of thousands come to christ via dis crusade nt to talk abt healing et al

birdman:


I beg to disagree. The pope can request that plane anytime he wants. It is reserved for him. In essence, the state itself has bought a jet for the pope.

Now compare that with a pastor preaching a sermon in one city on saturday night, and another sermon in another time zone the next morning. Obviously driving is not feasible. Neither can you carry all your staff for 4-5 hour wait at the airport every weekend, assuming you can even find a flight when you want. Have you ever flown a 12 hour flight before? What evangelist is going to try a world missions trip lasting a 3 months flying every two to three days. Even Reinhard Bonnke, on moving to the US, needed a private jet. God so kind, he found a preacher that gave it to him for free!

Are there carnal christians and pastors that lust after jets because it is a status symbol? Yeah. But there are also carnal christians, like you, who think all there is to a plane is the status symbol. The plane is a tool. Its very effective for Ceos, vps , presidents because they can get from point a to point b quickly. . And it is a very effective tool for moving significant ministry resources from point a to point b at a moments notice

btoks:
It's not mandatory that a pastor visits all countries in a week. running a private jet is extremely expensive, minimum of $1m dollars per annum. I'm sure a church can find more beneficial ways to use money.

BTW,the pope seeks no popularity. There's no need for it!!

hensben:
I should be grateful to those schools? How? Wealthy men in the society should be owning schools that they pay 950k as school fees not house of God. The best academicians are still not from this schools so what are we talking about. Only in Nigeria you will see a church the wife or son becoming G.O after the death of the pastor. That's business venture. No wonder everybody want to own a church even an unbeliever due to they are beginning to see the exotic life this big pastors live. During GEJ tenure na one of them take get his own private jet, His churches dey the whole world too? If you observe very well it's now a competition amongst big pastors in Nigeria to own a private jet.

refreshrate:


I'm not clear on how people's decisions to give to their churches become an issue for you.

Did the pastors work with government and embezzle funds?

Did they force anyone to give them money which they used to buy the private jets or build the schools?

Did they borrow money from you?

Or what exactly is your issue with them?

If you can't afford the fees then go to another school they have not asked or forced you to attend their schools either so leave them the fvck alone if you don't like their lifestyle.

if you have an issue with the fees being too high last I checked there as no clamp on you owning your own school or private jet for that matter

it's only in Nigeria pastor is succeeded by his wife or son, did you see him also point a gun at anyone's head and say you must come to my church?

why all this?

leave Jesus out of this for now. I'm sick and tired of people being baseless in their accusations of these pastors and I really can't see the sense in all your ranting.

I think the mediocre lifestyle suits you don't force others into it.

oh yeah and by the way I'm Muslim!

400billionman:


My dear, if you attend some of these big churches, at the end of the service uncountable times, people you dont know will run to you, " Brother please, i do not have transport money to go home, or i have not eaten today, one even said hunger is killing her family ". Now what is the function of the church they are attending every sunday when the pastor has and maintains 4 personal cars ?

I weep for the black man..

400billionman:


My dear, if you attend some of these big churches, at the end of the service uncountable times, people you dont know will run to you, " Brother please, i do not have transport money to go home, or i have not eaten today, one even said hunger is killing her family ". Now what is the function of the church they are attending every sunday when the pastor has and maintains 4 personal cars ?

I weep for the black man..

refreshrate:


Whilst you weep when the government people deprive you of your right by embezzlement of public funds yet you go and soloicit contracts from them. they tell you they're coming to your neighborhood and you give your younger ones flags to hold and stand by the road side waving at them please weep for yourself also.

Did you see the pastor forcing anyone to come to his church and give all their money as offering?

Is the situation any better in front of the mosque after jumat service on Fridays?

You can honestly say within yourself that the churches never helped anyone?

You complain about them having money yet you expect them to assist the poor. if they don't have the money please how are they expected to carry this out?

The lady who came to you, as a better person than the pastors what did you do?

hensben:
Typical Nigerians! Instead of been logical they speak irrational just to feel good.
I'm a Muslim my foot. I know your type.

refreshrate:


I don't owe you any explanation.

my type is not the issue here. attend to the points raised and stop trying to divert by thinking you know anything about me.

what is the logical thing in anything you've said please? because you hear people saying... you can't even compose English well sef, the statement is ..."being logical" not been logical.

Then also how do you describe "they speak irrational"? oga it's they speak irrationally.

Your issue has now been fully identified & it was just as I suspected.

keep fooling yourself with words above your thought level you hear?

No wonder...

refreshrate:


I don't owe you any explanation.

my type is not the issue here. attend to the points raised and stop trying to divert by thinking you know anything about me.

what is the logical thing in anything you've said please? because you hear people saying... you can't even compose English well sef, the statement is ..."being logical" not been logical.

Then also how do you describe "they speak irrational"? oga it's they speak irrationally.

Your issue has now been fully identified & it was just as I suspected.

keep fooling yourself with words above your thought level you hear?

No wonder...

TrajansKong:
I SAY AGAIN!!

This is not the African Way.
The Pope is wrong. How can we respect him as a man of God if he travels amongst the common people? How can we glorify one who does not glorify himself? He is a messenger of God!! He should reflect God's power accordingly.We do not exalt those on our own level. A true pastor must SHOW he is above us in every way.

The Vatican has billions and BILLIONS in precious metals and stones but this pope does not display any of this for us to admire. If we cannot SEE and admire a man's power and wealth how can we follow him and give unto his glory?

This pope is a disgrace to Christianity. A man of God cannot be humble. He must be mighty as God is mighty.Fly your private jet, Papa Oyedepo! Wear your Rolex, Papa Adeboye. Wear your Armani suits Pastor Daniel! We cannot judge you as we judge ourselves. You are truly men of God. Our spiritual and earthly masters!

chinoify:
poverty is a disease.... OP do you know that vatican has a bank?
do you know that Jesus had a treasurer
person wei no get money dey get bank??

ignorance.......